Sharks player ratings v Cheetahs

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Jun 2011 at 07:25
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The Sharks spluttered to victory over the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein after another error-strewn and mostly uninspiring display. Let’s assess the individual performances on the day.

1) John Smit. A quiet performance from the skipper who battled to assert himself at scrum time. Put in some big tackles, but did little with ball in hand. 5/10
2) Bismarck du Plessis. Was awful in the first half, with missed lineouts and undisciplined play the order of the day. Improved markedly in the second period, where his defence and breakdown work were vital. 7/10
3) Eugene van Staden. Gave Coenie Oosthuizen no end of trouble in the scrums, leading to a glut of scrum penalties for the Sharks. Had little impact otherwise. 6/10
4) Steven Sykes. Prominent on defence, but failed to assert himself as physically as we would have liked. 6/10
5) Gerhard Mostert. Didn’t have the required physical impact and is yet to show that he’s a better starting option at 5 than Hargreaves. 5/10
6) Keegan Daniel. A useful all-round performance, marred by a yellow card in the last 5 minutes. 7/10
7) Willem Alberts. Another patchy performance from a player who looks desperately in need of rest. This is not the same Alberts who was the Sharks best player every week earlier in the year. 5/10
8) Ryan Kankowski. The only Sharks forward to achieve any sort of forward momentum in the first half and a reliable source of good tail lineout ball. Good to see him back. 7/10

9) Charl Mcleod. Poor decision-making and sloppy execution throughout, with the yellow card capping off a nightmare day at the office. 3/10
10) Pat Lambie. Given the worst of platforms by the 9 players in front of him, Pat nonetheless looked composed in the first half and kept his side in the hunt with great goal-kicking. He started to assert himself in the second period, where his tactical kicking in particular stood out. 7/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. Some good defence and a cracking individual try went some way to atone for the characteristic low work rate. 6/10
12) Meyer Bosman. Dominant in the tackle and ever-present on attack, with his quick hands instrumental in both Sharks tries. Meyer’s best performance in a Sharks jersey to date. 7/10
13) Stefan Terblanche. Tackled like a man possessed, but still offers little on attack. 6/10
14) JP Pietersen. Had few opportunities to showcase his skills, but took his chance well when it came. Could also look for more work. 6/10
15) Louis Ludik. A solid, but unspectacular display at fullback. Louis looks in need of a break, having played virtually every game so far. 5/10

16) Beast Mtawarira. Played a strong part in the Sharks’ forward revival in the second half and defended like a man possessed. 7/10
17) Wiehahn Herbst. Not on long enough to be rated. I saw a few big hits though.
18) Alistair Hargreaves. Saved the Sharks some huge blushes by preventing Ashley Johnson from scoring. An encouraging performance 7/10
19) Jacques Botes. Had a huge impact at the breakdowns and on defence when he came on. 7/10
20) Fred Michalak. Unused.
21) Jacques-Louis Potgieter. Not on long enough to be rated.
22) Adi Jacobs. Turned the game for the Sharks with a superb line break to set up Pietersen’s try. 7/10


  • Statistically Lambies’s goal kicking was outstanding. Only 2% of the world professional goal kickers would have slotted the same kicks as he did. Sure he missed 1 but looking at the ones he got, only 2% could and would do the same. Not sure why the Cheetahs get Ebersohn to take long ones early up, as he misses them and it takes a while for the confidence to come back. Earlier in the season Viljoen would takes these and it worked well.

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.06.11 07:38:09 by RuckinGoodStats Reply
  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 1) : thanks for that insight! Must say, if Ebersohn’s radar had been functioning early on, we might have been in serious trouble.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.06.11 07:43:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Agree mostly.

    du Plessis 6/10 MAXIMUM, he can’t get such a high score for having played half a game of rugby.

    Lambie 8/10 a bit of an unsung hero on defence and an allround good game.

    Lwazi & JPP 7/10 both of them had great games.

    Bosman’s 7/10 is deserved but only if there is the odd player on 8/10. Giving him the highest score (shared with others) says he was one of our best and I don’t think he was.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.06.11 07:43:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Thumbs up for the defence in the last 10. That was showing some good character… 🙂

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.06.11 07:43:34 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : I disagree with you re Bosman. I think he WAS our best on the night.

    I’m not sure why our wings aren’t seeing more ball… is it their own lack of enterprise, or the game plan? Either way, it’s pretty sad how little they are asked to do, given how good they are.

    As for Lambie and Bismarck, I can go with you on both.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.06.11 07:48:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : I don’t agree 🙂 Bismarck had a woefull 1st half and a decent 2nd half. You gave him and Bosman the same score.

    If Bosman was our best player on the day then he should be OUR MOTM and I don’t think he was good enough to get MOTM.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.06.11 07:52:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Damn but Bosman played like a 100 times better than any other game so far this year. Hope he keeps it up and keeps improving.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.06.11 08:09:55 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : who was your MOTM? Mine was Bosman. Not to say he deserved an 8, though. Just thought he was better over 80 min than anyone else on the field. Not great, just better.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.06.11 08:10:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : I would have given it to Lambie, not flash or anything but awesome on defence and great use of the boot.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.06.11 08:14:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well done Sharks…….but damn when you say you want to win ugly you definitely mean it.

    Good result but disappointing play by the Sharks. I can’t see them getting past the first play-off games playing like this.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.06.11 08:22:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : You answered your own question. One of Bosman’s most important jobs is getting balls to the wings. Something, which isn’t happening nearly often enough.

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.06.11 08:40:23 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 11) : go look at both of the tries. See who scored them. Then check who made the scoring pass.

    A) the wings
    B) meyer bosman (both times)

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.06.11 08:45:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : Lambie was very good. Probably on par with, or maybe even slightly better than Bosman. But I don’t think there was a lot in it and in terms of how little everybody was expecting of Meyer, I felt his performance stood out more. It’s subjective, of course and you don’t have to agree 🙂

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.06.11 08:47:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Man of the match for the Sharks should be Marius Jonker!

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.06.11 08:49:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • If John Smit was so shit at scrum time why did the Sharks push the Cheetahs backwards? Why did the Sharks get so many penalties from the scrum? Did I watch a different game? Other than the first scrum where John slipped the bind, the Sharks dominated the scrums. His defence was solid with 7 tackles none missed. I think you got this one wrong. The person that stuffed the whole team up was Charl. He put everyone on the backfoot and made them all look bad. To give him 3 is an injustice to the other players as you are saying they were only twice as good, whereas a lot were miles ahead.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.06.11 08:50:48 by waje Reply

  • One thing that did come out of the game is Adi is an impact player and not a starting back. He is so much more effective when the players around him are tired. He is slow so needs the defence to be tired. But he has a good eye for gaps.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.06.11 08:56:18 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 15) : every scrum ended in a penatly, virtually…

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.06.11 08:57:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 15) :

    The Cheetah’s scrum isn’t exactly the strongest around especially since they also lost their first choice locks.

    The scrums weren’t too bad I admit but would you play the same front row against the Saders?

    Well done Meyer Bosman for shutting me up for this game at least. Now please play like that for the rest of the year.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.06.11 08:58:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : I agree Bismarck only started having an impact in the second half. I actually mentioned during the game that he wasn’t up to his usual form. After that he suddenly fired up and upped his work load.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.06.11 08:59:46 by waje Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) : I would agree, but having watched the other games this weekend, all the teams that started the season well are battling. Blues and Reds are not as sharp. So if you look at the top 6 teams only the Stormers are consistent, the others are bumping along.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.06.11 09:03:31 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 16) : Your observation after one starting game against the Bulls @ 12, Jacobs played consistently well the last 3 seasons @ 13…Slow ? You must be kidding, you might have the eye for a gap but you need pace and quick acceleration to utilise it before defence closes it up…

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.06.11 09:04:00 by Charlie Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) : That is not what you were saying on Friday. 😀 You were bitching about Smit and after a positive performance, you blame the Cheetahs front row. You are a hard man to please. 😆

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.06.11 09:05:35 by waje Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : 🙂 And Maybe that is why I DON’T want to give it to Bosman. If he has it in him to play like that then why can’t he play like that against other teams. 🙁

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.06.11 09:06:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : Why would the Sharks MOM try his best to let the opposition score in the last ten minutes, 2 yellow cards to the team you are supposed to favour tells me another story.

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.06.11 09:07:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 21) : It is my observation over his career. He has a great talent at spotting gaps, but he battles to execute when the defences are fresh. Maybe you have stats to prove otherwise, but my gut says he has created more opportunities as an impact player than he has a starting player.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.06.11 09:08:34 by waje Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : Damn I’m no good at my own game, I thought that comment was from Willem or Loosehead. 🙂

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.06.11 09:08:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 16) : OH NO YOU DIDN’T!!!!! They are going to lynch you 😉 😛

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.06.11 09:11:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) : fair comment, oubaas. Can’t fault your reasoning on that one!

    You must have got up verrry early this morning.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.06.11 09:11:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : To the Sharks…. Except the first one, where John was pinged for slipping his bind. John was only penalised that once, Coenie 3 times.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.06.11 09:11:50 by waje Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 27) : The truth hurts. 😆 😆 I loved that break Adi made, he stops to wait for players to take the ball because he used all his energy running the ten meters required to make the break. 😆

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.06.11 09:14:13 by waje Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 21) : I wont say Adi is slow – but I kinda agree with Waje – Adi makes one hell of a difference when he comes on in the later stages. he had one start this year and it did not go well – so I will give him a few moer chances on starting and then see if he changes my mind about being very effective as a replacement.

    I think Bosman did really well.

    Unlike most – I was not worried about this game – even when we were behind. It never felt like we were not in control – just being very very slapgat! And that is simply unacceptable. We dont need to win pretty, but fricken hell, we dont need to see if we can make it the ugliest ever game either.

    I thought Sykes had a nice step-up in his last two games. The combo of him and Mostert unfortunately did not do the trick. here I thought we were going to dominate the lineouts and true as shit the Cheetahs takes our very first line out!!

    Also thought Oupa did well on defense. Our wings are getting lazy too, but nice tries nevertheless. I just wish they would believe in themselves more (most backline players at the moment actually) they are away and then slag off to look for support – and nearly loses the opportunity. It has happened a couple of times this season – where we were away for sure try and then that person starts doing the Meerkat move and the moment and opportunity is gone..

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.06.11 09:15:24 by Ice Reply
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  • The shocking statistics were how many tackles the loose forwards missed. Four each. Lwazi was the worst defender with 6 missed. The best were Mostert and Smit, and they are the ones given a poor rating above. 😀

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.06.11 09:16:49 by waje Reply

  • Bosman was head and sholders better than he has been this season, thank goodness.
    Lambies a boy wonder and getting better by the week. Was an ugly win but a win regardless! I will take that!

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.06.11 09:17:37 by billy Reply

  • MOTM for the Sharks has to be Coenie Oosthuizen; he scrums like a girl, a particularly waifish, underfed, catwalk- model-scared-of- breaking-a-nail type of girl… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.06.11 09:18:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 31) : Surprisingly the Sharks had one of their best lineout stats of the season. So it shows Hargreaves isn’t needed, Mostert adds a lot more value.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.06.11 09:19:28 by waje Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : I’m ready for bed. 🙂

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.06.11 09:20:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Actually I will agree with Rob. Bosman upped his game. He made 24 tackles and missed 3. Stefan made 10 and missed 4.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.06.11 09:21:50 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 32) : I counted 27 missed tackles compared to the Cheetahs missing 8. Sharks missed on average 1 out of every 5 attempts. Sharks missed 7 inside their 22.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.06.11 09:22:07 by RuckinGoodStats Reply

  • Imagine how much better Pat will be with a good scrumhalf inside him. Fred Michalak has to start this week.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.06.11 09:23:02 by waje Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 31) : Ice, I’m cutting and pasting my comment from another thread. The second last paragraph relates to what you’re saying regarding confidence of backline players.

    Man, I’m totally in two minds about this game. On the positive side, we beat a team that not only has troubled us historically, but has also been playing some scintillating rugby, even knocking over the Crusaders recently. And we did it on their home patch.

    Also, we showed great character and tenaciousness to come back from a half where we not only trailed on the scoreboard, but were also comprehensively outplayed, and then had to hang on with only 13 players on the field. Lastly, we beat them even though we played some atrocious rugby, suggesting that if this team gets it sh*t together, it could be a force to be reckoned with.

    On the down side, there has not been much evidence to date this season that this team is likely to get it’s sh*t together any time soon. After all, it’s not like the negatives we witnessed were new, or came as a surprise to anyone.

    Once again, we struggled in the lineouts, and this against a team who could at best be described as competent in this facet. Similarly, we can’t exactly claim to have dominated the scrums, despite Coenie Oosthuizen being as proficient at scrummaging as, say, Zola Budd.

    There is still scant evidence of a defensive system, or backline coaching. Our selection policies continues to boggle the mind (if Charl McCloud kicks one more ball away I will personally stomp onto the field with a Hilti gun and nail his feet to the ground, and the less said about Adi’s continued ommission from the starting 15, the better; better for my blood pressure, that is).

    Aside from all of that though, the think that really worries me is the complete lack of synergy in the team. You would expect at this level, when players have been playing together for a significant period of time, that they would develop an intuitive understanding- and anticipation of what the players around them will do. Certainly, with the Cheetahs it seemed as if the ball carrier could fling the ball at will and still pick out a support player.

    So while I will celebrate this victory as a Sharks supporter, and while we may still make it into the play-offs, and while I will hope and pray for the best, I have some very grave reservations about our ability to win this competition.

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  • @waje (Comment 35) : I have not looked at any stats yet – certainly did not look like it though! I expected more from the two with regards to a bit of contesting etc…you know supposedly prey on the oppositions “weak” areas..

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.06.11 09:23:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : 100% Thank you Marius.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.06.11 09:24:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 38) : had 48 missed and 171 made. The question now is who is right and do Ruggastats share tackles missed between players? Although their ratio of tackles missed to made is similar to yours.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.06.11 09:26:03 by waje Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 31) : We go through this EVERY season. There are people calling for Adi to start and there are those saying he is in impact player.

    VERY rarely has he started and proved his “impact player group” wrong, but his “starting group” will continue calling for him to start. I have said this for more than one season now. Adi will have a much longer career than most because of being used sparingly. He should enjoy that fact rather than trying to change it.

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.06.11 09:26:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 30) :
    Adi has been taking gaps at pace and running around players for yonks, yet you think he lacks pace? I’d love to hear how you think he compensates for a that.

    Rob, Lambie and Bosman both played very well. Bosman was under greater pressure, but tackled very well and created plenty. In addition, Lambie was missing to an extent in the first half, when we had no structure being created at 9 and 10 – I reckon Bosman deserves the MOM.

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.06.11 09:26:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 38) : Do you actually work at ruckingoodstats or are you borrowing their name?

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.06.11 09:27:08 by waje Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) : No he has the gear ratio of a rally car, not a Indie Car. He accelerates well, but cannot maintain the speed. When defences are fresh they can defend better against players like Adi. Adi doesn’t have the stamina, he has afterburner.

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.06.11 09:29:49 by waje Reply

  • Minus 1 to everyone. Ulcers, heart attacks etc. :mrgreen:

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 40) : Hell yeah!

    And dont get me started on Charl….There was a moment of madness in there where Mcleod actually got the ball from the rucks and distributed without doing the Joost (copyright Culling Song), or chatting up the ref about what was supposedly going on and doing the lambada with his arms…all of a sudden we looked like we got some fire !! Hell – does NO ONE see this is the big problem??? he’s really trying to be the big diva but is making an asshole of himself.

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.06.11 09:30:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) : Actually very well said, Oubaas.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.06.11 09:33:37 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 34) : yes, even when john had his hand on the ground twice, coenie got pinged… 🙄 🙂

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.06.11 09:37:38 by Megatron Reply

  • naka drotske on saturday’s match:

    “I was unhappy with three or four off-the-ball incidents. For example, Ashley Johnson was blatantly nailed with the shoulder and without arms after passing the ball. He was floored on two or three occasions,” said Drotské.

    “It’s unacceptable that three match officials cannot spot it. Two weeks ago Rayno Benjamin was suspended for an alleged headbutt of which there was no footage. And against the Sharks there were three or four off-the-ball incidents that none of the officials spotted.”

    Drotské also believes that television match official Johann Meuwesen should perhaps have played a greater role in the game.

    “We were over the goalline a few times and the TMO should have been consulted once or twice. Adriaan Strauss, in particular, feels that he scored and that is the difference between winning and losing.”

    Jonker had apparently already blown his whistle before Strauss could place the ball.

    “Another turning point was when we were on the attack and Stefan Terblanche stood next to the ruck and knocked the ball down. There were four of our players against two defenders and it would have been a definite try, but we were still awarded a scrum. It does not make sense because it was definitely a yellow-card offence,” said Drotské.

    “We did not have luck on our side and perhaps two or three decisions also went against us.”

    Drotské is not concerned about the possible citing of players that were guilty of foul play.

    “What do you achieve with citings? You can’t change the result. One expects match officials to spot the incidents in the games themselves,” he said.

    “The Sharks have a good chance of still making the play-offs, but I believe we may have won the game had the incidents been spotted. But it’s one of those things and we’re moving on.”

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.06.11 09:41:14 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 51) : Hey your Queens lost I see, It wasn’t Mark Lawrences fault was it? 😉

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.06.11 09:41:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : We dont actually give a ***what Naka says… 🙄 😈 Post it on LifeLine’s site…perhaps they care…

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.06.11 09:44:40 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 51) :
    Wheres your match report of the Kings game?

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) : nope, solly was giving the whole squad a run, hence the numerous changes and different combo mixes 😀

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.06.11 09:48:52 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : Yeah it certainly sounds like he is moving on.

    If there was no footage of Benjamin’s headbutt then how did he get suspended if the Waratah got off scott free? I believe there was footage Naka.

    Oh and just out of interest sake I would like to see the post match interview from Dutchske after the beat us when Pro Legoete took over because Kaplan had to run. Did he bitch about the fact that His team were on a final warning well before half time for early engagement at the scrums and that not so Pro just let them carry on with it in the 2nd half.

    I would tell Drotske what he should rather stick to or who he should rather stick it to but that isn’t rugby related so I won’t

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.06.11 09:49:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 54) : good morning to you too 😀

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.06.11 09:49:56 by Megatron Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 55) : i didn’t know i was supposed to pen one…

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.06.11 09:50:31 by Megatron Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 54) : From my response you might come to the conclusion that I cared. 😀

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.06.11 09:51:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 58) : Ola Mega. 😆

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.06.11 09:51:22 by Ice Reply
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  • I feel thats a bit harsh ; Mcleod-3 unfair ,6 imo. For me our worst players Al hargreeves and Kanko. Alberts was pathetic, he looked like a giant ball of fury late tackling people haha ,definately needs a rest. Our backline was great and this was probably Bosmans best game this year .ST also played well .

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.06.11 09:51:54 by Talent Reply
  • @Megatron (Comment 59) : now you do. 🙂 And you can’t just say “It was boring and we lost, Luke didn’t vomit on anything” 😉

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.06.11 09:52:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 57) : tell me one thing, when kurtley beale deliberately knocked a pass from stefan intended for kanko, did he get a yellow card?

    i know keith brown didn’t award a try, do you remember if any of sharks management complained about it afterwards?

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.06.11 09:57:37 by Megatron Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 62) : McLeod was at most a 1,5…he’s the weak link at the month – and not actually the poasition we can get away with a weak link..

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.06.11 10:00:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 43) : Yeah they do. They get theirs off verusco who do it off the tape. I do mine live. Verusco take 40 hours to do a game and 8 guys take 10 minutes of the game each and code. They also have 3-4 camera angles to look at things as well. Not sure what RuggaStats pays for it, but I know what NZRU pay and it’s not cheap.

  • Comment 66, posted at 06.06.11 10:03:21 by RuckinGoodStats Reply

  • @waje (Comment 46) : I actually am Rucking Good Stats. We are not a company, just a name, some guys having some fun at the moment.

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  • @Megatron (Comment 59) Indulge us.

  • Comment 68, posted at 06.06.11 10:08:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 67) :
    Good on you then: it takes a lot of time and effort to do this as just a bunch of rugby fans rather than as a corporate doing it for gain.

    Big up yo’self!

  • Comment 69, posted at 06.06.11 10:24:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Imagine if he did that more often. 😉

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.06.11 10:25:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • MOTM should be Keegs – tough about the yellow. We all know why he got the yellow – rabid defense, sorely needed at the time.

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.06.11 10:26:38 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 69) : Cheers. We ran into Richard on twitter and he wanted to use our stuff for SharksWorld. Was a good fit we thought. Sharks fans are tough. smart, have super memories and are uncompromising with the numbers, so if we can make it here…

    Seriously we do supply our stuff for some people, some media and a couple of pro gamblers, we do live radio stats as well for the local club scene. It might turn it into something, but not yet.

  • Comment 72, posted at 06.06.11 10:31:24 by RuckinGoodStats Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 65) : I dont think he was that bad to be honest ,I think one or two people have singled him out and the rest have jumped on the bandwagon. Just as people single out john smit for his scrumming and dont recognise that at the sharks he scrums with a light weight backrow(exception of alberts),compounding that factor he has bismarc whos basics are on a steady downward spiral and van staden who is not a great scrumager .RE; Mcleod I fealt he was industrious and truth be told that yellow card was a profesional fowl in the last 10 minutes which kept the cheetahs just out of a score away. If you think about it ,had he not stopped that and a try was scrored (becuase we had few defenders back) the cheetahs then had 10 minutes to score again ,whereas they didnt get the try .Blah hope that all made sense haha

  • Comment 73, posted at 06.06.11 10:31:31 by Talent Reply
  • I agree and disagree. I made Bosman my MOTM, he was excellent in defence and showed some quick hands in attack. Definitely his best game for the Sharks. Pat Lambie’s goalkicking was fantastic and probably won us the game in the end, a lot of his kicks were tricky ones from the touchline.

    Also got to praise Hargreaves for that try saver on Ashley Johnson. He certainly put his body on the line for that one and it was crucial for the Sharks.

  • Comment 74, posted at 06.06.11 10:36:20 by Villie Reply
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  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 66) : @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 67) : Good stuff. Look I am not trying to downgrade the work you do. I was just worried with the difference between stats. Stats aren’t stats if there is a large error rate to take into account. It is great that you take the time to look at the game and take the time to post here. I love looking at the stats as they clear the cloud of emotion that builds while watching the game. According to your stats what is your take on the game?

  • Comment 75, posted at 06.06.11 10:39:52 by waje Reply

  • Didn’t take as anything but asking a good question. 😀

    Agree the question should be asked where there is a difference, but then it comes down to the definitions. Classic example is the throw not straight at the lineout. Has the defending team won the lineout or just lost possession as the lineout isn’t completed so the game hasn’t restarted.

    The Super 15 refs hate that they get penalty awarded under advantage counted in their numbers, but they argue that a defending team gives up a penalty under advantage, the ref knows unless the attacking team scores the defending team will infringe again as they have nothing to lose as they are all under penalty advantage. So the verusco numbers include pens under advantage…

    So my take on it on the website and I’ve posted it below. I try and be neutral on a game focusing the the critcal points via stats. That way when i put something out there in a forum or on twitter its there to help the debate.

    “The Cheetahs spent 20% of the entire game inside the Sharks 22, compared withe the 5% the Sharks spent inside the Cheetahs 22.”
    “Counter rucking was a factor in the game. The Sharks lost 5 rucks and the Cheetahs 8 due to this. Crucially the Sharks won two of these counter ruck inside their 22.”

  • Comment 76, posted at 06.06.11 10:54:52 by RuckinGoodStats Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : why not get ur buddy Naka to post about the things the Cheetahs got away with??


  • Comment 77, posted at 06.06.11 11:54:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • there were many incidents that changed the match

    many dont realise it was a ball steal on the left hand side of the field by Mvovo that led to adi’s linebreak ,thats besides the fantastic quick hand passing inbetween

    The penalty against Bissy should not have been 3 points to the Cheetahs but a penalty to the sharks as before Bissy even played the ball, AJ from an offside position just flopped onto strauss and stopped the ball from coming out

    AJ although he had a fantastic match also spent 75% of the time from an offside postition
    cheetah players not staying on their feet at the rucks , infact when Mcleod got YC there was a cheetah player flying off his feet onto of the ruck

    Oosthuizen again show he is a weak scrummager and reminds me of CJ , woth weak in that department , but very good in the loose play

    And as for MOM i went for Lambie, my resons are his total play, yes he missed a kick , but noone put on bigger tackles then him , Cheetah forwards ran his channel all match long , Kid never missed a tackle and stopped many a movement

    He distributed beatifully , but a 10 can only do so much and this is where i agree with KSA, yes Bosman and Stef played far better and i am actually not even pointing fingers at the 2 centers here as its a team and coaching thing

    On defence our 2 centers did very well, but we have no players running into gaps off the flyhalf or making good running lines for breaks etc, our centers are just not good with attacking play

    I agree with you Rob that bosman made great passes for the 2 tries , but he was not the creater , last try was like i pointed out at the start of this post

    Also its clear the game play had us kicking a lot with lambie did brilliantly , but the Cheetahs attack from all over and it showed , now their centers run into gaps etc off their flyhalf

    For me its a lack of pace and vision in our backline


  • Comment 78, posted at 06.06.11 12:07:39 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 62) : you didn’t watch the same game as me if you think charl sould get 6/10 Gee he is playing very poorly…. He is the nr 1 reason our wings not getting good balls.. 🙁

  • Comment 79, posted at 06.06.11 12:26:23 by franshark Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 79) : 2 off 3 rating he got was for being ontime and dressed correctly

  • Comment 80, posted at 06.06.11 12:30:30 by franshark Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 79) : to me Mcleod has lost it somewhat

    His option taking is very poor this year and his kicking even worse, both those phacets were very good for him last year

    His passing has also become poor

  • Comment 81, posted at 06.06.11 12:30:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 21) : i agree Adi you were great it makes me want to start you on the bench and come on in 2nd half slow i don’t think so but a lot of more try mwill be great for us because we are going to need all the poins and team work to win the last 2 games to get into the play offs :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 06.06.11 12:54:30 by chaz Reply

  • Mc loed i don’t know its his 1st SR game and i think he can still do great wonders but sat game really where was he not at the game he was lost on the field

  • Comment 83, posted at 06.06.11 12:55:56 by chaz Reply

  • @franshark (Comment 80) : 😆

  • Comment 84, posted at 06.06.11 13:08:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 82) : 😉

  • Comment 85, posted at 06.06.11 13:27:27 by Charlie Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 82) : did you lose the full stop button on your keyboard? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 06.06.11 13:34:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • lambie tackles 20 made , missed 2
    Bosman 27 tackles, 3 missed
    bismark 10 tackles , missed 0
    Sykes 16 tackles , 1 missed
    stefan 12 tackles , 4 missed
    smit 10 tackles , 2 missed
    daniel 14 takles , 4 missed
    Alberts 18 tackles , 5 missed

    those the best of the defence

    here is a sad stat

    kanko 6 tackles 4 missed???? kanko needs to better that stat

  • Comment 87, posted at 06.06.11 14:46:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Botes should start.

  • Comment 88, posted at 06.06.11 14:46:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • sorry mostert 12 tackles 0 missed

    2 locks were great in defence

  • Comment 89, posted at 06.06.11 14:48:28 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • McLeod needs a break, to bad Hofman had to het injured.

  • Comment 90, posted at 06.06.11 14:48:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • We need a pienaar @no.9 or a Sarel(cheetahs)Mcleod looks like a chiken without ahead.

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.06.11 15:52:09 by osbal Reply

  • @osbal (Comment 91) : 🙂

  • Comment 92, posted at 06.06.11 15:54:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • well at least the Sharkies got home to the Feestate to visit their families

  • Comment 93, posted at 06.06.11 17:16:32 by Roger Boulle Reply

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  • @Roger Boulle (Comment 93) : hahahahahaha ahahahahahaha hahahaha ahahahaha ahahhaha, that old joke again 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Comment 94, posted at 06.06.11 17:27:34 by franshark Reply
  • @Letgo (Comment 90) : mcleod needs one and then hoffman got one 😉

  • Comment 95, posted at 06.06.11 17:30:21 by franshark Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 94) : the old ones are the best ones 🙂

  • Comment 96, posted at 06.06.11 17:31:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : lekke man 🙂

  • Comment 97, posted at 06.06.11 17:52:53 by franshark Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 57) : Good point.

  • Comment 98, posted at 06.06.11 19:00:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I’m not sure about Freddie at scrumhalf, how’s Cronje? Will he struggle at this level? I know he has a good pass and I also know that his tackling isn’t the best.

  • Comment 99, posted at 06.06.11 19:04:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @RuckinGoodStats (Comment 76) :

    Thanx for the insight RGS..

    Maybe we need to work on an explanation article about your stats and what the differences are..

  • Comment 100, posted at 06.06.11 19:52:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : oops i must of and the spelling went on holiday after i read that comment again 😆

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.06.11 06:08:32 by chaz Reply

  • Well i must go got a caravn to pick up in harismith by 11 today so enjoy SW :mrgreen:

    Black and White is all that MATTERS :mrgreen:

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.06.11 06:10:12 by chaz Reply

  • It’s good to see 3 south african sides contending for the play-offs in the S15.What do you guys think the outcome will be?
    I personally like the Stomers chances and been a Shark supporter i would like to see them go all the way.

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.06.11 10:26:37 by Roger Boulle Reply

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  • @Roger Boulle (Comment 103) : Hi and welcome!

    Onbviously i would like our Sharks to grind this one out to the end, but just in case we dont – I’d love to see the Stormers / Reds / Crusaders fight it out.

    Reds holds something special as they have turned into a remarkable team in a few years, from being way down theeeerrrrreee! And Crusaders is and has always been a class outfit – so all in all – it just needs to be good rugby and deserving finalists! 😀

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.06.11 10:34:11 by Ice Reply
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  • Thanks,

    I agree the Reds have grown into a power side over the last two years. It’s a young side that have a great pairing at 9 and 10. They can only improve going forward. If the 2 of them play well them they beat any team on the day.
    I would love to see Lambie at 10 , De Villiers and Fourie at 12 and 13 in the green and gold. He can only learn from the 2 best centre pairings in world rugby. and if you bring in Frans at 15 then our boys will go places. I guess i’m a bit in favour of the Sharks players.

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.06.11 11:05:08 by Roger Boulle Reply

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  • @Roger Boulle (Comment 105) : Aren’t we all! 😉

  • Comment 106, posted at 07.06.11 11:08:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Roger Boulle (Comment 105) : some off us are a bid more than just favour the sharks, we more like demand 🙂 oh ja, and welcome, stick around it gets lekke here(most off the time)

  • Comment 107, posted at 07.06.11 12:07:17 by franshark Reply
  • Great , will do.

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