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Alberts in doubt for Coke Tin clash


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 7 Jun 2011 at 17:35
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Big Sharks loose forward Willem Alberts is apparently at risk of missing Saturday’s Super Rugby derby against the MTN Lions in Johannesburg, after picking up a shoulder injury against the Cheetahs last week.

Alberts, along with prop Jannie du Plessis, who looks like he may make a faster-than-expected recovery from a knee injury picked up a few weeks ago, will be assessed later in the week ahead of the team announcement on Thursday.

With Jean Deysel still suspended, the loss of Alberts would be a big blow indeed, with John Plumtree needing to make a call on including Marcell Coetzee, who may also still be injured, or perhaps pressing one of his locks into service as a makeshift blind side flank.


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  • Just shift Craig Burden there, isn’t most of his Super Rugby experience at flank?

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.06.11 17:39:28 by molly Reply
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  • Seriously though, he’ll be a big loss.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.06.11 17:44:46 by molly Reply
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  • Don’t risk him. Sharks must just make sure he is ready for Bulls and Knockouts. Maybe this forced rest is a blessing in disguise. We will beat Lions with or without him. But in my opinion he has not been managed too well; he has played many extra minutes in games that were already rapped up. Has Bresler ever played 7? Maybe he could do okay there.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.06.11 17:47:49 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 3) : Totally agree JJR, Atrue blessing in disguise

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.06.11 17:55:28 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • Sykes used to play flank but I wouldnt play him ,perhaps the perfect opp to blood a new lighty.

    Adonga has looked good at times but personally to me he looks to be a bit of a spies, all the athlete none the warrior.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.06.11 18:33:20 by Talent Reply
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  • Did Big Vic injure his shoulder when shoulder charging Ashley off the ball? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.06.11 19:32:51 by Ben Reply
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  • Hey Rob. What happened to those sound bits you used to do? Ever thought of doing it on youtube?

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.06.11 19:34:17 by Mocho Reply

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  • Adonga!!! Sykes and Mostert are locks, play them on the flank on Minnie and Strauss will hurt us.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.06.11 19:47:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 8) : and Minnie and Strauss will hurt us.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.06.11 19:49:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Mocho (Comment 7) : Have you SEEN what Rob looks like? πŸ˜›

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.06.11 20:10:38 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 10) : haha what are you trying to imply?

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.06.11 20:19:09 by Mocho Reply

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  • How’s this guys. I was interested to know why Habana’s form has dropped so low. On twiiter I asked Dr Sherylle Calder when last he had an eye gym session. She said 2009. . . After 2009 his fell faster than a Spies being falling from a tackle.

    Chilliboy started the eye gym recently and suddenly people are saying the his form is one of the reasons the Bulls are on a Bull run so to speak.

    Rob Eberson also started recently and has been in outstanding form with his clinical runs.

    Ludik has been one of the best players under the high ball. On eye gym as well.

    Why doesn’t the Sharks hire her? We do seem to be having a problem with our handling.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.06.11 20:29:52 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 12) : Im not sure its only that …

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.06.11 20:42:35 by Talent Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 12) : *His form fell faster.

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.06.11 20:46:50 by Mocho Reply

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  • Injury to Alberts could be a blessing in disguise. This might force a change in strategy and if we happen to lose then we dont deserve to win anyways.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.06.11 20:48:40 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 6) : i sure hope it was, bloody plonker!

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.06.11 21:12:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • What bout skeate?

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.06.11 21:17:06 by duality Reply

     
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 10) : haha maybe Rob can do a video like Keo. Jeez it was the funniest crap I have ever seen.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.06.11 21:18:26 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 12) : hand & eye co-ordination won’t solve habana’s slump. Have you properly looked at habana run? He goes off balance while running on his own!

    Just in the last game he had a one on one with the opposite wing along the touchline, what did he do? He kicked the ball, it went into touch, the oppositiong player turned around and blocked him and he fell, then he threw his hands in the air in that, ‘oh damn that was close to workin’ kind of way.

    I bet you bjorn basson, francois hougaard, israel dagg, jpp pietersen, hosea gear would’ve sidestepped the sh*t out that defender! Mvovo would’ve probabl did what he did to Wacko Jaco last year and BOUNCED the player.

    Habs is a straightline runner, in a one wa foot race he will beat you, introduce obstacles, where he has to use his ingenuity, he doesn’t have it, it’s not in his dna.

    Sheryl will equip him to anticipate intercepts better and gauge where his opponents are BUT she won’t teach him flair that a play has innately!

    Have you ever seen a habana try like the one jdj scored against the tahs in the semi last year where he blitzed kurtley beale with a double step? *still gives me goosebumps*

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.06.11 21:30:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • That’s a good comment Megatron. Now that I think of it I haven’t seen Habs step the way the likes of Aplon, Mvovo or JPP do.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.06.11 22:05:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : Interesting comment Megatron. A friend of mine (happens to be Bull’s supporter) said exactly the same thing. And this was in Habana’s prime while still playing for the Bulls. He exact words were “Habana is an excellent straight-line finisher”. Sure Habana mixed it up now and then but that was/is his main strength. I tend to trust this guy’s opinion (despite his rugby affiliations).

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.06.11 22:06:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : Great comment. Habana is a finisher, just like Basson . When Habana was in his peak he dud use the step. Remember the match against Samoa in the RWC ? He stepped like 2 or 3 players. The thing that strikes me with Habana is that he puts himself in good positions but fails to execute. Balance in running has a lot to do with your eyes, according to Calder, as she has surfers on her course as well.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.06.11 22:39:31 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 22) :
    Nah dude, Megatron is right with this – Habana has NEVER had a decent step. I recall the try you speak of, and it was a once-off, and he slipped under as much as stepped around tackles.

    Habana has pace and strength, but he doesn’t have agility or ability to step off either foot. In the past his pace and the element of surprise compensated for that, but now teams know what danger he poses and how to minimise it.

    By contrast, Aplon and JPP step equally well of either foot, and often beat defenders on that alone.

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.06.11 23:26:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : I KNEW the mere mention of Adonga’s name would be enough to get you here πŸ™‚

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.06.11 23:29:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :
    Haha!

    No man: I think he is best managed by being allowed to hone his skills at VC level. Would be nice if he could get some 7’s rugby soon too.

    His time will come.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.06.11 23:32:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : with both Deysel and Alberts out, though, we’ve got a gaping hole at 7…

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.06.11 23:41:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Keegs. Hoff.. Botes.. Loosies.. Quickest trio in the super XV.. They will be prominent at ruck time..physicality could be a problem.. But I reckon they will be able to handle it.. We used to do sheryll Calder’s ‘eye gym’ at mhs because to the success it had with the springboks in 07.. It has since lost a lot of emphasis..

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.06.11 00:37:58 by mikey Reply

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  • Mossie at blind side with keegs and hoff. Jaque covering and doing the impact thing.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.06.11 06:50:06 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 18) : Those blokes are super one-eyed. I avoid Keo at all costs as the journos are almost always going on about how everybody but the stormers suck (which would have been fine if they called themselves the stormers rugby site) and the readers will use any excuse to go all racist.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.06.11 06:53:25 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : @vanmartin (Comment 21) : @Mocho (Comment 22) : @Big Fish (Comment 23) :

    The common mistake made be people is confusing *looking* impressive with actually *being* impressive. Habs in full flight has the appearance factor down pat; after all, 80% of his body mass is concentrated in his upper body, his legs are all of 50cm long, and he wears those tights that makes them look even shorter. The nett result is that when he runs at fult tilt (which admittedly is pretty damn quick), those wee little legs move in a cartoon-like blur, which makes for entertaining viewing in a Satrurday-morning-cartoon-stylee.

    Contrast that with JPP, whose legs are 12 feet long at last reckoning, with the result that he covers the same ground in one stride that Habs does in a baker’s dozen. A lot less frenetic in appearance, but just as quick, and a lot less likely to result in hm tripping up himself. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.06.11 08:01:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : @vanmartin (Comment 21) : @Mocho (Comment 22) : @Big Fish (Comment 23) :

    The common mistake made by people is confusing *looking* impressive with actually *being* impressive. Habs in full flight has the appearance factor down pat; after all, 80% of his body mass is concentrated in his upper body, his legs are all of 50cm long, and he wears those tights that makes them look even shorter. The nett result is that when he runs at fult tilt (which admittedly is pretty damn quick), those wee little legs move in a cartoon-like blur, which makes for entertaining viewing in a Satrurday-morning-cartoon-stylee.

    Contrats that with JPP, whose legs are 12 feet long at last reckoning, with the result that he covers the same ground in one stride that Habs does in a baker’s dozen. A lot less frenetic in appearance, but just as quick, and a lot less likely to result in him tripping up himself. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.06.11 08:02:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : Now why did my comment appear twice when I tried to edit out the spelling mistakes?

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.06.11 08:05:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : Busy in the lab again….?

    Give Adonga a shot man!

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.06.11 08:25:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : I’d also like to see more of Adonga.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.06.11 08:28:29 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 34) : And risk ruining his career in the process. He’s not ready to make the step up yet imo.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.06.11 08:33:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : One game or 10mins wont necessarily ruin his career πŸ™‚

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.06.11 08:39:23 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : How ruin it?

    Any reason / fact in particular to your statement “He’s not ready to make the step up yet imo.” that we dont know about?

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.06.11 08:44:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 37) : You can’t throw someone into the deep end. He’s barely performing at VC level. You guys don’t want him to play because of how he’s playing at the moment but because he is such a prospect. Big and fast. That doesn’t mean you are good enough to permorm on the big stage.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.06.11 08:51:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 36) : Not necessarily but if he struggles a lot it could be a huge mental blow. For heavens sake the Sharks don’t even have a mental coach. How will the poor boy ever get over that? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.06.11 08:59:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 38) : Thats why I ask – I have not watch a lot of VC and dont know how he is playing at the moment – stop being so defensive! 😈

    @Ben (Comment 39) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.06.11 09:01:23 by Ice Reply
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  • I’m with Ben. Dan’s not ready for this yet. But they must blood him in the Currie Cup

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  • @Ice (Comment 40) : I’m not being defensive, just explaining my point. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.06.11 09:03:57 by Ben Reply
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  • Burden would make the perfect replacement as they play a very similar game. Playing Botes, Daniel and Kanko would mean having to change our game plan and then Plum would have to play Jacobs in midfield as we will need creativity there.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.06.11 09:04:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : I would really like for him to go and play some Sevens next year.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.06.11 09:07:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 44) : NO!!!! Then he will be lost!

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.06.11 09:10:28 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 45) : Why would he be lost? Still contracted to the Sharks but playing some sevens, like Paul Jordaan.

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.06.11 09:12:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : Sometimes just being given a chance can boost your confidence and up your game. But I get your point.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.06.11 09:14:28 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 46) : I would rather have him at XV game…he’d be lost because we will never be available for the 15’s squad…you know what a lekker trouring life Paul Treu and his boys have…one week they are in Dubai, the next in Knysna, the next in London and the next in Rio.. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.06.11 09:17:40 by Ice Reply
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  • Either way I think that Burden, Botes, Daniel and Kanko will be our loosies for the weekend with either Botes or Burden playing off the bench.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.06.11 09:18:42 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 48) : So be it then. His choice to make.

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.06.11 09:19:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 47) : Just doesn’t make any sense to give someone a chance in Super rugby if he barely stands out at VC level.

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.06.11 09:22:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 49) : That’s if Alberts isn’t fit to play.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.06.11 09:23:00 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • No one considering Kanko at 7? If I’m not mistaken he has played 7 before for the Boks. Not his most effective position I know but surely one of our best options if Alberts is not fit.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.06.11 09:25:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 51) : Ok ok ok πŸ˜† In my initial comment I did say that I would like to see more of him, meaning that I havent seen enough to actually pass judgement on his playing skills and abilities. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.06.11 09:28:45 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : You said YOU would like to see him play sevens…I just said I’d like to see him play 15’s…never said he would not have a choice??!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.06.11 09:35:10 by Ice Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 54) : Well hopefully we see some of him in the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.06.11 09:36:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : Chill! I’m saying he should go and play sevens to round out his skills and become a better player in the 15’s game. So if he then decides to stay at Sevens so be it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.06.11 09:39:48 by Ben Reply
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  • Taking this into account here is Saturdays team.

    15. Louis Ludik, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Stefan Terblanche , 12. Meyer Bosman, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Patrick Lambie, 9. Fred Michalak, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jacques Botes, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Gerhard Mostert, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Eugene van Staden, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. John Smit (c).
    Subs: 16. Tendai Mtawarira, 17. Jannie du Plessis, 18. Alistair Hargreaves, 19. Marcelle Coetzee, 20. Charl McLoed, 21. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 22. Adrian Jacobs

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.06.11 09:46:09 by waje Reply

     
  • @waje (Comment 58) : If Marcell is fit….which we don’t know he is I would play
    8. Marcell
    7. Kanko
    6. Keegan
    with Botes on the bench.

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.06.11 10:04:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • My loose trio would be.

    6 Botes
    7 Kanko
    8 Keegan

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.06.11 10:07:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : to embarrass you twice. The universe is cruel πŸ™„ πŸ™„

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.06.11 12:10:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • I don’t think we should risk Alberts in any event he’s been somewhat tired over the last few weeks. Give him some rest and hope that he’ll be back to his better come Loftus.

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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : He stepped us to score the winning try in 2007 didn`t he? 😈

    On a serious note. Alberts should rest this weekend anyway.
    Surely we`ll have enough up front for the Lions without him?

    How we gonna contain the lions` mid field challenge though? πŸ™„

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.06.11 12:28:31 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 62) : I would agree to rest Alberts if we had some cover for him as a ball-carrying loosie. Reality is, we don’t, so he must play.

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.06.11 12:36:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : A flarking men :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.06.11 13:24:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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