Richard Ferguson

Schools Top 20 – 7 June 2011

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, School Rugby on 8 Jun 2011 at 11:48
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The top of the schools table has seen some change after the weekend’s action where there were quite a few upsets along the way.

Grey College has overtaken Affies as the top school in the country, after Affies lost to Noord-Kaap. Noord-Kaap has moved into seventh spot after their great win.

The other big upset of the weekend was that of Pionier beating Westville, and they made quite a leap up the log and find themselves in the Top 35 now.

Kearsney remain the top KZN school with Glenwood eight spot back in seventeenth.

FNB Top 20 – 7 June 2011:

1. Grey College of Bloemfontein
2. Selborne
3. Paarl Boys’ High
4. Affies
5. Monument
6. KES
7. Noord-Kaap
8. Waterkloof
9. Kearsney
10. Bishops
11. Dale
12. Queen’s College
13. Oakdale
14. Grey High of Port Elizabeth
15. Maritzburg College
16. Paul Roos
17. Glenwood
18. Kemptonpark
19. Florida
20. Drostdy

Then there are those just below these – Diamantveld, Die Brandwag of Uitenhage, Framesby, HTS Middelburg, Klerksdorp, Marais Viljoen, Menlopark, Nico Malan, Noordheuwel, Northwood, Paarl Gim, Pionier, Rondebosch, Rustenburg, Tygerberg and Westville.


  • Mooi so Pionier!

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.06.11 11:52:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • still no Boys High

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.06.11 11:58:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I mean, of course, the REAL Boy’s High (Pretoria), not those wannabes from Paarl.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.06.11 11:59:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Bru the last expanded list I saw had PBHS hovering around the #60 mark.

    Not bad for a small school of only 1600 boys that does offer rugby bursaries or have a jersey sponsor.

    I hear that change is on the way tho. Apparently the new headmaster doesn’t enjoy losing as much as his predecessor did.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.06.11 12:05:20 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 4) : you mean does not?

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.06.11 12:19:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Sorry doesn’t offer bursaries.

    They also seem to have issues with day boy participation (1200 day boys if I’m not wrong). Most of their first team are boarders.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.06.11 12:23:34 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 6) :

    What does day boy mean? I dont understand this concept?

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.06.11 12:26:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) :

    Stay at home boys ie not in boarding school

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.06.11 12:28:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Affies were only pretenders to no 1 , Grey all the way..saw KES take out PBHS in Pta on the week end telly, not a walkover mind you…

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.06.11 12:29:08 by ruggabugga Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) :

    So what difference so they make in the big scheme of things? They all go to the same school?

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.06.11 12:32:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 9) : Ruggabugga, I’d be hesitant to write off Affies just yet.

    Anyway the good news is that this game is being televised at 13h55 on Thursday 16 June.
    It will be the closest thing to a national championship game.

    The only thing is if Affies win, then surely Selborne will move to no.1. That would be something.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.06.11 12:36:55 by beet Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Rich, the thing is with 1600 boys you’re a huge school. Schools like Paarl Gym and Oakdale are a 1/3 and 1/4 of their size and consistently perform better.

    Altho it goes without saying that boarders improve the quality of SBR teams, it’s evident that PBHS are underachieving. One possible reason is that their day boys either not playing rugby or not as committed to the schools cause.
    There are many concerns about the culture up in Gauteng and the impact it’s having on school sport in the region.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.06.11 12:42:49 by beet Reply
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  • Beet I think they playing in Bloem too, but agree it will be an awesome game,strangly enough all agree that Grey is the weakest its been in years and yet still at the top, the only reason imho that affies is near is because Grey have had 2 draws already

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.06.11 12:42:53 by ruggabugga Reply

  • @beet (Comment 12) :

    I seem to be missing something.. Why would they not be as comitted?

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.06.11 12:50:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Disappointing from the green machine

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.06.11 12:54:34 by Poisy Reply
  • Darn KFC!

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.06.11 13:03:01 by Mocho Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) : Boarders are policed 24/7. Day boys can have distractions after school like TV, console games, hanging out at the mall etc which might impact on the effort they make to represent the school or when representing the school.

    However I wouldn’t like to speak out of turn about PBHS’s spirit. I think they can do better but from what I’ve seen of them, they tried hard and were very vocal in supporting their first team.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.06.11 13:13:21 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 17) :

    I see where you are going with it.. And I am starting to understand the difference a bit more..

    Thank you!

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.06.11 13:15:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • The day boy vs boarder thing makes a big difference. When I was at Dale, we had 4 hostels and the split was prob 50/50. Out of this prob 90% of the first XV were boarders and this was consistent year on year. Now there are only 2 hostels so the day boys outnumber the boarders significantly!

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.06.11 13:58:41 by Villie Reply
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  • Dale College Amadoda. When were you there Villie ?

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.06.11 21:57:53 by Speed7 Reply

  • @Villie (Comment 19) :

    This is quite interesting..

    Thank you all for the explanantions..

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.06.11 22:02:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Speed7 (Comment 20) : @Villie (Comment 19) : Is it an insult or honour when someone says, “who let the tickbirds out” ❓

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.06.11 22:23:59 by beet Reply
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  • My son attends PBHS and I think it fair to say that there is still a lot of the “us and them” mentality between day boys and boarders, especially where mainstream sports are concerned. The boarding houses tend to have more sport orientated housemasters and, as stated, boys with fewer distractions after school.
    Boys High has also suffered from lacklustre coaching over recent years. In fact, not since the sterling win against Affies at Affies, the first time ever, in 2008, has the first team truly produced the goods.
    Things do seem to be improving, but new headmaster Antony Reeler has taken his time getting his feet under his desk, and the loss to KES last week may just have been the last straw for the Candies.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.06.11 22:27:17 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) :

    My 2cents worth of explanation.

    I went to HTS Kroonstad, we had 5 hostels “Huis Klomp, Botes, DeKlerk etc.” the Day boys were called “Huis Dorp” giving us 6 hostels in reality.

    We had hostel sport as well as school sport. Huis Dorp seldom won anything and easily provided the least players to the various 1st teams throughout the school.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.06.11 07:14:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :
    The reason for this was more circumstantial than an issue of commitment.

    Training for the different sports were not straight after school. As a boarder you would finish school around 1:30pm, get back to the Hostel have lunch followed by 10min or so to prepare for study hall until about 3pm before going off to train from 3:30 to 5pm.

    The school grounds encompassed the hostels, 5 rugby fields athletics track and the school itself, with the walk to school or one of the fields being no more than about 400.

    So as a boarder your routine was set out FOR you and to have a quick team meeting was as simple as shouting down the the hall to everyone.

    The day boarders did not have it this easy, they had to go home after school, kill 2hours and then come back to school to train. Only the really committed managed that very well and it was a nightmare to try and “quickly” organise a team meeting.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.06.11 07:25:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I was a day boy at Boys High and I think it’s safe to say that “us and them” thing that Sharon mentioned is alive and well and always has been. The boarders, in my experience, seemed to be indoctrinated into believing that they were somehow a cut above everyone else and the arrogance on display was mind-boggling at times.

    I think they certainly did tend to fare better when it came to selection as well, usually because they got to spend that much more time with and around the coaches, most of whom lived on the school premises as well. A bit of a “closed shop”, really and hard for day boys to get a fair shake.

    As for the boarders being “more committed”… well, I’m not sure I really agree. Perhaps they were luckier in terms of having virtually 24×7 access to all of the school’s sporting facilities.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.06.11 07:29:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Correct.

    We had many “day boys” as they are called who decided to become boarders specifically to get around that problem.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.06.11 07:33:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Let me just add (and this is going to sound strange coming from me) that there is more to life than rugby. PBHS, particularly in Bill Schroeder’s era, did a fantastic job of turning out well-rounded individuals and allowing boys to excel in a wide variety of disciplines beyond simply sports. Bill was always determined that the school was not to become simply a “rugby factory” that sacrificed academic performance or cultural activities in the interests of churning out a winning first XV every year.

    That’s not to say we don’t produce our fair share of excellent rugby players. Ask the Bok captain where he went to school. I’m also pleased to see an ever-increasing number of Boys High boys representing the Bulls at Craven Week level, going on to their u19 and junior sides. That may in part be due to the ongoing presence of Paul Anthony at the Bulls and aside from Chilliboy, I think it’s safe to say that we have yet to see a strong Boys High presence in the senior Bulls side.

    Boys High produces champions in every discipline, though… including numerous Rhodes Scholars (there was another one just recently, but can’t remember the bloke’s name), entrepreneurs of the calibre of Elon Musk, writers like Richard Kunzmann, etc… a guy who was in matric with me plays Violin for the London Symphony Orchestra. Hell, even drag queen Cathy Specific was in my matric class!

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.06.11 07:40:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Well Rob, having access to the facilities 24X7 makes a huge difference at that level. While the day boys go home to their backyards alone, the boarders have the entire field and team mates to keep on playing, practicing and in doing so develop their skills. At that age it makes a significant difference. But being close to the coaches also helps.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.06.11 07:44:27 by Viking Reply
  • @Viking (Comment 29) : it’s not just the proximity – it’s the fact that they have nothing else to do as well 🙂

    Guess Beet is right when he talks about the “PlayStation factor” limiting dayboys, but kids need to enjoy their childhood too.

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.06.11 07:52:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : True, true and True

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.06.11 07:57:53 by Viking Reply
  • @Viking (Comment 31) : where did you go to school, Viking?

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.06.11 08:00:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Saints…We had a similar predicament between day boys and boarders. Then the english oakes also had the afrikaans guys to compete with who has played rugby since they were able to walk.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.06.11 08:22:01 by Viking Reply
  • @Viking (Comment 33) : st Stithians?

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.06.11 08:41:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Correcto!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.06.11 08:46:29 by Viking Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : @Viking (Comment 35) :

    Firstly I just want to say that comments above were meant to be specific to rugby.

    I agreed, there is more to life than rugby. However just about every school on the top 20 list have outstanding achievers in various other fields of life (similar to PBHS)

    I also agree that kids should be given balance. However rugby is exercise, a good team builder, teaches disciple, character builder, toughens kids up and above all is a lot of fun.

    Re: Saints vs PBHS. This game is at Saints this year and apparently Saints have a commentator, well he’s meant to be an announcer, but he goes overboard, who added a few extra digs at PBHS supporters and boys whenever Saints scored points 2 years back. Long story short, people got rubbed up the wrong way and haven’t forgotten, so it goes without saying that the PBHS crowd is hell bent on shutting the commentator up this time around. For a neutral it’s too funny but obviously if you’re PBHS, it’s serious stuff. Ahhh the joys of SBR derbies.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.06.11 09:10:10 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 36) : 🙂

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.06.11 09:20:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What we learnt in school and what we were encouraged to do is pick up multiple sports, as it helps in whatever sport you do. Example of this is playing cricket in the first term, rugby in the second and soccer in the third.

    If you look at the top Sportsmen in the world today they all had a second sport which they equally excelled at. Jonty Rhodes – cricket and hockey. Schalk Burger SA schools for cricket and rugby. Mark Andrews waterpolo and rugby. The list goes on.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.06.11 09:53:25 by Mocho Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 38) : Tubby Le Roux, Rugby and Waterpolo, but I think he may have been used as the ball.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.06.11 09:57:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Funny, but st Stiths was never seen as a big derby in my day. They were the easy-beats among the top Joburg schools and there was a strong feeling that our seconds should have been playing their firsts. Guess they’ve improved a lot.

    Lovely school, though. Really enjoyed ‘borrowing’ their fields for touch on a Sunday afternoon.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.06.11 10:06:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 38) : Same for AB de vielliers who played provincial or higher in almost every sport imaginable. Rugby, cricket, golf, tennis too name a few

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.06.11 10:28:12 by Viking Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Hey you better watch out. The GalPille is in excellent form and will probably call those Pretoria laaities has beens.

    Paarl Gim struggle at the moment. They keep on picking grade 11s because next year it will be the GalPille 150th year and want to spoil their party. At least they had a good win over Boland last weekend.

    Outeniqua , Kwaggas look like they had lost their rugby mojo totally.

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.06.11 12:06:12 by PaarlBok Reply


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