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Plum raises a bloody good point


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 13 Jun 2011 at 11:12
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I think I may have been guilty of failing to do my sums quite right last week and overestimating the impact of this weekend’s draw against the Lions as a result.

John Plumtree has pointed out that, as a result of the Bulls beating the Stormers and the Waratahs stuffing the Highlanders, the result of Saturday’s game against the Lions carries a little less weight than it would have otherwise. While it would undoubtedly have been better for the Sharks to pick up four or five points, the ultimate necessity of winning against the Bulls at Loftus this coming weekend wouldn’t have been any less real in that scenario.

Simply put, because of the way other games unfolded this past weekend, a win at Loftus to ensure qualification would have been a requirement for the Sharks regardless of whether or not they had picked up extra points against the Lions. The only factor that will now make the result of Saturday’s game irrelevant would be a loss for the Waratahs against the Brumbies, which, to be honest, is somewhat unlikely.

So, it’s do-or-die time once more. I’d feel better about it had the Sharks played well for the full 80 against the Lions, but it must be said that the last half-hour dished up in Johannesburg should give Sharks supporters a glimmer of hope for this weekend. That rugby, I feel, would beat any team in the competition. Let’s hope we see more of it this weekend.


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  • Like I said in the previous thread we should stand by our boys..they know its tough..they have to play the game but that doesn’t mean they can’t beat the bulls..the bulls aren’t a special side..they just know how to win ugly..n I feel if the sharks show grunt they can win..

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.11 11:16:04 by shaniboi Reply
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  • There you go…so we didn’t need to shout for the Stormers this weekend 😉

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.11 11:20:28 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 2) : no – that’s not true, I’m afraid.

    Had the Stormers won, the Bulls have had to win at Loftus just to draw level with us and even one bonus point would have seen us go through ahead of them.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.06.11 11:23:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • It’s knock out stuff from here on in. A good time to start playing well…..all that has gone before will be forgotten if we go on a run now 😈

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.06.11 11:23:56 by Villie Reply
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  • Its seems in the minds of most sharks supporters (I admit I am amongst this group) the focus of the past few weeks has been more on qualifying for the playoffs than winning the super 15. Lets be honest, all the talk of permutations, of how the sharks could qualify for the playoffs without having to win in Pretoria etc etc. would reinforce this observation. The logic has been a little flawed as if the sharks are battling to beat the Cheetahs and Lions away from home (which is effectively as friendly away schedule as one can have) what chance was there of them beating for example the Crusaders in New Zealand? The one thing we cant run away from is that the Sharks have been playing poor rugby of late and although this has been acknowledged by the majority of Sharks supporters, the focus has still been on ways they can back into the playoffs. Maybe this is part of the problem. Despite poor performances, despite not picking up all the points they could have, the sharks have always remained in the playoff placings. For the first time this season, the Sharks are faced with a genuine do or die situation. Should they succeed and win at Loftus it will provide a major psychological boost ahead of the playoffs, which is a means to an end not an end itself. Had they won ugly against the Lions and picked up the points and events conspire for them to qualify despite losing to the Bulls, what kind of way is that to enter into the knockout rounds. The Sharks have the opportunity to get it done this weekend and provide some much needed momentum. Should they fall at Loftus, they would inevitably fallen the week after in NZ regardless of whether they had qualified already or not. We should as Sharks supporters welcome the opportunity for the Sharks to step up and justify the preseason hype. Personally Im looking forward to the quarter finals this weekend feeling that with the squad the Sharks have, nothing short of a super 15 title should be the aim of this team.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.06.11 11:25:24 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : but we should know by now NEVER to rely on the Stormers to do us any favours! 👿

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.11 11:25:41 by Villie Reply
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  • Good Luck Sharks if you can win up there ….. you could go the whole way!

    But to be honest it looks tough and the Tahs look to be coming right, and should be better than the Brumbies….but it will still be close.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.06.11 11:27:12 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 7) : Hey nice article in Rugby Mentor. 😎

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.06.11 11:29:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Not much succour in that point as we still have to figure out how to play rugby for 80 minutes. Some reports suggest that The Sharks only came to the game when Butch was yellow carded. I don’t buy that. The substitutions made all the difference and at that time The Lions were beginning to feel the effects of their all-out rugby onslaught during the earlier part of the game. In fact, most teams in all three conferences showed signs of fatigue and the injury count is becoming a major worry with some team. The Stormers v Bulls game produced some shocking errors from seasoned players that would not have been evident earlier in the season. Having said that where are The Sharks players in the first 40 minutes? The ones on the field look as though they are playing together for the first time and some of them have been there for too many games. It’s not a good idea to change a team at this vital stage in the tournament but there is really no real alternative. For several games The Sharks have played only in the final part of the game and this is unacceptable. New faces, new game plan,or back to the old Currie Cup days, and new ideas. We have the players and we have beaten the Bulls many times before. It is not as impossible as it seems when we consider that Plumtree will not be as bold.
    But we live in hope. That’s what loyal fans are about.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.06.11 11:29:57 by Donald Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) :

    Cheers mate, pleased you liked it!

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.06.11 11:32:17 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 10) : You should have snuck the phrase “4 more years” in there somewhere. 😉

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.06.11 11:35:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) :

    …. actually I did :mrgreen:

    Did you enjoy the magazine. ❓

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.06.11 11:36:50 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Lets hope the Sharks can play the full 80 against the bulls like the played the last 30 against the Lions. Otherwise its the end of the road for the sharks this year. But to be honest, we have not played to our potential the entire season and I now have a feeling that we will not have one game this season where we can really say well done for a full 80 of great ruggas. 🙁

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.06.11 11:48:15 by Viking Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 5) : the Sharks finished 9th last year, what play-off did they contest? and in 2009 were they in the play-offs? cos i remember it being 3 New Zealand sides and the Bulls?

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.06.11 11:56:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 13) : Start the team that finished the last 35 min…it’s so obvious… 😉

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.06.11 11:58:41 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 14) : Absolutely. The Sharks haven’t been in the playoffs since 2008. That doesnt mean that reaching the playoffs should be their goal. In a strength versus strength currie cup playoffs last year they came out on top. That means they should be aiming higher. If their sole aim is to contest the playoffs without hoping to advance further, thats almost as sad as the Kings hope of participating in the super 15 without qualifying for the 1st division of currie cup rugby.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.06.11 12:03:13 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Let me say this load and clear. I’m going to loftes(waar dit rof is) en wen of verloor, I’m shouting till I have no voice for the team I believe can stil do it. Let Plum do what he thinks is right and good, but I will wear the black and white, I WILL support the SHARKS all the way. No surender no retreat, BLACK AND WHITE nothing els matters….. Go SHARKS!!!!! (And you will see this comment again)

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.06.11 12:06:20 by franshark Reply
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  • Rob, that 2 points would have made a difference, if we were on 55 now we, needed only to loose with less than 7 or get a try-bonuspoint to stay ahead of waratahs, now we have to win… If they win

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.06.11 12:14:46 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 18) : See comment 5… Its all the same in the end

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.06.11 12:16:03 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 15) : basicly, interesting that it looked like Mcloed took the captain roll when both the others were off…

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.06.11 12:16:32 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 20) : Keegan did..

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.06.11 12:17:25 by Ice Reply
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  • just on the point of math :

    Tahs are on 52 now, if we had won we would have been on 55 or 56 (the latter was aimed scenario). Then we would not need to win against the Bulls but just get a bonus point.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.06.11 12:22:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 21) : sure? Somehow missed that, heard the commentators said that McLeod indicated his captain,

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.06.11 12:25:17 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 23) : I stand to be corrected though – perhaps Rob or someone will know….watch this space! 😉

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.06.11 12:26:36 by Ice Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : that’s what I was trying to say 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.06.11 12:27:33 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 23) : @Ice (Comment 24) :

    It was Keegan….SS commentators got it wrong.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.06.11 12:28:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 23) : before the Cheetahs match the commentators said that Michalak would get his first Super rugby cap if he came on, Michalak got his tenth Super rugby cap this weekend. Point is, don’t believe everything said on Supersport, they make mistakes.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.06.11 12:29:08 by war1 Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : thanks, I think it was during that time I was banging my head on the ground out of frustration and not watching what happened

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.06.11 12:30:06 by franshark Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) : I know 🙂

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.06.11 12:30:57 by franshark Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : either way,,,, we would be going to Loftus with the Bulls knowing they needed a certain result to ensure they reached the play-offs ahead of us. If it was for them to beat us by more than 7, I’m pretty sure they would be able to achieve that.

    Fact is, pitching at Loftus with nothing resting on the game is a ship that sailed a long time ago.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.06.11 12:31:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Good. An opportunity for the Sharks to prove themselves. Time to stand up and be counted.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.06.11 12:35:19 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 31) : i am more of the proponent of the approach :
    you work hard the whole season not to be in the situation like this 😐

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.06.11 12:36:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) : quite a few and sometimes big ones even 🙄

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.06.11 12:37:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 32) : yes, agree with you. Just one or two extra points (like not losing to the chiefs… or picking up bonus points even when losing to the stormers and bulls) would have made things very different

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.06.11 12:40:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 28) : If McLeod was appointed captain I would have banged my head too! 😆

    @Pokkel (Comment 26) : Yes – happened a few weeks back – but the poor guy is severely traumatised still…there’s an article in Rapport too..

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.06.11 12:41:18 by Ice Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 32) : Which the sharks clearly havent done. If they cant peak now, they never gonna…

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.06.11 12:41:32 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : That settles it. John Smit and Kankow would never consider offers from the Lions. How could they risk their Mustangs!! 😈

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.06.11 12:42:49 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) : Ashwin not doing bad for a “retiree”…he drove a Range Rover!

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.06.11 12:46:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : IMO this ship sailed away only on Saturday – before there was still hope.

    @robdylan (Comment 34) : one of the reasons I was so frustrated with JLP is that if he got his kicks in during the Crusaders and Stormers game – here we have 2 points.

    But happened – nothing that one can do now EXCEPT learning lessons for the future.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.06.11 12:46:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • If the Sharks had beaten the Lions with a bonus point, we would have been in contention for top of the conference(however unlikey) by beating the Bulls, and the Stormers losing against the Cheetahs.

    All in all, this game cost us!!

    It seems to me that our problems are more deep rooted than the wrong players starting. I think our confidence to play like last year has dissapeared along with our home semi chances. The best rugby we have played this year has been in the second half of lost causes. Take the Crusaders, Bulls, Brumbies, Cheetahs and Lions games. I think the thumping the Stormers gave us led us to believe that ball in hand is no longer the way forward. This past weekend, from the first kickoff (and every kickoff in the first half), the ball went straight to Lambie, then kicked into touch. No runners to bash it up and to get into a better position, to test the defense or even to get into a sort of rythm. Our +5 phases stat at half time was 1!! When the game was dead and buried, we started to give the ball some air, and suddenly the fluency, the rythm and the confidence was back. We ran at the right angles, and we didn’t try to run over the defense. The injection of pace and energy from the bench definately helped, but even with the wrong players, I believe that the right game plan from the first whistle would have kept us in control of the game enough, so that when the energy was injected, the opposition would be blown away.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.06.11 12:47:57 by Gaff Reply

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  • People seem to be forgetting that the Bulls will ALSO be playing for a play off place. A loss to the Sharks and a Waratahs win will mean the Bulls will be out.

    Over the recent past the Bulls have become VERY adept at doing what is needed to win the “must win” games. Think of that 92 point mauling of the Reds…

    In the same period, the Sharks have become very adept at losing the “must win” games. Why, only in 2009 the Sharks had to beat the Bulls in their last game (at home) to make the semis…and lost. In 2005 the Sharks finished 5th, after needing to beat the Force by a large points difference to ensure their place in the semis. They won by 16… but the Bulls beat the Stormers 43-10 in their final game and sneaked into 4th place ahead of the Sharks…

    The Bulls know how to do it, and they have their backs to the wall too. I wouldn’t bet against them but I am hoping I will be pleasantly surprised. Doubt it though. We’ve all seen this script before.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.06.11 12:54:55 by siorc Reply

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  • Well, yes. I agree with what you say, except to bash it up. I was kind of hoping the sharks lack of a wrecking ball loosie might actually force them to change this predictable style. Unfortunately it just resulted in the Sharks being raped at the breakdown. The bottom line is there are several cracks in the Sharks team right now. Van Staden is a supersub, not a starter. JS has lost his aura and mojo. Beast needs to run straight. The locks are supposed to be the primary source of lineout ball, at the Sharks they are not. The loosie trio needs balance. Charl Macleod is still a good SH when he passes quickly and accurately, but for some reason doesn’t seem to want to. Bosman may have been a defensive liability, but Stefan remains an attacking liability. The wings don’t get through enough work and Ludik has been.. well.. pretty colourless for some time now. Its too late to rest players, so another way has to be found to sort these problems out. Now if I was coach…. The sharks would lose ten times more ?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.06.11 12:55:52 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 42) :

    The Sharks didn’t even TRY to compete at the breakdowns which was really sad to see. The Lions didn’t need to commit numbers to the breakdowns because the Sharks didn’t attempt a single counter ruck in the whole game that I remember.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.06.11 12:59:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 41) : Have to agree.

    We`ve all seen this movie before.

    I`ll be hoping but I won`t be placing bets.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.06.11 13:01:26 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • In addition, I am disappointed that the recent prevailing attitude emanating from the team management seems to be only to make the play offs. As another poster pointed out above, had we won last weekend we would have retained a mathematical chance of topping the SA conference. What’s to celebrate in finishing 6th anyway with its “reward” of 3 away knockout games? How many teams finished 4th in the Super 12/14 and won back to back knockout games to lift the trophy?

    Aaargh, call me pessimistic but call me a realist too, I have written off this season and finishing 5th or 6th will not make it a “successful” season by any means.

    The way they have played of late, anyone seriously hoping for the Sharks to beat the Bulls and a combination of 3 of the Reds, Blues, Crusaders and Stormers away in 4 consecutive weekends is in cuckoo land.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.06.11 13:04:50 by siorc Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 44) : I hope the Sharks get written off. I hope they get ridiculed on every website, newspaper, fanblog across the nation. Look what it did for them before the Currie Cup semi final last year.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.06.11 13:05:08 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 46) : Or or two slight differences this year though.
    We don`t have Andries Strauss, the SharkTank or that brilliant motivational speech I wrote LOL

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 47) : Touché 😉

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.06.11 13:11:53 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 47) : Not a bad idea!!! Perhaps we should send a thread to them again like we did last year before the semi’s!

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.06.11 13:12:01 by Ice Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 47) : Well then, maybe you need to write another one.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.06.11 13:12:13 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 50) : I reckon we’ll do anything to try and help the situation! LOL

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.06.11 13:16:21 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 51) : Maybe we can get Suzie (if she exists) to do the catering for the Bulls this week.

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 12) : Yip It’s a cool read and now that there are Kiwis and Pole Dancers it is even better. 🙂 Will you be doing monthly pieces?

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.06.11 13:21:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Guys can’t we do somethin to send the guys a good luck wish..somethin that will help..these guys know they stuffed up but its not over yet..not by a long shot..they need some added motivation..

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.06.11 13:30:07 by shaniboi Reply

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  • I don’t see how Plumtree’s comment is a “bloody good point”, he is stating the obvious. Which he has been doing all season. He is very good at stating the obvious. Here are some other obvious points he has made:

    “It would have been nice to win in Jo’Burg but we obviously got off to a pretty bad start,” the coach admitted.

    “In the last three or four games we’ve had to come from behind and the boys on the bench came on and did a great job for us. It was the same against the Cheetahs, but we have to start better in this game.”

    “Managing to picking up the win is also good, it keeps us alive in the competition which is exactly what we want.”

    I would add more, but I don’t want to have to read anymore comments.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.06.11 13:31:33 by waje Reply

     
  • @shaniboi (Comment 54) : Like a rocket up their arses. 😆

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.06.11 13:33:06 by waje Reply

     
  • @shaniboi (Comment 54) : if we want to motivate them, let’s not start by telling them that they stuffed up 🙂

    Hopefully they already realise that part.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.06.11 13:59:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • As a ardent Sharks supporter, I’ll be hoping, praying, shouting and willing the boys on to win this Saturday. However, as a long-time Sharks supporter, history has taught me to prepare myself emotionally for victories by the Waratahs and Bulls.

    My biggest fear at this point is that we get knocked out of the Super 15, and subsequently, due to the pressure on him to produce some results, Plum enters the Currie Cup with a “win at all costs” mentality, thereby sticking with his tried and tested (in his view) combinations and not using the opportunity to blood young players.

    Fact is, with the World Cup later this year, the Currie Cup is going to be somewhat watered down, and really, really, really *should* be used as a trial and testing ground for next year’s Super 15.

    OK, I’m getting off my soapbox now.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.06.11 14:07:16 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I like this article much more, I feel hope now, with the previous one, I felt only doom.

    By the way, to those that suggested Fred and Adi in the mid-field, after this weekend, I would have to admit that I may have been wrong to shunt the idea completely. They created quite a spark next to each other.

    Bissie was also instrumental in the turnaround.

    I may I also note that Charl McLeod looked like his old, quick delivery to the backs, self when this come-back started.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.06.11 14:14:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : Hey Rob, I’ll be traveling in Europe from the 15th of June to the 20th of July and I was wonering if you could advise me of the best way to catch some of the games if I have time.

    I’ll be somewhere in Ireland on Saturday. I’d love to watch the Bulls/Sharks game, do you think they’ll show it somewhere in a pub? Are they even televizing these last few rounds of SupeRugby?

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.06.11 14:17:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) : you’re in luck… Bulls- Sharks is on Sky Sports 2 (but behind the red button).

    Shouldn’t be too hard to find a pub showing it in Ireland.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.06.11 14:24:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 58) : considering recent results you still reckon there is tried and tested :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.06.11 14:25:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • Oh and about Plum’s obvious point, did he also make it clear that the other effect the draw (loss) to the Lions and win of the Bulls had on the last round?

    This means we have to win against the Bulls, just like we would have had to do had we gotten 3 more log points against the Lions, only now we’re trailing the Stormers by 5 instead of two, the Crusaders by 4 instead of 1, the Blues by 3 instead of level and the Waratahs are only 1 behind us instead of a good 4 point buffer, which means, we can’t chase down the Stormers anymore, the crusaders needs a bonus point only to be save from being passed by us and the Blues can loose and still end up ahead of us.

    Yes we need to win our last game and we would have had to regardless of the Lions game, but now we’re playing to survive only, we could have played for so much more.

    Luckily for us, it seems like the Sharks are at their best when the chips are down.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.06.11 14:25:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Cool, that’s awesome.

    Watched a Sharks game in a Pub in Ireland. Check!

    Watched the Sharks secure their play-offs in the SupeRugby…? To be continued…

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.06.11 14:35:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 62) : Way ahead of you there, boy-o! If you reread the post you’ll see I said tried and tested in Plum’s view.

    My views I’ll keep to myself because excessive profanity gets frowned upon on this site…

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.06.11 14:35:57 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 54) : The Good luck Wish Thread is up!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.06.11 14:44:37 by Ice Reply
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  • I actually think Plumtree makes a bloody $%&£ point.

    Had the Sharks won with a bonus point (even the Cheetahs could get a bonus point 53-19 victory in JHB) the Sharks would have been on 56 points in 4th place, ahead of the Blues by virtue of winning 10 games against the Blues’ 9.

    The Blues losing this weekend to the Highlanders would have offered another chance for the Sharks to go through, even despite a likely loss to the Bulls.

    Yes, it’s pathetic that yet again we are relying on other results to go our way, but it would have been another slim chance.

    In addition, in the unlikely event of the Stormers losing to the Cheetahs and the Sharks beating the Bulls, the Sharks could have topped the SA conference, earning a home quarter final and a far greater chance of progressing to the semis. Now the Sharks can only get a possible 5th or 6th place IF they beat the Bulls.

    Surely the Sharks should be going out to win EVERY game, not working out the minimum permutations to get into the expanded 6 team play offs? Besides, just last year finishing in 5th or 6th would have been considered an unsuccessful season.

    I am still seething with this season’s capitulation 👿 From topping the log after 4 rounds to a probable 7th place finish… it’s almost a carbon copy of 2006 when, rather ominously, it was the Bulls we played – and lost to – in our final pool game, denying us a semi place.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.06.11 19:50:13 by siorc Reply

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  • Well at least our fate is still in our own hands.

    A 1 point win in Pretoria will be good enough. The Bulls aren’t unbeatable, are they?

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.06.11 19:59:28 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 68) : the Bulls have won 6 on the trot. They are ripe for the plucking, every team has to stumble sometime.

    But, they are also a team playing for a play off place, a loss for them will likely see them out (favours from the Brumbies excepted).

    In this situation and reflecting on recent history, having to do the necessary job, I know which team I would bet my house on. 😥

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.06.11 20:12:19 by siorc Reply

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  • hopefully smit and oupa have some niggles and has to bench 😆

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.06.11 22:55:37 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) :

    I will be if required! Nass and Shaz doing a great job! 😆

    I think they are pretty happy with the last edition. 😉

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.06.11 06:27:27 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 71) : 🙂

    I think it’s a good edition. I’m a little unhappy with Naas at the moment for making comments about James’ high tackle on Daniel. The last thing we need before a RWC is to re-ignite the controvercies around James’ tackling style. 🙁

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.06.11 06:38:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 72) : maybe if Butch hadn’t felt the need to try take Keegan’s head off, there wouldn’t be any debate to (re)ignite? 🙂

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.06.11 07:32:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 72) : @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    I’m staying out of this one 😛

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.06.11 08:19:37 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : It’s the fact that Naas is saying, Butch has a reputation for this sort of thing and he could cost us thw RWC, blah blah balh that makes me concerned about the comment.

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 74) : Yeah beast you don’t get involved or we might just get someone to say Richie plays illegally. 😛 Oh wait that has been tried and failed. 😉

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.06.11 08:23:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 75) : Sorry. I meant to add/ask. Butch did fine in the NH competitions didn’t he? His reputation should be long gone, this was just a brain fart.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.06.11 08:25:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 76) :

    I see they have replaced Butch at Bath with Stephen Donald 😯

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.06.11 08:32:14 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 77) : 😯 I didn’t see that. Who is going to the Chiefs? They have Delany and?

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.06.11 08:45:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 75) : oh yeah. Naas did go overboard on that, ridiculously so.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.06.11 09:04:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • Naas has got vested interests and his name is Morne Steyn…..but you guys know this.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.06.11 09:16:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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