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Losing to the Stormers was the killer


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 27 Jun 2011 at 09:43
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As the curtain comes down on another disappointing Super Rugby campaign for the Sharks, the fans are left once again wondering what became of all the early-season optimism.

The Sharks, after all, beat all comers quite handsomely to win the Currie Cup last year and with the new conference system in Super Rugby in 2011, surely that advantage would prove telling? The squad that did so well in the showpiece domestic competition had, for the most part, been retained, with centre Dries Strauss the only notable exception. The midfield and flyhalf position had been bolstered by the acquisition of proven talent and the return of injured stalwarts like John Smit, Ross Skeate and Jean Deysel looked to further strengthen an already unstoppable pack.

The draw looked pretty benign, with only the Crusaders looming as an impossibly tough fixture on the overseas tour and for once there were very few of the usual off-season dramas. In short, everything looked settled and happy and the noises coming out of Durban were positive. Losing both games in the pre-season friendly tournament – the first to the Lions by an embarrassing margin – caused a jitter or two amongst the fans, but since no log point were on offer those days, they were soon written off.

How then, in short, did we end up here? What can we identify as the reasons for a one-sided quarter-final exit when the team, according to the plans laid at the start of the season, should (and could) have been hosting a semi-final? Was there a shortage of talent? Hell no – the Sharks squad is packed to the rafters with quality players and we boast front rankers, loose forwards and outside backs that are the envy of many international teams, not even to mention the prodigious talents of Pat Lambie at flyhalf. Did we suffer crippling injuries during the campaign? Not really – in fact, we came off much better than most teams on that front. Sure, we lost Lambie for a few weeks and also Conrad Hoffmann. Added to that was the fact that Deysel took much longer than anticipated to come back into the squad. John Smit suffered one or two annoying niggles and we also lost Eugene van Staden for three weeks. That was pretty much it and teams like the Stormers, Reds and Waratahs would have counted themselves lucky had their own injuries been limited to the same extent.

The Sharks, ironically, failed to live up to their pre-tournament billing because they failed to front up to the challenge posed by other teams in their own conference. They recorded a clean sweep over the Australian teams they faced and only lost twice to non-South African opposition, both times away to Kiwi teams. That performance alone should have guaranteed them a top two finish had they only been able to put away South African teams when it mattered. In short, losing twice to the Stormers was what killed the Sharks, while getting done at home by the Bulls and drawing against the Lions away only added further nails to the coffin. In the final analysis, the Stormers actually managed a slightly worse record against foreign team than the Sharks, but made up for that with a superb “in conference” display that saw the loss against the Bulls at Newlands as the only game against a South African side that they did not win. In short, the Stormers played smarter than the Sharks and made sure they banked the important points when they were on offer, rather than ending up with an impossible-seeming mountain to climb right at the end.

Moving forward, the Sharks need to urgently address the utterly baffling lack of intensity that seemed to beset them in a number of crucial game this season. We have all seen how awesome the machine can be when in full flight, but if the evidence of the 2011 Super Rugby campaign is to be believed, the Sharks are missing a number of the pieces they need to get that machine operating on all cylinders consistently enough.

I’m sure there will be a lot more analysis in the coming weeks that might shed some light on the failings – and the steps that need to be taken.


94 Comments

  • We need a specialist defence coach. πŸ’‘ And then the players need to learn how to catch a ball again. Both those things should be fixed easily.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.06.11 09:55:14 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • Aaaaah noooo! Are we going to have a week of what lost the Sharks the season?

    The Sharks’ were shit in doing the basics right. Charl McLoed’s knockon count was disgusting.

    Alberts and Bismarck did a lot of carrying, but rarely offloaded. Teams knew they just needed to tackle the Sharks forwards and not worry about the players around the ball carriers.

    Ryan Kankowski makes more meters running for the touchline than he does running towards the tryline.

    The lineouts were dismal. Hargreaves was poor at both set pieces.

    The Sharks centers fired in one and a half games.

    Stefan was a poor Captain.

    There it is. The Sharks got more than they deserved. Hopefully this time round they actually learn from their mistakes and not put themselves and their fans through the same shit for another year.

    The Sharks had a great fixture list and good opportunities. They deserve what they get for wasting those opportunities.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.06.11 09:58:14 by waje Reply

     
  • Pat Lambie’s finger injury was probably the thing that messed the Sharks up the most, as in the games JLP played, the missed kicks lost the Sharks a lot of log points.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.06.11 10:02:41 by waje Reply

     
  • That is when the Sharks lost those three games in a row and they had to play catch up from there on in.

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.06.11 10:03:39 by waje Reply

     
  • We’ve become the Cheetahs, that’s what.

    We are a good Currie Cup side, which can win against a few of the poorer Super rugby sides, maybe catch a good side off guard here and there, including the inevitable one BIG EFFORT against another Saffer side, but have no real idea of how to win consistenlty at this level.

    In one word LIMITED.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.06.11 10:11:37 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 5) :

    Ouch!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.06.11 10:16:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 5) :

    The difference is that the Cheetah’s do it with much less experienced players. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.06.11 10:17:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : can you disagree, though? (sadface)

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.06.11 10:18:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) : and a far smaller salary budget

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.06.11 10:19:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    I’m not disagreeing. It just hurts more seeing it like that.

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.06.11 10:21:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • We have the players. What we need to ask ourselves is…do we have the management to manage those players effectively? Rugby (like all other sports)requires a business plan – on and off the field to win.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.06.11 10:31:14 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) : Dude, it hurt writing that! πŸ˜₯

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.06.11 10:38:13 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 11) :

    Nail…Head…

    I have mentioned this too many times to even bother going into detail again.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.06.11 10:40:54 by MornΓ© Reply
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  • Another game that hurt was the loss against the Chiefs 15 – 9 all penalties.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.06.11 10:43:12 by Ernie Reply

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  • @Ernie (Comment 14) : yes, it did, but at that stage it wasn’t a train smash.

    That 3rd game on tour is always such a tough one to win, regardless of the opposition.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.06.11 10:53:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • There will be many reasons given in this analysis, no doubt, but for what it’s worth:

    I believe that a lot of the bad performances that plagued our season was down to off-form players being consistently rewarded with starting places while better replacements were forced to sit on the bench until it was too late in the game to make a difference.

    We all know that Bosman, McCleod, Terblanche and Smit had crappy seasons by their high standards so why were these guys in particular simply gifted starting positions nearly every week????

    It’s simply a case of poor, poor team management.

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.06.11 11:14:12 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 16) : add Sykes to that list, in the interests of fairness

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.06.11 11:19:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Rob, I had a feeling that insipid loss to the Chiefs would come back to bite us. When you get thrashed by a better team it’s one thing, but when your team sloths its way to a loss in a dismal game they could have easily won; that has consequences..

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.06.11 11:21:41 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Yeah Sykes, for sure. Astute management says you sanction a poorly performing player and you reward an in-form player. Nuff said.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.06.11 11:23:30 by CapeShark Reply
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  • We probably should never have accepted to play Saders at Twickers. Adding all those extra travel miles was daft. We started to fall apart after that horrendous travel.

    Losing Lambie at that stage never helped either. Cause he was kicking really well at posts before he got injured. We just might have picked up another bonus point to Saders at Twickers and a bonus point against Stomers had we got all our kicks. Then losing to Chiefs and drawing with Lions let us down. I count 7 points there. We would have landed up with 62 points. Getting a home play off instead of travelling to nz after the Bulls game.

    Also reading now that Saders left on Sunday night for Cape Town. They have it spot on. My feeling we left to late last week. We had the chance to leave on Sunday but never took it, chose to leave on Tuesday. That left us very little time to get over the jet lag. Going East the jet lag is worse, travelling west is is a bit easier. Saders will have the extra 11 hours when they land here. Cause of the time difference. They have done it right to leave straight away. Also think us staying on Saffa time never helped. Should have left on Sunday and got adjusted to kiwi time.
    We need someone to manage things like that better.

    Anyhow hope we can do a lot better next year. I really don’t like this new format. Wish we could go back to the old one.

    Just think if Bulls had won. They would have goneto 5th spot cause of winning more than the Tahs. They then would have gone to NZ to play Saders if they beat them off to Cape Town to play Stormers if they beat them then would have headed to Oz to play the Reds. That is so crazy. All that while the teams that make the semi is just resting. Somehow they have to make it a bit fairer the travel for the play off teams.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.06.11 11:26:17 by Puma Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 18) : there were points on the table there, for sure.

    But losing those home games was the clincher

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.06.11 11:30:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : True, true.
    The Stormers weren’t that much better than us on paper, But they strolled thru our midfield like the proverbial Red Sea. Sorry for the caps lock but: WE SIMPLY HAVE TO GET A DECENT CENTRE PAIRING!!! ❗

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.06.11 12:02:21 by CapeShark Reply
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  • STTTOOOOORRRMMMEEEERRSSS!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.06.11 12:04:16 by molly Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 22) : no sorry – I don’t agree.

    The centres we have are fine… we just need to use them better.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.06.11 12:08:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Taking nothing away from the Stormers, they were better than us throughout the season. We should have beaten the Bulls at home and we should have beaten the Lions with a bonus point. That would have ment us finishing 4th. Probably playing the Tahs in the Quarters at Kings park and winning and we should have had a semi against the Stormers this weekend.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.06.11 12:12:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 25) : Saying that, if we had then just beaten the Stormers at home on top of beating the Bulls and Lions we would have been 1st in the SA conference.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.06.11 12:14:39 by Ben Reply
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  • Combination of management, getting the basics right and attitude ultimately did us in. If we got at least two of those three consistently right we would probably be hosting a semi-final. All three need to be examined at some point though.

    Still, mighty proud of our boys.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.06.11 12:19:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 25) : ja true… the difference between finishing 4th and finishing 6th was huge… and ultimately, we have only ourselves to blame for that one. The Lions draw and the failure to fins a bonus point against the Cheetahs and Tahs mostly to blame there.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.06.11 12:28:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : That’s the Sharks way of doing it. Always making it hard for themselves.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.06.11 12:34:37 by Ben Reply
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  • Ice used lines from frank sinatra’s “I did it my way”,so it seems fair to sum up this with lines from. Roger whitaker classic:”no,I don’t believe in if anymore,if is for children,if’s an illusion.”

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.06.11 12:56:13 by bergshark Reply

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  • Exept for “if the ref onlyt was fair in our play-off game,what might have been..?”

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.06.11 12:59:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ernie (Comment 14) : Robdylan wrote a whole article on how that LOSS was a “BLESSING IN DISGUISE” i had such a laugh that day, and the Twickenham game was looming πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.06.11 13:02:44 by Megatron Reply

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  • Losing vs chiefs was a huge blow:-( and we had opportunities to score bonus point try vs blues (there is 4 points or a win),and,and,and,if,if,if.:-(

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.06.11 13:21:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • What is non-negotiable is winning home games

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.06.11 13:22:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • And vs stormers and bulls at home we came away with ZERO points on the log..that is NILL.not even 1 ,but 0 .

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.06.11 13:24:02 by bergshark Reply

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  • helooo πŸ˜›

    I can point out few things that were doable and at the end cost us, which are:

    1. loosing within 7 BP in the Crusaders game (if only JLP didn’t decide to forget kicking this season) – 1 point

    (that alone would mean finishing above Tahs and playing Blues not Crusaders)

    2. We should have won at least one game against Stormers – the home one – 4 points

    (that alone would mean home quarter)

    3. We should beat the Bulls at home but then again we should not beat them at Loftus so these two cancell each other out.

    4. Under no circumstances we could leave Coke Tin without 5 points πŸ˜•

    If we get these 1+4+3 we would be sitting in Durbs and waiting for whoever wins quarters.

    Pity : and especially in the season that saw the Sharks getting so many 4tries BPs. I guess you can’t have everything πŸ™„

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.06.11 13:30:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek: you want an easier 1 point? After the hooter pk vs bulls at home.sadly,missed:-( easiest one point I can think of from the top of my head.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.06.11 13:43:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • @rekinek: guess the coaching staff can take these arguments and exonerate themselves from any blame as to why sharks finished where they did:-( but the point is:sharks shouldve been the dominant team in this comp(yes,the dominant team out of all 15 teams) if we had the coaches_ thinkers,visionaries,students _.

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.06.11 13:48:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 32) : The danger signs were already evident in the pre-season warm-up games when both the Stormers and Lions thrashed us. Then we continued to plod along with the same shocking lack of a decent game plan for the entire competition until we inevitably got put out of our misery.

    And we had a relatively easy draw. Consider this from you team, the Crusaders (From the Sydney Morning Herald):

    “THE Crusaders remain on track to become the first sporting club to win a major title without being able to play in their home city, having qualified for the Super Rugby semi-finals after demolishing the Sharks in a qualifier on Saturday.

    Their story is one of courage, resilience and the overcoming of enormous obstacles – another of which awaits this weekend as they fly to Cape Town, where the Stormers are well rested from their week off.

    The Crusaders’ season lay in disarray when the Christchurch earthquake struck, killing 181 of their city’s people and leaving their home ground of AMI Park in a tattered mess. They cancelled their following game against the Hurricanes – sharing the points – and have been travelling from Nelson to Wellington to Twickenham in England to play their home games.

    The players still live in Christchurch and many have conceded being unable to sleep due to regular aftershocks. They have had to catch ferries and even charter a DC-3 plane to travel to matches.

    Against those odds, the Crusaders managed to finish top of the New Zealand conference and then win their qualifying final after going behind early to the Sharks.

    But nothing has come easy for them this year and that continues with the task of flying to South Africa. They have been punished for topping their group, considering the Blues, who finished second in the Kiwi conference and fourth overall, only have to travel to Brisbane to play their semi-final against the Reds.”

    Now that’s the kind of guts, which leads to movies being made, should they lift the cup.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.06.11 13:50:37 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark:they forgot to mention the kindness of a certain bryce lawrence..and from waht I heard,the refereeing bosses were in agreement that dewald duvenhage’s try in ct (after the quick saders throw-in was intercepted-ref pollock didn’t play advantage to the stormers).so,fairy tale..hmmm?

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.06.11 13:56:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 40) : Every good fairytale contains a bit of luck as does every ‘against the odds’ winning season

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.06.11 14:33:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin:sorry,forgot to email you- a friend of mine managed to get hold of the sharks vs bulls game.thank you very much for willing to help.much appreciated !:-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.06.11 14:40:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 42) : Hey no prob! I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet so that what I’ll be doing this evening. Enjoy!

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.06.11 14:43:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 20) : In fairness Puma, they couldn’t have left on the Sunday because Joburg airport was closed because of the ash cloud stuff-up to all flights. I was with the team after the Bulls match and know how much they wanted to get going… Mother Nature gave them a big fat finger. They only managed to get the flight on Tuesday after the all clear from Sydney and ended up being delayed because the winds changed and Sydney airport closed.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.06.11 14:58:02 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 40) : um, if you want to be pedantic, don’t forget to quickly how marius jonker “looked away” as the sharks killed/sealed the ball ruck after ruck against the cheetahs! and even WORSE oupa terblache stood offside and literally slapped the ball down thus preventing it to go to the cheetahs players who had something like a 4-man overlap! and oupa was NOT yellow-carded for a DELIBERATE infringement in the RED ZONE…

    remember willem alberts shoulder-charging ashley johnson WITHOUT the ball? is he a vuilgat like sonny bill williams has been called since saturday?

    fallback pardner! πŸ˜•

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.06.11 14:58:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron:adriaan strauss did not put macleod down safely when he tackled him-first half(macleod breaks blind-side in sharks 22m and runs straight into strauss).strauss red card?cheetahs without their inspirational leader for rest of 2nd and some bit of first half?that incident happened right in-front of touch judge.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.06.11 15:05:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron: but I didn’t just mention the sharks vs saders ,I also mentioned the weepee stormers vs saders.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.06.11 15:07:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • Honestly – is there anything to be gained from going over and over the mistakes we made in the SupeRugby campaign? Other than prolonging the feelings of complete frustration/anger/bitterness/disapppointment/sadness?
    And are we, as fans and supporters, the only ones to feel these emotions? Don’t the players and management feel them too? Or do we have sole bragging rights on being gutted that the Sharks didn’t do better?
    So, what do we do? Wallow in the pit of over-analysis or pick ourselves up, get back on the freaking horse and show some gumption? It’s over. Done and dusted. Now let’s move on to the Currie Cup. And support our boys who have a chance to do something special in Green and Gold… We’re not going to achieve anything like this…

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.06.11 15:07:51 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron: seems as if some bloggers have been pointing out sbw’s dirty play tendencies since the shoulder charge on kanko at twickenham.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.06.11 15:09:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • To just move on to the currie cup without looking back at what went wrong_and right-wont be the smartest thing.need to go over the campaign as a whole just as one would over one game.need to find out what went wrong so as to work on those short-comings.need to see what we did right.so as to ensure that we get better.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.06.11 15:14:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 48) : no! you write a razzle dazzle article about precious – did a mention the giddiness – being in lambie’s presence after the bulls game and how the team tried the best and that’s all you can ask of them etc etc πŸ˜›

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.06.11 15:15:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @sharonvanwyk:I’m not wallowing in a pit of despair ..”Losing doesn’t make me want to quit,it makes me want to come fight that much harder.”But you need to also come back smarter.”The good general only goes to war once the battle is won”.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.06.11 15:18:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 51) : ? Megs, baby, you have me confused… Who’s precious? And Lambie was in MY presence after the Bulls game… Who do you think was more impressed? πŸ˜€

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.06.11 15:20:14 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 52) : I’m not accusing anyone in particular, dude! πŸ˜† I’m just saying that raking over the hot coals only ends up burning stuff… and using up time which could be spent in more positive pursuits – like starting a whole new fire altogether! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.06.11 15:22:03 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 53) : 😳 lol, sorry baby i was typing too fast without reading, it should’ve read “write a razzle dazzle article about how precious it was to be in Lambie’s presence” 😎

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.06.11 15:31:30 by Megatron Reply

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  • Good points Sharon. My sentiments exactly…..but stick around because its soon going to be those gutted players/management that are going to be the sole reason of why we did not win the Super 15 and it wont always be said in a complimentary way either. Thats the way it is…. sadly.

    Theres the challenge fellow bloggers, prove me wrong, please.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.06.11 15:33:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 48) : disagree… if we fail to reflect, we fail to learn. And failing to learn is the single biggest weakness I see in the current Sharks setup.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.06.11 15:39:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid: something has to be wrong ( not like bryce lawrence was ref in all our games πŸ˜‰ :-D).

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.06.11 15:40:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) : Sammy… we’ve been over this.

    I fear I’m never going to be able to run the cheerleading-only site that you want me to πŸ™

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.06.11 15:40:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nobodies asking you to be cheerleaders, but that doessnt mean that players need to be tared and feathered for the sake of it or for personal reasons. Keep it constructive. Like I say I will be happy to be proved wrong but knowing the trend its not going to be long before individuals are going to be targeted with overboard opinions.

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.06.11 15:45:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : please can I ask you to help me police it, then, by directly pointing out comments that you consider to be unfairly personal towards players? Even if I make them? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.06.11 15:51:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid: agree,some criticism of players does have a nasty personal sting to it unfortunately πŸ™ I have not met any of the current sharks players or do I know them on a personal level,so I try and not do that.but shortcomings in a player’s game must be identified(but not in crude language).hopefully the coaches and player can also do this and work together at becoming better.my biggest gripe is with the coaches,because if a scrummy doesn’t have a passing game(totally unbelievable when you think about it),then surely there must be some fundamentals of passing he is not doing right .then the coaches must identify and work with the player to correct it.and also have a look at what is happening at rucks,type of ball he is getting from scrums,line-outs.perhaps looking at one problem 1ill let you identify so many more.and working on all those then will make the total sum of the team so much much more .

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.06.11 15:59:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Does “Go Plum” ring a bell. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.06.11 16:03:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : No problem, Ill get Stef to tweet you.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.06.11 16:05:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 62) : I really dont think anyone attached to the Sharks (or any other team) would take exception to constructive criticism.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.06.11 16:08:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : Spot on.

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.06.11 16:16:46 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 63) : I’m within my rights to believe that the Sharks need a change of head coach…

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.06.11 16:19:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 63) : let me just point out that you have a ridiculously good memory when it comes to the stuff I say…. can you elaborate a little further on that one, cos I don’t remember the exact wording or context.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.06.11 16:25:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Would have been nice to see full houses at all the sharks home games this season(and in previous one’s).wonder how much that has an effect on letting young players go?if we had that extra money from our home games to budget with,might have been able to put it to use to put those guys in the clubs and giving them a junior contract or something.
    What has the average attendance been at the shark tank for 2006-2011 super rugby games only?

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.06.11 16:25:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • One’s should read ones

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.06.11 16:26:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • Salmo… reckon you’ll like this…

    http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/sportsvibeTV-videos/rugby/james-haskell-loses-it/

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.06.11 16:55:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : on the scale of treating players badly, that is right at the one end, Where do you see Sharksworld (and me particularly) on that scale?

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.06.11 16:56:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : There’s nothing wrong with reflection, and serious consideration of shortfalls in performance… but we are supporters and fans and while we may be gifted with extraordinary incite we are not in direct control of the fate of our team… Unless Plum and Reece are moonlighting here as bloggers? πŸ˜†
    I love this site, with an absolute passion, and love the Sharks even more, and am as disappointed as the next oke in Black and White when we lose… But I try very hard not to let it colour anything else, especially my judgment!
    Occasionally I fail (as was demonstrated last week after the Bulls match) and fail spectacularly – but if there’s one thing that my considerable number of years on this planet and the rather kak things that have happened to me have taught me, it’s that there is absolutely no point in crying over spilt milk. And that not all milk is spoilt in the spilling.!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.06.11 17:14:10 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @sharonvanwyk:”we as fans are not in direct control of the team”.then maybe it is time we are,I say..! πŸ˜€

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.06.11 17:18:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • @sharonvanwyk:”unless plum and reece are moonlighting here as bloggers..” Well,if they did,imagine how much they’d have learnt by now ..! Hehe πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.06.11 17:20:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 73) : I’m not crying, Shazza-me-love… I’m trying to come to an understanding about what went wrong so we can FORCE those in control to take notice and fix things.

    Where were you when Bob Dylan was singing his mighty protest songs? Sitting indoors with your parents complaining about the noise?

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.06.11 17:23:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : No. Trying to drown him out with Hendrix! Give me sex, drugs and rock and roll any day over politics! :mrgreen:
    (The tongue is firmly in the cheek, people!) πŸ˜†
    @bergshark (Comment 74) : Can you imagine the Sharks assylum taken over by us lunatics!!!
    Bags I be fitness trainer! Complete with stilettos, whips and chains! :mrgreen: πŸ˜›

  • Comment 77, posted at 27.06.11 17:30:53 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 77) : Phew… the images that conjures up are pretty awesome…! Methinks I must have a look for my thigh-high boots and leather corset and head off to Kings Park’s gym (for which read Gorgeous Young Men)! πŸ˜›

  • Comment 78, posted at 27.06.11 17:33:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 78) : oh my goodness…

    they’re moving Lambo into witness protection as we speak πŸ™‚

  • Comment 79, posted at 27.06.11 17:33:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • “The times they are a changing”.. Well maybe not at the shark tank if past experience is anything to go by…;-) πŸ˜€

  • Comment 80, posted at 27.06.11 17:35:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : Bwaaaaaa! Classic!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 27.06.11 17:35:34 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : Scuse me while I wrestle my cougar back into her cage…. ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 27.06.11 17:36:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : Found my riding crop, jodhpurs and riding boots… That could work! :mrgreen: I used to look very demure in them…! πŸ˜†

  • Comment 83, posted at 27.06.11 17:39:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • OK. Normal service has been resumed. The cougar is back in her cage and under control once more. The Boys can breathe again… πŸ˜†

  • Comment 84, posted at 27.06.11 17:43:42 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Losing at home cost us in the end.no getting past that fact.and what is more,we didn’t get even one point from the two home games we lost (shock).so that is where it is at if we are looking for reasons why we had to travel to the other side of the world.

  • Comment 85, posted at 27.06.11 20:15:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • i think it would of been a all different ball game if that dame ref didn’t spill so much on our team πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 86, posted at 27.06.11 20:34:28 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz: totally agree with you..! We couldve done the job if not for that (angry face).I’m serious: we had the much hyped saders rattled.but if doesn’t count πŸ™

  • Comment 87, posted at 27.06.11 20:39:06 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 87) : even my hubby which is a Cheetah said Sharks must do sth about that game

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.06.11 20:41:18 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Hi rob, sorry for only getting back now. I think your exact words were “Go Plum”, it was in the run up to the Loftus game and it was posted in an unrelated (to the Loftus game)thread.

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.06.11 09:04:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 89) : well, I don’t really consider that an unprovoked personal attack.

    Had I said “go Plum you useless f**kwit”, then maybe… but I stand by my comment above that I’m well within my rights to believe that the Sharks need a change of head coach.

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.06.11 09:10:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob, you are right. Thinking about it rationally, this is your site and you can do and say what you feel. For some reason I keep thinking of this site as akin to the official Sharks site. This is probably because it came into being when that site shut down its comments facilities and also because many of those posters on that site migrated across to this site. The reality though is that your site is just that, yours, and not an or the official Sharks site and you therefore certainly dont need some fool telling you how to run your own show.

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.06.11 09:57:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : Salmo – I don’t consider you a fool… not at all.

    Yours is an opinion that I value and respect and I only really act out when I feel that you don’t consider my opinion worthy of the same treatment.

    It’s quite possible that I’m going overboard and reading too much into things, in which case I apologise unreservedly.

    Fact is, though, we desperately need you and your like-minded fans to bring balance to the force!

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.06.11 10:00:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thanks Rob, Im going nowhere and will still give my opinions but will try and temper my way of doing it.
    For what its worth I think all opinions are valuable and are made with conviction but are sometimes delivered without the subjects feelings in mind.

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.06.11 10:37:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 93) : yes – I agree with that completely and I acknowledge that I sometimes (often?) overstep the line in my fits of pique!

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.06.11 11:00:08 by robdylan Reply
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