The ref was kak – let’s get over it

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 29 Jun 2011 at 10:36
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I feel that we as Sharks supporters need to move on from the Bryce Lawrence debacle and rather concentrate on the factors that are within our own sphere of control.

Plenty of newspaper columns and blog inches have been devoted to the perceived failings of Mr Lawrence in Saturday’s one-sided Super Rugby knock-out fixture, but few of those doing the complaining would go so far as to suggest that the Sharks actually would have won against the Crusaders had there been a fairer or more competent referee in charge of the game. That aspect alone tends to move the comments about Lawrence away from the territory of “righteous indignation” and far closer to what I would call “whingeing”.

Let’s look back at Super Rugby history. Or, in fact, SANZAR history. We’ve had shocking referees making shocking calls against our teams before (just as, I’m sure the Kiwis and Aussies feel the same has happened to them). You cannot do anything to change that fact after the game (as the Kiwis… despite their protestations about Wayne Barnes, last time I checked South Africa are still the 2007 Rugby World Cup holders), nor can you control which ref you’re going to get and how he’s going to see the game.

What you can do, though, is give yourself the best possible chance of winning by playing at home and by maintaining impeccable standards of conduct on the field. Some of Bryce’s decisions were questionable, sure, but he didn’t get all of them wrong. He wasn’t the one committing silly off-sides and breakdown offences on Saturday – it was the Sharks doing that. I’ve always maintained that, if playing away from home under a foreign ref, you need to play at least 15% better in order to take the referee out of the contest. Simpler, though, as mentioned above, is to ensure you’re delivering consistent results throughout the season, so that you don’t end up in freezing cold Nelson, trying to salvage your season against a team of 16 kiwis.


  • Imagine if you did not get the best ref in the competition! 😉

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.06.11 10:41:30 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Well said.

    I was just soooo disappointed Saturday. All that travel, good start, unable to build momentum. Lose.

    Still sucks.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.06.11 10:41:48 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Yes, the ref was kak and made many mistakes (if the mistakes were taken out, the penalty count both ways would have been the same


    We still wouldn’t have won. The Crusaders were just too good on the day.

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.06.11 10:44:55 by Butchie34 Reply
  • even if marius jonker were the ref, we wouldn’t have won it. we were well below par on saturday. i watched the game again and a big problem for me was that freddie was lying to deep and the saders defence caught him way before the advantage line and that is why we could not get any momentum. as bad as it was this weekend, i’m still proud of the boys. at least we made the play-offs. now i can’t wait for the currie cup to get started

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.06.11 10:48:38 by jovner Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 3) : wouldn’t say too good… just too much better than we were

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.06.11 10:48:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Mcleod called into the Bok group!

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.06.11 10:51:44 by PTAShark Reply
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  • The argument could have been made that the ref disrupted any momentum we might have been gaining with those silly penalties but if you look at the second half the travel caught up with us and we fell away.

    It might have been a different case if we were back in Durban (other than there being more than 10,000 spectators), BUT we only have ourselves to blame for not getting a home semi or playoff match.

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.06.11 10:52:42 by Butchie34 Reply
  • Fair comment. Time to move on.

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.06.11 10:54:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 6) : I wouldn’t read anything into it. He’s been called up in place of Ricky Januarie and he only retired from international rugby because PDivvy told him he wasn’t going to make it to NZ.

    That means that Charl is only making up the numbers.

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.06.11 10:54:27 by Butchie34 Reply
  • See McLeod is called up for the preliminary squad for the Boks.

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.06.11 11:09:34 by Puma Reply

  • I think we have all accepted we would have lost even if we had a good ref.

    Just not happy that Bryce Lawrence can ref the final. Other refs during this tourney that messed up got dropped for a game or two. So why was Bryce NOT dropped to ref the final 😕

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.06.11 11:14:29 by Puma Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 9) : correct assessment, in my opinion

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.06.11 11:21:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 11) : because he only really got 2 penalties wrong… let’s be honest here.

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.06.11 11:21:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • are there still fans moaning about Bryce? bwahahaha 😆 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.06.11 11:42:06 by Megatron Reply

  • Even if the ref was blatently on our side we would have lost. After all, he wasn’t the one missing the tackles, dropping the ball or running around like a headless chicken.

    Really don’t understand how some people are still “ganing aan” about it. 🙄

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.06.11 11:52:52 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I can’t believe how much people are harping on about the ref. As much as it pains me to say it, the Sharks just weren’t good enough on the day. The Sharks have the talent to beat the top teams but they can’t string a decent enough performance together to do it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.06.11 12:16:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • 😯
    A lot of people making reference to others going on about the ref. Who is still moaning because I cant see the comments. In fact I thought this game was already dead and burried.

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.06.11 12:37:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • For a time on the field no-one was much good to be honest. I mean for Pete’s sake, we gave a penalty away like 30 secs into the game? 🙄 Nah, lets push for some management ”improvements”. Much better idea.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.06.11 12:40:57 by Caratacus Reply

  • Are there Sharks fans still whining about this? Haven’t noticed many. ❓

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.06.11 12:42:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) : check out the number of stories on other sites about this… including rugby365.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.06.11 12:44:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ok, but at least not here.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.06.11 12:58:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • One call can change a game,so we will never know what could have,would have.

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.06.11 13:33:24 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • 4 years on and we still going on about walsh and THAT call he never made .or his touch judge.

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.06.11 13:39:35 by bergshark Reply

  • Sorry to disagree on the ref being just plain K?K. I personally believe he was biased. This observation was made within the first 5 minutes. From the kick off, a penalty to Saders for coming in from the side. Check to see how many penalties were given for this same offence during the game. From the Sharks kick-off Saders knock on. The ball went through two sets of hands and Sharks knocked on. What ever happened to the advantage rule. Sharks penalised twice for off-sides. Saders not once in the game……….to many incidents to recall where Saders horribly off side. The now infamous dangerous scrum. The SBW oscar. And so on and so on…….. Having played representative sport before, if you’re being nailed like the Sharks were eventually you do become deflated and the second wind doesn’t happen. Fornicating Under the Consent of the King’s sake, we were screwed by yet another individual masquerading as a ref.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.06.11 15:32:38 by Bayshark Reply

  • And on another subject, especially for those of you who have made comments, How the hell does Keegan not get chosen in place of Stegman. Yes he is one of my favourite all time players, because of his skill and commitment. STill voted as U21 player of the year ahead of beefcake Spies. Wonder what would have happened if O’Conner was a Saffie????????

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.06.11 15:36:39 by Bayshark Reply

  • @Bayshark (Comment 25) : That my friend is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.06.11 16:03:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bayshark (Comment 24) : By not moaning about the ref anymore does not mean that I think he was right or fair. I agree with your sentimnents and said it after the game that it must have been heartbreaking for the Sharks (after that dangerous scrum call) to realise that this guy will nail them come hell or high water.
    But its over now.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.06.11 16:15:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • OK, since I have not posted since the match until today, and have yet to say anything about the refereeing, I just have to say this. It was actually quite funny on the dangerous play penalty that Bryce was going to blow the whistle no matter what, and call the Sharks for some penalty, but he got a little ahead of himself, and when Jannie crouched, Ole Brycie jumped the gun and blew the whistle, then he had to say something to account for his whistle blowing. Hence the “you moved….dangerous play”. The only time anyone in the Sharks front row moved was to crouch at the call of the referee. What a complete and total cock up by the referee in that case, but actually quite funny if you can get past how it hurt the Sharks.

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.06.11 18:56:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bayshark:welcome to sharksworld ( I’m sure it is the first time I’ve read a comment from you..?if I’m wrong,well,then still good evening @Bayshark ).

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.06.11 19:39:58 by bergshark Reply

  • I think if we al thought lets not complain because its all done and dusted, then idiots like Brycie will just carry on being biased. I think he was being petulant with the dangerous scrum incident because Terblanche had questioned him earlier. Also why are only SA blogs the only ones questioning Brycie, bugger all is being said here in NZ?? If Sanzar wants to grow Super Rugby they need to look at how refs are influencing the game. And Paddy (IRB) needs to be more transparent ie. why does he only come out a critisize non Kiwi refs when they have performed badly. I don’t see SA’s complaining about Pro being demoted, because we know he was bad. Even the Kiwi comentators aknowledged that Brycie was being petulant in a profesional game. So how come Paddy is silent? If he came out and acknowledged pooor performance ( and come on everybody has a bad day at the office) so it shouldn’t be counter productive, this would stop the rest of us complaining adnausium (sp?).

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.06.11 22:13:39 by Dynamite Reply

  • @Dynamite (Comment 30) : Ian if you ask me the New Zealanders are embarrased about it. Turning a blind eye and all makes him a decent ref at the end of the day. The same would have applied to Pro if we turned a blind eye.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.06.11 09:28:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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