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Hearing is believing


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 3 Jul 2011 at 10:37
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Last night’s game will leave Stormers fans with a familiar feeling; ‘So close, yet so far’…

You will find a lot of brutal assessments of last night’s game in the media this morning.  They will highlight how diabolical the Stormers were on the night, how they were humiliated in the set pieces and at the ruck, and how this is all too familiar for a team that always promises a lot, but delivers nothing.

This is not one such assessment.

Not that I think any of what you will read is untrue, because they were humiliated in just about every aspect of the game, and all the criticism leveled at them today will mostly be well deserved for the 80 minutes of rubbish they dished up in front of their home crowd of over 48 000 people.  The reason that I am not focusing on that is because as much as a season can, and often is, defined through 80 minutes of rugby, teams should not be.

At some point in the post match interview the question was asked whether the Stormers, given this is a World Cup year and player losses are inevitable, will be looking to recruit high profile players?

It was a valid question, not only in light of players that are leaving like Francois Louw and Anton van Zyl, but also in light of the fact that the 80 minutes that just played itself out in front of everyone, showed just how far behind a team like the Stormers are compared to the Crusaders in terms of structures, depth and experience – all ingredients necessary to win those games (semi’s and finals) that matters to supporters who want trophies.

The reaction was interesting.

The Stormers could go out and buy these players, or to cut down all the BS, they can go out and ‘buy trophies’ to satisfy fans, but what’s the point in that?

Why ‘undo’ all the hard work this union has done over the last 2 years just to satisfy what would be a short term victory and not long term success?

We (the media and fans) have become so focused on short term victories that we forget long term success cannot be bought, it is achieved and earned.  Achieved and earned through lessons learned and growing up.  Achieved and earned through victories, as-well as defeats.  Achieved and earned through building something special.

A couple of years ago Luke Watson sat in his last post match press conference and told the media that he and his coaches and players know the media will write what they want, and none of them can change that, they cannot wave a magic wand and make the media, and therefore the fans who read what is written, suddenly understand what they are trying to achieve as a team, or how much they hurt, even more than fans, whenever they lose a game or fail in a campaign.

His parting words were that something special is being created within Western Province and Stormers rugby, something myself and everyone present quietly laughed off as another excuse or a call for needing to be patient.  Last night, on reflecting what has happened throughout the Stormers season and taking in the words spoken by Jean de Villiers and Allister Coetzee, I actually understood what he meant all those years back.

You see, mercenary recruitment could have avoided the Stormers having had to call on their 5th choice scrumhalf last night, or their 8th choice loose-forward during the week.  We could have seen a far more experience flyhalf on tour than Coleman or even a more experienced center or wing than Sadie.  A more experienced lock than Elstadt might have seen the Stormers have a much more solid scrum!  All of that could have well contributed to the Stormers winning that elusive silverware, but then what?  What of the next campaign where those players will move on or retire?  Do we just keep on replacing those departing with whoever is willing to take his place if the money is right?  Does that even guarantee success?

Two things made a massive impression on me last night.

Not only is this Crusaders team bloody awesome on the field, they are equally awesome off it!  Never have I personally experienced such humility in victory from what obviously are super talented individuals.

It was not the smug, fake or clichéd humility you will normally find from a team, coach or captain that just dished out one of the biggest hidings on a rugby pitch to a team believed to be favourites over them – but it was a genuine humility you will only find from people who understand not only themselves, but their surroundings.  References to team mates, and how special they are and how much each individual contributes to what we see for 80 minutes each Saturday was aplenty.  Fact is, the Crusaders are not just a winning team, they are a winning brand, with a winning culture.

It is easy to see why people fall in love with this team so easily.

That was the first thing.  The second thing was seeing for the first time how much this loss hurt the Stormers coach and the players.  Perhaps it was the first time they actually felt this hurt that made it so obvious, or perhaps it was me who finally saw just how much this means to them too…

At one point the coach tried to offer (valid) excuses for the performance on the night, but he soon stopped that because he knew it meant nothing, we (the media) will write what we want.  Jean de Villiers, sitting through obvious physical pain from being smashed for 80 minutes also tried to be diplomatic and keep a straight face, but as he walked off following the official press conference, he gestured to a couple of us standing in a corner that his heart (emotionally) is hurting the most.

We do not want to hear excuses about injuries, inexperience, learning curves and 2 or 5 year plans, we write (and read) what we want to even if all of that is extremely valid and has a direct bearing on victory or defeat.

We do not want to hear about next year, we want to hear about now and why you (again) failed.  We are not interested in hearing your excuses, we want answers.

But perhaps therein lies the problem…  As much as we ‘hear’ what coaches and players are telling us, we do not ‘listen’, which then comes as no surprise how Allister at one point all but gave up in trying to offer points of reason (for us, excuses).

I keep on preaching how rugby is the sum of parts, and it cannot be better explained with how the Stormers might have failed for 80 crucial minutes on the park last night, but how their campaign for the last 4 months, was a massive success.  The again, you might just hear what I am telling you…


69 Comments

  • Good article Morne, actually made me sad for a moment there. Don’t worry the moment was very brief and I was back to my “Sharks would have done a better job” attitude! 😈

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.07.11 11:43:42 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 1) :

    Haha, this might highlight the Stormers specifically, but I reckon it applies to most teams, including the Sharks…

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.07.11 11:49:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) : It was a terrible performance. I never even finished watching the game!! Busy reading all the match reviews in the media right now. That gutted feeling from Jean De Villiers and the Stormers is translated well even through the computer screen!

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.07.11 11:58:20 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • morne has it become a mental block surely?how do u go finishing second..having a week off and still playing so kak..

    Its all good and well that the structures in place are taking time and all that but there some world class players out there who just can’t finish the job come knock outs..n it worries me in terms of springboks

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.07.11 12:11:57 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 4) : Jean De Villiers and Jaque Fourie looked like lost pups on the field yesterday. Sony Bill Williams and Robbie Fruen triumph yet again… 😐

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.07.11 12:21:01 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 5) : its worrying..schalk always goes for line outs when he can get 3 pointers..done it 3 times n came off second best..

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.07.11 12:47:47 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 6) : Memories of the 2010 Currie Cup final… Though is worked on our (The Sharks) favour. 😆

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.07.11 12:53:39 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 7) : Good grief I don’t know where my English went there! 🙄
    is = it
    on = in

    Damn I sounded like a Bulls supporter their for a moment! 😆

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.07.11 12:54:48 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 4) :

    There was no focus, no question about that.

    Saders were super focused, Stormers had none.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.07.11 12:59:25 by Morné Reply
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  • Regarding the “buying the big names”. stormers already bought Habana and Fourie and let’s not forget they brought in Brits for the last night game. Add to it Schalk and de Villiers and Juan de Jongh is also a star – maybe not yet WC winning bok but definitely great player.
    Stormers have enough big names to match Crusaders.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.07.11 14:02:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 6) : yip – i also thought that was weird – especially with Grant’s kicking ratio (85%). Plus the Stormers having few lineouts stolen.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.07.11 14:08:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • Apparently the Stormers are the first semi-finalists to lose at home since they lost to Otago back in 1999.

    The unfortunate thing is that just like in 1999, all the hard work and good performances during the campaign are now brushed aside and the season is remembered for one below par showing which resulted in an agonising defeat at the hands of a NZ opponent.

    Fact: In the eyes of the viewing public, the weight of 1 semi-final defeat is greater than a whole season worth of good work. That’s why when push comes to shove, it doesn’t surprise me that teams opt to bring in big names like Brits and Michalak ahead of inexperienced youngsters.

    Another thing that became apparent this season is that when SW bloggers talked about teams having quality depth, right at the start of the season, they weren’t kidding.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.07.11 14:30:31 by beet Reply
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  • Thanks for a very good read Morne.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.07.11 14:38:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 12) : you are as good as your last game 🙄

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.07.11 14:39:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • I must say last nights performance was a bid worrying in regards to the 3N and WC later this year, we should see that only a performance like the one the sharks had against the bulls will get us past the all-blacks coming WC time. And that has to be reserved for that opportunity… We have to play our cards right…

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.07.11 14:44:37 by franshark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) : hey dude you at the game last night?

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.07.11 14:46:16 by franshark Reply
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  • guilford, dagg, sbw, berquist & fruean are not products of the canterbury youth structures, they were expertly cherry picked from other unions and were seen to be talented enough to flourish in the crusaders “culture”/set up. so in my mind a question about purchases is NOT about “buying glory”. if that is the case the crusaders then have equally purchased their success this year.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.07.11 15:31:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 17) :

    Why would they have chosen the Crusaders above any other NZ franchise?

    Money?

    Culture?

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.07.11 15:36:44 by Morné Reply
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  • Morné, yet another excellent and thought provoking article. The telling statement, and crux of the article for me is that although the Saturday’s game was a failure, the season as a whole has been a huge success.

    Looking back over the season it is easy to appreciate the magnitude of what has been achieved:

    Firstly, the Stormers topped the local conference, and came second overall after the league stages. On the way to achieving that they conceded the tournament’s fewest tries, and beat all the other South African teams, including two convincing wins against the Sharks, both home and away, and a victory against the Bulls at Loftus. While they may have lost to the Bulls at Newlands, I am of the opinion that in terms of effect on self-belief and confidence, and victory at Loftus far outstrips a home loss to the Bulls.

    Furthermore, the Stormers have had their depth tested thoroughly in most critical positions, often beyond second and third choice players. What has been particularly encouraging has been that most of the backup players have come though the age-group structures, and have mostly not looked out of place on the big stage. It has also been fairly clear that most of the players had a clear idea of where they stood in the pecking order, and what their specific roles were.

    Lastly, given where they have come from, the Stormers have reached the semis of all three the most recent competitions they have participated in, and in two instances gone on to the finals.

    Issues of concern, for me as an impartial observer, has been the failure to convert those opportunities into silverware. I think supporters are probably making more of an issue of this than it needs be, but past experience with the Sharks has also shown that this needs to be handled correctly, or it can start to undermine the players’confidence. The biggest worrying factor to me would be the lack of composure and sense of panic exuded by the players in those games.

    Secondly, I believe there is still siginificant room for improvement in terms of player management with regards to their workload. Duane Vermeulen, Francois Louw and Andries Beker were all overplayed, and while it is probably not possible to ascribe Vermeulen’s injury to this, the fact is that fatigued players are more likely to injure themselves.

    Thirdly, the lack of attacking flair, which has always been a hallmark of Stormers rugby is rather perplexing.

    Lastly, with regards to the issue of captaincy, I am of the opinion that Schalk Burger, while an extravagantly gifted player, is not a good captain. The decision to not kick at posts, particularly in lieu of Peter Grant’s 85% success rate, beggars belief. Had they gone over, the halftime score could have been 16-15 to the Stormers, and the game could have had a different complexion.

    All things accounted for though, when above is compared to the situation in Durban, then it is clear to me that the Capetownians have a lot more to be upbeat about than we do at the moment.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.07.11 15:56:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 19) :

    Thanks buddy, and you raise some very interesting points. I will do a more technical analysis later in the week which addresses those issues.

    I think the Stormers got plenty wrong, not just last night but throughout the season. But more on that later in the week.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.07.11 16:32:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : Certainly, the Stormers still have a bunch of things they can improve on. I’m just bemused by the “the Sharks would have done better on Saturday and is therefore a better team” attitude I have detected in certain quarters. Talk about missing the boat… 🙄

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.07.11 17:01:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 21) :

    Haha, those are just supporters fighting for bragging rights, don’t worry too much about that – I reckon it is all mostly done in good spirits.

    Fact is, small things make a massive difference in the end.

    This does not only go for the Stormers and last night’s performance, but for all our teams.

    Don’t re-invent the wheel, just polish the mags every now and again! 😉

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.07.11 17:09:07 by Morné Reply
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  • I suppose,in defence of the saders,it is as if one finds oneself constantly saying,thinking,writing(in regards to their opponents):if there,whatabout there,why didn’t he..?thing is: they win.but when the bulls were winning,we were all anti-bulls.:-( so ,they had/have some not too pleasant characters in their fan base,but the rugby was best suMmed up :winning rugby.now it might be a long time till we find a team from sa that can emulate their success and composure.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.07.11 18:00:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • Okay,not all anti bulls but it was sad to see us supporting nz and aus teams when they played them 🙁 now there is this singing the praises of the saders 🙁
    It wouldve been great if the stormers couldve beaten the saders.hopefully the bok coaching staff now know how not to beat the allblacks.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.07.11 18:07:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : um, rugby culture. their contracts are with the nzru & not the cantab union so whatever financial rewards are irrelevant. everyone of thosr blokes know that there’s more of a chance that they will make a success ie make the all blacks when playing for tge saders because of their structures & pedigree than anywhere else in nz. can one say that about the current wp/stormers setup?

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.07.11 19:07:44 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : um, rugby culture. their contracts are with the nzru & not the cantab union so whatever financial rewards are irrelevant. everyone of thosr blokes know that there’s more of a chance that they will make a success ie make the all blacks when playing for the saders because of their structures & pedigree than anywhere else in nz. can one say that about the current wp/stormers setup?

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.07.11 19:08:27 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 25) :

    Well you basically answered the question yourself there. It is not just a case of the money on offer (of which Canterbury does pay their salaries as-well btw.) it is about the culture – and thats the point.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.07.11 19:10:57 by Morné Reply
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  • Interesting article Morne and I wholehearted agree. Up North the talk is ofcourse that the Bulls would’ve done the job 🙄

    I have a question for you because I see this as the Stormers biggest concern at the moment – is big match temperament coached? Or is it something that over time gradually forms part of a team’s culture? How is it nurtured?

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.07.11 21:49:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin: good question.also there was mention made of the stormers having hired a sports psychologist for this superrugby season.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.07.11 22:08:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin: this saders team looks better than the one that was beaten twice by the bulls last year.more importantly,this bulls team isn’t the same as that one from last year.but then,playing knock-out rugby at loftus (or the high veld) wouldve been more of a challenge than newlands and conditions the saders are accustomed to.but the stormers were the ones who played themselves into a position to host the saders at newlands,so well done to them for doing that.both the sharks and bulls can only say:what if?(Thinking of the home defeats suffered by both them vs stormers).

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.07.11 22:14:10 by bergshark Reply

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  • Truth be told:bulls teams of the past have shown some serious bmt in the superrugby comp.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.07.11 22:16:18 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Morne: wonder why schalk burger decided not to continue?heard he broke a finger,but he played 50 min of currie cup final rugby with a broken rib !(Shock). Can’t think a broken finger could be worse(albeit I’m no doctor and don’t know the extent of the injury).just wonder if it was not perhaps the disappointment of the first half that got the better of him?

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.07.11 22:23:11 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Morne: once again an intercept try takes the wind out of the sails of an sa team vs saders 🙁

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.07.11 22:24:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • I’m hearing you Morne, 😉

    Nice piece HH

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.07.11 07:33:40 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Do you think the Reds have any chance at all…or is it not worth even turning up! 🙄

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.07.11 07:34:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Can the All Black players keep this pace up for another 4 months. I am pleased the Bok teams are out. The Sharks and the Stormers have played two less games than the Crusaders. Great news for the Boks RWC aspirations. 160 or more minutes less rugby on the SA players may be the difference during the playoffs.

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  • @waje (Comment 36) : 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.07.11 08:13:26 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Source:Timeslive

    AN OFFER believed to be in excess of R25-million is on the table to induce the Golden Lions to move from their current Ellis Park home to Soccer City.

    The money,which has been offered by Stadium Management SA (SMSA),would come in the form of a hefty advance and a signing-on bonus –a situation confirmed by SMSA executive chairman Jacques Grobbelaar.

    The R25-million would only be a sweetener,says Grobbelaar,with a financial model already drawn up which would ultimately see hundreds of millions of rands coming the Lions’way.

    “Our offer –running to tens of millions of rands a year –is still on the table,”Grobbelaar said.

    “We’re happy to continue formally discussing things as we’ve been doing for months but we’re running out of time. We’re hoping to have the Lions playing at Soccer City by the third home match of the Currie Cup.”

    The SMSA offer will be tempting. The Lions’former equity partner,the Guma TAC Group,withdrew from a blighted equity deal with them this week,later alleging through documents leaked to the press that they were bankrupt.

    It is understood that this allegation is at least partly correct –the Guma group believe they are owed about R8-million and lawyers letters have been exchanged –although the allegation was refuted by Kevin de Klerk,the Lions president.

    “The letter contains untested claims and I can assure our supporters that the Golden Lions Rugby Union does not face bankruptcy –the very idea is news to us,”said De Klerk.

    The situation is complicated in that not only do the Lions and their fans have a sentimental attachment to Ellis Park but there are other parties whose wishes need to be respected if the Lions are to flee to the West.

    The Golden Lions are the major –but not the only –shareholders in Ellis Park World of Sport,the company who manages the Ellis Park precinct which also includes the Johannesburg Stadium and the Standard Bank Arena.

    The other shareholders in Ellis Park World of Sport are Interza.lesego,who hold a 30% stake and Orlando Pirates,who hold a 21% stake.

    Things are further complicated in that the City of Johannesburg spent R600-million before the World Cup. Despite its location it remains the home of rugby in Johannesburg,a fact eloquently made by Indarin Govender,a board member of Ellis Park World of Sport.

    “It has always been our vision that rugby should remain in its spiritual home,which is Ellis Park,and should do so with a sound business model that will make it a successful team,”he said.

    In so doing rugby will continue to play a key role in the regeneration of the inner city.”

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.07.11 08:45:05 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) : As long as that freak Cooper is on the field the Reds have a chance.

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.07.11 08:49:53 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 39) :

    I’d have to agree there ! 😎

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.07.11 08:58:51 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Nice article Morne.

    Allister Coetzee, to my mind, is being a little romantic with his building from within spiel and the following quote must surely be taken with a pinch of salt

    “Why ‘undo’ all the hard work this union has done over the last 2 years just to satisfy what would be a short term victory and not long term success?”

    Schalk Brits’ selection makes a mockery of that statement.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.07.11 09:01:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 36) : Actually the Crusaders will only have played one game more. Hurricanes vs Crusaders fixture were never played.

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.07.11 09:13:38 by Ben Reply
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  • Just went over to read a keo article;those guys dont know anything about rugby, srs. Its a joke . In the entire article he doesnt mention how PATHETIC their scrum was, that was where it started!

    One thing I have noticed is that while we boast about the benefits of our currie cup the benefits of having a Rugby league influence in your rugby union set up is huge, players like cooper and Sbw have bought attacking dimensions yet seen by any south african, even players like Carter seem flat footed or stale.

    But the Stormers loss was due to their t5 who should all be boks :/ ,loosies couldnt play well as a result. One wonders why a player like Britz was pulled in ,being an expansive player, when they should have opted for a prop or lock .The thing is when your t5 is getting obliterated you dont want your loosies to be running with the backline you want them doing the hard work .

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  • all too familiar for a team that always promises a lot, but delivers nothing.-could say the same about the sharks neh?feel for the stormers ,atleast i will be able to have a jab at them about cobwebs in trophy cabinets 😀

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.07.11 09:16:56 by Talent Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) :

    You will notice this article does not contain any direct quotes.

    It is merely an opinion piece and my personal perceptions.

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.07.11 09:19:31 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : Sorry did not notice that. Did I misread the article then?

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.07.11 09:22:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : I’ve got the recording if you want 😎

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.07.11 09:24:22 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : well the question still stands, are wp/stormers to make any purchases to bolster their title aspirations? and seemingly your answer to all of this is “they don’t need to purchase anyone, they can do it organically from within” – yet it’s fine for the crusaders to make purchases to bolster their squad to achieve success.

    i guess then the irritating bit in what was asked is the “high profile” bit. hehehe

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.07.11 09:38:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) : Schalk Brits for one game undoes ALL the other youngsters we brought in this year, wow 🙄

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.07.11 09:40:20 by molly Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) : My perception of the point of the article is not that Stormers are beyond reproach in how they have gone about their business, but that Saturday’s loss should not overshadow the good work that is being done.

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.07.11 09:40:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • As proud as I am of all the youngsters that came through and how high we finished on the log, I can’t help think that we didn’t really evolve our game, we didn’t get better throughout the competition, still looked rusty towards the end of the season, which for me is disappointing.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.07.11 09:45:25 by molly Reply
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  • Its still very promising to keep getting to the playoffs and hopefully we can build on that. If we do sign anyone, I hope its a replacement for Flouw, he was IMMENSE again on Saturday, we are going to miss him so.

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.07.11 09:47:37 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 52) : Jean was a broken man in the presser, wow, I seriously think he is still sulking in a dark room somewhere. Thing is it was nice to see how much it hurt, it shows how much it meant to him.

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  • @molly (Comment 49) : Im just pointing out that the selection of Brits flies totally in the face of what I believed were Allisters thoughts in the presser / the gist of this article, ie, its not necessary to buy in players. I mentioned previously that I thought bringing Brits in could have been a masterstroke albeit a dodgy one.

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.07.11 10:19:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) : Theres no point in blindly backing youth, you will end up like Arsenal.

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.07.11 10:26:11 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 50) : No doubt the Stormers have made immense strides especially in the last 2 years or so and they need to be commended on that but and its a huge but they have failed at 3 golden opportunities and I think that buying in the right players may just have addressed some of those shortcomings.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.07.11 10:26:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 55) : Exactly, buy in players by all means but then dont come out and say we will not look at short term solutions especially when exactly that has been done.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.07.11 10:33:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    Not at all, it is the feeling I picked up and one I agree with fully.

    @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 47) :

    I am too scared to ask for it, if it is anything like your photos I might need to change the whole article!!!

    @Megatron (Comment 48) :

    Haha, yeah mate I think that is the important bid, apart from struggling to think who they can purchase (high profile) I also do not see a need for it.

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.07.11 10:34:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 51) :

    Management is still not up to scratch. But it could be excused on the face of the competition and how its changed.

    Some players were simply played into the ground. Another interesting thing Coetzee did mention, is that they will need a squad of 40 players if they hope to be successful in this competition – all things obviously learned this year.

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.07.11 10:40:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : 😈 I’m going to throw something up later today.Not much pics this week, photographer got starstruck.

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.07.11 10:40:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 60) : I’m just upset with myself for taking this long to realise I can use my cellphone as a recorder.

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.07.11 10:41:04 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) :

    What about the team being in a crisis at the point of Brits being included is so foreign to anyone?

    We can list the laaities that have been brought through this year alone and it far outweighs one single inclusion which was done under very unique circumstances.

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.07.11 10:42:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 61) :

    Bwahahaha… 😈

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.07.11 10:43:57 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 60) : @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 61) :

    Why does that sound like there was somewhat of “misbehaving” going on??? Souns like my kinda article / gallery??

    I am waiting Claytie!! 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.07.11 10:51:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) :

    Haha… Nope… nothing happened… 😎

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.07.11 10:52:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : @Morné (Comment 65) : Moving along swiftly 😉

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.07.11 10:57:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Yeah….riiiiight…..AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT???? 😆

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.07.11 10:57:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 66) : hehehehe – I am not gonna let this one go!!! Verkeerder perd opgesaal hierso!

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.07.11 10:58:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : No problem with Brits’ inclusion – problem with saying we dont do short term when Brits was exactly that – short term.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.07.11 11:01:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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