Div is right

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 16 Aug 2011 at 09:02
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Peter de Villiers was, I feel, spot on when questioning the local media regarding their reaction (or rather, complete lack thereof) to the New Zealand Tri-Nations tour squad lacking around seven regular starters.

When the Bok coach was forced to take an understrength side to the Antipodes a few weeks back, due to the crippling injury list sustained during the ridiculously long Super Rugby season, he was labelled a pariah by the local media and accused of cheating by not selecting the strongest squad he could, in line with the stipulations in the SANZAR participation agreement. De Villiers and SARU stuck doggedly to the party line, insisting that the missing players were genuinely injured. That, I guess, is neither here nor there, although certain sections of the local media, whose motives and allegiances have already been questioned by this site, grabbed the opportunity to jump on the Kiwi-led bandwagon and pilloried the coach with gleeful abandon.

Why, then, is there no fuss made, anywhere, whatsoever, when New Zealand picks a clearly understrength side, with not even the slightest pretence of anything other than simply “resting players”? Let’s not beat around the bush here – while some might “respect the Kiwi’s for their honesty” or whatever, Graeme Henry and his mob are clearly in breach of SANZAR’s regulations here. While we certainly don’t expect their own media (or the media anywhere else in the Kiwi-obsessed rugby world) to make mention of this fact, surely the South African press could at least raise some sort of token objection? These guys are disrespecting us, dammit, etc etc…

Perhaps, though, the personal agendas against de Villiers are now so deep-seated and ingrained that they take preference over national pride and support for our team. I’d like to call out those South African scribes who are clearly working AGAINST the Bok cause in the build up to this World Cup to have the balls to wear a black jersey this weekend and at the very least have the courage of their very clear convictions.


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  • Comment 1, posted at 16.08.11 09:08:46 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) : Div is a clown sometimes, but dammit, he’s OUR clown.

    I’m sick of assholes like Three-Letter-Dwarf panning the Boks while sanctimoniously condemning those who are more open in their support of other teams…

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.08.11 09:10:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • our media don’t have the balls to stand up to anything. they can only stand up against their own people and that is what the problem is. as you said, nobody is wetting their pants over the all blacks sending a team without their stars. all we can do is to try and beat the crap out of the all blacks on saturday

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.08.11 09:15:13 by jovner Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Yes sir, im with you.

    Going to pop you an email quickstix.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.08.11 09:15:45 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • I hear what you are saying Rob but this media spat has come a long way since Peter took over the job. Personally, I am tired for this back and forth fighting in the media and also the fact that the SA Media seeks out every opportunity to criticise and belittle Peter.

    IMO, Peter should keep his mouth shut about these matters and focus only on the team and what directly concerns them. Asking why the meia has not criticised the AB is playground BS and childish. But as I said, its been going on for a long time and probably little you can do about it now.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.08.11 09:18:36 by Viking Reply
  • While we certainly don’t expect their own media (or the media anywhere else in the Kiwi-obsessed rugby world) to make mention of this fact,

    Why the Hell Not?!?!?!?!?

    When SA did it, it was the Biggest dwarf in the SA media who kicked up the biggest fuss.

    Oh wait because the NZ media are actually behind their coach, as opposed to the short guy sniping at everyones ankles all the time.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.08.11 09:23:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • It’s Div’s own fault for not having blooded more talent through his tenure but continuing to play out of form and over the hill has-beens. So when his beloved old crocks understandably broke down he had buggerall as backup.

    Everybody saw this coming – except the village idiot. But, hey, that’s OK, because he’s OUR village idiot. 😯

    And we should never forget that the media are there to sell clicks and newspapers and that the “journalists” of today are the used car salesmen of news and information.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.08.11 09:26:34 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 7) : HUH??

    It is PdV’s fault for the media not saying anything about the Kiwis sending a weakened team after they DID say something when we sent one, because our players were injured?????

    How did you get to that “logic”?

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.08.11 09:33:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • New Zealand have clearly broken the SANZAR agreement – however I am not sure exactly what sanctions could be dished out.

    Maybe when they win at P.E., the points could be stripped from them! 😆

    Don’t worry chaps as the headline read today and will re-surface again post RWC!

    PDV: The end of an error!

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.08.11 09:42:32 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • It is far easier to criticise than compliment. Also we as South Africans love to think we can always do a better job and therefore love when the media criticise a coach. If the media criticised you at your job then would you still read all their stories in the paper? I think not. Its hard to promote a positive environment in SA sport when you either get belted by the media for anything or the government cos u not developing players. New Zealand has breached Sanzar protocols, but the only story seems the be that they should be commended for openly doing so…thats like applauding a criminal because they came out and said they stole something!

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.08.11 09:48:14 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 9) : 😆

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.08.11 09:53:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : It’s only illogical if you consider the All Black team to play on Saturday as a “B” team in the same sense as the one we sent overseas. There is a huge difference between a Kiwi side without their first-choice players and the Boks in the same situation, whether you like it or not.

    And that has to be laid squarely at Div’s feet. He has had ample opportunity over the last 4 years to develop players that would slot in seamlessly, but he has failed. Every second string side he has ever put on a field has gotten hammered, even by depleted British club sides.

    Has anybody ever thought that maybe the SA media still view the All Blacks as favourites to win on Saturday and would look like right royal idiots if they complained and our “A” side got smashed?

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.08.11 09:53:39 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Can someone please delete the duplicate? Thanks!

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.08.11 09:56:16 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 12) : But why is it PdV’s fault that the media have not complained?

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.08.11 10:06:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : I think they would have complained if we were now 3 from 3 in the Tri-Nations, which could well have been the case if PDivvy was a competent rugby coach and player manager.

    I know you can’t understand why I blame him, but to be honest I am so sick of his face and the sorry state of our rugby. Him making comments after the Aussie game to the effect that we actually won the game except on the scoreboard makes me want to blame him for the riots in England at this stage.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.08.11 10:22:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • And lets not forget the ridiculous pricetag to watch the NZ ‘B’ team play.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.08.11 10:23:46 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : back away, no logical fight there 😉 😈

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.08.11 10:24:52 by molly Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 12) : You’re missing the point – it’s not about how strong the side is, it’s about not picking your strongest side as per SANZAR requirements.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.08.11 10:28:07 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) : 🙂

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.08.11 10:29:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 18) : Anybody can bullshit their way around the SANZAR requirements. Even PDivvy.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.08.11 10:29:59 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 18) : YOU’RE missing the point. 😉 RS is trying to change the subject by having something else to blame PdV for. 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.08.11 10:30:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : 🙂

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.08.11 10:32:36 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : 😆

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.08.11 10:33:08 by molly Reply
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  • When is someone going to blame him for the stitch up job he did on Jon Smit this last weekend? 😈

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.08.11 10:35:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : No, I thought I was more subtle than that. But I’m sure I can find plenty more stuff to blame him for! 😈

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.08.11 10:35:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 25) : 😛

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.08.11 10:38:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : Can’t you read, dude? That is not permitted! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.08.11 10:38:36 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 27) : At this late stage of our march to the world cup I am a supporter of Pdivvy but I was particularly peeved with him on Saturday for moving Smit to prop, specifically because he had told Plum to only play Smit as a hooker. 👿
    Anyway lets get back to our spineless journos.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.08.11 10:42:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 28) : You’re a better person than me. For the first time in my life I’m more or less numb with regards to whether we win or lose, as long as the RWC is over and I never have to see De Villiers, Dick Muir and Gary Gold together in a glass box again.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.08.11 10:51:16 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Spot on Rob.

    I don’t get why Shady Pines still has such a huge following. Do SA rugby fans (those that can get online) really enjoy criticising for the sake of criticism more than logic?

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.08.11 11:15:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 29) :

    I’ll bet you 1 million Zim dollars that you had this very same attitude towards Jake in the lead up to the RWC in France!! 😈

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.08.11 11:34:08 by wpw Reply
  • Which country can put out a B/C team against the top 2 countries in the world, away from home and expect to win? No-one.

    When is Div suppose to ‘blood new players’ when his job is on the line all the time? What other coach in the world does this?

    In 2007 we got hammered in the away leg of the Tri-Nations and our ‘A-team’ lost to NZ in Durbs. De ja vu anyone? 🙂

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.08.11 11:40:30 by McLovin Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 31) : I wish I could remember that far back 😀

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.08.11 11:41:36 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 32) : Agree with all you said but Divs job has never been on the line….White on the other hand.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.08.11 11:47:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Who of you are big football followers? Does the national coach also get as much stick from the media?

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.08.11 11:50:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 34) : Do you really think that if Div kept ‘blooding youngsters’, and lost a few more test matches when doing so, his job would not be on the line?

    This is SA rugby remember. 😈

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.08.11 11:51:43 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 36) : There’s a huge difference between blooding youngsters and throwing a whole team of noobs to the wolves, whether it be against New Zealand or Saracens.

    How come the AB coaches seems to manage the integration of new players so well? When is the last time an All Black “B” team was humiliated by ANY other side?

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.08.11 12:03:29 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) :

    From what I remember previous Bafana coaches have always been under pressure when on a losing streak.

    The difference though is that no one expects Bafana to win the SWC. 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.08.11 12:04:34 by wpw Reply
  • @rhineshark (Comment 37) : When was the last time the All Blacks put out an entire ‘B/C’ side like the Boks just did?

    My guess would be never.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.08.11 12:06:35 by McLovin Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 37) : How many players made their test debut under White? Or Mallett? More or less than Div?

    How does Div win/loss ratio compare to those two? Pretty much the same if I’m not mistaken. Slightly worse actually. 🙂

    So why is Div expected to do what no other Bok coach has done before him? Or no other international coach for that matter?

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.08.11 12:10:36 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : They never have to, because there are always competent (blooded) players to fill the gaps and more coming through all the time.

    Besides, I doubt they would ever allow their jersey to be cheapened like that.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.08.11 12:12:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 40) : Div is just the current main clown in the circus. I will keep complaining about idiot coaches for as long as we have them. It was the same with Straueli and it was the same with Putt when he “coached” the Sharks.

    The fact that I’m going off about De Villiers is because he is the one in charge right now and I have the same low opinion of him (and Dick Muir and Gary Gold) as I would anyone else, who were entrusted with something I held dear, and kept screwing it up.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.08.11 12:14:18 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : 😀 Under pressure I understand but McLovin mentions White made me thinkback to some of the crap he had to endure from being summoned while on an overseas tour, forced selections and even a pissed newspaper sports editor making allegations of him (white) misbehaving at a golf day. Pdivvys run ins with the media are still fresher in my memory.

    Surely there cant be a tougher coaching job in SA than that of the national rugby coach.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.08.11 12:17:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 41) : You really think that we can withdraw 20+ 1st choice All Blacks send the next best lot over to SA with no warm-up games, play against our 1st team who have played 2 or 3 tests in the lead up to that match and they would not cop a hiding.

    I reckon they will.

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.08.11 12:19:21 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : If ever they got themselves into that situation the effects wouldn’t be nearly as drastic as 40-7, because just about all of their fringe players are already All Blacks with test experience, but not yet retirement age.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.08.11 12:32:14 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Just my subjective straw poll – following the media I think PdV is as unpopular as JW was in the run-up to 2007.

    This is South Africa; with more opinions than people.
    We cant agree on anything else; why would the performance of the national coach be any different.

    The comparisons with New Zealand are also not apt in my opinion.
    They have shown, season in season out, that they are the premier rugby nation in the world. We have traditionally always been their closest opposition and have for periods in history usurped them for the crown but, if we’re completely honest, they’ve always come back and re-taken it.

    I think the reason the local media hasnt taken the kiwis to ask is simply because they’re worried of egg on their face if we lose on the weekend.

    In my humble opinion we didnt do badly on Saturday against the Aussies. We lost by 5 points against a team that included the majority of players from the victorious Reds and a team that had played two competitive games over the past two weekends. Our guys were obviously rusty and lacking game-time and still only lost by 5 points?
    That said, a win against a weakened kiwi side this weekend is non-negotiable.

    I also thought Saturday answered a few questions.
    Firstly, Bismarck simply has to play and he has to play 80 minutes.
    Secondly, John Smit, for as much admiration I have for the legend that he is, is simply not a prop. He was brutally exposed on Saturday.
    I find it unfortunate that the Bok coaches never experimented with Bismarck on the open-side instead of Steggman. Bismarck plays the role of the open-sider anyway, stealing more ball than anybody else on the pitch. Too late now but could’ve been an interesting proposition if it’d been tried earlier in the season.

    All in all, I’m still positive. A five point loss to the Aussies under the current conditions is simply not a train smash in my opinion.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.08.11 13:24:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • One more thing; we seriously need Burger back…

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.08.11 13:25:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Although the team is yet to be announced (and because I have not been at training I am only guessing at its composition)

    But it will be a genuine ‘B Team’ – with all expected to make the 30 man RWC squad – except for maybe Guildford & Hoeata!

    AB’s @ P.E. / 1st XV @ RWC

    15. Izzy Dagg / Mils Muliania

    14. Ice Toeava / Hosea Gear

    11. Zac Guildford / Sitiveni Sivavatu

    13. Richard Kahui / Conrad Smith

    12. Sonny Bill Williams / Maa Nonu

    10. Colin Slade / Dan Carter

    9. Andy Ellis / Jimmy Cowan

    8. Victor Vito / Keiran Read

    7. Adam Thomson / Richard McCaw

    6. Liam Messam / Jerome Kaino

    5. Sam Whitelock / Ali Williams

    4. Jarred Hoeata / Brad Thorn

    3. John Afoa / Owen Franks

    2. Keven Mealamu / Andrew Hore

    1. Tony Woodcock / Wyatt Crockett (well Woodcock actually) 😆

    Shapes as a fascinating match! – except if you are PDV 😎

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.08.11 13:37:01 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Peter de Villiers could make the most relevant, intelligent and blood-curdlingly emotive speech ever and he’d still be laughed out of town by the majority of South Africa, media and public alike.
    Yes, there are a lot of “spineless” journos out there, but there are also some great writers who are actually passionate about the game, and not the politics and able to discern between the two.
    I sincerely hope that the Boks will do well, both this weekend and at the RWC, and I have no doubt that PDiv is struggling with the juggling act that is getting a combination of fit, in form “old timers” and equally fit, in-form rookies with not much experience but more than enough talent to make up for it.
    In a country with some 43-million coaches, selectors and armchair critics, PDiv has come to expect the vitriolic attacks. It doesn’t phase him – ultimately he will do what he thinks is best and is prepared to be judged as a result of this. He accepts this. Why on earth can’t anyone else?
    He’s not a clown. He’s not a village idiot. He’s our national coach, and whether we like him or loathe him is not going to change that. So how about we try actually SUPPORTING him for a change, and the Springboks, and seeing if we can get some serious national pride going in the build-up to RWC?
    On Saturday I had to sit next to “fans” alongside the media centre and listen to them boo as John Smit came off the field. That is absolutely SHOCKING behaviour. And yet we expect the Boks to deliver with support like that?
    You know what, if we lose, then at least the players on that field can hold their heads high and know they have more pride in themselves and their country than people like that in the stands.
    I’ve got your backs.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.08.11 18:16:37 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 48) :
    Every 4 years your amnesiac bunch get even more self-inflated than usual and predict a resounding, Cup-winning performance.

    This time, when you are once more drying your disbelieving eyes on the tattered remains of your shattered dreams, I will laugh even more than I have each other time.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.08.11 19:50:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 49) :

    I thought your Coach was Martin Johnson 😉

    @Big Fish (Comment 50) :

    hahahahaha …. I think you may be best advised to concentrate on your own school of fish – they don’t seem to be swimming too well at the minute 😆

    PS I will have to go and google what ‘amnesiac’ means. 😕
    Enjoy Saturday and the next 2 months 😉

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 49) : AMEN !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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