Richard Ferguson

The centre of the Sharks’ trouble


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 22 Aug 2011 at 10:15
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Aside from the poor performance shown against the Leopards on Friday, one thing became increasingly more pertinent to meโ€ฆ We have a problem in the centres, and it is not a small one either.

Watching the Sharks U21 game against the Leopards U21, beet, sitting next to me in the press box, raised the point that the U21 players keep getting shuffled in a bid to grow depth and give every player an equal opportunity to grow and get game time. This got me thinking about the centre pairing of Heimar Williams and Piet Lindeque, both of whom have started every single game this season.

Upon further investigation, it turns out that these two are basically the only two centres worth mentioning that are coming through the age groups at the Sharks and could leave us with a few problems in years to come.

Currently, the grouping of Meyer Bosman, Adi Jacobs, Marius Joubert and Stefan Terblanche donโ€™t exactly strike fear into the opposition backlines, and even though they are capable at Currie Cup level, they are far from what we need in Super Rugby. They are all vastly experienced campaigners, and experience is worth a lot more than just talent, but there has to be a balance and some ability to go with that.

In my opinion, the purchase of Marius Joubert was one of the more costly mistakes made by our management, who have to get the credit for recruiting the brilliant Fred Michalak. One has to think what the plan was behind this purchase. We already have experience in the centres, so it could not have been that.

I would have preferred to see Adi Jacobs, a player who has only been loyal to the team, given an extended run in the Currie Cup, and should that not work, then look toward a purchase. Why waste the salary of a Springbok to only ever sit on the bench. I just cannot fathom the economics behind the move either.

The truth is, it will not be long until Mr. dependability Stefan Terblanche retires, and it was he who injected some pace into the Sharks backline after another miserable performance by Joubert. What will happen then? Who will we turn to?

The option other than purchasing yet another centre, is to convert one, simply put, just play someone out of position. But who? There is already a new signing for next year Riaan Viljoen, who already plays both fullback and wing, who can slot into the thirteen jersey. Or there is the other option of playing Ludik in the centres and putting Viljoen at fullback. But this is surely just another stop-gap arrangement.

Where does one draw the line and give a youngster like Heimar William a shot. Coach John Plumtree has seen some dividends from playing the youngsters early in the Currie Cup, and we can only hope that one of Heimar or Piet get a run at some point in the second half of the Currie Cup.


93 Comments

  • In my opinion if there was any forward planning regarding the centres Lindeque or Heimar would be playing off the bench every so often for the senior team and getting game time with the u21’s. The Sharks have been faulty at centre ever since Barritt left.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.08.11 10:24:44 by lostfish Reply
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  • Great article

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.08.11 10:25:52 by mikey Reply

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  • Agree…

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.08.11 10:31:26 by Charlie Reply

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  • Sad but true!

    Still the one GLARING weakness in the Sharks team.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.08.11 10:39:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Sharks haven’t got any good centres. Lindeque and Heimar seem alright at age-group, but would they do any better then Joubert & Bosman? Me think not.

    Paul Jordaan on the other hand. Looking forward to him being the starting 12 for SA U20 next year. Plumtree should give him a run at 12 soon as they think he’s ready. That sort of creativity would open things up for the Sharks outside backs. And then you only need a centre. How about JP du Plessis? Heard he’s returning from the Melbourne Rebels.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.08.11 10:39:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong but I just don’t see Plum giving a younger centre a chance unless it’s due to injuries in the senior team.

    On a different point – surely Adi deserves to start for a few weeks in place of Bosman?

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.08.11 10:41:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I have been saying that we have an issue at centre the whole year, Bosman is nowhere so is Joubert. Adi and Stef are to old now, I do not understand why we weren’t in the race to sign Sadie or tried to get whitehead.

    Piet Lindeque won’t make the step up!! If he was impressive enough he would have got the nod long time ago.

    Why can’t the management see this??? Vermaak left, why not try and get Doppies??????

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.08.11 10:44:16 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) :

    Can’t say I’d be too enthused about getting Doppies either. Talk about average. They’d be better off trying to get Francois Venter. But then you are casting aside Paul Jordaan. They are both much better on the inside then at 13.

    Sharks need someone strong and fast who scores tries out there. Like a clone of Jaque Fourie.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.08.11 11:03:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • No no, a good reasonable signing would be Walter Venter…a bit of a lost boy at the moment…but we have Pretoruis, Williams, lineque and Jordaan that can step up to senior side…I still think JP du PLessis(Rebels) will be a good signing…he is back in SA…and still negotiating with WP…these might be cheap signings for us…and might proof to be great investments…

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.08.11 11:06:39 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 9) :

    Venter didn’t cut it last time around. Tough player, but some of the basic skills just didn’t cut it. You won’t see him playing for any of the top CC sides again.

    Good strong 13 is all the Sharks franchise is really missing completely. Lambie can play 12. Jordaan is by far the best of the youngsters coming through. But Lindeque just doesn’t cut it, and they have no other good 13’s.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.08.11 11:13:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) :

    I think the assumption that Lindeque does not cut it is a bit harsh..

    Where has been able to prove himself at a level other than U21?

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.08.11 11:16:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) : I share your sentiment but have you see young Jp Du Plessis in action?

    I wish he was on our shopping list…

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.08.11 11:17:09 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 9) : I’ve seen JP’s name mentioned twice now in this thread. Got any more info on him?

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.08.11 11:21:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 12) :

    That’s why I said – comment 5 – that they should try get du Plessis. Could pay off.

    But last I heard he just played his last club game in Australia on Saturday (don’t know if this is true). Maybe when he returns to SA the Sharks will snap him up. If only they were more open about this sort of thing we’d know what was going on.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.08.11 11:22:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • du Plessis never managed to get a minute in Rebels franchise that finished stone last in Super Rugby..

    Where is there any indication that the kid can even catch a ball?

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.08.11 11:24:18 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) :

    Can tell you a bit? Played Craven Week for WP and SA Schools. Then signed up by the Sydney Roosters to play Rugby League. Then signed with the Melbourne Rebels this year, but has been released because they’ve signed Beale & O’Connor and he has always stated that he’s returning to SA soon rather then playing for Australia one day – says his heart is with the Bokke!

    Thought of as a future Springbok when at school. A 1991 baby so still very young.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.08.11 11:26:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • JP du Plessis

    20 years old.
    1.85m tall and weighs 92kg

    Not exactly a monster.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.08.11 11:26:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/showwiki/JP+Du+Plessis

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) :
    Rich check this link out…he is a great talent and we will be doing well looking into this boy…

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.08.11 11:27:05 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) :

    Ah. Seen a bit of him for Roosters and club rugby in Australia.

    Definitely didn’t cut it as a league player because all they do is run it straight at each other. But showed glimpses of why he’s such a terrific rugby player.

    You’ll see what I’m talking about in the next couple of years.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.08.11 11:27:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) :

    He’s built like a freaking train. I’ll try find a picture.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.08.11 11:29:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 18) :

    Why not back a player like Heimar or Piet? They are both 20 and know our structures..

    Back the youth damnit.. We have seen what happens when you buy shit!

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.08.11 11:30:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • JP HAS NO CURRENT CONTRACT with WP, the Bok sevens are looking to sign him(he doesn’t know it yet)but I REALLY THINK HE can add a lot to our team, very much a Fourie type of centre>>>very very fast…

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.08.11 11:30:39 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • Aggenee, we will be struggling along this year and next year because there is no urgency to get good players. We will be average at best!!!!!!!

    Play Ndungane at 13 and bring Mvovo back.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.08.11 11:31:04 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) :

    The last time i checked , Piet was built like a machine.. and he has pace to burn!

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.08.11 11:31:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 24) :

    Can’t hurt adding JP to the mix. He obviously has to have something for the Roosters or Rebels to want him? And comes with a HUGE reputation.

    You’d be pleasantly surprised if they did.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.08.11 11:34:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • If Lindeque can’t exactly stand out at U20 level, while someone like Sadie is doing what he is at CC level, how can the Sharks expect to compete if they don’t try match that?

    Just because someone has high hopes for Lindeque, doesn’t mean he’s going to amount to anything more then a Vodacom Cup player after he turns 22.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.08.11 11:37:26 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) :
    That’s true. And I am also concerned that Lindeque hasn’t shone at age-level yet.

    However, not every player is ready at 20: some come into their own later, and exceed the bright young things from age-group days. In addition, we need to back our system – allow Piet or another youngster to step in to the 13 jersey now: this CC is the perfect opportunity to blood a kid.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.08.11 11:56:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 18) : Just watched the video clips of JP playing (posted on the site you linked to). You know the constant complaints about SA centres trying to run through/over defending players instead of trying to get around them? JP definitely falls in the latter category. If he can continue playing like that and that ability is not coached out of him he could make a great Bok centre one day.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.08.11 11:57:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) :

    Well said, he has been moved around from centre to wing trying to fit him in. That to me already is a concern, if he is the best centre then he must stamp his authority so that no one can move him.
    Look at Lambie, made the position his own, Piet is overrated you’ll see!!!!

    I get so frustrated when we know there is a problem but do nothing,surely 2 weeks into the super 15 they saw Bosman is not going to make the grade. Don’t know why we always buy shit.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.08.11 11:58:29 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • I was at a Saffer braai near Frankfurt on Saturday where I met a guy from Richards Bay whose son has been accepted into the Sharks Academy for 2012. Solid-looking laaitie named Ashton du Plessis, who plays centre. Will be interesting to see how he goes and maybe there is hope for the future as far as our midfield goes.

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.08.11 11:58:40 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Piet lindeque will be fine he is a talented player he just needs a chance along with heimar williams.Imo i wouldnt have signed bosman and joubert.Paul jordaan will get a chance soon in fact he already looks the beez neez for the under 21s he has some toe for a 12.

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.08.11 11:58:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) & @hendrikp (Comment 8) :
    And with Doppies already pushing 30 it’d be like signing Marius Joubert all over again, except Joubert used to be exceptional.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.08.11 11:59:11 by molly Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 5) :
    Jordaan is being used as a flyhalf by the Sharks u21’s.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.08.11 12:01:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The bulls by signing sadie will have alot of depth a centre.Dippernaars contract is up next year it will be very interesting to see if he gets a new contract he has failed to step up.Watermeyer has already signed a new contract.Francois venter is unavailable heyneke meyer and pine like the kid unless the sharks want to make an offer hehe.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.08.11 12:04:36 by Muzi Reply

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  • In my honest opinion after closely following the development of young centres at the bulls bradley moolman…johan de goede..adri jacobs…dippernaar and dinkelmann are nt good enough to make the step up in my honest opinion.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.08.11 12:08:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • Maybe the sharks should look at michael van der spuy..burton claasen and whitehead again.I’m just glad we have venter…small smith…bosch…andile jho …the VIP centres from grey college hehe.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.08.11 12:10:37 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 36) :
    So what is the answer for the sharks at centre, Muzi?

    Is Jordaan realy that talented? Where is he from?

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.08.11 12:15:08 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • I heard Charl Wiedemann, had a good game against the sharks…he is also a good talent…24…

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.08.11 12:15:19 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • Where is Small Smith, Muzi?
    Who is Bosch and Venter????

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.08.11 12:16:47 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 37) : never they are all crap…

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.08.11 12:17:10 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • Hmm its a tough situation as I doubt Plum is going to try a youngster when he has Terblanche,Bosman,Jacobs and Joubert.
    Having said that why not give Williams/Jordaan and Lindeque a chance. Maybe the frenchman or lambie may spark some life into them??

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.08.11 12:19:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Comment 43, posted at 22.08.11 12:22:39 by springbok Reply

     
  • @molly (Comment 33) :

    Well said!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.08.11 12:24:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I still believe Adi needs to play regular @12/13 he is creative,and Zuks Vulindlu wasn’t given much chance at centre as he was stuck at wing most of the time he was given game time,overall I believe Howard Mnisi is the better centre all round compared to all these guys and the kid is on form!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.08.11 12:28:58 by Le Punk Reply

     
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : Jp du Plessis was a talented schoolboy but the harsh reality is that he just did not cut it in Oz at the Rebels so quite why anyone thinks he is the answer to the 13 problem beats me.

    He is only 20 so may well still develop into the potential he showed as a youngster but there is a vast difference between standing out at craven week and doing the same at u19, then U21 and ultimately Currie Cup and super Rugby level.

    Some rare talents like Pat Lambie, Jaco Taute and a few years ago Frans Steyn and before him Jacque Fourie are able to make the transition effortlessly but they are the exception. Incidentally if you are looking for a Fourie type 13, Taute, who is still only 20, may well be your best option.

    Clearly the incumbents are not performing but I think a far better plan would have been to target a quality 22 year old like Sadie who has excelled at junior level AND shown he can step up. At 13 Robert Ebersohn is another example.

    IMO neither Williams nor Lindique have asserted themselves enough at U19 and 21 level to convince me that they would make any difference at senior level. I havent seen enough of Jordaan so wont comment.

    Franna Venter is another youngster that I have always rated, who that has been been mentioned a few times here, but at higher levels it is clear that he is going to have to work on his distribution if he is going to be a top class 12. He has the talent to do it but whether he will be able to in a Bulls pattern is debateable.

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.08.11 13:03:57 by steve Reply

     
  • I would still like to see Odwa in the 13 jersey. ๐Ÿ’ก

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.08.11 13:05:25 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @BoerSeun:saw some clips of him in action at school boy level.don’t know how close it was between him and piet for sa schools?don’t want to play them off against each other on this thread either.
    But I would really like to see jp at the sharks someday soon.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.08.11 13:18:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin: jp has some skills.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.08.11 13:20:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @richardferguson: think I might have been the first person -or maybe the second?(@boerseun?) To mention jp’s name.the kid has skills .hope he comes good-hope he comes back to sa.
    Size wise? Well he is 1.85m- can pack some more muscle on that frame..think most of his 92kg is muscle anyway.(Sivivatu is given as 1.85m 97kg-99kg – weight does vary on sites).

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.08.11 13:25:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • The sharks shouldve put more effort into luring ronnie cooke.straeuli thouhgt he had him in 2005,but then the chheetahs got their own sr franchise,sharksrugby in doldrums back then,so cooke decided to stay at griquas and play sr for cheetahs.currently at brive.even saw him score a excellent try playing on the right wing- took the ball running a good angle from the sh’s pass,and plenty pace.and he is 26 this season.def is no problem.mentioned it before,but I can remeber him as a youngster of less than 90kg getting into the canes runners of soiaol,nonu and richie collins(in bloem 2006).tenacious!

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.08.11 13:30:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 40) : Small Smith is with the bulls under 19s he was paul jordaans centre partner at grey last year.
    Christopher Bosch is from paarl gim he is a very talented another poached from the cape in fact he kept andile jho on the bench i like bosch he is a line breaker.

    Francois Venter is from grey college he played alongside lindeque he was the baby boks inside centre very talented but still he has to work on certain aspects of his game in order to become a bok centre.

    He is on the bench for the bulls currie cup side.

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.08.11 13:30:52 by Muzi Reply

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  • And he is still also only 20( jp dup).who knows where he might have been if he stayed in sa?maybe he is finding it tough as a youngster far away from home?so maybe it isn’t the rugby that is the problem.let’s bring him back to sa and see how he goes.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.08.11 13:33:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 51) : I played against JP du plessis when he was at paul roos he stepped our whole backline that day ๐Ÿ‘ฟ his father works at the lions set up.

    He nearly signed for the lions 2 years ago.

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.08.11 13:33:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 53) : I heard WP were after JP maybe he is seen as a replacememt for sadie.

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.08.11 13:34:04 by Muzi Reply

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  • Then there is also mbovane of weepee.but as beet told me,he is now playing on the wing.was exciting outside centre at high school level.(Sounds to me like he is still as exciting).
    We need some steppers in the team.players who getthe sharks fans jumping out of their seats,be it at home or at the stadium.

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.08.11 13:37:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 56) :

    Yeah no I think Mbovane is made to play wing. Not tough enough or accurate enough in his running lines to play centre at a high level.

    Maybe the Sharks can try scoop up one of Jan Serfontein or Dries Swanepoel? Wonder if any of them have already signed up for the Sharks. Will try see it I can find out anywhere.

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.08.11 13:42:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi: actually met his dad back in 2009.very pleasant person.both parents.he actually also does work at the various sharks academies.

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.08.11 13:44:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Muzi: what position do play? ..we’re looking for young centres (mr:green)

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.08.11 13:46:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 54) :

    So Muzi who does the Sharks have?

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.08.11 14:02:45 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @Muzi: be a good signing I think (for the weepee).from what I heard,the sharks never approached jp while at school.or since then it would also seem?
    His dad played fb for the lions.

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.08.11 14:14:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : Bud swanepoel amd serfontein are going to the bulls.
    In fact they already signed bulls junior contracts last year :mrgreen:
    So add william and venter now we have 4 ex grey college centres and boy oh boy they can speel :mrgreen:
    Our scouts mean business hahaha

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.08.11 15:10:44 by Muzi Reply

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  • :mrgreen: Do not wor :mrgreen: ry sharkies we will offer you guys a great package deal…dipernaar..adri jacobs..bradley moolman and maybe watermeyer just for free :mrgreen:

    So what do you think guys hahaha i mean you guys need centres that is all we can offer i’m afraid.

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.08.11 15:12:59 by Muzi Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 59) : I had the brent russell curse :mrgreen: Utility back :mrgreen: when i started playing rugby in grade 3 i played flyhalf but you know how coaches are they put me everywhere ๐Ÿ‘ฟ including the bench ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

    When i played against lambie at the MHS under 15 tournament i ran at wing but come first team rugby i was at centre but i could step and tackle unlike naas with those clean shorts. ๐Ÿ˜•

    The sharks scouts even offered me that letter concerning trials atleast the sharks showed some interest lol can not say the samething about the bulls a stingy bunch ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.08.11 15:22:06 by Muzi Reply

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  • Good article. This issue needs to be addressed soonest imo.

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.08.11 15:28:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 37) : @BoerSeun (Comment 41) : I tend to agree with Muzi here.
    Province’s junior programme is flying at the moment, they are overstocked and we should try to take advantage of the bottleneck.

    Paul Bosch still has to come back into the equation, so we have JvV, JF and JdJ as the top 3, presumably followed by Bosch, Whitehead, Klaasen and then vd Spuy.
    The Sharks donโ€™t need the worldโ€™s best centres, we just need better options than what we have at the moment. If weโ€™re not going to back Heimar and Piet โ€“ which is looking to be the case, then we have to shopping or face the consequences come the SR season.
    So Iโ€™d say Whitehead still remains a good target. The way vd Spuy is panning out makes him a good option as well but then again, heโ€™s the same age as our current u21 centre combination.

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.08.11 15:28:34 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 46) : Steve I love Franna but it seems like he’s destined to become a statistic of the SA Sch players that never made it.

    Pity coz he was a super SBR player.

    What’s gonna happen on Saturday? I loved the Lions vs Vrystaat u21 game.

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.08.11 15:31:22 by beet Reply
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  • Good article Rich. There is quite a few centres coming through at other unions and there won’t be room for all of them to play. If our under 21 guys don’t make the cut, I don’t think we’ll have a problem picking one of these guys up.

    The problem is, our scouts don’t seem to look very far into the future. The last couple of buys they made in this area has been peculiar to say the least. Especially since we could rather have used one of our young players or tried to lure centres like Sadie, Whitehead, Watermeyer who is still young players with lots of potential and finding it hard to get regular game time with their unions or even Alwyn Hollenbach, Jean Stemmet (had him, never got a shot with the sharks) or some of the other younger probably cheaper centres with potential.

    I understood buying Bosman as we did have a big gap to fill at 10 at that stage as well, but then buying JLP who basically would do the same job as Bosman and later Joubert who couldn’t be any better or younger than either Adi or Stefan, just didn’t make sense to me.

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.08.11 15:34:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • Good work Richard. But not just for this one article, all the hard work you put in to make this place tick.

    It was pleasure meeting you. Your efficiency in churning out feedback while keeping a close eye on the action and doing articles in next to no time after the final whistle is very impressive and deserves much praise.

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.08.11 15:37:12 by beet Reply
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  • Also hoping that Frans Steyn would come back cut his hair and play outside Lambie at 12, wouldn’t be a bad think, imo, when’s his contract up at Racing?

    I think a Lambie, Steyntjie combo would be quite brilliant. Then with Adi next to them and maybe later on Piet Lindique. Then on 9 Ruan if he’d like to come back or either Ross or Reinach seems to look like good bets for the future at 9.

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.08.11 15:40:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • Wait till Culling Song gets hold of this thread!!

    Be very afraid! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.08.11 15:48:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 71) : Richard pipped me to the line, but I’ve sent a sort-of-similar-but-not-quite article to Rob to post.

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.08.11 15:56:02 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 72) :

    Did your article involve travelling to other dimensions? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.08.11 15:58:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 73) : Hmmm, I see I’m becoming predictable. Time to develop a new arrow for my quiver

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.08.11 16:03:23 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 74) :

    It’s not because it’s predictable….it’s because I didn’t get an invite to come along! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.08.11 16:06:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 75) : You have a wife and child, I couldn’t endanger your safety like that. I, unfortunately is in Calliope, the muse of writing’s thrall and have no choice in the matter… *cue dramatic music*

  • Comment 76, posted at 22.08.11 16:10:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 66) : Watch Patrick Howard in a few years time he will be another sadie in the making.
    I agree wIth you the best place for a centre to develop is wp.
    Just imagine if venter and lindeque where with wp.
    I like the way wp junior centres are playing their rugby.They are running such great lines..running with a strong purpose and they have a nose for a try line.
    Sometimes i feel the bulls young centres like dippernaar and watermeyer are playing in phases and they look like they are running to make contact.

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.08.11 16:20:21 by Muzi Reply

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  • here is a good Idea for a Center, Daniel Adongo!

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.08.11 16:43:40 by G West Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 67) : I wont hazard a guess about Saturday – Lions were very good in CT on friday night and really should have come away with the win against WP going down 18-17 to an 81st min penalty for a high tackle.

    I havent seen much of the Sharks U21’s this year but most of these guys have come through the 19’s in 2009 and 2010 and the games have all been pretty close between them. In ’09 (only one round)the Lions won in Durban and last year Lions won in Dbn and Sharks won in JHb. This year they have had similar results against common opponents. I expect that saturday will be close and could go either way.

    The Lions have a big pack who do the basics well and at full strength can put out an all 2010 SA U20 tight five. There is plenty of pace out wide and they have shown that they can score tries – they have scored 38 tries so far followed by the Sharks on 30 so it could be a cracker. Sharks have been better defensively conceding fewer but the Lions results are skewed by the Bulls game. They had a shocker against the Bulls at Loftus a few weeks ago but I do think that that was a bit of an aberration not helped by red card for Sa U20 tighthead Ruan Dreyer.

    Ruan Combrinck, from Michaelhouse, who has just moved up from the WP was outstanding at 15 against WP on friday and Wandile Mjekevu is playing well at 13.

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.08.11 16:44:05 by steve Reply

     
  • @Muzi (Comment 77) : How the Sharks never held on to Pat Howard beats me. I agree that he has great potential – he is big and fast and best of all he went to Michaelhouse which means he can also pass and tackle ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.08.11 16:48:07 by steve Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 80) : Yeah, he has this O’Driscollness about him

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.08.11 16:51:55 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 81) : i would have preferred “Lambieness”

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.08.11 16:58:40 by steve Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 79) : Steve, I watched the Lions vs Bulls as well. I actually think red card was a kind of blessing in disguise coz the damage had already been done by then. I think the wing also got sinbinned for preventing a score by purposely knocking the ball on.

    Combrinck looked out of place at 13 vs the Bulls but I suspected that the Lions didn’t want to part with their fullback Coetzee’s big boot.

    I sort of got the impression the Lions ran onto the field believing they could win the game and when the Bulls got a big lead early on, they just couldn’t recover mentally. Rob was about the only Lions player that came out of that game with his head held high. He scored a nice try as well.

    Some of those Lions pack look like real fatties.

    They were outstanding in the 2nd half vs Vrystaat so I guess they just took the confidence down to Cape Town. Also the fact that 2 of WP’s best fwds Roux and Carr were missing helped. Kitshoff’s been out of the mix for a couple of weeks so I won’t count him.

    It should be a goody vs the Sharks. I hope the game is televised.

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.08.11 17:02:50 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 82) : I meant BoD the player, not the personality.

    For a centre to be compared to BoD is a huge compliment, just think back of the Lions tour of 2001 and his form in the next seasons after that. Even the Irish grand slam of 2009. One of the very best centres of all times to me. Right up there with Gerber and Horan.

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.08.11 17:07:07 by beet Reply
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  • From: @RugbyFifteen
    Sent: Aug 22, 2011 5:25p

    Patrick Lambie and Frans Steyn were on Monday cleared as available for selection to the Springbok Rugby World Cup squad

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.08.11 17:35:04 by Franshark Reply
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  • I did not wanna jump the gun here but are siked about the news…

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.08.11 17:37:48 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 68) : I don’t think the thinking behind Bosman’s signing was to play him at 10. Andries Strauss went to the Cheetahs and Bosman came to the Sharks. So the JLP makes perfectly sense to me as Lambie had not yet played at 10 when we signed JLP.

    The Marius Joubert signing baffles the shit out of my mind! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.08.11 17:43:14 by Ben Reply
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  • Piet Lindque isn’t the answer, seen him a few times and I can honestly say he won’t make it. Only 2 players in the u21 backline are worth a mention and they are Sbu and Prinsloo, Jordan does need a looking into though, the rest can be sold quickly by action. Still belive that MB is a good number 12,he was good for FS, why isn’t he making it at the Sharks…? The problem lies with us. Don’t know why we bought MJ, him and MB don’t compliment each other at all. Our biggest problem is that we don’t have a proper backline coach, this means that there is no one in management that understands what to look for in a backline player. The Bulls have Rossouw as a backline coach hence the Bulls have made very good buys in the past 2 yrs when it comes to backline players…JJ Engelbrecht..what a player, Sardie…what a player. I have said this before, if you want backline players, go to the Western Cape…those guys have a natural understanding for backline play i.e. Demetri…what a player. This JP du Plessis you are talking about who couldn’t start for the Rebels, come on…if he was that good Province would have signed him immediately. Still willing to stick with MB, we should have gone for Sardie seeing that Eberson will retire playing for the FS. Another loss was Mapoe, he could have solved our no. 13 issues.

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.08.11 18:56:28 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @beet (Comment 83) : You are quite right that the damage had been done by then. It all went awry from the start! Scrummie concussed in the first minute and replaced by a backup flyhalf who can play 9 if required. Hein Cronje came down from the Currie Cup side and started at 10 – he had a nightmare and was pulled off after half time, Combrinck was drafted in to centre at the last minute as Mjekevu was injured – so all a bit makeshift which didnt help. It looked a bit better when Coetzee went to 10 where he has played since.

    I was a bit surprised at how well they went up front against WP as they were also pretty depleted in the pack – first choice 1 & 3 were out through injury and suspension and probably their best two loosies went off injured in the first half. On the plus side lock Sebastian de Chaves started his first game since the warm ups and Edwin Bredenhann the SA born Australia U20 scrummie got his first game off the bench.

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.08.11 19:17:11 by steve Reply

     
  • @beet (Comment 84) : I am a great admirer of O’Driscoll – comment was meant tongue in cheek ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.08.11 19:20:23 by steve Reply

     
  • 6.Willem Alberts
    7. Coetzee / Deysel
    8. Keegs.

    12. Lambie / Deysel
    13. Kanko

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.08.11 19:29:26 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : You made some good points there.

    Meyer Bosman was in good form when we signed him and he did appear to be a step up from Strauss at the time. Things haven’t panned out. Who knows, maybe he takes a couple of months off at the end of the year and returns as his old self, a dependable player who adds value, something we haven’t got to appreciate this year. That will be a real bonus.

    I also agree that the Sharks had a lot riding on the Mapoe deal and I’m sure the intention was to convert him into a full-time outside centre.

    Have you watched Michael van der Spuy play and if so, what do you think of him?

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.08.11 22:29:41 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 90) : You’re going to have to be patient with me. I’ll a little slow. ๐Ÿ˜›

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