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Plum reads the riot act… again


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 28 Sep 2011 at 07:04
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Another week and another bunch of pithy quotes from John Plumtree about how his players simply aren’t stepping up and need to find their way or risk giving up the trophy that they won in such great style last year.

“The standards and expectations of playing for the Sharks is pretty high and we’re not at that required level,” according to the coach this week and while you can’t really fault him on that statement, one has to wonder what plans the Sharks mentor actually has up his sleeve to get things moving in the direction that he wants them to. By my count, this is at least the third time this season that Plumtree has used the media to turn up the heat on his “non-performing” squad, without seemingly able to admit any personal responsibility for sending out a bunch that, quite frankly, look jaded and directionless for long periods of most matches.

The definition of madness, so they say, is doing the same thing over and over again whilst expecting different results and for the Sharks, there does seem to be just the slightest hint of insanity to the way they’re going about their title defence. Plumtree seems to still be moaning about the number of players – particularly big ball-carriers that he’s lost – all the while trying to coach a far smaller, lighter pack to deliver exactly the same results as the Bok-filled juggernaut eight available to him during the Super Rugby campaign. Critics will note that even in that competition, he appeared to have few ideas outside of using Willem Alberts to bash over the advantage line ad nauseam, hoping vainly that the quick service of Charl McLeod might allow something magical to happen afterwards. One got the feeling, though, that whenever that magic did occur, it was far more as a result of the individual skills of players like JP Pietersen or Lwazi Mvovo, rather than anything specifically coached.

The madness seems to persist in backline selection too, much as it has all year, with players who are clearly out of form – and who have been for some time – allowed to hang on to their spots, presumably at the risk of playing a less experienced youngster. Stefan Terblanche is the glaringly obvious case in point, although the form of others including Fred Michalak and Marius Joubert is also far from exemplary at present. Others, such as the phenomenally Adi Jacobs or the promising Gouws Prinsloo, seemingly cannot buy a place in the side, nor does Plumtree seem willing to take a risk on players like Sabelo Nhlapo or Daniel Adonda, who despite being part of his training squad all year, are seemingly not deemed good enough to actually play. This despite the fact that Plumtree is palpably short of backup at prop and loose forward, where Dale Chadwick, Marcell Coetzee and Jean Deysel have already played an incredible amount of rugby this season.

So forgive me for not getting too excited about this latest very public “call to arms” from the Sharks’ coaching staff, because it’s one we’ve heard before this season. Perhaps if one of the players were to be quoted as asking their coaches to “step up” and try something fresh and different for a change, we’d take a little more notice.


95 Comments

  • I have not finished reading this yet, but I LOVE this article.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.09.11 07:39:46 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • Yep you’ve got this exactly right!!!

    IMO Plumtree has hit his own coaching ceiling, and while I do not want to take away any of the good stuff he did, I feel it is time for him to move on, OR to acknowledge his shortcoming and employ someone to complement his skills.

    It simply does not go down well blaming ( or politely saying the players must shoulder their responsibilities ), while the coaching staff simply walk away covering their jobs? It is the coaching staff’s responsibility to get the players to shoulder their responsibilities. How? Well……..Pay me their salaries and I will tell you. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.09.11 07:47:50 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • In Plum we trust! πŸ™„

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.09.11 07:50:50 by Ben Reply
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  • I totally that Plumtree has teached his ceiling and there is not enough creativity to use the players he has to make a difference.
    Another sign of bad coaching skills is when a coach starts signing players who should have hung theirs boots up 50 years ago instead of playing some of the talented youngers we have in the under 21 echelon.
    In all essence if a coach can only build a team around 2 or 3 big boys and continually complain about players his lost…. I thinks its time to move on! A good example is the Bulls.. There coach used a lot of inexperienced players and mixed it with creativity…. And look where they are.
    So… Plumb get rid of the grandfathers and use some creativity…!

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.09.11 07:59:18 by Kaygee Reply

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  • Good piece Rob.

    Couldnt agree more.

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.09.11 08:21:23 by John Galt Reply

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  • Dear sharkies hehe tell your plumtree coach to do a Pine Pienaar :mrgreen:.

    Axe those players who are not performing and play the gouws prinsloos and the piet lindeques they will inject some much needed enthusiasm to the team and rattle a few feathers. :mrgreen:

    Trust me the sharks will start performing again. πŸ˜‰

    Just look at the bulls youngsters they are about to make something special happen. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.09.11 08:32:15 by Muzi Reply

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  • Agree Rob.. From sitting in those pressers asking questions and being told that certain things will be looked at, only to ask the same question the next week, it gets you down.

    I’m sure Plum is doing as much as he can, but I think our problem lies in the assistant coaches, who are nothing but a few ex players hanging around with nothing better to do.

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.09.11 08:32:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) :

    Going from a Pine Pienaar hater to telling us how great he is?

    Fair weather fan much??

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.09.11 08:34:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Rob….I agree 100%! Well said.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.09.11 08:35:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : what TWAK. The Bulls’ biggest problem this season has been one Gary Botha and yet he still gets picked to lead the side week in and week out. The Bulls are now winning in spite of their captain – and dare I say in spite of their coach too.

    Just two weeks ago you were going on about how Pienaar doesn’t know what he’s doing. Pretty quick turnaround, I’d say.

    My advice to Bulls fans who want a say here… first actually get into the semis. Then once YOUR coach has won two Currie Cups, join the debate about how limited ours is.

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.09.11 08:38:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : is Bashford even an ex-player? Thought he was a cricketer? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.09.11 08:39:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : then again, maybe I misread the irony you intended to convey with all the smileys :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.09.11 08:40:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice one Rob. I have made my feelins clear on this one: the Sharks are a poorly coached side in my opinion, and our selections border on the ridiculous.

    I think Plumtree is in a rut and needs help getting out of it – he isn’t a bad coach, just one who has lost his way.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.09.11 08:51:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : I think you’ve hit the nail on the head Richard. We need some quality assistant coaches and FAST! Plum isn’t perfect but he’s better than the shit his team has been dishing up this year! πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.09.11 08:56:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson # 7 my thoughts exactly!

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.09.11 08:56:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Kaygee (Comment 4) :
    “I thinks its time to move on! A good example is the Bulls.. There coach used a lot of inexperienced players and mixed it with creativity…. And look where they are.”

    I just had a look, and they are 9 points behid us. 😯

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.09.11 08:59:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Y’all are giving me a headache 😈 :mrgreen: With all this whinging, I thought I was on a convict or sheep shagger site!

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.09.11 09:02:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : Having just clawed their way from 6th to 5th on the log.

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.09.11 09:04:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I would just like to point out to y’all that the Sharks have only lost 3 CC matches this season, won the cup last year after finishing top of the log, finished top of the log the year before, and won the cup the year before that. Seriously, what is wrong with y’all???

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.09.11 09:06:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : Remind us how well we have been doing in Super Rugby? 😈

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.09.11 09:07:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 18) : And whom we comprehensively have beaten twice.

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.09.11 09:08:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : Oh right, I remember, the Sharks have not scored 5 log points in every CC match over the past four years, shock and horror. 😯 It really is OK to have both feet firmly planted on the ground.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.09.11 09:08:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :

    lol @ y’all. Been down to the South lately? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.09.11 09:09:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : He is stubborn and not wanting to admit his mistakes…Needs to surround him with better support…Get Balie Swart with the forwards and Campo for the backs…or I would even give my services for free 😈

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.09.11 09:10:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : Ben, the only mention of Super 15 prior to your comment was a mention in the article of the Super 15 juggernaut forward pack. Sorry, just not part of the argument, and not what people are whinging about on this post. This is clearly a Currie Cup thread, and the whinging is all about Currie Cup performances. Therefore, my points were particularly valid.

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.09.11 09:11:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.09.11 09:12:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : But very nice to see you nephew. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.09.11 09:12:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : :sigh: But what does our CC performances in previous years have to do with it then?

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.09.11 09:13:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : Ditto Uncle. What time is it there?

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.09.11 09:15:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : With our apparently inept coach. I don’t know what the rest of you think, but Pine Pienaar has not been coaching at this level long enough to carry Plum’s athletic supporter. But hey, he has trusted his youngsters and look where his Bulls are on the log.

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.09.11 09:16:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 17) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :
    I see it like this, we are allowed to trash the players as musch as we like but as soon as the coach does the same then it is time to turn on him, weird actually. 😈

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.09.11 09:16:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The Sharks need a shake up somehow! But is Plum willing to gamble in the closing stages of the competition- i dont think so!
    So its the tried and tested for the rest of the season im afraid.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.09.11 09:18:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 28) : The article is about Plum’s supposed limits coaching in the Currie Cup. One can not fairly discuss his limitations without looking at his Currie Cup coaching history. My point is that most on this thread were whinging about Plum and how he coaches in the Currie Cup, and how he has reached his ceiling. That is just not fair to say without taking his historical achievements in the Currie Cup into account.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.09.11 09:18:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : 3:20 am Ben. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.09.11 09:19:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 24) :

    I think Freddie should stick around and mentor our halfbacks..

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.09.11 09:19:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : When they say he has reached his ceiling they mean he’s no more than a CC coach. With our Super Rugby record that’s pretty much a fair statement don’t you think?

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.09.11 09:21:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) :

    My opinion though is that I wouldn’t have minded being 6th on the log if we were giving some youngster exposure at a higher level. Is Oupa still going to be around next year? If not then somebody like Prinsloo needs to get used to playing with the senior players. This IS the time to experiment and it’s not happening. We all hear that you can only win the S15 with a big squad but we aren’t giving enough backline players the chance to play with the senior (read centers).

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.09.11 09:22:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 31) : Very Weird. I have been one to criticize Plum’s insistence of sticking with certain older/tired players. But has everyone forgotten that the Sharks have been the dominant CC team the past 4 years. Perhaps we did not win all the CCs, but we have won 2/3 and 3/4 is still a possibility. Yet, some insist on whinging about the coach that has accomplished this, even going so far as saying he has reached his ceiling. What coaching experience do these people that think he has reached his ceiling have?

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.09.11 09:23:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) :

    I agree with what you are saying here..

    Shoot me if you want, but I would rather be in Province’s shoes right now, they still have a shot at the play offs, but they have played a brand new team, and with so many returning players ahead of the Super Season, they will be the best team in South Africa…

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.09.11 09:25:08 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) :

    One thing that doesn’t gel with me though is that Plum seems to blame players in public media. IMO that is just not on.

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.09.11 09:25:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) : Agreed, we have discussed this tendency of Plum’s ad nauseum. But who the hell are we as supporters to say he has reached his ceiling. Not a one of us has achieved anywhere near what he has coaching any sport, yet somehow we, as supporters can make an outrageous claim like that, with absolutely no expertise to back it up, and with no real evidence to back up the statement either. I think Plum has limitations and I also think he is terribly hard headed, but he has won 2/3 CCs, and has made a habit of finishing top of the CC log.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.09.11 09:27:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) :

    Again, agreeing with you..

    Rather pull the guys in and have a private chat to them.. I suppose he didnt give names, just saying that the senior players let the team down, but still, do it in the change room…

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.09.11 09:28:17 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : You’re pretty fed up aren’t you.

    The players should be blamed; they have been playing substandard rugby. Making basic errors, basic errors that can make a coach really upset and say things like Plum has been saying, but…

    I think the basic errors came way after the cluelessness. Players have been kicking penalties out and holding on to passes, securing line-outs and keeping possession, up to a couple of weeks ago, when the complaining started. But maybe since even as far back as mid S15, the Sharks have looked a little clueless. They have the ball but don’t know what to do with it. And like you said if guys like Alberts Deysel and Bissie didn’t get us over the advantage line and Charl McLeod didn’t give quick and clean ball to the backs, we just couldn’t produce, well… much of anything.

    Now basic errors have crept in and Plumtree is blaming the players. I think they must be frustrated. And I think this could be a cause of these basic errors, too an extent.

    The coach has to, not just take the blame, but start to give us some answers.

    We can all see the players have been letting themselves down. It’s not his job to tell us that. It’s his job to tell us what he is going to do to fix that. – Selection, game plan, more training drills in specific areas, help from other coaches… what? Or will he just continue to complain that his team is playing badly.

    If the players knew how to fix the problem then Plumtree wouldn’t have had a job.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.09.11 09:28:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 39) : I can not even imagine the whinging about Plum here if we were in Province’s or Bulls shoes. Then everyone would be whinging that he should have stuck with the tried and true.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.09.11 09:29:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) :

    You make a valid point DB..

    And I agree that saying he has reached a ceiling is an unfair statement.

    Bu he has lost a bit of his form, and even though I rate him as a top coach, needs some input from assistants, something I do not think is happening..

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.09.11 09:30:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) :

    I wouldn’t claim that he has hit his ceiling as some say but I also believe that one coach cannot be a ‘jack of all trades’ and I truly believe that Plum could do with some more creative support staff.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.09.11 09:30:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) : Agree, that is why I am loathe to give my expert opinion as fact because as sure as nuts the guys in the job, be they players or coaches, are many, many times better than I ever was.
    This I know because if I were better, then I would have by now won 3 Currie Cups and at least 1 Super title in the last 3 years. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.09.11 09:30:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) :

    The simple point here is that no matter what a coach does, the fans will always find something to whinge about..

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.09.11 09:31:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 43) : Now I’m a little fed up! πŸ™‚

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.09.11 09:32:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 45) : @Pokkel (Comment 46) : We’re agreeing way too much today πŸ™„ Say something stupid quickly! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.09.11 09:33:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) : Again, I can’t argue that point, personally, I would rather wait until after this CC is over, and then evaluate Plum’s performance over the past 4 CCs. We all have limitations, it is how we deal with those limitations that determines our success of failure in our given field.

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.09.11 09:34:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) :

    Plumtree is a coaching god and I think the Lions are unstoppable…

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.09.11 09:34:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 52) :

    I agree!! 😈 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.09.11 09:35:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : And that my friend is precisely the problem, what kind of terrible coaching deficiencies would prevent you from winning 3 SupeRugby titles instead of just one? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.09.11 09:36:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 53) :

    Hahaha!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.09.11 09:37:08 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : Like I said. Plum isn’t perfect but he’s better than what his team has dished up this year. Super 15 especially. Really think he needs to get some great assistant coaches in there. Backline especially.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.09.11 09:37:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 48) :To be fair, I think we’re only whining because his whining, well, not only because he’s whining, but on this thread that’s why.

    I still think Plum is a good coach, he just needs to get into gear stop complaining and do the coaching. I don’t expect magic, I expect improvement, adjustment, something that will show me we aren’t just going to attend the semi’s (even if at Kings Park), but actually have a good shot at winning, reaching the finals and then making a decent run at defending our title.

    Right now, I dont have faith that we could, I Rich, you know how unrealisticly faithful ans supportive I am of the Sharks and their abilities.

    I want to believe again, but I don’t feel like there’s anything to really grab onto.

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.09.11 09:39:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 56) : Your points are well made Ben, you are certainly not one prone to whinging. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.09.11 09:39:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Pine Pienaar? That guy’s even more clueless then Plumtree.

    Senior players doing him big favours at the moment. Not many of those youngsters in his squad actually making much of a difference.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.09.11 09:42:38 by Ben Reply
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  • I suppose there has been so much [email protected] going on in my life lately that I just don’t have the time to whinge about a team in 2nd place on the log with a history of winning 2 cups in the past 3 years and finishing top of the log the year they did not win. Perhaps with a more positive outlook on life, I would realize that a team like that has absolutely no chance of winning the CC this year.

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.09.11 09:44:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) : You forgot to mention that the team has just picked up 5 points from a bomus point win while playing some diabolical rugby.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.09.11 09:52:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : Diabolical rugby against a team that thumped the Sharks just 7 weeks ago. I can’t remember the last time the Sharks completely destroyed a minnow team. Vrystaat always racks up huge scores against the minnows, but not the Sharks, who seem to just scrape through each time. But we have beaten the Bulls twice, Vrystaat once, and still have home fixtures against Province and the Lions. Not to mention coming withing a whisker of beating the Lions at Ellis.

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.09.11 09:56:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I dont always agree with Plum’s selections, but then again im not at all the trainings etc so I cant comment on who has been better at training etc. I think the team is very frustrated at the moment. They seem to lack concentration and hence make silly errors which leads to frustration and trying things they shouldnt. Im just sad to see the game plan of last year not being used anymore. Last year the Sharks took the ball phase after phase until there were mismatches or gaps opened up. Pretty much how the Brumbies used to play. It was effective and attractive rugby. Why was that discarded? Could the current group of players not manage it?

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.09.11 10:03:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I suppose growing up supporting the Banana Boys of the 60s and 70s, it is hard to criticize the Currie Cup winning rugby this Natal team has dished up over the past four years. 😎

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.09.11 10:15:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 65) : Salmanoid gets this…….Don’t worry old man, our half century of experience (each) is bound to pay off sooner or later. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.09.11 10:17:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Woah! What’s this? Don’t criticise the coach cos he is a provincial coach and we aren’t? So dare we criticise the government then? Hell, how can we question Hitler or Stalin then? A slippery slope that – and a bunch of rubbish. If you don’t want people to question rugby coaches, than why read a blog like this?

    And I’m NOT going to praise the Sharks for being where we are in a sub-standard CC. Our goal should be to develop the guys who will win the Super Rugby tournament next year – not just remain competitive by playing ageing stars who are not up to Super level. Our continual failure at Super Rugby is a telling point.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 35) : Can work… πŸ˜‰

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : Could not have said it any better…Big Fish…JOU DORING !!! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.09.11 10:33:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : The thing is that it probably won’t be (the tried and trsted for the rest of the season)

    I believe we will have the same thing we had last season. Struggle through to the play-offs barely beaing teams we should be giving 25 point hidings and then suddenly in the play-offs become a juggernaut that thrashes anything and everything in our path, resulting in all being forgiven until we lose our 1st SR match.

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.09.11 10:51:04 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 69) : Jeez Charlie, Fish is calling for the axing of Adi, he surely passes as an aging star (albeit a good one) by now. 😈

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.09.11 10:52:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : No rules here, its the blog afterall, just opinions.

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.09.11 10:57:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : Hehehe !!! Adi had become like red wine…the older the better :mrgreen: πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.09.11 10:59:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • If only the Natal team of the nineties were not so successful then the expectation of 2011 would be more tempered. That golden era really skews Natal / Sharks very illustrious but struggling rugby history.

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.09.11 11:02:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Holy mother of all that is sweet and pure! This is certainly a lively thread. My two cents:

    Competetive rugby as a viable and sustainable career for players and coaches is driven by the fact that we, the fans, are willing to pay to watch it, albeit live on on tv. That means that players and coaches are in the public domain, and although not necessarily accountable to us, are also not exempt from public criticism, constructive or otherwise. Of course we the public must be cognisant of the fact that we do not necessarily have all the facts at our disposal, and that our judgement tends to be clouded by emotion, but that does not deprive us of the right to an opinion.

    Secondly, Plum does have a very good track record as a Currie Cup coach, and yes, we are sitting pretty on the log. But just as we can’t judge him on this Currie Cup without taking his previous achievements into account, so we can also not disregard performance in other arenas. The simple fact is that our success at Currie Cup level under Plum has thus far failed to translate into any notable achievement at Super Rugby level.

    Furthermore, it has become increasingly evident that although Plum has the ability to devise an effective game plan, when deprived of the resources to implement the plan, or when other teams have found ways to counter the plan, the response from the coaching staff has been found wanting, in my opinion.

    Selections are something everyone here should by now know I have an issue with, but I’ll acknowledge the fact that Plum sees things on the training field that I do not, so I will abide for now.

    I do believe that Plum is a good coach, and I’m not sure that he has necessarily maximised his potential, but something is wrong with our coaching team as a whole, and I believe some fresh input is required.

    Lastly, I utterly disagree with Plum criticising his players in public. In business you appoint responsible and accountable persons for the performance of specific areas, and in the event of non-performance, those persons have to take it on the chin and then address the issues internally, and I believe that principle should apply here too.

    Rant over.

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.09.11 11:24:22 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 75) : Hey the public criticism of players did the trick for The Lions.

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.09.11 11:29:15 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : @Culling Song (Comment 75) : Well said!

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.09.11 11:33:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Is criticizing the players publicly a New Zealand thing maybe?
    Im also sure that it is done more out of frustartion than malice and Im sure that prior to it a lot of behind the scenes criticism has first taken place.

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.09.11 11:38:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) :
    “Woah! What’s this? Don’t criticise the coach cos he is a provincial coach and we aren’t? So dare we criticise the government then? ”

    Erm, no politics on this site, unless you are now willing to lead a crusade to allow it. 😈

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.09.11 11:46:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : nothing new to Muzi, when the Bulls were kak he was a Lions supporter, then the Bulls started winning and Lions went south then he turned to Bulls supporter…

    fairweather to the hilt our Muesli :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.09.11 11:48:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 80) : Muzi = Muesli = I’m loving it!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.09.11 12:04:49 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 78) : this is all a ruse by Plum, potraying a siege mentality at the Sharks while he knows back at the ranch he backs his boys 110%

    if they win the currie cup he’ll say “this is momentous, we won against the odds”, if they lose, “well i’d conceded it even before the league stages were completed because i knew my players weren’t good enough.”

    clever kiwi this plum, he knows how saffas love to believe the bluster in the media.

    show me a “talkative” kiwi coach who is still coaching in New Zealand. even robbie deans is cagey as ffcuk…you get NOTHING out of him.

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.09.11 12:15:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • Come on guys: Muzi is a cool oke and shares interesting insight – let’s not treat him like a Cheetahs supporter. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.09.11 12:16:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 83) : Hey, before you start lambasting me here, muesli is tasty and healthy and regulates you bowel movements. How is that an insult? πŸ˜‰

    In retrospect, Cheetahs supporters give me the sh*ts… I see your point. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.09.11 12:28:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 83) : +1

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.09.11 12:45:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 82) : I suspect you are right.
    Deans might not say much but man did his appearance after the loss to Ireland paint a picture. I was worried for him.

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.09.11 12:47:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 84) : You saying Muzi gives you the shits? πŸ˜›

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.09.11 12:50:15 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 83) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.09.11 12:52:17 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • Anyone out there got better coaching credentials? Try walking a mile in a top-class coach’s shoes and see how you fare. Then, and only then, could you conceivably have earned the right to go wide, and tell a professional coach he’s a complete stuff-up.
    Seriously, dudes. This kind of vitriol does nothing to engender brotherly love amongst Shark fans. It actually belongs on that OTHER site. Not this one. πŸ™

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.09.11 19:09:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : Some people are just happy to settle for average. I’m afraid I’m not one of them..

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.09.11 19:24:15 by Ben Reply
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  • Great article Rob! Agree, don’t know what Adi and Adongo need to do to start, in Adongo’s case, to even be in the match 22. Plum worries me! Had Adongo been in the W Cape, he would have started a few games.

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.09.11 21:11:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Ben (Comment 90) : I SAY NO TO AVERAGENESS !!!

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.09.11 11:20:40 by Charlie Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 91) : Quoting Plumtree…”Hinting at changes, he explains that centre Adrian Jacobs has impressed on each occasion he has come on. β€œAdi has really performed well off the bench and could come into the reckoning for a start this weekend.”

  • Comment 93, posted at 29.09.11 11:21:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • Plumtree once again using the media to tell his team to sharpen up!

  • Comment 94, posted at 29.09.11 17:47:11 by Shark1Fan Reply

     
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 70) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.10.11 21:14:44 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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