Richard Ferguson

Crises for the Cheetahs


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Other SA Teams on 10 Oct 2011 at 17:00
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The Cheetahs won ugly against the Pumas on Friday night, somewhat strange as the Cheetahs generally dominate the lower ranked teams in the Currie Cup, but this is not the worst news coming from that that game.

Sias Ebersohn has hurt his ankle and could miss the match against Griquas this weekend. Add to this the fact that Johan Goosen is still out with concussion, the Cheetahs could have a slight crises this week.

Neither player has been ruled out as yet, with both undergoing fitness tests over the course of the next few days, but the coaches are holding their breath that either player would be fit. Should neither player make it to full fitness, utility back Riaan Smit will have to cover the flyhalf position.

In other news, it has been confirmed that Boom Prinsloo will play this weekend after earlier reports suggested that the match against the Pumas would be his last, as he would have to report for Sevens duty. With returning Springbok Heinrich BrΓΌssow unlikely to take any part in the Currie Cup, this news will be welcomed by the Cheetahs coaching staff.


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  • Cheetahs can afford to relax this game, they dont realy wanne end 2nd do they, πŸ˜‰ Sharks will be happy to do that part πŸ˜›

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.10.11 17:44:21 by Franshark Reply
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  • I’m sad that Franna du Toit hasn’t stepped up and delivered this season. This wud have been an ideal opportunity for him to show what he’s got to offer.

    From a Sharks point of view, we really need the Griquas to cause one more upset this season but it will be a big ask to do it in Bloem.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.10.11 18:46:42 by beet Reply
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  • why won’t Brussow play Currie Cup?

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.10.11 19:10:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 2) : nah, it’s cool… I already asked them and they said they would

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.10.11 19:10:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 1) : Why wouldn’t they want to end second? As things stand now, they play the sharks, either at home, or in durban. Surely they would prefer that at home?

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.10.11 20:06:08 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 5) : Frans was making a joke. πŸ˜›

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.10.11 20:17:43 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 6) : Ah, missed that!

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.10.11 20:21:47 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 7) : julle ouens gaan so lekker GELOOI word in die semis πŸ™‚

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.10.11 20:31:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 7) : my mate, looks like you getting a bid nervous πŸ˜‰ , I love it that the lions had a good run this year.. Maybe its not over yet, you guys have the home semi, probably against the problems… Any thing is possible… I’m going for a Sharks vs WP final in Durbs πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.10.11 21:48:36 by Franshark Reply
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  • Why would Heinrich Brussow not play any part, unless his injury was serious? 😐 He’s only played what, 10 games all season?

    If Goosen starts, Cheetahs by 20. If Smit starts, Cheetahs by 5. I really like Sias Ebersohn, but he hasn’t got ‘upside’. If I compare it to a tennis player, Ebersohn is the guy who does everything okay. Goosen on the other hand has a killer serve, or a strong backhand.. He’s just got more weapons.

    Cheetahs will win this Currie Cup, even more so if they get Brussow back.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.10.11 05:07:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Have you noticed that in the Lions big games (excluding Pumas and Leopards) in your round review you backed the Lions to win twice …. Bulle on Ellis park and Stormers at Newlands .. we lost both those games πŸ˜› PLEASE DONT BACK US IN THE SEMIS 😈

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.10.11 07:18:00 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Maybe, maybe not, time will tell. We still don’t know who we will be playing, so for me, it’s a bit early to make predictions πŸ™„

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.10.11 09:32:35 by Greg Reply

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  • Much as the Lions deserve credit for their performances during the CC, resulting in them ending top of the table, I don’t think it will do them any good to actually win it.

    That team is still stuck with many average players who won’t cut it at S15 level. I’d rather they actually continue to rebuild – keep backing youngsters like Taute, rather then continue on the way they have.

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.10.11 09:36:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 9) : Nope, not nervous at all, we have had a good run, and it may well end up with silverware, or it may not.

    All season I have heard stories about how the Lions are a super rugby side, playing in a watered down currie cup resembling a vodacom cup. Then I hear they are actually a side of average players who are not good enough for super rugby. Then I hear they are a currie cup side, who have played super rugby, and are playing vodacom sides.

    Now, apparently, this vodacom/currie cup/almost super rugby side is going to get hammered by a side packed with returning springboks?

    I no longer know where the Lions rank in terms of what competition the should be playing, and where they will be competitive(if any where), this is all too confusing for me, but it appears that they may as well not even bother to pitch up, so badly are they going to be beaten.

    Now that some boks are back, the currie cup is again the greatest competition ever, it seems some of the water has been decanted off of it, and we will have international players who are unbeatable, (except of course by other international players), playing against a bunch of also rans, who are clearly not good enough to be where they are, and should probably be relegated to the B section.

    The position the Lions are in, for me is far more favourable than any one else. Should we progress in the playoffs, we can say we topped the logged, and beat teams with international flavour to progress beyond that. Should we not go on to win it, we can say that we did well, but were pipped at the post by a bunch of returning international players. What can the other teams say?

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.10.11 09:56:58 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 14) : 😈

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.10.11 10:05:36 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I don’t get it why there’s such a rush to complete the season. The Currie Cup did not have to be congressed this year.

    With no end of year tour on the cards, SA rugby could have spaced the Currie Cup out more, setting the CC final season ender date in November.

    If the semi’s were on the 5th and the final on the 19th of Nov, if would have been a lot easier to accommodate the RWC players.

    As a absolute minimum, there should have been a 2 weeks break between the semis and final.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.10.11 10:24:23 by beet Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 14) :

    HEAR HEAR !!!! GIVE THAT MAN A BELLS !!!!!

    @hendrikp (Comment 13) : i have a Question if i may … Bosman and Joubert/Terblance have not been making a step up all season for the sharks . Would it help the sharks to win the CC with such average players in your team ? Players who cant even step up in a watered down currie cup ?

    at most i would like to change 3/4 players for super rugby. but i woul say the same about the sharks …

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.10.11 10:32:52 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : He isnt injured- he got knocked the F out against the Ozzies. Pocock ran over him, Horwill gave him a swinging arm to the neck in a high tackle and then Vickerman’s knee “accidently” found Brussouws temple in a ruck. He should be fine for Semi and Finals weeks. just a thought…if all fit what about Goosen at 10 with the Ebersohn brothers at 12 and 13?

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.10.11 10:34:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : Sounds like it was on purpose 😈

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.10.11 11:19:59 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 19) : The Ozzies taking out the man that opposes their biggest threat…nah im sure its just a coincidence!

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.10.11 11:26:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 14) : Huh what, if WP are lucky Aplon and De Jong will play.Just saying.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.10.11 12:19:27 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : With the Ebersohns at 12 and 13, I think they’ll be hot going forward but if I was the coach I wouldn’t sleep well in the lead up coz of defensive concerns.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.10.11 12:28:37 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 22) : To be honest i know what u mean, but I also dont understand. These guys are fulltime professionals. So yes not all are the same and thats why some are more of an attacking threat than others. But surely these players can learn the techniques of tackling so that its not a factor. I mean Lambie is basically a midget but hardly misses a tackle.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.10.11 13:09:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • A midfield needs physicality. The two Ebersohn brothers as a midfield combination would be a nightmare.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.10.11 13:22:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 24) : Im not saying you wrong, but why does a midfield need physicality? Each coach will have his own ideas etc but are we not the ones always asking for a change in Springbok rugby’s mindset yet we want the same type of players picked? Im just stirring a bit but hopefully you see my point?

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.10.11 13:27:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) :

    I’m not asking for a change in Springbok mindset. I believe we need to play to our strengths, which we did on Sunday before being screwed by a pathetic referee & I guess poor finishing.

    Let me put it this way. Ma’a Nonu & Conrad Smith would have a lot of fun running at those two.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.10.11 13:38:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) :

    Also, an inside-centre quite often makes the 2nd-most tackles of any player on the field… he’s the organiser of backline defense & is especially vital if your flyhalf isn’t Henry Honiball.

    Sias Ebersohn is probably the worst defensive flyhalf out of the top 6 or 7 in South Africa.

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.10.11 13:40:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) : In the modern game the tackler cant effect turnovers as much as he used to, assuming its not Mr Lawrence reffing. So the 2nd player to the tackled ball becomes the most important. So id prefer to have my 10,12,13 tackling guys around their ankles and bringing them down and allowing the loose forwards who run the covering lines to then look for turnovers. I know its getting technical but I guess my point is that if you are a professional, surely they can be no excuse for not having a good tackle technique?

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.10.11 14:10:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : @hendrikp (Comment 27) : Also important is that as a 10 and a 12, you’re more often than not called on to make a head on tackle which is a lot harder on your shoulders, esp if the opponent has built up a bit of speed before the collision. Bigger built forwards (and I guess scrummies) altho better equipped to make hits but often have the luxury of making a side on or a tackle from behind which is a lot less stressful on the body.
    I remember in my school rugby days, the traditional below the waistline tackle is all we ever got taught. These days it seems like this is the least preferred method esp in close contact. The best obviously being the wrap-up upperbody tackle that prevents the tackled player from offloading coz his hands aren’t free which in turn slows down play and gives the defence time to reorganise. But this kind of tackle requires size and strength to execute effectively.
    On that note, how good were the Aussies at attacking the Boks elbow areas when making tackles on Sunday.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.10.11 14:17:19 by beet Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) :

    I think you’re way off, and that being physical in the tackle is an important part of being a centre.

    Don’t know what else to say, except Sias at 12 would be a nightmare, unless the Cheetahs had 80% of the ball.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.10.11 14:23:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 29) : @hendrikp (Comment 30) : It just shows that South Africans are stuck in their ways and that we should never attempt a change in style of play. Pick the biggest kids no matter what…and we wonder why there is such a steroid problem at high schools!

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.10.11 14:38:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) :

    Show me an inside-centre playing in New Zealand or Australia that resembles Sias Ebersohn?

    You’re way, way off.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.10.11 14:42:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) : I guess an example wud be Berrick Barnes who has lost out to McCabe for that exact physicality reasoning that you’ve mentioned.

    Then again Barnes is normally a no. 10

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.10.11 14:56:44 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) : Sias is not tiny by any means. He is not smaller than James O’Connor, Benson Stanley,Jared Payne, Ryan Crotty, Matt Giteau etc. If a player adds a lot of value on attack can he not just be an adequate defender that makes his tackles? Im not saying you are wrong…all im saying is that we have a certain way of thinking and its hard to see things differently.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.10.11 14:58:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 33) :

    Berrick Barnes is an excellent defender… but yes he is an ‘around the ankles type’

    Sias is not nearly as good a defender though. I also don’t think he’s as much a threat with ball in hand as Barnes.

    @SheldonK (Comment 34) :

    Giteau was one of those freaks… I don’t believe James O’Connor should be in the midfield (for me he’s a winger or fullback), while players like Payne, Crotty & Stanley are all much sturdier.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.10.11 15:05:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : I think he’s a fair bit smaller than the likes of Payne and Crotty. But that’s besides the point.

    The thing is would a coach play Giteau alongside O’Connor in midfield. Probably not. Why not. These guys could do terrrific damage if given space. But what if they weren’t given space. Could they carrier the ball up or at least stay on their feet and how good are they at legally sealing a ball. Then there’d be the huge questionmark over defence. Could you trust these guys to withstand the pressure for 80min.

    I’m not saying there isn’t a place for a small guy/s on the park but they have to provide the coach with as much faith in their defensive ability as their attacking capabilities to merit playing alongside each other anywhere on the field.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.10.11 15:10:52 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 36) : I see what u are gettting at. but think of it like this: If you had Cooper,Giteau and O’Connor at 10,12,13…would you as an opposition coach worry about your own team’s defending against those guys? There are a lot of ways to attack…for example on Sunday we have Morne ‘ill kick anything’ Steyn playing yet we try run the ball…why didnt he just stand and kick accurate up and unders for our tall players such as JDV,J Fourie,Pieterson to chase? Would that not have made Pocock ineffective?

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.10.11 15:16:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) :

    Good question. Would it have made sense though considering our huge territorial advantage? Do you really want to risk giving the ball back to the opposition?

    Our game-plan was perfect. I hope the next coach plays the exact same way.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.10.11 15:19:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 36) : Just a question: would you pick a big guy thats good at defending but offers not much more than crashball or a smaller guy that offers a lot on attack but just stops the man on defense? Now how many coaches would answer how you just did in your mind?

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.10.11 15:19:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 38) : Look dont get me wrong the Boks did well and retaining possesion and applying pressure…but how long did it take you watching the game to realise that the ref was benefitting the side without the ball? So to your question: do i really want to give the ball to the opposition? Well on Sunday-yes!

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.10.11 15:21:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) :

    I think they believed they were going to win it… but Lawrence just didn’t make any of the right calls.

    @SheldonK (Comment 39) :

    I’d remember that defense is 50% of the game, and use that crashballer the same way Wales use Jamie Roberts.

    Not saying you select someone like that Scholtz guy the Bulls had for back in 2002… but you need physicality in the midfield.

    You’re best off selecting players in their best position, and not elsewhere if the position is occupied.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.10.11 15:24:50 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : Unfair, you’ve spiced up the question.

    Rather ask would you pick a small guy that was guaranteed to allow the opposition the opportunity to cross the gain line time and time again coz he lacks the size and technique to stop his opponent vs the big guy who lacks: lateral vision, good footwork, good handling and pace.

    Then you have a stale mate.

    If you look at the 8 centres in the RWC semis, they are all big guys with enough skills to make them offensive threats. I believe that the respective coaches picked these guys for their attacking abilities but on the evidence of the form over a number of season at lower levels in their respective domestic leagues, there was enough to suggest that they weren’t slouches on D either.

    So I guess that coaches are looking for big centres who offer something substantially more than just brain dead crashing.

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.10.11 15:32:39 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 42) :

    And they put the smaller players who offer less as head-on defenders on the wing if they can fill that role… James O’Connor being an example. Excellent at completing tackles, but I’d rather have Jamie Roberts running at McCabe then O’Connor if I were Deans.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.10.11 15:35:45 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) :

    Also, O’Connor and Digby are often used in midfield when they’re attacking, so the argument about them not getting the ball enough doesn’t cut it.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.10.11 15:37:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 41) : Look i have many thoughts on Sundays game but it wont change the result. Im just thinking of the next generation…is there room for a Frans Steyn and Francios Venter in the same team? What about a Johan Goosen,Pat Lambie in the same team? Im just looking at how NZ and OZ seem to be going where they want all their “big” players on the field at the same time, not necessarily in their preferred positions.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.10.11 15:38:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : So we might have to agree that rather accommodate Sias at wing or fullback.

    Sounds like a Riaan Smit story.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.10.11 15:39:01 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 46) :

    I think Sias relies too much on going through the motions properly, rather then being instinctive to play anywhere but flyhalf.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.10.11 15:41:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 42) : My question was meant to be a stale mate..as why not have both the big and small guy as well as the running flyhalf and the kicking flyhalf. Food for thought…PDV needed his bench to change the game we were already dominating. Would replacing Brussouw with Bismarck and replacing Du Preez with Hougaard and replacing Habana with Butch have changed the game? i know you will say thats guys out of position..but is that such a problem?

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.10.11 15:43:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) :

    Not sure who or what you’re talking about.

    Steyn & Venter in the same team? Maybe if Venter makes a strong enough case, he could push Steyn to fullback.

    Same story with Goosen. I think he’ll have the jump on Lambie as a flyhalf option because of his kicking.

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.10.11 15:43:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : Venter was the SAu20 12, Steyn the Bok 12(along with JDV). What im trying to get at is yes you need a good 9 and 10 etc…but if you have 2 that are good, can both not be included? Are we sometimes so focussed on a guys position that we leave out an exceptional player?

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.10.11 16:00:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) :

    Some players fill different roles, on defense, and attack.

    You need to consider what they bring on defense, as well as experience in their positions on attack, running lines, what they do in covering kicks situations etc.

    There is a balance that needs to be reached… and it wouldn’t allow for Ebersohn in a side at any position besides flyhalf :mrgreen:

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