Richard Ferguson

Is the Yen calling more Boks?

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, WP on 13 Oct 2011 at 14:47
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As the Springboks settle in back home, the rumours have started to surface about the future of certain individuals. Two Western Province players have been the centre of a lot of attention, and it’s not been from Europe.

Both Jaque Fourie and Bryan Habana have hit headlines this week as they are linked with moves to Japan, where big name players go to earn the Yen instead of the Euro. Japan, having won the hosting rights to the 2019 Rugby World Cup, is one of the fastest developing rugby nations, and money is available by the bucket loads.

It is widely known that both Fourie and Habana are out of contract at the end of the season, and both are yet to sign new contracts. Habana has already been approached by Toulouse, but they could not match his astonishing price tag. Fourie, on the other hand, has had very little media time in this regard.

Both Fourie du Preez and Danie Rossouw have already confirmed moves to Japanese club Suntory, with Peter Grant playing for the Kobe Steelers.

We will keep updating this story as we hear more.


  • Think Habs is taking the piss more then anything with asking for R7 million a year. That’s probably his price for leaving South Africa… and he doesn’t want to.

    Apparently the Jaque Fourie move is almost a sure thing. I hope that’s not the case.

    Jaque is only 28! Stick around! Wait a couple more years, and then you can stay in Japan as long as you want, because let’s be honest… they aren’t going to notice the aging in a weak competition.

    Some might not want to believe it, but we still need Jaque as Springbok centre… and Habana still offers value as a left-wing.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.10.11 14:53:18 by hendrikp Reply
  • I’m happy with saying that we still need Jaque as 13, but habana on the left wing…not for years now.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.10.11 14:57:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 2) :

    Best defensive winger we have… and if we actually gave him a little ball he might do something.

    Still scored 4 tries for the Stormers… which was like a fifth of all their tries, or more then Gio Aplon I think. All through opportunities he created for himself.

    Habs was bound to slow up eventually, to lose that explosiveness a little, but he’s still in the top 3 wingers in SA.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.10.11 14:59:57 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 3) : I can’t understand. Last Sunday it looked like they were about to carry Habana off the pitch in a bodybag and he’s playing this Saturday. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.10.11 15:04:42 by beet Reply
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  • I thought WP let Sadie go so as to afford these two.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.10.11 15:06:56 by war1 Reply
  • The Peter Grant episode from the start of 2011 makes me think our SR season and the Japanese season only just just overlap and that’s also only if your team makes the playoffs in Japan.

    So I guess the plan is to play SR and then head to the J-league instead of staying for the CC.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.10.11 15:15:20 by beet Reply
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  • Well if Jacques Fourie leaves then surely that opens the door for JP du plessis.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.10.11 15:16:55 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 3) : He is a great defender but only when he doesn’t go for the intercept. How many times has he left our cover defence to make tackles that he should have made?

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.10.11 15:17:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 6) :

    Wouldn’t make any sense with a Springbok career. He’d be playing throughout the entire year with no downtime.

    @Ben (Comment 8) :

    He plays in a rush defense. I keep hearing about missing tackles because of going for intercepts… but a lot of the time he prevents tries being scored by making ball-and-all tackles by being in an attackers face.

    If you don’t like the way he defends, blame the system… but as far as I remember he was part of a defensive system that allowed the fewest tries in Super rugby (history?), with very few tries being scored on him.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.10.11 15:24:48 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 8) : I know what you mean. I hate that breaking the D-line to go for the intercept which creates the possibilty of an overlap but it does tend to play on the minds of attackers, making them more cautious + they often have to improvise with the pass. I’ve noted a number of poor inaccurate passes that get made because of a lurking Habana.
    There’s the possiblity of a 7-point bonus as well but we haven’t seen any of those for a while now, have we?

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.10.11 15:25:44 by beet Reply
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  • When will the sharks team be anounced

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.10.11 15:25:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • This is very bad. The future Bok team will never be successful if they don’t have at least one experienced player in the backline.
    FDP looks like his tired of playing for the Boks, but who knows.
    JDV is getting on in the age department, and most will agree that Frans will get the 12 jersey
    Habana is goner, and JP can’t exactly help with his experience from the wing.

    J Fourie needs to stay in SA, and help the new coach.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.10.11 15:25:55 by Mocho Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) : Like Ruan and Frans :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.10.11 15:26:22 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 13) : If you play in the N/Hemisp. it’s bye-bye holidays. You become a 365 player.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.10.11 15:29:26 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 13) :

    Can’t see how it does the player any good… but they at least get a little down-time (a little).

    Playing in Japan, Super Rugby & also for the Springboks would mean playing basicly every single weekend.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.10.11 15:29:48 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) : Where is Stokkies Hanekom.

    And i thought Liam Tiger Bax looked the beez neez.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.10.11 15:33:02 by Muzi Reply

  • Habana has extended his WP / Stprmers contract for a year, it was announced during the world cup.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.10.11 15:37:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 5) :

    Trust me when I say this, I will NOT be impressed if Jaque Fourie leaves!! πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.10.11 15:39:24 by wpw Reply
  • Habana is totally a overrated player and the sooner he departs with his dad the better.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.10.11 15:39:44 by pete69 Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 16) :

    No offense dude, but you think everyone looks the beez neez.

    If you were calling the shots we’d need another 10 teams in Super Rugby. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.10.11 15:40:22 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 12) : fdp announce his international retirement 2 years ago, he said only if heyneke meyer is appointed the next Bok coach will he consider coming out of retirement

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.10.11 15:43:14 by Megatron Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 3) :

    I am sorry but I can’t agree with you there.

    Habana has been struggling defensively for years now. His penchant for going for the intercept and rushing up causing huge gaps for the opposition to exploit.

    Oh and btw, JP Pietersen is by far the best defensive winger we have in SA. I think Gio Aplon is not too far behind either.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.10.11 15:44:20 by wpw Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) : hehe everyone can “jol” with muesli πŸ˜†

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.10.11 15:45:22 by Megatron Reply

  • Jaque is a huge loss to bok rugga however Ive always thought he limited the back three at times, a player in the mould of sadie/Jacobs/Conrad Smith would imo turn our attacking problems arround -IF we have frans steyn at 12!! Maybe have a look at JDV at wing.

    I know this is a random thought ,but its a thought I have given much consideration and was wondering if anyone agreed or not ;I would like to see Goosen from Cheetahs play fullback. Firstly I think he has the physical presence and athleticism we see in modern day Fullbacks (IsDag/Beale) but he also has that booming boot that made frans steyn so famous, secondly it would serve the cheetahs well to have both Ebersohn bros on the field with Goosen

    Imagine this scenario ; 10.Sias 11.Benjamin? 12.Strauss 13.Robert 14.?(Imagine Viljoen) 15.Goosen

    Boks; 10.Lambie 11.JDV 12.Frans 13.JaqueF/Rob/Sadie 14.JPP 15.Goosen

    3 great kickers +composure size speed skill

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.10.11 15:48:54 by Talent Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    Pietersen? The guy who tries to take everybody’s head off?

    I’d give best defensive wingers to Habana, Poolman & Aplon – yes all WP wingers but they don’t miss.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.10.11 15:50:33 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 23) :

    Muesli?? bwahahahahaha πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.10.11 15:50:51 by wpw Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) : Like I said! He is a great defender but only when he doesn’t go for the intercepts. How can the system be blamed for someone shooting out of the Defensive line and going for a intercept? πŸ™„

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.10.11 15:52:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 24) :

    No man. Goosen is a flyhalf through and through. He controls play – why waste his time by turning him into a fullback.

    Daniller isn’t perfect, but he can do a job for them at 15. Riaan Viljoen is going to the Sharks by the way.

    As for the Boks, get used to Lambie at fullback. JdV will never play wing again. And Ebersohn will have a hard time becoming a Springbok ahead of Juan de Jongh.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.10.11 15:54:29 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 25) : Are you limiting it to tackling coz I tend to agree with Wes.

    If you think of elements like collecting high balls, assisting at defensive rucks to turnover possession or slow down ball and being defensively disciplined, Pietersen scores very high marks.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.10.11 15:57:07 by beet Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 27) :

    I don’t believe that he goes for intercepts as often as you say. Sometimes he is beaten for all money, and attempts to stop the ball from going wide, yes.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.10.11 15:57:36 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 29) :

    I excluded the high ball because some teams don’t necessarily use their wingers to do that… for example the Springboks used Fourie du Preez and 2 of Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn & Patrick Lambie at the back.

    The sight of Fourie du Preez looking at the opposition while jumping through the air still haunts me πŸ˜†

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.10.11 16:00:39 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) : The thing is in any given year, Muzi probably watches +/-200 schoolboy players from around the country. 4 years later when the field is narrowed down to 20-30 in that same age-group, you can’t help but believe the guys left are good.

    It’s the half empty half full scenario.

    Muzi holds the half full view, you gravitate towards the half empty imho. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.10.11 16:01:50 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 31) : When the ball drops down in that area between the 22m and the 10m lines, it’s still a role we see our wings undertaking.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.10.11 16:05:37 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) : Agreed. Sometimes I think the worst thing you can do outwide when outnumbered is be committed/drawn in by one ball carrier. You’re best option is to spoil which the intercept was the potential to do or create uncertainty by holding off a bit in the hopes that the attack makes the wrong choice and your cover gets there to assist you.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.10.11 16:08:09 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 32) :

    Only the very best… I wouldn’t call it a ‘glass is half empty’ POV, rather being a professional rugby demands only the best athletes… and we’re not all gifted with superb athleticism and great skills to go with the intellegence & courage to play rugby at a high level.

    If you look at Quarterbacks in the NFL, you’d find only around 10 who are secured in their jobs… the rest are playing catch-up. They’ll probably last 2 seasons at the most before being let go.

    The standard for players in South Africa should also be rising… only the very best, or look to improve.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.10.11 16:13:03 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 28) : I certainly hope you’re right on the JdV never playing wing again prediction but I’d like to know you’re reasoning behind the claim that we should get used to Lambie playing fullback for the Boks?

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.10.11 16:18:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Let me put it this way…

    There’s a few young centres in South Africa at the moment who are coming through or have just come through. I’d call the best of them as Robert Ebersohn, Johann Sadie & JP du Plessis. These are players I believe can compete with the Australasians.

    Now you guys back Piet Lindeque, who I think you can all admit is not as good… I can understand a lack of depth meaning he would come into the senior side, but I’m not going to be satisfied that he’s the right player for the position… or call him ‘the beez neez’.

    There needs to be a point where you say, yes he’s good enough, or no he’s not up to it.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.10.11 16:19:53 by hendrikp Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) :

    I just can’t see him playing at 10 full-time. Plumtree will stick with Michalak as his first-choice, and probably use Lambie there on a couple of occasions.

    But him excelling at fullback at the World Cup, and excellent coaches like Eddie Jones saying he should specialize as a fullback (as well as my opinion on his skill-set) makes me think that is where they will keep him.

    Besides, if he doesn’t become the full-time 10 for the Sharks in 2012, he’s not going to be that for the Springboks (he’ll be fullback), which will affect his future position as well.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.10.11 16:23:02 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 37) : Sies i can not believe it that you left out Francois Venter.

    I can see you have not watched Piet at his best.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.10.11 16:23:09 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) : I see your point completely and understand what you are saying. But he has been guilty of going for intercepts when it would have been better for him to just go and tackle the guy on the outside.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.10.11 16:24:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 23) : Its Muzi get it Muzi :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.10.11 16:25:43 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 25) :

    JP is by far the best defensive wing in SA – by several country miles. Biggest tackler, superb under the high ball, good boot and great counter-rucker.

    WP colours shining through strongly there.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.10.11 16:26:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 38) : Ahh, that’s where I differ with you. I think Lambie will revert to first choice flyhalf with the start of the 2012 SR season if not during the last few rounds of the Currie Cup. Going by Michalak’s average performances of late it may even be sooner in my opinion.

    Oh and Eddie Jones telling the media that Ruan Pienaar could be the next Stephen Larkham didn’t work it too well so I’m weary of some of his pronouncements. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.10.11 16:26:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 39) :

    I was talking about outside-centres. I consider Francois Venter to be a 12. If there is anyone I left out it was Juan de Jongh, who has been around for a while.

    “I can see you have not watched Piet at his best”. That’s my point exactly… I’ve had plenty of good performances as well, but it doesn’t mean I’m cut out to get paid to play rugby. If he’s good enough, he’d have made it by now, or will prove me wrong and have a long career with the Sharks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.10.11 16:28:45 by hendrikp Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 26) : πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.10.11 16:29:05 by Muzi Reply

  • There needs to be a point where you say, yes he’s good enough, or no he’s not up to it.

    Otherwise you’re going to end up with a bunch of average players, and then question why you can’t compete with the best.

    Just ask the Lions.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.10.11 16:32:42 by hendrikp Reply

  • If the Lions had set their sights higher, they wouldn’t be in the situation they are in now.

    Instead, they were happy with the ‘lesser’ players, the guys who aren’t bad either…

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.10.11 16:36:49 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 46) : I still can not believe it that Sadie is a blue bulls player.

    I still can not believe it that WP let Hougaard leave.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.10.11 16:38:20 by Muzi Reply

  • @beet (Comment 32) : I am not a bulls scout :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.10.11 16:39:56 by Muzi Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : I seriously hope that… Lambi should now be starting @ 10 and that’s it… The rest can fit in somewhere, play Mich @ 12 if not @ 9… And if Lambi does not get picked @ 10 I’d have no problem with him moving on from the Sharks…. Don’t mess with proper talent…

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.10.11 16:40:22 by Franshark Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 37) : I understand fully what you mean. POV is a good term.

    I like Muzi still maintain that having watched 80% to 90% of the guys fall by the wayside, if Piet does make it even to play 1 season with the Sharks, he’s a success story in my books (POV) ie the “beez neez”

    You however are looking at it from a world class POV. So naturally of the 10-20% that make the grade, you’re going to set your “beez neez” as the 10-20% of that fraction.

    There is a huge difference in standards.

    For example Tiger Bax was talked up but hasn’t made it into provincial rugby. He’d have to have a 5-year career on the cards for you to rate him near or above average.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.10.11 16:40:53 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 48) :

    I’ve got a prediction here for you. Think it’s about a 50% chance of coming true.

    Before 2012 is up, Hougaard will have lost his place in the Springbok starting line-up.

    Reason being? He’s not an all-rounder. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him even attempt a box-kick.

    If they stop him from breaking the line, all he’s going to have left is his passing, and they can even get Duvenage to pass the ball, and at least have a kicking game.

    Hougaard, as a starting scrumhalf, will not break the line as often as he did during the World Cup. He’s going to need to learn to control a game, or else his time is up, or he needs to play on the wing.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.10.11 16:41:43 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) : Bring Liam Bax to the bulls and our beloved heyneke meyer will fix him.

    Watch Lionel Cronje next year. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.10.11 16:43:20 by Muzi Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) :

    I expect a player to have Springbok potential… which generally means he needs to be a top-3 player in his position, unless he’s a blindside flanker, in which case he can be in the top 6 or 7.

    If you’re not that, or don’t have that potential… then I’d pull out the “not good enough” phrase.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.10.11 16:45:55 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 52) : I would feel more comfortable with Jano Vermaak as the bulls starting scrumhalf.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.10.11 16:46:54 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 53) : Surely you can’t afford to make flyhalf predictions when it comes to the Bulls? WP breaks them physically but the Bulls prefer to do it mentally. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.10.11 16:47:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 55) :

    Then why say you can’t believe WP let him go? They’ve got Duvenage, who while he’s not nearly as explosive, has better core skills. Duvenage has a better understanding of what it is to be a scrumhalf.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.10.11 16:52:42 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) : Hey Beet. Do you remember our debate earlier this year about JJ Engelbrecht only being considered as a left wing? Did you see he’s starting on the right wing this weekend? What do you think is going on there?

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.10.11 16:54:17 by Ben Reply
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  • When i saw Gary Van Aswegen jol i thought ‘sweeeeet the kid can jol here is our new bok flyhalf.

    Goosen is bad news for ,elton,,lionel,the greek and sias.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.10.11 16:55:03 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : Sadly that is what Hougaard lacks.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.10.11 16:56:43 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : I still can not believe it that Sadie did not even make the bench for the pumas match.

    Geez Allister Coetzee sies !

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.10.11 16:58:34 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 60) :

    Yup, and everywhere I go I read that he should be the starting Bok scrumhalf, which is driving me crazy!

    I can understand he’s got talent. I can understand he’s got x-factor. I really think he’s a good player… but if there is any player that needs A LOT of work, it’s him. Scrumhalf is becoming such an important position, and you can’t afford to play a guy who’s option-taking isn’t perfect, or doesn’t have a kicking game to relieve pressure.

    I know that Ruan Pienaar hasn’t been on top of his game… but his option-taking is spot on, and if he gets the rest right he’s got all the skills at the moment to be successful for the Springboks while also helping Hougaard develop his game… to help Hougaard think like a scrumhalf should think.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.10.11 17:00:40 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : You know i always drive people crazy :mrgreen: i rate ruan pienaar as a better scrumhalf than du preez.

    Lets be honest Du prez is not the same player dude in 2007 and 2009 he was sublime.

    Its Ruans time to start at 9 for the bokke.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.10.11 17:04:35 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 58) : Ben I remember that.

    Now I’m puzzled coz that left wing / right wing reasoning is out the window.

    What I do know is that JJ looks the more likely player to get a try at the moment.

    But I’d love to hear the coaches views. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.10.11 17:08:11 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 61) : Sadie has been struggling with injury. He was even replaced on the bench by Michael vd Spuy for the Lions game.

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  • @beet (Comment 65) : Oh ok thanks

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.10.11 17:11:04 by Muzi Reply

  • @beet (Comment 64) : That makes 2 of us! πŸ™‚

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.10.11 17:11:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 63) :

    Glad you know it. I wouldn’t have discarded Fourie du Preez, because like John Smit I considered him a vital part of that Springbok team…

    But I really do think Ruan is too talented not to make it work. If he’s struggled, it’s been due to a lack of game-time, insufficient coaching or not having his defining role in the team… not because he isn’t talented enough.

    If the Springboks want to have any shot at hitting that 80% winning mark next season, they need to play a balanced game that focuses on our traditional strengths, while incorporating a more attacking strategy when deep in opposition territory.

    We can’t play balanced rugby with Hougie.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.10.11 17:15:09 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 59) : I think they will play goosen at fb in time to come ,the guy has exploded on the scen but @hendrikp (Comment 28) : Hmmm time will tell the Cheetahs will eventually discover that not having sias and Goosen on the field at the same time is retarded…

    I see Goosen playing at Fullback ;he reminds me of jaco vdw . I think the problem for me with Lambie at fullback is his lack of venom on attack ,hell out think his opp fullback but will batle to beat them with a step or skin them with raw speed like beale and dag do ,however lambie does remind me of dan carter at fly half ,his composure , his tackling and so on…

    I really see the future of bok backline play involving goosen lambie and frans steyn

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.10.11 17:15:38 by Talent Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : What do you think of Mike Phillips?

    Maybe not the best base kicker either but certainly challenges the opposition in other ways. Same with Kelleher.

    I think it’s unfortunate that Jano is at the Bulls. I’d love for both players to get a good run at SR level.

    I’ve been a big Jano fan ever since the days when he was still competing with Ricky J for a spot in the Lions starting lineup.

    I’m not so hooked on F. Hougaard but I think he has more to offer that Pienaar with or without the accurate base kicks. Hopefully the new Bok coach gets us to finally move away from kicking away too much possession like we did against Wales.

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.10.11 17:16:44 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 25) : So just for the record. Do you think Poolman is a better defender than JPP?

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.10.11 17:18:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 69) :

    I… guarantee… that Goosen will not be turned into a fullback. Why turn one of our most talented flyhalves into a fullback?

    @beet (Comment 70) :

    I’m a fan of Phillips… but to be fair, before Wales hit a good patch of form a lot of the British press were questioning his place in the team. I don’t think he’d suit what we need, but his decision making from the base is a lot better then Hougaard, who I can see getting isolated if he tries that stuff too much against decent opposition. Only time will tell I guess.

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.10.11 17:20:50 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 70) : Hougaard is on his way to cape town in my honest opinion the bulls have signed vermaak as a replacement.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.10.11 17:21:47 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 71) :

    I believe he’s a better tackler then JP… as in I’d back him to make covering tackles, or not slip them etc. Not much to choose between the two though. JP would’ve been 4th on that list.

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.10.11 17:22:12 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 74) : But how can you really justify that as a valid argument?

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.10.11 17:35:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 75) :

    Uh, who am I arguing with?

    You make absolutely no sense. Don’t get emotional over it dude, it’s just an opinion.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.10.11 17:39:21 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 76) : How can you justify that Poolman is a better tackler than JPP? Has Poolman ever played against a international team?

    Clearly a biased opinion.

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.10.11 17:47:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) :

    Next time JP sticks his arms out, only to get fended or have his arms tangled up, I’ll be sure to take note.

    Poolman was excellent defensively for the Stormers in the first half of this years Super 15.

    From those performances I’m sure I can make a reasonably fair judgement.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.10.11 17:52:46 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 72) : well they took lambie and converted him into a flyhalf ,frans steyn started his rugby at flyhalf and at the time was one of the best young players in the position yet now we would never consider him a flyhalf, even more recently I would consider fullback to be his secondary position now. We can look at numerous players and debate what their best position is so your gaurantee may be slightly short sighted .

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.10.11 22:38:42 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 79) : Add Beale, Giteau, B.Barnes, Toeava, McAllister, Hobbs, Nacewa, Weepu, L.McDonald to the list as Aussie, NZers and a Fijian that have been given a bash in the all important 10 years along the way and it’s clear that it’s not just a Saffa thing.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.10.11 23:14:44 by beet Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 79) :

    When did Frans steyn play flyhalf? When he was in Primary? For Grey College 1st XV, he played 12 and 15, not 10. Just FYI.

    @beet (Comment 80) :

    That doesn’t come out of desperation, it comes from fitting players into a scheme. Kurtley Beale is the only one who struggled as a flyhalf from that list… resulting in him being moved to fullback. The rest were able to play in other positions (preferred another position), and their skill-sets were more suited to it…

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.10.11 00:33:44 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 81) : All those guys were played at flyhalf coz of the importance attached to the position.

    Frans Steyn played 10 when he broke into the Sharks starting line up as a teenager

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.10.11 07:57:42 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 81) : he played 10 for the sharks and for the springboks …he played when ruan got injured and when he first broke onto the scene, also in a game vs italy .

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.10.11 09:11:01 by Talent Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 81) : what about Gits? he was at one stage probably the best 10 in the world for a season . I just think its premature to limit him to 10 when in my oppinion his skill set will better suit 15

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.10.11 09:13:03 by Talent Reply

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