Sharks pack the bench with Boks

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 13 Oct 2011 at 17:15
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The Sharks have opted to use all of their returning Springboks – with the exception of John Smit and Beast Mtawarira – for this weekend’s game against the Lions, with the bulk of those playing off the bench. The return from injury of Craig Burden and Ryan Kankowski further strengthens the match 22.

It’s all change in the pack, with Wiehahn Herbst coming in to start at tighthead prop, while Eugene van Staden moves over to the loose head side and Burden replaces Kyle Cooper as starting hooker. Jean Deysel continues at lock alongside Ross Skeate, while Keegan Daniel (retaining the captaincy) moves to the open side flank to make room for Kankowski at 8. Marcell Coetzee shows high highly rated he is by retaining his starting spot on the blind side – the only young player to do so.

Cooper is joined by other unlucky youngsters in Dale Chadwick, Anton Bresler and Jandre Marais, all of whom fall out of the 22 this week. In a squad with Skeate as the only specialist lock, Willem Alberts will provide second row cover off the bench, alongside Jacques Botes, who will earn his 99th Currie Cup cap if he comes on. The du Plessis brothers will add much impetus later in the game, named to sit together on the bench.

Conrad Hoffmann, Fred Michalak and Lwazi Mvovo are the only backs to have retained their starting positions; a new centre pairing sees Marius Joubert and Stefan Terblanche at inside and outside centre respectively, with Meyer Bosman and Adi Jacobs both out injured this week. Odwa Ndungane and Pat Lambie complete the back three, as Sbura Sithole and Gouws Prinsloo also fall out to the under 21 side. JP Pietersen and Jacques-Louis Potgieter join Ross Cronje as the backline reserves this week.

The Sharks

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Odwa Ndungane
13. Stefan Terblanche
12. Marius Joubert
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Frederic Michalak
9. Conrad Hoffmann
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Marcell Coetzee
6. Keegan Daniel (Captain)
5. Ross Skeate
4. Jean Deysel
3. Wiehahn Herbst
2. Craig Burden
1. Eugene van Staden

16. Bismarck du Plessis
17. Jannie du Plessis
18. Willem Alberts
19. Jacques Botes
20. Ross Cronje
21. Jacques-Louis Potgieter
22. JP Pietersen


  • BOOM! Lambie at 15 I see.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.10.11 17:16:26 by hendrikp Reply
  • bissie just can not get a start :mrgreen:

    When he comes on i feel sorry the lions players someone will have to take one for the team.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.10.11 17:18:42 by Muzi Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 1) : That is where Lambie played at Michaelhouse he should stay at full back.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.10.11 17:19:54 by Muzi Reply
  • @Muzi (Comment 2) : you know that this is simply because he hasn’t practised with them all week, right?

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.10.11 17:21:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not too much faith being shown in the Sharks specialist locks at the moment. 🙁

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.10.11 17:22:23 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Why is he even playing?

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.10.11 17:23:20 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : :mrgreen: i know i’m just asking for it. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.10.11 17:23:39 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 3) :

    Ouch don’t say that around here…

    South African mentality is to turn every player who has played flyhalf into a flyhalf to try find one that is perfect.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.10.11 17:23:55 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.10.11 17:25:27 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : remember what i said concerning kanko :mrgreen:

    I must admit that needed a big fat clap. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.10.11 17:28:10 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 9) :

    We measure the positions. As in flyhalf being more important then fullback. Or centre being more important then wing.

    Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. You’re better off letting the player play in the position he is best suited to, and then you’ll be able to get the most out of him.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.10.11 17:28:12 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 11) : Don’t you know he is 3D Super Pat :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.10.11 17:29:39 by Muzi Reply

  • @beet (Comment 5) : yes… it’s a concern. But Plum knows what he wants and what he wants is big ball carriers to get him over the advantage line.

    Will be interesting to see how he ends up using the subs.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.10.11 17:30:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • If kyle cooper wants game time then he should start talking to his agent about loftus. :mrgreen:

    Chilliboy is good but abit injury prone.

    Cooper would be a legend at the bulls.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.10.11 17:31:37 by Muzi Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : You guys are going to thrash the lions.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.10.11 17:32:15 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 12) :

    Should clone him.

    I’d back the Fullback Pat to have the most successful career because he’d be able to choose his moments, rather then being relied upon as a first receiver… having it forced on him to make things happen.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.10.11 17:32:21 by hendrikp Reply

  • why not play lambie at center, please dont tell me he is going to play fullback next year. I’m not saying he is not good there but we need him more at flyhalf next year when ludik comes back. Michelak is not going to be around for more than a year so we rather invest in ludik, then lambie must play 10.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.10.11 17:33:43 by cody0007 Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 14) :

    Look man, the last talented hooker that went to Pretoria hasn’t been heard from since. I’d make use of Zane Botha before I start looking elsewhere.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.10.11 17:33:55 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : Amen to that Sir.

    Try explaining that to the sharkies here.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.10.11 17:34:45 by Muzi Reply

  • where are all the Sharks fans?

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.10.11 17:34:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) : Zane Botha got a terrible knee ligament injury before that he was on fire.

    He needs to bulk up in my honest opinion.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.10.11 17:36:45 by Muzi Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :

    None left. Not performing. Moved on. 😆

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.10.11 17:37:25 by hendrikp Reply

  • haha i’m loving this bulls supporters and wp supporters are taking over sharksworld.

    Rob is very worried :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.10.11 17:37:38 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) : which one is that?

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.10.11 17:38:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 22) : They have given up hope :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.10.11 17:38:31 by Muzi Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    Was talking about Zane. Maybe a bit too much of a Deon Fourie type though to ever get serious consideration…

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.10.11 17:41:14 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : Yep he is explosive and fiery BUT its his size that i’m worried about.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.10.11 17:42:42 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : @Muzi (Comment 27) : why are we talking about an overrated Bulls junior on a thread about the Sharks team?

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.10.11 17:48:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    Don’t blame me. I was trying to stop the poaching!

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.10.11 17:50:42 by hendrikp Reply

  • Hendrikp Rob can not stand the word BLUE BULLS eventhough he went to boys high.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.10.11 17:57:05 by Muzi Reply

  • Aiyaiyai our centers 🙁
    Well here is a Sharks supporter I think the rest thought the team would be released only on Saturday 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.10.11 18:02:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : I agree!! These days Sharks threads are about talking about future players, Bulletjies and how the men from the North are poaching more than the Pocock playerwise. Miss the days of continuous threads concentrating on Sharks Players/Rugby 🙁

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.10.11 18:11:21 by Mocho Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 27) :

    TBH I don’t think it’s Zane Botha’s size that is the problem.

    Richardt Strauss is one of the smallest hookers you’ll ever see play professional rugby, and he was easily one of the toughest.

    I’m just not a fan of hookers who try play centre… No fan of Tiaan Liebenberg, but always happy when he starts ahead of Deon Fourie. Your hooker should be able to put his head down and make yards.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.10.11 18:12:01 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 32) :

    Hey I’m happy to talk Sharks… let’s go. What we talking about!? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.10.11 18:12:51 by hendrikp Reply

  • Hope they don’t plan on going into the play-offs with only 1 line-out lock (Ross Skeate)… Need Bresler or Hargreaves on the bench.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.10.11 18:17:36 by hendrikp Reply

  • Hendrikp the bulls have the Grey College VIP centre pairing Jan Serfontein and Swanepoel add Sadie now thats something to talk about future boks boet.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.10.11 18:29:37 by Muzi Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : What happened to your statement of a few weeks ago when you said Lambie shouldn’t play fullback? Just after a Bok game when Lambie didn’t do great. He doesn’t have enough pace to become a world class FB imo.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.10.11 18:34:28 by Ben Reply
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  • The returning Boks pretty much just stepped off the plane and we’ve got two centres out injured so there was always a chance Lambie would be moved to fullback for this game (and perhaps even the rest of the CC games). Let’s not read too much into these selections.

    Let’s face it – JLP can’t buy a start at the Sharks. We either have Pat and Fred rotating at flyhalf in next year’s SR or we’re stuck with three pretty decent fullbacks (four if Oupa stays on). I have a feeling even Plum can get that selection right. 😀

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.10.11 20:27:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • nice team – let’s hope that Conrad and Freddie bring their A-game.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.10.11 20:37:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) : i keep wondering what JLP was thinking coming to the Sharks, but I guess Freddie was not in the picture then.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.10.11 20:38:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 40) : Neither were Lambie. He thought he was going to be the 1st choice flyhalf.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.10.11 20:54:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : I guess so – Freddie was supposed to be 9 🙄 Though after the Boks heroics at the back Lambie may want to revisit – I like him at 15.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.10.11 20:58:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • Fred > Pat

    That is why he is playing 15.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.10.11 21:23:55 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 43) : I doubt it.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.10.11 21:34:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Hope we get good momentum and show some CC champions play in this game…surprised to see Kanko straight into starting… Go Kanko show us your stuff..

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.10.11 21:41:17 by Franshark Reply
  • @Ben (Comment 37) :

    I changed my mind after he performed against teams of a higher caliber. Is that allowed? :mrgreen:

    I’m not going to argue my case too much, but Lambie is an opportunist. Yes he could make a good 10, but I believe he is instinctively a better fullback. Forget about his calm nature and all that… what position does he play well instinctively! I was very impressed with his positioning and all that against everyone but Namibia, which is why I think that. Why he’d want to be burdened with the responsibilities and criticism that comes with playing flyhalf I have no idea.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.10.11 00:39:08 by hendrikp Reply

  • I think it is foolish NOT to play Lambie at 10. Move Freddie to scrumhalf or inside centre, do whatever you tickles your fancy, like converting Deysel into a tighthead prop, but play Lambie in 10!!!

    @hendrikp (Comment 16) : Pat thrives on just that, he is a natural decision maker.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.10.11 05:50:59 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • I want to ask a Bok question now that the dust are settling.

    Can anyone with a copy of THAT game check on the incident where Brussouw got hurt. It sits in the back of my mind ( which may be wrong ) that it was a shoulder charge, much like the one Bakkies was sidelined for, if not so blatent as the Bakkies one.

    I firmly believe rugby is being played as hard off the field by players, administrators etc, who are transferred to referees etc. And I firmly believe SA is miles behind in that department, mainly because of our gentlemanly take on stuff, which do not have a place any more since rugby became professional and winning means CASH CASH CASH :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.10.11 05:58:27 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Okay just a question: Isn`t it true that if the bokke doesn`t play in this final round robin game, they`re not allowed to play in the semi`s and final?

    If this is the case, shouldn`t we have started all our available bokke to make provision for the finals?

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.10.11 06:41:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Where’s beast?

    Would have liked to see Lambie at 10, but maybe its good that he finishes the season out at 15. He can start the s15 fresh and at 10.

    Glad to see Kanko back.

    And what a bench, would love to see the impact these big boys make.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.10.11 08:13:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • Slowest and oldest 12/13/14 combo in the history of the game.

    I really hope Stef and Odwa retire at the end of this year.

    Very happy to see Kanko back. The loose trio always looks so much more balanced with Keegan at 6, a big ball carrier like Coetzee or Willem at 7 and Kanko at 8.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.10.11 08:17:28 by John Galt Reply

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  • The more i see Lambie at 15, the more i like him there. He definitely has enough pace to play there and also has the brains and composure to go with it! He can really establish himself as the Bok 15 for the next few years. Personally I would have liked to see Stef at 12 and Joubert at 13, i just think they better suited that way. Will be interesting to see how the forwards combine and also how Plum uses his bench as rugby is a 22man game now!

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.10.11 09:01:01 by SheldonK Reply

  • @John Galt (Comment 51) : While I agree that Odwa may not be the paciest guy around, he compensates with an unparralelled workrate and feel for the game, and can still contribute to the Sharks cause.

    As for 12, I also don’t believe pace to be vitally important. Sadly, unlike with Odwa, I have yet to be convinced that Marius Joubert offers anything to compensate for his lack of toe…

    So for my money, I’d like Marius and Stef to retire (and Stef to obtain some coaching qualifications – to keep Beet happy – and become involved with conditioning coaching at the Sharks), while Odwa can still stick around.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.10.11 09:06:01 by Culling Song Reply
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  • And today is Kanko’s birthday

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.10.11 09:06:45 by Franshark Reply
  • I hope the Sharks can play the sort of game that won them the Currie Cup last year, i.e dominating the possession.

    Talking about that, I think the Boks tried to play a last years Currie Cup Sharks game plan last Sunday. They missed one key component, quick ball by the scrummie ( like McCloed) and a Flyhalf in the Lambie/Butch mold.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.10.11 09:25:47 by Mocho Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Problem is, what do we do with Riaan Viljoen, Louis Ludik and Gouws Prinsloo (and possibly Oupa) if Lambie becomes the incumbent fullback?

    That’s at the Sharks. What if the new Springbok coach decides to discard the kick/chase? With AC seeming the favourite that’s a real possibility. Chances are Morne Steyn will be shown the door. Do we bring in players such as Johan Goosen, Elton Jantjies or Sias Ebersohn directly into this position at Springbok level? Or God forbid do we give Ruan Pienaar another go at 10?

    Lambie’s future position probably requires a decision to be made at national level and it should be one of the first things the new Bok coach decides on (and thereafter he should convince Frans Steyn to return to the Sharks 😀 ).

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.10.11 09:29:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 5) : A slap in the face for Anton and Jandre. Anton was good enough to play S15 this year but not Currie Cup. Wake up guys.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.10.11 09:35:23 by FS Shark Reply

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  • @FS Shark (Comment 57) : I agree with you… and with neither of those boys on the bench, if the lineouts start to go wrong again, we’ve got nobody to bring on to fix them.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.10.11 09:47:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FS Shark (Comment 57) : @robdylan (Comment 58) : I am also very dissapointed that neither of them are in the 22.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.10.11 10:03:48 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 39) : Hi Reki, long time no see. When I saw the team I imagined you doing cartwheels to see that Bosman did not recover enough to play.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.10.11 10:06:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : I actually would have preferred him at centre this week!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.10.11 10:12:50 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 61) : Same here. We finally get some consistency from him and then he goes and gets injured 🙄

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.10.11 10:24:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 61) : Me too.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.10.11 10:27:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 56) : The reason I say keep Lambie at 15 is because he has a calm presence there that allows the backline to just go about their job without worrying about the guy behind them- kinda like wat Stef offered a couple years ago for the Sharks. Lambie can also show up at 10 in broken play if needed. In terms of Viljoen and Ludick, i know my thinking might not be a popular choice but im just going on what ive seen from them. Viljoen at 10 and Ludick on the wing. The reason being Viljoen has a good passing game and attacks the line- could be the new Butch! Ludick has enough pace to play on the wing and had a stormer there in S15. Gouws will need to bide his time, Lambie wont play every game.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.10.11 10:29:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • What’s the plan with centres for next year (super 15)? Surely MJ can’t be the answer and ST can’t still be there next year.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.10.11 10:38:34 by Gotti Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : So does Fred start ahead of Viljoen? And where in the wing pecking order is Ludik? Lambie at 15 makes things really complicated for the Shakrs in my opinion.

    @Gotti (Comment 65) : Frans Steyn 😈

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.10.11 11:00:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) : I would start Viljoen ahead of Michalak, purely because i think the Sharks are lacking an aggressive 10. Also Viljoen offers long distance goal kicking option. Id play Ludick ahead of Mvovo as JP is very good and Mvovo offers a lot of pace off the bench so good impact. Ludick’s workrate at wing is very high-more so than when he is at 15.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.10.11 11:04:01 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Well, I guess we’ll have to see what Plum’s thinking is next year :). For all we know he’s convinced Honiball to come back out of retirement :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.10.11 11:06:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin what a nice surprise it wud b. What happened 2 ronnie cook (outside centre)?

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.10.11 11:15:18 by Gotti Reply

  • @Gotti (Comment 69) : Plying his trade at some French club last I heard. I think there were talks that he would be coming to the Sharks along with MJ if I recall correctly?

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.10.11 11:19:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 68) : I think Plum would need to do lots of puruading to get Honiball off his farm! Yeh will be interesting to see how he manages all his players as there wasnt too much rotation this year unless guys got injured.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.10.11 11:49:54 by SheldonK Reply

  • The Lions should have the better of the Sharks for sure with the run on teams….but the Sharks should get the upper hand when bringing on their bench…

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.10.11 12:02:08 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 72) : are you actually on drugs today? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.10.11 14:05:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Do people really think that Pat is going to start at 10 in the super 15 next year,with Michalak still here.

    Imo Fred will be used as 10.

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.10.11 14:17:04 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 74) : Yes, I do think so. Plum knows his value in this position, otherwise he would have gotten cover at 10 and not as fulback as he has been doing.

    Now we just need a proper 12 to start next to him. Frans Steyn, Bradley Barrit….

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.10.11 14:57:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 75) : FS would be great, but he is contracted till June 2012 as far as I know.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.10.11 15:48:02 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 76) : Yeah read that somewhere as well. Spoiled my day.

    Hopefully someone in sharks management has a reminder ready for when he becomes available again . . .

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.10.11 19:04:16 by Original Pierre Reply
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