Fred declared fit

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 25 Oct 2011 at 07:36
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The Sharks received a boost ahead of Saturday’s Currie Cup Final as French flyhalf Frederic Michalak was cleared to play, after being forced off the field half an hour into last week’s semi-final against the Cheetahs.

An early – and somewhat unexplained – collision between Michalak and team mate Stefan Terblanche seemed to unsettle the usually reliable Frenchman and his kicking form, which has seen him sprint to the top of the competition’s overall point scoring table, deserted him for once. After missing two complete sitters, as well as delivering some lacklustre all-round play, Michalak was substituted, with Pat Lambie going on to deliver a masterful performance at flyhalf.

With many Sharks fans clamouring for Lambie to start at ten this week, regardless of Michalak’s state of fitness, the news that inside centre Marius Joubert is rated at best 50-50 for the final may force a rethink. Joubert picked up a groin injury against Free State, but is mercifully the only injury concern after that game. Already missing stalwart Meyer Bosman to long-term injury, John Plumtree is going to have to scratch his head to find a good option in the number 12 jersey, where Joubert himself has been somewhat of a stopgap. Adi Jacobs, while capable in the position, has always been considered a more natural outside centre, while Jacques-Louis Potgieter seems to be tracking just a little too far outside the selection radar to be pulled straight into the starting team.

Exponents of the “Lambie at ten and nowhere else” school of thought may find themselves needing to adapt their mindsets quickly, with the 21-year-old Bok rapidly emerging as the most logical choice to play inside centre, yet another position in which he has excelled in the past. The loss of Louis Ludik to long-term injury then opens the door for Odwa Ndungane to don the number 15 jersey he last wore some years back, with Lwazi Mvovo promoted to the starting lineup. That back three (with JP Pietersen the other member) would be a sight to behold on attack, but might just be missing the sort of assured you’d boot that you’d like to have on your side in a tight final.

Plumtree has a full pack of forward from which to choose, with Alistair Hargreaves pushing hard for inclusion this week after sitting out for around a month with a back complaint.


  • Will these positional moves be good in a CC FINAL game….. I feel a bit uneasy about that 😕

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.10.11 07:59:47 by SharksRTB Reply
  • As for 1 – 8… We should take them there without any doubt ❗

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.10.11 08:00:37 by SharksRTB Reply
  • I can see the same team running out this weekend as the semi final. I feel for Bresler, he warmed up and everything on Sat only for Deysel to be ok so he had to go change and sit in the stands!

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.10.11 08:08:31 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SharksRTB (Comment 1) : if a player is injured, it’s not like we’ll have much choice

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.10.11 08:26:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lambie at 12 then, Adi at 13 and Stef at 15.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.10.11 08:46:29 by JarsonX Reply
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  • And I guess bringing in a newby like Jordaan would just not be on..

    Did we not have Pat at 12, Fred @ 10 before in the SR?

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.10.11 08:52:51 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 6) : In the wet and muddy CC match against Province on the Friday before the Wallabies test at King’s Park.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.10.11 09:00:49 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • Lambie 10, JLP 12, Adi 13, Stef 15??

    Works for me!

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.10.11 09:02:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 5) :I agree

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.10.11 09:05:51 by Franshark Reply
  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 7) : I think that was @ Newlands, the KSA T-shirt game.. 😉

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.10.11 09:09:47 by Franshark Reply
  • Froth Froggle is, as we speak, being seduced by the dark side of the Boot…

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.10.11 09:10:09 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 6) : In the game that Fred and Lambie played 10 & 12 they seemed to get in each others way as they both saw the game very differently and saw different gaps and angles. However, when they were on the same page they broke the line on a number of occasions.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.10.11 09:13:18 by SheldonK Reply

  • I`ve got no problem with Lambie at 12 and Stefan back at 15. That`s the way we should`ve started last week anyway.

    Why did we have to wait for injuries before we select our best possible backline?

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.10.11 09:22:44 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Them both seeing the game very differently is part of the reason I think those who say Pat will learn a lot from Fred are off-centre (pardon the unintentional pun!)- Pat looks forwards, always assessing the game and the field of play in front of him, Fred looks sideways, to the wings… he’s more reactive than proactive. In many respects I think it is Fred who could learn a little from Pat, but then I am not exactly regarded as the benchmark in unbiased assessment where our former flyhalf is concerned, am I!

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.10.11 09:22:47 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • I went down the path of logic and believe JLP should probably play 12.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.10.11 09:28:55 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : I think they can both learn from each other as they both have good qualities and their views of the game are not necessarily wrong. U said that Pat sees the game going forward which is probably a result of him playing 15 a lot. Fred sees the game sideways which is probably a result of him spending a lot of time at 9/10. They could be a good combo, but it could also go horribly wrong.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.10.11 09:38:09 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : Your not allowed to say things like that about a 21 year old player. How could a 29 year old possibly learn anything from him? 😉

    I always think Lambie will be better at 10, but I’m happy with him at 12.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.10.11 09:47:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 15) : yeah, but the doubt of him being selected is the problem…that’s why we are discussing possible combo’s with players we KNOW will be in the team! 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.10.11 09:51:11 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • You know whats scary? The Lions centre pairing dominated the incumbent Springbok one. Even more worrying is that our centres are considered our major Achilles heel.

    Hollenbach is a machine and one fears that if Adi is playing inside centre, he may be exposed. No, I am not saying I dont rate Adi or am part of the Adi cant teckel Minibus,its just that he is more suited to outside centre. Even though I firmly believe in not messing Lambie around with regard to his posotion, circumstances call for him to play inside centre. JLP is also an option, but his lack of game time counts him out. Theres simply no other choice.

    The Lions also depend a lot from turnover ball, with Derick Minnie giving the Mountain Chokers all sort of problems at the breakdown. One hopes that the Sharks can use the same tactic in last years Currie Cup and clear the rucks well, thus nullifying the fetchers and the opportunity to give turnovers to the Lions.

    In the second half against their orange foes, the Sharks played the sort of game plan that won them the Currie Cup last year i.e. starving the opposition of the possession. In order for us to do that again, we need quick ball from the Hoffman, and a Flyhalf that is play-maker. Luckily the Sharks have two of the best in the country 🙂

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.10.11 09:58:29 by Mocho Reply

  • Play Lambie at 10 and put JLP at 12. Neither will let us down.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.10.11 10:15:45 by jonnow Reply

  • Let Adi just play…12 or 13…maakie saakie !!! :mrgreen: 😆 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.10.11 10:26:45 by Charlie Reply

  • Pat is our best fh and I am with Sharon on this, he does NOT have to learn anything from Freddie.

    Start with Pat at fh this week. He is our best fh. Once Freddie came off last week and Pat went to fh we only then started play better. Freddie was poor last week.

    Also looks like the whether forecast is rain the whole day in Joburg.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.10.11 10:38:01 by Puma Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 21) : 🙂

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.10.11 10:38:57 by Puma Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : Cheers sweetheart – always value your opinion. You rock. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.10.11 10:40:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • Lambie at 12 reminds me of Berrick Barnes [email protected]Puma (Comment 22) : True last weeks game skwed my perception of what should happen ,delicate situation.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.10.11 10:45:21 by Talent Reply
  • @Puma (Comment 22) :

    If it rains we are truely screwed ..

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.10.11 10:47:29 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 22) : I wouldn’t say he has nothing to learn… Hell, he’s just been on the biggest learning curve of his career in NZ… It’s just the whole dimensional thing when it boils down to it – Pat is multifaceted and multidimensional, Fred is more predictable, sitting deeper in the pocket. It’s like Fred has thought out his moves before he takes the field, whereas Pat makes it up as he goes along according to what’s happening in the game, making split-second decisions which turn the game on its head.

    That’s not to say Fred doesn’t have the ability to improvise – he’s a sensational player and a credit to the team (remember that classic beautifully weighted cross-field kick to Ludik which he scored from?)and if there’s one thing Pat does need to add to his arsenal its the drop goal, and who better to teach him than Fred?

    You all know my feelings on the long-term, but for this Saturday we have to field the strongest possible team, and if that means Pat at 15, 12 or 10 I have no problem with it and back it to the hilt. He will be fantastic wherever he plays, of that I am sure. Hell, I’d even put money on him at hooker! (Sorry Bis!) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.10.11 10:54:51 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 26) : I know… 😎

    My feeling if it rains it will be easier for Sharks. No rain it is 50/50 can’t take much from the beating we gave your boys in the semi.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.10.11 11:02:10 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 28) : Q: What’s the difference between Bryce Lawrence and half a Viagra?
    A: With half a Viagra you get a semi…

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.10.11 11:04:57 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 27) : Agree but really Pat don’t have to learn anything from Freddie. Said it few weeks back here.

    Pat was our best fh in our conference in SuperRugby. Also the best fh in CC last year too.

    Sure he learned a lot playing with the Boks. Then again he was one that came back with his head held high. Played superb at fb too. For now just want Pat to play in one position only. That should be fh.

    We brought Freddie to cover fh and scrummie. Last week it was Pat that got us playing well and not Freddie. Leave Freddie on the bench this week.

    Sharks just have to support their own first and not the overseas player. We mess with Pat we will lose him like we done with Fransie.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.10.11 11:10:00 by Puma Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 29) : 😆

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.10.11 11:11:11 by Puma Reply

  • I just luuuuvvv the extremely knowledgeable ladies on SW. :mrgreen: I alas thought that Lady Rugga would have been from here 😉

    Instead of messing with Lambie on 12 ( NEXT YEAR ), maybe John could give JPP a go in midfield? He is certainly strong and pacey enough to make an impact on both 12 and 13? Just a thought, ANYTHING to get Pat to stay on 10 😀

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.10.11 14:27:07 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 32) : we have Taute coming and we have some awsome young guys too..if only plum used the CC to bleed them!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.10.11 15:29:47 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 32) : Interesting thought… Tana Umaga shifted from wing to 13, and then 12 with great success…

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.10.11 15:30:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 33) : Taute coming to the Sharks?? You mean Viljoen?

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.10.11 15:35:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Fred no doubt if he is fit,look what he did the previous game to the lions.

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.10.11 15:35:43 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 35) : hahaha – shows u I should be working and not kuiering on here – Tim Whitehead

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.10.11 15:43:18 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 37) :

    Wakker slaap Bokkie! 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.10.11 15:57:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 34) : Culling Song, is it true that the great Bakkies Botha was born in Newcastle? If so I now understand why you writie such hard hitting comments. Do the the sheep in culling song give us steel wool?

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.10.11 15:59:01 by Mocho Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : This is what Wikipedia says.

    John Philip “Bakkies” Botha, (born 22 September 1979 in Newcastle, KwaZulu-Natal Province).

    We breed them tough over here!

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.10.11 16:02:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Does anyone know where to get some proper tickets? When I try to book them on computicket it keeps pushing me into the highest corner of the Stadium. I don’t care if the ticket is more expensive, I just want to be able to make out the difference between Lambie and Jannie Du Plusis when I’m watching the game!

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.10.11 21:48:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : think I was suffering from mid season SMSS virus when I wrote that. ( Sharks Mid season Sleep )

    Ment to say do the Sheep in Newcastle give us steel will?

    @Pokkel (Comment 40) : LoL I’m going to send my son to a school in Newcastle!!
    Then he’ll write well and grow some enforcing abilities.

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.10.11 21:59:20 by Mocho Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 41) : i know gumtree has a bad rep but i got tickets for the currie cup final last year through there

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.10.11 22:09:44 by shaniboi Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 41) : Lambie will be the one that moves a little faster.

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.10.11 08:18:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : 😆

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.10.11 12:15:45 by Letgo Reply
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