Time for a break

Written by Charl du Plessis (Pokkel)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks on 31 Oct 2011 at 11:31
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This article started as a comment but ended up being so long that I thought it might be an appropriate article.

Firstly a huge congratulation to the Lions! They played with the same heart and commitment as the 2010 Sharks in the final and it showed. I’ll admit that I was very jealous because I know how great it felt last year when the Sharks did the same thing to Western Province.

The Sharks management has a lot of work to do in the off season because there is definitely some changes needed in personal and players. We need a backline coach. We need a plan B, plan C and if needed a plan D!
Brendon Venter would make a nice addition although I can’t see Plum and Brendon working together because they both seem very hard headed.

We need to play the best players in their position without caring what the paycheck for these players are.

We need centres! We need centres! We need centres!

We also desperately need a captain. Keegan sorry mate but you are not cut out to be a captain. Keegan is a great ball player but he is not a great ‘fetcher’ and I don’t care what anybody says in the modern game you DO need a fetcher type player. I would stick my neck out and make Lambie captain despite his age because I just don’t really see anybody else at the Sharks capable of taking on the leadership role.

We need a fetcher! We need a fetcher! We need a fetcher!

We need to play Lambie at 10 and nowhere else. If that means that Freddie doesn’t make the team then so be it. Maybe Freddie should start practicing his scrumhalf play for next year because that is probably where we will need him most.

Stef thanks for all the good years but I’m happy to see you go because I think you overstayed your welcome by a year.

So I’ve said nothing new because it’s so glaringly obvious and let’s hope the powers that be can do something about the situation before the 2012 SupeRugby season.

Probably a good thing that the rugby is over for the next 3 months from an emotional perspective. I need a rugby break, even though I know I will miss rugby every Saturday. I’m going to try not to think about the Sharks too much but I’ll be back and supporting the Sharks as I always do. So till next year my friends!

Sharks Forever!


  • Hell – I am dissapointed, but still gonna miss my rugby!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.10.11 11:35:40 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • The rugby this year has been an emotional rollercoaster.

    Beginning with S15 and the great start to the season the Sharks had and it all ended pretty disappointing with the loss against the Saders.

    The WC was terrible on the nerves and we all felt so cheated after the loss to the Aussies.

    And then the CC where the Sharks were up and down faster than yo-yo’s.

    I’m actually tired of rugby but I know that by this weekend at 5 I’ll be craving by weekly ‘fix’

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.10.11 11:45:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ Pokkel…Nothing better then the truth…No wonder the truth will set you free… 😉

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.10.11 11:48:28 by Charlie Reply

  • Will be interesting to see the Sharks Super rugby squad and which u21s get senior contracts….

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.10.11 11:52:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : A surprise or two, that will be it… 👿

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.10.11 11:55:11 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 5) :

    Are we allowed to know what’s Adi’s future holds yet?

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.10.11 11:56:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Well said Pokkel.

    We will not get anywhere with our midfield and it showed again, 2 average centres in Hollenbach and Doppies made us look stupid.

    Is Whitehead coming or not, Pokkel?

    Can not agree with you more that we need a fetcher, Kanko just dissapeared again everytime the game is tight. Play Willem at 8 and get a fetcher, a proper fetcher!!!!

    We need a good 9 as well, give Reinach a chance!!

    I like the idea of Deysel at lock, he just needs to grow into the position, give it time it will come.

    Again Pokkel I agree 100% with you on Keegan, he is not a captain.
    Deysel will be my choice, give Lambie another year.
    Can we now agree that Lambie is a 10, and like you said if Freddy needs to bench, so be it.

    Alot of work to be done in off season.

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.10.11 11:57:32 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) :

    Whitehead has signed with the Sharks for next year.

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.10.11 11:58:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) :

    Doppies is not an average player ..he has proven year after year he is a helluva player ..there is no centre in the country that competes on the deck like he does .defensivly sound ..Bok material no but not average.

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.10.11 12:03:10 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) : @Pokkel (Comment 8) :

    I must also add that even if we had SBW and Jaque Fourie as centres BUT we had no plan it wouldn’t help at all. We really need a backline coach with a PLAN.

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.10.11 12:03:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok 😉 (Comment 9) :

    I agree and Hollenbach has also impressed. I doubt Doppies will be a Bok though because his age counts against him.

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.10.11 12:04:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Nice article Pokkel and I agree with most of what you’ve said.

    If we somehow managed to bag Brendan Venter, Plum would have to go. As you mentioned in your article I just can’t see those two working together. But that’s pie in the sky stuff. I doubt Plum is in any danger of being fired.

    Regarding Keegan – he’s not a fetcher and the Sharks would probably benefit from one but personally I’m not ready to see him replaced or stripped from his captaincy. That may be the Sharks blinkers talking though, I don’t know. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.10.11 12:06:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’m sorry Pokkel but this article sounds a lot like a spoiled kid who did not get what they want for Christmas. For the record I don’t think we need centres or a fetcher or even a new captain. But I do agree that we really could do with some new ideas in the coaching department.

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.10.11 12:15:48 by war1 Reply
  • Oom Dries It is the end of the season one that i and my family really enjoyed we tried to follow Marcell and the Sharks all over the country and one slipp are not going to prevent me doing it next year as well i am extremely proud of my son and the Sharks and i want to thank Richard ,Rob and all the Sharksworld clan for all their possitive comments towards Marcell have a good of season.

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.10.11 12:22:28 by Dries Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 13) :
    “For the record I don’t think we need centres or a fetcher or even a new captain…”
    You’re the only one that thinks that, mate. Well, you and John Plum that is.

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.10.11 12:26:22 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Dries (Comment 14) : Marcell has had a phenomenal season. My vote for Sharks Currie cup player of the season.

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.10.11 12:26:40 by war1 Reply
  • @Dries (Comment 14) : Oom Dries. Marcell verdien al die goeie dinge wat oor hom gesê is hierdie jaar en daar lê ‘n baie blink toekoms vir hom voor.

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.10.11 12:29:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dries (Comment 14) : Marcell is going to go from strength to strength. Congratulations to your son for an amazing 2011. He has the fire and the guts to be a Sharks legend.

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.10.11 12:30:31 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 15) : Remember want and need are two different things.

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.10.11 12:30:53 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 13) :

    Fair enough. I may be a spoiled brat but I’m not blind to the problems within the Sharks.

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.10.11 12:31:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : the Sharks should buy Stegmann, he is better than Keegan, alread y a Bok 😆

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.10.11 12:32:50 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 21) :
    hehehe…I’ll rather stop watching rugby all together. 😉

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.10.11 12:34:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Pokkel I agree with 99% of what you said. I don`t like your Brendan Venter idea though. I think we need to cast our net far and wide to find an able backline assistant.

    Eddie Jones or make Mitchell an offer he can`t refuse ( as long as he brings Taute and Hollenbach with LOL!! ).

    Strange for me to admit this but I need a break from rugby as well. 😕

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.10.11 12:35:18 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : hahahahahahahaa :mrgreen: 😆

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.10.11 12:37:14 by Megatron Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 23) :

    Mitchell would be great but I’ll settle for Carlos Spencer.

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.10.11 12:38:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 13) : So you are happy going into SupeRugby 2012 with Marius Joubert, Meyer Bosman, Tim Whitehead and Adrian Jacobs?

    I’m with Pokkel. We definitely need at least one more centre. Even if it is someone coming up from the juniors!

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.10.11 12:44:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 13) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I nominate war1 for Clown of the Day! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Thanks at least you put a smile on my face today!

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.10.11 12:45:16 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 21) : I agree they should get Stegmann…he would fit perfectly into the Sharkie outfit!

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.10.11 12:46:02 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 23) : be realistic 🙄 eddie jones is the DoR at Suntory Sungoliath, Mitchell is the Head Coach at the Lions and has just won currie cup and you think they’ll go to Durban to be just backline coaches?

    has campese left KZN?
    is Sean Everitt not ready?
    how about asking Paul Treu to consult as Skills Coach?
    where is Carel du Plessis?

    think out of the box.

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.10.11 12:46:52 by Megatron Reply

  • i think we need a rested and well prepared team, so they must enjoy the rest like we will and be back next year to get our cup back 😆

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.10.11 12:47:11 by chaz Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : I hear you, but unfortunately the reality of the situation is that you are not the in the position to solve the problems you see.

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.10.11 12:49:33 by war1 Reply
  • Stegmann the most over-rated loosie in the country by a country mile.

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.10.11 12:49:41 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : Off course…the word will be out soon 😉

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.10.11 12:50:27 by Charlie Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : I think Campese may still be living in Durban having married a local. I saw an interview with him recently and he was kitted out in Sharks gear for the whole interview, that may have been a old interview though. The only problem is he did not leave the Sharks on the best terms and he may be too stubborn to want to come back.

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.10.11 12:53:22 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 31) : And neither are you. So please explain to me the purpose of this blog if we are not allowed to express our own views and opinion?

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.10.11 12:57:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : hehehe I`ll willing submit to a new headcoach as well. 😈

    But hey, like Rob said earlier in the year : “We`ve all seen this movie before.” So I won`t hold my breath for any big name signings.

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.10.11 12:59:35 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 31) :

    I can dream can’t I? I just wish for the management to address these problems.

    I don’t think we need to spend millions. As Megatron said maybe get Sean Everitt involved with the senior team.

    We should have blooded some young players during the CC in the centres but didn’t. Think outside the box and bring Riaan Viljoen, Odwa or Jordaan into the centres. Kleynhans is another player that should have been involved with the senior team more.

    My biggest gripe is that we tend to continue playing with players that cost a fortune just because the cost a fortune and not because they are playing well. This CC should have been used to experiment and we failed to do this.

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.10.11 13:00:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 26) : We have to make do with what we’ve got. Next year is time for Piet Lindeque to step up. If he does not, look for a centre.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.10.11 13:04:53 by war1 Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : I feel your pain bro! With you on this one. A sabbatical will do me good..

    But I do have a confession to make….
    My record in attending finals 😥 very poor!!
    1999 – Lost to the Lions
    2000 – Lost to the WP
    2007 (S14) – Lost to the Bulls…
    2011 – Lost to the Lions…

    I don’t think I am going to watch a final again!
    And it doesn’t get any better… It hurts every time!

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.10.11 13:05:25 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 38) : Make due just ain’t gonna cut it. So Sharks wont even make SupeRugby play-offs next year.

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.10.11 13:06:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 38) : Even if Piet Lindeque makes the step up we have 4 outside centres. What about 12? Only Meyer Bosman is a out and out inside centre.

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.10.11 13:10:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) : We should never have gotten Marius Joubert, that was a bad signing. My outside the box outside centre would be Sithole, I can also dream.

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.10.11 13:10:56 by war1 Reply
  • Couldnt agree more Pokkel. I posted my thoughts on another site earlier today.

    Nice one Lions. You played a bloody great game of rugby on Saturday.

    Hopefully Plum will now see how poor his team selection has been this whole season. Hindsight being a perfect science and all.
    Rudolf Strauli should also bear the brunt of the blame in this regard.

    I said all of last week that all the Lions had to do was front up in the tight exchanges and our extremely medoicre backs wouldnt have any answer for the young Lions.
    Stef, Marius and Odwa, your time has come and gone I’m afraid. No side can have a situation where a prop runs down a winger. It should never happen.

    Plums selection error was season long, with his unwillingness to blood a few more younger players in a watered down CC during a WC year. He is now left in a situation where he has precious few experienced youngsters for next years S15 if and when the older guard do retire.

    Its also been made obvious over tthe last few weeks that Keegan is no captain. Not by a long shot, he just doesnt hold the authority necessary to control a very experienced group of players.

    Oh and I thought Bismark was average in the semi and in the Final. He is playing more and more loose as his career goes on, thinking he can outmuscle everyone.

    What I would have given to have on John Smit there on saturday, both as a captain and as a tight forward who actually cleans out the odd ruck.
    It probably wouldnt have made much of a difference the way the Lions played but its amazing how much you miss something when its not there anymore

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.10.11 13:12:20 by John Galt Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 42) :

    I think we all agree that Joubert was a bad signing and he probably was more expensive than Sadie would have been.

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.10.11 13:13:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • What the hell is Streuli still doing there?
    He is overrated!!!!

    Reece and Bash also way overrated, none has any flair!

    Rob Du Preez doing a good job at Rovers, give him a chance as backline couch with Everitt.

    Get Frans Steyn as 12, please!!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.10.11 13:13:48 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 41) : Tim Whitehead would also be an option at inside centre.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.10.11 13:15:28 by war1 Reply
  • @John Galt (Comment 43) : your posting on other sites doesn’t impress me… 🙂

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.10.11 13:19:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 45) :

    And to think Dan Retief in the Sunday paper suggsted getting Strauli involved with the Boks 🙄

    Give me PDV anyday of the week over him ..still haven’t forgiven him for the debacle of 2003 and probably never will.

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.10.11 13:19:05 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 46) :

    I think we have enough option we just need to explore the different options. The CC was the ideal platform to try new ideas and in that regard the Sharks failed dismally IMO.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.10.11 13:19:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 46) : Tim Whithead is a little pipsqueak that will probably play Vodacom Cup and club rugby next year. There are much better centres in KZN!

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.10.11 13:20:01 by SheldonK Reply

  • @John Galt (Comment 43) : SHOCK… it sounds to me as though you might be suggesting that Bismarck… wait for it… isn’t actually the best hooker in the world???!!! 🙂

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.10.11 13:20:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : like?

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.10.11 13:20:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Have the Sharks ever considered moving Kanko into the backline ..outside centre perhaps ..

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.10.11 13:21:22 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Hahaha! What the heck dude?

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.10.11 13:23:08 by Ben Reply
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  • Is Whitehead a done deal or is it rumors?

    Wishlist: Frans for 12, Lindeque will not make the step up.

    Reinach for 9,

    Lambie to 10,

    Brussouw or FLO to fetch and Alberts to 8, Kanko can only play if the game is not tight.

    I like Deysel at lock, he will grow into it.

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.10.11 13:25:48 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 55) : Deysel is 1.91m tall and is already 26… he’s not going to grow into anything, trust me.

    As for Whitehead, it hasn’t been confirmed by the Sharks, but that’s hardly surprising. We are at least 95% sure about it though.

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.10.11 13:27:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok 😉 (Comment 53) : It’s been proposed a number of times on this site but I doubt it will happen. For what it’s worth I also think Pierre Spies would have made a much better centre than eighth man.

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.10.11 13:30:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok 😉 (Comment 48)


    Can not beleive this man, he is like a cat with 9 lives, ff sakes have balls and chase him with Reece and Bash. Lets clean the mess up, bring Dick back as Director of rugby, at least he is honest and does not have hidden agenda’s!!!

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.10.11 13:30:39 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Thx Rob. 😛

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.10.11 13:31:38 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : I think both u21s are better as are Bosman,Jacobs,Viljoen,JLP. Lambie with Bosman and JLP would be my ideal 10,12,13. Altho i must admit I am a bit curious as to how Lambie,Jordaan and Lindeque would fare. I think the Sharks should have got Stemmet back rather than Whitehead.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.10.11 13:34:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 56) :ROB, what is the answer at lock then, we need an enforcer!!! Hargreaves wont do it, Skeate is not the answer nor in Bresler or Marais.

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.10.11 13:34:59 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) : Plum has been quite conservative in a lot of his selections. But remember we have seen the likes of Chadwick, Redelinghuys, Herbst, Marais x2, Coetzee, Sithole and Prinsloo get some game time this Currie cup.

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.10.11 13:35:29 by war1 Reply
  • @Original Pierre (Comment 23) :

    our new vodoo priest is doing wonders in keeping our players atm 😛

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.10.11 13:36:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 61) : why can’t Marais be the enforcer? He is very similar built to what Sykes was? Weight, height almost identical.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.10.11 13:37:33 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 61) : it takes time for an enforcer to mature… the real answer here was not letting Muller, Mostert and Sykes all leave within a year of each other.

    So now we have to do what we can. Anton has been asked to step into an unfamiliar position this year and has done quite well for a guy in his first full season. We can’t throw that away now, even though I feel that Anton’s future is more at 5 than at 4. He’s a very useful hybrid, though and a valuable squad member who could even cover blindside flank at a pinch.

    I’m excited about Jandre, though… as a pure 4. I’m not sure what makes you say he is “not the answer” given that he’s only 21 and apart from the Cheetahs match, has done very well with the opportunities he’s had…

    Who do you want to buy to fill the gap? Can you not see that it is precisely that sort of thinking that has led us to this situation?

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.10.11 13:39:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 58) :

    Dick Muir .. really !?

    Even if he worked for free I wouldn’t have him anywhere near a team ..its a shame cause I rated him when he was coaching you guys ..but after that he has been VERY dissapionting..

    Still waiting to see what the Bok backline can do under him ..and we won’t mention the million rand for leading the Lions to a winless S14.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.10.11 13:41:52 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 62) : You are right and I’m happy about that but he used them in positions where were already strong. I’m just frustrated that he didn’t try something new in the centre position even if he played JLP there once or twice

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.10.11 13:43:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 62) : You are missing the point. All of those guys played for the Sharks because we had no one else to play there because of the World cup and injuries. What we wanted to see was stef being rested or dropped whichever you prefer and Piet Lindeque given an opportunity. Just an example.

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.10.11 13:45:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Net so Rob! Ek stem!

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.10.11 13:46:03 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 67) : and it’s not like our centre problems have just appeared overnight it’s been a problem for at least 2 years

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.10.11 13:46:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Lot of people here with an axe to grind, Rob. What about an official letter to the CEO of Sharks Rugby PTY ltd. Explaining our frustration with the current state of Sharks rugby with particular emphasis on:

    1) The lack of young player development resulting in talented players leaving.
    2) The inexplicable obsession with senior players who are past their best yet still start week after week.
    3) The non-addressing of the midfield problem which has been identified by every scribe and rugby analyst even Breyton Paulse and Japie Mulder, who actually played for the Boks in the backline!
    4) The complete absence of anything resembling a cohesive gameplan.

    Or am I being dramatic? 🙂

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.10.11 13:52:09 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : How the Sharks let Mostert go is amazing…was it a decision after a drunken staff party or did he shag someone’s missus? Anyone know the plans for Adonga? I dont think he is a loose forward but mayb a lock if he can catch?

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.10.11 13:53:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 47) :
    Haha, I will try and limit philandering ways.
    @robdylan (Comment 51) :
    He’s still the best. You have to admit though that he was a bit of colour. In the semi and on Saturday.

    The Sharks were lacking a true leader and an extra man hitting those rucks no doubt about it.

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.10.11 13:53:46 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 68) : Piet Lindeque was not ready and that was why he was not given a chance. Who else do you think should have been given a chance?

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.10.11 13:57:46 by war1 Reply
  • @CapeShark (Comment 71) :
    I’d second that letter.

    And never mind every scribe and rugby analyst realising our problems at centre, I knew there it was more than that when my girlfriends gay hairdresser started speaking to her about our shortcomings in the midfield.

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.10.11 13:58:21 by John Galt Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 71) : Do you think people would have been reacting like this if we had won that final?

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.10.11 13:59:18 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 76) : to be honest and I said this in the beginning of the CC. I wouldn’t have minded us coming last in the CC if we were working towards solving some of our long term problems along the way and experimenting with some new players

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.10.11 14:03:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 76) : War, believe you me, we have been fluking results lately because we have one of the best packs in world rugby. But dude, there is no gameplan. Zero, zilch. And our midfield leaks tries. Our crash and bash approach can only get us so far, and next year we won’t have evolved at all. I’m happy the Sharks made the Currie Cup final, but apart from the opening game against the Bulls in July they never played like a championship team and next year we will be found out. It’s been a bit of a downhill slide since the Stormers cut us to ribbons in the Super 15 this year.

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.10.11 14:05:52 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 75) : Har-har. :mrgreen:
    That’s hairdresser 1
    John Plumtree 0

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.10.11 14:07:40 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 76) : It’s probably true that we wouldn’t have reacted quite the same way (winning silverware does that to you), but there have been a fair number of bloggers on this site who through the course of the year stated plainly their concerns over aspects of the Sharks play, and that they would gladly have forgone winning the cup in terms of long term planning and development. Now we are anyways runners up (first losers) and we have failed to address some of the glaring issues.

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.10.11 14:19:35 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 58) :

    please take him …

    thanx in advance

    your pel

    The lions

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.10.11 14:23:24 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 80) : To be blunt a lot of our gripes are from ‘herd mentality’ as I like to call it. ‘If everyone says it then it has to be true. I mean even the hairdresser says so’. I just don’t agree with that sort of thinking, subconscious or not.

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.10.11 14:25:06 by war1 Reply
  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 58) : Dick? Have you had a nightmare dude? 🙄 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.10.11 14:31:28 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 82) : To properly explain my point. Just because ‘everyone’ says it, does not mean it is true.

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.10.11 14:35:37 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 82) : I applaud you decision to base judgment on the evidence observed by yourself, and avoid concurring with what everyone says. Sometimes though, there are truths so self-evident that they cannot be denied; things like Lord of the Rings being better than Star Wars, Bob Dylan being overrated as a lyricist (but not a musician), Henry Honiball being the greatest rugby player ever, and the Sharks midfield circa 2011 being, well, bad.

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.10.11 14:42:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 82) : Agreed but the problems regarding center are serious. We need to learn to win crunch games like the bulls have done in the last 5 years and dominate finals. LAMBIE must be a permanent fixture at 10 .The team need to stop playing for positions and start playing for team members

  • Comment 86, posted at 31.10.11 14:47:34 by Talent Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 84) : Huh? Isn’t that the fundamental principle of…science (majority agree therefore it is accepted). 🙄
    Anyway, the midfield problem is hardly a herd mentality thing. It’s freaking obvious.

  • Comment 87, posted at 31.10.11 14:49:34 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 87) : The majority said the earth was flat back in the day, didn’t they?

  • Comment 88, posted at 31.10.11 14:55:29 by war1 Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 86) : I totally agree with your last point. I was discussing the final with my dad’s friend while the teams were warming up. He said ‘The Sharks really have some big guns’ to which I replied ‘Yes but big guns don’t win you wars, armies do’. The times when the Sharks have played well this year is when they have played as a team instead a collection of individuals.

  • Comment 89, posted at 31.10.11 14:59:39 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 74) : I really want our young centres to succeed and I wud have loved to have seen them gain some experience in this year’s CC but I think you were right when you spoke about it after you watched the game at Loftus and you’re still right. Piet Lindeque and Heimar Williams are not ready to make the step up yet. However time is on their side.

    For me its been frustrating watching centres from the Bulls, Lions and Province u21 teams outperform them in recent weeks but the fact that they have been entrusted with the responsibility of leading the charge for the u21 campaign from start to finish this season suggests that the Sharks have a lot of faith in them.

    I also believe that Whitehead has the ability to become a significant roleplayer in the no.13 jersey as a Shark. I find it difficult to believe that we have existing centres in our system that are not representative players current but are somehow better than him.

  • Comment 90, posted at 31.10.11 15:55:04 by beet Reply
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  • Rest is for the weak 😈 😉

  • Comment 91, posted at 31.10.11 17:34:16 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Pokkel: sharks were in negotiations with ronnie cooke as well when rumours of the possible signing mj first emerged.he is still under contract at brive till june next year.
    He couldve been a good signing and the player I think straueli was actually after(would be surprised if he was trying to sign both cooke and mj at once,but who knows how much money he has to his disposal for contracting players?).
    Wouldve liked to have seen cooke at the sharks (know straueli was after him back in 2005 already).he shouldbe 27 next year.has alos played on the right wing for brive.but yes,if we sign him it must be at 13.
    And then it would be nice to get f steyn back in the sharks team.

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.10.11 17:50:39 by bergshark Reply

  • @beet: how is whitehead in def dept these days? Can remember him being not so bad in the sr but it almost seems like ages ago since I saw him play.really hope he can produce at the sharks.
    @Pokkel: we need 22 fetchers 😉

  • Comment 93, posted at 31.10.11 17:58:47 by bergshark Reply

  • The players might do with a break but the sharks coaches cant- they need to work 16-18 hrs 6 days per week till the start of next sr season.
    Go through last 2 seasons- thoroughly.see the positives,negatives.progression,regression.
    Individual player,mini unit(ie loose forwards,back 3,centres etc),backline/forwards,run-on 15 and match 22.where can each player become better.how to go about it.how can each mini unit become better.ditto for backs/fwds.

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.10.11 18:06:09 by bergshark Reply

  • Listening to freek burger on rsg.discussing the scrums on saturday’s cc final..and he isn’t sure that beast was correctly penalised on the occasions he were..interesting..
    Freek burger also reckons the yc was a yc and not a red card offense.

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.10.11 18:48:30 by bergshark Reply

  • Read my comments yesterday on the Dead-Eye Elton thread… It is not entirely lost on me that I have been expressing the concerns outlined by most of you on this thread for some considerable time now, most especially what I perceive to be a decided lack of long-term planning when it comes to selection policies and player development.
    To be perfectly honest, I am rather glad we lost the final, because in doing so we seem to have finally achieved some sort of unity on this site, at least, in respect of some of the major concerns I have had since the tail-end of SupeRugby earlier this year… And no, just because I said so then doesn’t make it a case of “I told you so” now, or make it necessarily true, but it has to be noted that suddenly, having laughed me off the planet or called me one-eyed in the run-up to this CC final, a lot of you are now agreeing with me.
    First up – like I said yesterday on the aforementioned thread, the powers that be at the Sharks need to start looking at where players’ strengths lay and using them to the full advantage of the team. By playing guys where they are strongest you automatically strengthen the overall fabric of the team and build a solid foundation.
    If we have a player, like SuperPat, who can play in more than one position and still be outstanding in it, my feeling is that just because he can be played in three positions in one season doesn’t automatically mean he SHOULD be played in three positions in one season.
    I move on… To the captaincy issue.
    Leadership is something that can’t be taught. It is innate. It is ingrained in a character. It comes in two main types – the quiet, lead by example and just get on with it type and the here I am in the spotlight where I belong, in your face type. Both types have something in common in that they can be used to rally troops. The Leonidas effect, I call it. You know, we’re 100 points down with 10 minutes on the clock, the opposition is big and nasty but hell, we can do it if we believe in ourselves because this isn’t madness, this is DURBAN!
    Now. That said, hands up who thinks that Keegan Daniel fits into either of those two moulds? Or at least has a foot in either one? Your answer is more than likely the answer to our captaincy issue.
    So. To the middle of the field, and the issue of the No 12… Frans Steyn is signed to Racing Metro until the end of the 2012 French season. Can the Sharks afford to buy him out? Would the Sharks buy him out? Does he want to come back? Do we want him back? Questions I can’t answer. Not yet, not yet…
    Presuming we can’t and he isn’t, if Adi Jacobs stays (and hell, I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t) he’s the obvious choice to cure our midfield woes. So to, in fairness, is JLP, who had a single, short run at centre at the start of the SupeRugby season, with Pat at 10 and added a really good dynamic to the field on that occasion, even if a short-lived one.
    Now then. Unity here on Sharksworld is one thing, but to hope for unity in the wake of defeat over at the King’s Park Mothership is another. Or is it? Perhaps losing the final has shown some of the suits in the corridors of power and the cloisters of intrigue at Carcharodon HQ that something whiffs a bit in the state of Durban, and that all is not exactly pukka when it comes to selecting a championship-winning side… All we can do is hope.

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.10.11 18:49:15 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @sharonvanwyk: freek burger just mentioned he saw a video on youtube that shows the stephen donal “match winning” kick vs france in wc final ..was miss ..

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.10.11 18:58:06 by bergshark Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 96) : Well said. Lets hope this is the wake up call they need. I am however not going to be holding my breath.

  • Comment 98, posted at 31.10.11 19:00:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @sharonvanwyk: I’d get frans steyn back at the sharks even if it means seeing some “sharks fans” leave to support other teams…

  • Comment 99, posted at 31.10.11 19:01:45 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 97) : It was doctored. Easy to do. Watch it properly on an HD tv and you’ll see the kick went over. It was replayed on Boots and All on Thursday night.

  • Comment 100, posted at 31.10.11 19:07:25 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @sharonvanwyk: aaahhh.. Thought the french wouldve gone all “latin” if the kick was missed but given as over ..

  • Comment 101, posted at 31.10.11 19:10:56 by bergshark Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 100) : Strangely enough, and in spite of myself, I am with you there. Provided he plays at 12, and Lambie goes back to where he belongs at 10.

  • Comment 102, posted at 31.10.11 19:11:42 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • Where to get a new backline coach?or rather: where to get a backline coach that can get our attack firing again.

  • Comment 103, posted at 31.10.11 19:13:59 by bergshark Reply

  • @sharonvanwyk: ditto – steyn at 12 and lambie at 10 it is then..straeuli and co,go get the cheque book: it is time to redeem yourselves! Lol

  • Comment 104, posted at 31.10.11 19:37:12 by bergshark Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 96) :

    Dearest Shaz

    What kind of fan is happy that the Sharks lost the Currie Cup final? :mrgreen:
    If you could incorporate some of the therapeutic -like article that you penned hard on the heels of the Sharks’ non-bonus point win over the Cheetahs at the start of the SR season, encouraging fans to be more positive about their team, into your answer I would be grateful. You were practically the “chins up” hippie back then. :mrgreen:

    I know for me, War1 planted the seed in one of his articles that lead to me starting to question the leadership qualities of Keegan Daniel. From that time onwards, I have been trying my best to evaluate him on this (from an armchair supporter’s viewpoint off course) and I am far from comfortable with him at the helm. What are your feelings about his leadership qualities?

    I recall when the Sharks ditched the young off-form midfield partnership of Barritt and Murray a few years back and replaced it with the Steyn-Jacobs duo that immediately started to pay dividends. However when push came to shove, the Sharks were unable to retain the services of Steyn the centre (or Barritt for that matter). It was a hole we have struggled to fill. Every year in SA, we see fantastic young prospects graduate from high school in this country, Granted not every one of them is a Frans Steyn calibre player but there are a good few who will go on to reach dizzy heights in rugby (by my calculation measured from JdV to JdJ, 9 kids out of every year go on to eventually become Boks and a whole lot more get to play senior provincial rugby). The Sharks seem to be lagging behind in the area of converting young centres into top class players. I’d say that rather than throwing good money at or banking on the return of 1 player who left coz he didn’t want to be here in the first place, we should plough the funds into upgrading our junior development programmes to at least give ourselves a better shot at recruiting and developing young future super stars incl. centres. I really believe that we need to improve on what we already have. With the growth of the Varsity Cup, the Sharks face an uphill battle in the quest for signatures of talented youngsters. We need to up our game to make it worth the while of good young players to come here. It is far easier to hold onto a talented youngster than to lure him away from another Union as we are now finding out (the hard way).

    Finally why wud Adie Jacobs want to leave. He’s a crocked player on a good revenue wicket. The minute we needed him to do a full 80, he went down injured. He’ll struggle to make the bench on any other SR team. Here he’s practically guaranteed a spot on the bench. It’s the gift horse scenario for him at the Sharks IMO.

  • Comment 105, posted at 31.10.11 21:08:55 by beet Reply
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  • since brad barrit left 2008 which youngster from its ranks have the sharks groomed to play centre?

  • Comment 106, posted at 31.10.11 21:12:54 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 106) : Your favourite guy Riaan Swanepoel is the one that immediately comes to mind.

  • Comment 107, posted at 31.10.11 21:16:08 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 93) :

    I believe we buy Whitehead based on what he offers on attack. A player who can get thru a gap. A player that has the ability to use his skills to make things happen for the guys around him. A player with good ball-handling skills, good lateral movement and decent straightline speed. A player who thinks attack – his gut tells him when something is on and his legs can take him where he wants him to go. We don’t have this at the moment. We desperately need it.

    I don’t for a minute believe that defense will be TW’s strong point but it should be adequate. The No.13 channel can often be the easiest position to defend in, you’re often able to get to the ball recipient or into his path with a second of him getting the ball, it’s far easier to narrow the angle, get hands on the player and even if you can’t get enough on him to bring him to ground, you’re able to unsettle his balance enough to render him ineffective as an attacking threat and make him easy prey for the cover D.

    I’m hoping for a player in Whitehead who is not quite as good as Ebersohn going forward but who is a lot more committed when asked to lead with the shoulder or wrap up an opponent on or before the gainline.

    You have however indirectly touched on one major concern, his injury-proneness. The last thing we need is a player who stuggles with niggles.

    With regards to defensive-minded centres, I suspect that if the Vrystaat start to become ambitious and set their sights higher than the foot of the SR table, they will find the ultra defensive-minded Strauss to be an inadequate player when it comes to helps them in their attacking game over the course of a season that requires a team to win much more than they lose to advance.

    Since I’d like to think that we as the Sharks will once again aim for the Conference win, I really can’t see it happening if we insist on selecting midfielders that aren’t hostile in their efforts to get over the advantage line and get in behind defensive lines. Getting over the advantage line coupled with quickball is still the best way to murder the best organised defensive systems.

  • Comment 108, posted at 31.10.11 21:41:28 by beet Reply
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  • @Dries (Comment 14) : You have a very talented son. I rate him highly.

  • Comment 109, posted at 31.10.11 21:46:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @beet (Comment 107) : yoh!!!!! pathetic!

  • Comment 110, posted at 01.11.11 06:21:13 by Megatron Reply

  • I agree with you, Keegan is a great player and does to much work already on the field, making him captain mean that either his game or his captaincy is going to be lacking and I have to say his games still good but not his captaincy. After Stefan went of he was suddenly left without any one to help him make the right choiced (with Stef off and Jaques Botes not playing). But who will make a suitable captain? Alistair has done it for the U21 or may be Willem Alberts.

    I DON’T like Brendan Venter.(short and sweet).

    I would like to see Lambie playing at 10 and Freddie at 9. We need to get the ball out quicker from the breakdowns and I believe Freddie can do that.

    Lastly I believe we all will miss our rugby but may be now we can focus on all the other thing that had to take the back seat.

  • Comment 111, posted at 01.11.11 11:58:43 by Nita Reply

  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 96) : “Leadership is something that can’t be taught. It is innate. It is ingrained in a character.”

    Are you implying leaders are born and not made? 😯

  • Comment 112, posted at 01.11.11 12:14:55 by vanmartin Reply
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