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Sharks well represented in SA under 20 group


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 1 Nov 2011 at 18:48
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SA Rugby has named a large squad of players to take part in a first round trial for the 2012 SA Sunder 20 squad. A decent smattering of Sharks players has been included amongst the 100-strong group, who will assemble in Kimberley next week for a week-long camp that will culminate in trial games on 8 and 10 November.

Coach Dawie Theron will run the rule over the huge group of players invited and select the 40 best performers to attend a high performance camp in Cape Town during December, as he aims to select the best possible squad to compete in the IRB Junior World Championships, taking place in South Africa in June next year.

Sharks under 19 captain Allan Dell leads a 15-strong contingent of KZN players, most of whom played with him in Ryan Strudwick’s team. Fellow front-rankers Franco Marais (hooker) and Maks van Dyk (prop), lock Stefan Lewies, flankers Khaya Majola and Alwyn Janse van Vuuren, wingers Siyabonga Tom and Hein Arendse, centres Tyler Fisher and Dean Moolman and flyhalf Rob du Preez all donned the black and white at under 19 level this year, while lock Pieter-Steph du Toit, flanker Siseko Jafta and utility backs Fred Zeilinga and Paul Jordaan all played under 21. Fisher and Tom both played SA Schools this year, while Moolman and du Preez are also still in their Matric year.

Here is the full squad:

Boland: Aubrey Faul. Eastern Province: Ernest Killian. Griffons: Mario Noordman, Ruaan Rogers, Darrel Luiters. SWD: Lourens Steytler, Lushiano James, Percy Williams. Western Province: Beyers de Villiers, Cheslin Colbe, Cobus Nel, Craig Barry, Devon Williams, Dillion Leyds, Etienne Swanepoel, Gerbrandt Grobler, Gerhard Jordaan, Johnny Kotze, Justin Ackerman, Kobus van Wyk, Lungelo Chonco, Patrick Howard, Renier Marais, Ryan Smidt, Tshotsho Mbovane, Sikhumbuzo Notshe, Tshepo Motale, Timothy Swiel. Valke: Friedle Olivier. Border: Xhola Msane, Quinton Norris, Wian Fourie, Lungelo Ngcamu, Dean Smit, Juan Bester. Eastern Province: Sonkosi Kuhle. Griffons: Bervin Marais, Griquas: Coenraad Cohn, KwaZulu-Natal: Allan Dell, Francois Marais, Nicolaas van Dyk, Pieter Steph du Toit, Joseph Stefan Lewies, Khaya Majola, Siseko Jafta, Fred Zeilinga, Paul Jordaan, Siyabonga Tom, Dean Moolman, Tyler Fisher, Hein Arendse, Francois Janse van Vuuren, Robert du Preez. Free State: Hanco Venter, Niel Jordaan, Johan Goosen, JJ de Klerk, Maputha Dolo, Mehlali Mpafi, Rudi Fuls, Carl van Heerden, Nhlanhla Hlongwane, Niel Marais, Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel. Golden Lions: Errol Jaggers, Henry Boshoff, Mark Pretorius, Pieter Stemmet, Ettienne Oosthuizen, Paul Willemse, Fabian Booysen, Vian van der Walt, JP du Plessis, Willem Jacobus Viljoen, Marais Schmidt, Ruan Steenkamp, Luqmaan Ismail. Blue Bulls: Abrie Griesel, Andile Jho, Du Toit Genis, Hendrik van Wyk, Jaco Visagie, Jason Thomas, Juan Nel, Marvin Orrie, Marzuk Maarman, Nardus van der Walt, Richard Gorrah, Rudi van Rooyen, Schalk van Heerden, Shaun Adendorf, Tony Jantjies, Travis Ismaiel, Wiaan Liebenberg, William Small-Smith. Leopards: Lodewyk de Jager, Cornelius van Zyl, James Marx, James Meechum. Pumas: Jacques du Plessis.


85 Comments

  • Western Province the best represented. Oh well… 😎

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.11.11 19:03:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : yup… the Bulls will thank you for the excellent development job you continue to do for them

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.11.11 19:07:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Error made by SARU Dean Moolman – Bulls and Jacques Du plessis bulls.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.11.11 19:12:35 by Muzi Reply

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  • Christopher Bosch is unlucky he managed to keep Andile jho on the bench the whole season.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.11.11 19:14:19 by Muzi Reply

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  • Geez Ruan Botha can count himself unlucky he was a tower of strength for the victorius lions under 19s in the line outs.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.11.11 19:16:00 by Muzi Reply

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  • Well done to all the Sharks juniors who’ve made the trials.

    There are still about 6 months left until final selection so any of our guys is quite capable of turning himself from an outsider into a first choice in that time. They just have to put in the hard work.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.11.11 19:35:23 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 3) : Muzi. These trials are in 2011 not 2012.

    Some contracts have not kicked in yet e.g. Jacques du Plessis is still in Ermelo right now.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.11.11 19:36:53 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 4) : I also find it just as strange that Chris Bosch emerges from the W/Cape Premier League as the undisputed best 12 in their schools rugby in 2010 and follows it up with a successful season with the Bulls that sees him keep Jho out the team like you said and goes on to live up to reputation by making the decisive line break in the u19 final that leads to a try, is now suddenly not as good as a Province schoolboy like Johnny Kotze, who didn’t make WP u18, isn’t in WP u19 and pretty much lived in Bosch’s shadow last year.

    Kotze is a good player but surely Bosch is higher rated on just about every board across the country

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.11.11 20:00:36 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 5) : Talk about hooker depth,even 3rd choice Bulls u19 hooker Maarman is in the squad,pretty odd that Jho is selected in the squad and Bosch isn’t. The only u18 who will make the squad is Jan Serfontein,the rest I’m afraid are just there to make up the numbers. Willa or Pat Howard at outside centre,personally always liked Howard,but the Bulls fan in says Willa,Kitshoff at 1,don’t know about the hookerholding thumbs for Ally at tighthead,locks will be Pieter-Steph and Ruan Venter. My ideal loose trio would be Liebenberg at openside,Jafta at blindside and Nardus at 8thman,don’t have a clue who 9 will be,but Rudi must surely be the no.1 contender. 10 Goosen,I’d be tempted to stick Willa or Serfontein at 11,hows Emil Schwarz comings along? 12. Jordaan 13. Howard 14. Mbovane 15. Barry,but that Marais from Free State is damn good

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.11.11 20:13:02 by Ludz Reply

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  • Tyler Fisher! The next Andre Snyman! 😈

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.11.11 20:19:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 8) : Hey Beet very disappointed boet i had such high hopes for bosch πŸ˜₯ what more do you want for an inside centre he is a line breaker not your typical crash ball centre but a creative centre a huge asset may i say for bulls rugby.

    Bosch reminds me of a young johann sadie :mrgreen: but bosch is abit bigger he is a key player in a sense that he can play 12 and 13 without any problems.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.11.11 20:22:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 9) :

    Hey Ludz. Allow me to speak to you in code here: I heard that your favourite player in our u19 team might himself hold your answer to your “hookerholding thumbs” poser in 2012.

    I like your picks btw.

    I think Pieter-Steph and Ruan wud be the ideal lock combo.

    I think Muzi’s player Travis Ismael might have a shout at 11. And I think it was Dolo who is an all out speed merchant for Vrystaat but he might be a bit small and questionable on D.

    For scrumhalf I really like vd Watt from the Lions but Kevin Luiters is yet to return from injury so he might be an option.

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.11.11 20:29:09 by beet Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 9) : Watch Schalk van Heerden make it on saturday against the lions he was the only bulls forward who stood up to the big beef from the lions.
    A superb enforcer but he needs to controll his temper hehe.

    Nardus had an off day he let me down even cloete wessels replaced him. πŸ˜‰

    Maarman is versatileand he is also there to balance the team demographics :mrgreen he can jol hooker and prop that dude bounced me silly at the KES festival πŸ‘Ώ when he was playing with sa schools hooker jason thomas for Muir College.

    Liked what i saw with small smith everytime he got the ball he looked the beez neez him and bosch had an awesome season together.

    My Problem with JHO is that he is flat footed not fleet footed i think if he wants to challenge francois venter,serfontein and bosch in future he has ALOT of hard work to do.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.11.11 20:30:50 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 12) : The bulls other wing dean gorrah can pack his bags NOT GOOD ENOUGH i saw nothing special that will excite me about dean in the future.

    Travis was marked well by the lions they gave him no space to operate.

    Du Toit genis is your typical paarl gim and wp prop very mobile and strong inthe scrums.

    Wiaan Liebenberg will rattle a few feathers a real talent wow he has been impressive for the bulls under 21s and under 19s what a player !

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.11.11 20:35:22 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 13) : I forgot about Schalk. He’s a physical player.

    Somewhere along the line, Province went off the rails in u19 rugby this season. Their backs are hot property tho. I wonder what happened to Guy Whitfield?

    I know that we have looseforwards aplenty in SA but there are some good guys in both the Province and Vrystaat camps. Cobus Nel- Beyers dV – Reyd Smidt vs Henco Venter-Tyron Schultz (overlooked)-Neill Jordaan. Lots of quality compo.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.11.11 20:38:07 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 14) : @beet (Comment 12) : haha oh sorry about that little error,forgot the comma. Yeah spoke to Ally about a week and a half ago at prizegiving at school,he told that he might even take up hooker,remember joking saying they are turning him into John Smit,covering loosehead,hooker and tighthead. Haven’t seen alot of vd Watt and of course Luiters is injured,whatever happened to Guy Whitfield,anyone know what happened to such a promising young scrummie,oh yeah Travis might be in with a chance at left wing. Schalk van Heerden,think he should be the back up lock to Ruan and Pieter-Steph.

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.11.11 21:08:17 by Ludz Reply

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  • Mr Beet, what’s Tyler Fishers chance of making it ? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.11.11 21:32:00 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 17) : very minimal to be honest Mocho if I may share my opinion,highly unlikely that he’ll make the final squad,none of the current schoolboys will make the final 26 man squad except for Jan Serfontein

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.11.11 21:53:01 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 17) : I tend to agree with Ludz. Tyler is going to be a possible rather than a probable at this stage.

    But Dawie likes big strong guys and they don’t come much bigger or stronger than Tyler, so hope floats.

    For what it’s worth, Tyler would be my KZN schoolboy player of the year. He’s had an awesome season.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.11.11 22:40:31 by beet Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 18) : Ludz, I know for all of us that follow SBR, Jan Serfontein is the player that stands out head and shoulders above the rest, a talent we’d easily bracket with Frans Steyn but I think the selectors have to see the big picture and reward more than one u18 with a squad place. That little bit of experience picked up in year 1 helps for the next year. I think they need to try find place of at least 4 first year players.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.11.11 22:44:58 by beet Reply
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  • Do you think they may take Dries Swanepoel given his centre partnership with Jan Serfontein? This must some of the most talented group of youngsters that Dawie Theron will be lucky enough to work with prior to a Junior Championship. As usual though my fear is these guys are undercooked when they play in the tournament and so out muscled by England

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.11.11 23:37:33 by slammerboy Reply
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  • Can my beloved sharks please go and visit that shopping mall of ours in free state , and buy that Goosen boy before sum1 takes him.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.11.11 01:13:28 by AYA11 Reply

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  • Can my beloved sharks please go and visit that shopping mall of ours in free state , and buy that Goosen boy before sum1 takes him. We need sum youth in that backline.

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.11.11 01:14:27 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 20) : oh yeah you’ve got a point there. They’ll definitely want to give a couple of the guys exposure this year,imo they would have to take a guy like du Plessis at lock,but Notshe,Motale,Steenkamp and Damens might be surplus to requirements and I think they’ll definitely want to play those Grey Bulls-bound centres as a combo and possibly Tyler Fischer,if it were to be four,I’d probably go for those guys. Last year they had Mbovane,Barry,Jordaan and Ruan Venter,so yeah that number 4 seems fair

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.11.11 05:21:26 by Ludz Reply

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  • Anyone know who Ruaan Rogers (Griffons) or Dean Smit (Border) are? Or what positions they play? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.11.11 05:41:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @AYA11 (Comment 22) : Goosen has a 3 year contract with the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.11.11 06:35:41 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • Anyway, outside of Rogers and Smit, positions are (hopefully fairly accurate):

    Props (17):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Justin Ackerman, Steven Kitshoff, Etienne Swanepoel, Tshepo Motale
    BLUE BULLS – Du Toit Genis, Hendrik van Wyk
    NATAL SHARKS – Allan Dell, Nicolaas van Dyk
    FREE STATE – Rudi Fuls, Carl van Heerden
    GOLDEN LIONS – Henri Boshoff, Pieter Stemmet
    BORDER – Lungelo Ngcamu
    LEOPARDS – Cornelius van Zyl
    SWD EAGLES – Lourens Steytler
    EP KINGS – Ernest Killian
    GRIQUAS – Coenraad Cohn

    Hookers (8):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Renier Marais
    BLUE BULLS – Jaco Visagie, Jason Thomas, Marzuk Maarman
    NATAL SHARKS – Francois Marais
    FREE STATE – Mihlali Mpafi
    GOLDEN LIONS – Mark Pretorius
    BORDER – Wian Fourie

    Locks (14):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Lungelo Chonco, Gerbrandt Grobler
    BLUE BULLS – Schalk van Heerden, Marvin Orie
    NATAL SHARKS – Pieter Steph du Toit, Joseph Lewies
    GOLDEN LIONS – Ettienne Oosthuizen, Ruan Venter, Paul Willemse
    BORDER – Xola Msane
    LEOPARDS – Lodewyk de Jager
    EP KINGS – Kuhle Sonkosi
    PUMAS – Jacques du Plessis
    FALCONS – Friedle Olivier

    Loose-Forwards (20):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Beyers de Villiers, Cobus Nel, Ryan Smid, Sikhumbuzo Notshe
    BLUE BULLS – Shaun Adendorf, Wian Liebenberg, Nardus van der Walt
    NATAL SHARKS – Khaya Majola, Siseko Jafta, Francois Janse van Vuuren
    FREE STATE – Hendrik Venter, Leneve Damens, Daniel Jordaan
    GOLDEN LIONS – Fabian Booysen, Ruan Steenkamp
    BORDER – Juan Bester
    LEOPARDS – James Marx, James Meechum
    GRIFFONS – Darrel Luiters
    BOLAND – Aubrey Faul

    Scrumhalves (8):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Gerhard Jordaan
    BLUE BULLS – Rudi van Rooyen, Abraham Griesel
    FREE STATE – Nhlanhla Hlongwane, Kevin Luiters
    GOLDEN LIONS – Vian van der Watt
    GRIFFONS – Mario Noordman
    SWD EAGLES – Percy Williams

    Flyhalves (6):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Dillon Leyds, Tim Swiel
    BLUE BULLS – Tony Jantjies
    NATAL SHARKS – Fred Zeilinga, Robert du Preez
    FREE STATE – Johan Goosen

    Centres (13):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Kobus van Wyk, Johnny Kotze, Patrick Howard
    BLUE BULLS: Andile Jho, William Small-Smith
    NATAL SHARKS: Paul Jordaan, Dean Moolman, Tyler Fisher
    FREE STATE: Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel
    GOLDEN LIONS: JP du Plessis, Willem Viljoen
    GRIFFONS: Brenvin Marais

    Wingers (11):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Devon Williams, Tshotsho Mbovane
    BLUE BULLS – Travis Ismaiel, Richard Gorrah
    NATAL SHARKS – Siyabonga Tom
    FREE STATE – JJ de Klerk, Maputha Dolo
    GOLDEN LIONS – Errol Jaggers, Luqmaan Ismail
    BORDER – Quinton Norris
    SWD EAGLES – Lushiano James

    Fullbacks (6):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Craig Barry, Cheslin Kolbe
    BLUE BULLS – Juan Nel
    NATAL SHARKS – Heinrich Arendse
    FREE STATE – Niel Marais
    GOLDEN LIONS – Marais Schmidt

    DON’T KNOW: Ruaan Rogers (GRIFFONS) & Dean Smit (BORDER)

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.11.11 06:36:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @AYA11 (Comment 23) : We happen to have youth in that position already a 21 year old Springbok.

    A team can’t buy anything that’s good just because we need youth.

    Goosen would be a dimwit if he came to the Sharks while Lambie was here and Streauli would be a dimmerwit 😯 if he wanted to get Goosen. Haven’t we just heaved a sigh of relief after getting away from the Smit or DuPlessis conundrum? and now we want to create more of a headache by having a Lambie/Goosen headache.

    Not everything that moves should be bought. Thank goodness my garden tap is cemented into the ground.

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.11.11 06:40:50 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • Sometimes squads send clear signal to players on their futures, usually for players who are included. This squad is so big that it sends a pretty clear signal to anyone who is not included.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.11.11 06:46:10 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) :

    Ruaan Rodgers – Tighthead.

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.11.11 06:50:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 28) :

    Speaking sense! Don’t try become the Blue Bulls and buy every single player who can catch a rugby ball. Spread the wealth!

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.11.11 06:58:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) :

    Dean Smit I’m guessing is actually Dillon Smit – Scrumhalf.

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.11.11 07:25:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • So were awaiting the team announcements today…..
    What no Rugby this weekend.. Who’s idea was that!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.11.11 07:27:31 by Franshark Reply
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  • Props (18):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Justin Ackerman, Steven Kitshoff, Etienne Swanepoel, Tshepo Motale
    BLUE BULLS – Du Toit Genis, Hendrik van Wyk
    NATAL SHARKS – Allan Dell, Nicolaas van Dyk
    FREE STATE – Rudi Fuls, Carl van Heerden
    GOLDEN LIONS – Henri Boshoff, Pieter Stemmet
    BORDER – Lungelo Ngcamu, Ruaan Rodgers
    LEOPARDS – Cornelius van Zyl
    SWD EAGLES – Lourens Steytler
    EP KINGS – Ernest Killian
    GRIQUAS – Coenraad Cohn

    Hookers (8):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Renier Marais
    BLUE BULLS – Jaco Visagie, Jason Thomas, Marzuk Maarman
    NATAL SHARKS – Francois Marais
    FREE STATE – Mihlali Mpafi
    GOLDEN LIONS – Mark Pretorius
    BORDER – Wian Fourie

    Locks (14):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Lungelo Chonco, Gerbrandt Grobler
    BLUE BULLS – Schalk van Heerden, Marvin Orie
    NATAL SHARKS – Pieter Steph du Toit, Joseph Lewies
    GOLDEN LIONS – Ettienne Oosthuizen, Ruan Venter, Paul Willemse
    BORDER – Xola Msane
    LEOPARDS – Lodewyk de Jager
    EP KINGS – Kuhle Sonkosi
    PUMAS – Jacques du Plessis
    FALCONS – Friedle Olivier

    Loose-Forwards (20):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Beyers de Villiers, Cobus Nel, Ryan Smid, Sikhumbuzo Notshe
    BLUE BULLS – Shaun Adendorf, Wian Liebenberg, Nardus van der Walt
    NATAL SHARKS – Khaya Majola, Siseko Jafta, Francois Janse van Vuuren
    FREE STATE – Hendrik Venter, Leneve Damens, Daniel Jordaan
    GOLDEN LIONS – Fabian Booysen, Ruan Steenkamp
    BORDER – Juan Bester
    LEOPARDS – James Marx, James Meechum
    GRIFFONS – Darrel Luiters
    BOLAND – Aubrey Faul

    Scrumhalves (9):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Gerhard Jordaan
    BLUE BULLS – Rudi van Rooyen, Abraham Griesel
    FREE STATE – Nhlanhla Hlongwane, Kevin Luiters
    GOLDEN LIONS – Vian van der Watt
    BORDER – Dillon Smit
    GRIFFONS – Mario Noordman
    SWD EAGLES – Percy Williams

    Flyhalves (6):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Dillon Leyds, Tim Swiel
    BLUE BULLS – Tony Jantjies
    NATAL SHARKS – Fred Zeilinga, Robert du Preez
    FREE STATE – Johan Goosen

    Centres (13):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Kobus van Wyk, Johnny Kotze, Patrick Howard
    BLUE BULLS: Andile Jho, William Small-Smith
    NATAL SHARKS: Paul Jordaan, Dean Moolman, Tyler Fisher
    FREE STATE: Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel
    GOLDEN LIONS: JP du Plessis, Willem Viljoen
    GRIFFONS: Brenvin Marais

    Wingers (11):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Devon Williams, Tshotsho Mbovane
    BLUE BULLS – Travis Ismaiel, Richard Gorrah
    NATAL SHARKS – Siyabonga Tom
    FREE STATE – JJ de Klerk, Maputha Dolo
    GOLDEN LIONS – Errol Jaggers, Luqmaan Ismail
    BORDER – Quinton Norris
    SWD EAGLES – Lushiano James

    Fullbacks (6):
    WESTERN PROVINCE – Craig Barry, Cheslin Kolbe
    BLUE BULLS – Juan Nel
    NATAL SHARKS – Heinrich Arendse
    FREE STATE – Niel Marais
    GOLDEN LIONS – Marais Schmidt

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.11.11 07:27:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I take it this is not the same JP du Plessis as THE JP du Plessis who is meant to be the saviour of the Sharks backline? I thought that one played for Western Province and was too old to play under 20 rugby…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    Correct. This is another JP du Plessis. :mrgreen:

    And he’s no longer the saviour of the Sharks backline. With the departure of Sadie, and aging centres, he’s the saviour of the WP backline 2014.

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.11.11 07:53:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 34) : Those Border players were all KZN a few months ago.

    The Zululand Academy upped and moved to East London πŸ™

    Hopefully we get Dillon back. He was a quality schoolboy player. Pity he was injured at the start of the u19 CC season. Seeing him as Border sort of makes sense coz if he’s fit again, it wud have been hard to understand why he wasn’t given a shot in the Sharks jersey

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.11.11 07:54:08 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : This is JP, the 108kg monster schoolboy from HTS Middelburg, part of Pumas country

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.11.11 07:55:00 by beet Reply
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  • For Steve.

    I posted a comment on another board about how unhappy I was over the omission of Lions players Ruaan Lerm and Ruan Botha from this squad. I thought both these players had done a tremendous job during the course of the season. I can’t see how the Lions wud have made the final without Lerm’s input. Botha has had to play a level higher at u21 and is a lineout star.

    Who was the Lions u19 player of the year 2011?

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.11.11 08:03:15 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 38) : how does a schoolboy centre get to 108kg without inspuitings?

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.11.11 08:24:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • The SA u20s looked off the pace at the Junior World Cup earlier this year in terms of their physicality and speed, which was particularly evident in the number of tackles we missed. I want to see what Theron will do improve that weakness. Is he going to select players with different attributes? Lets not forget that the SAu18s also got dominated physically by the French earlier this year too.

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.11.11 08:31:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : His mom is a good cook! hahaha

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.11.11 08:33:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : I would like to know that as well…FREAK!

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.11.11 08:35:49 by mbay-shark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : 100% protein muffins

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.11.11 08:36:57 by mbay-shark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 28) :

    “Not everything that moves should be bought. Thank goodness my garden tap is cemented into the ground.”

    Contender for comment of the year surely πŸ˜†

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.11.11 08:49:46 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Is a bit weird that Ruan Botha has been left out, while Willemse & Oosthuizen, who were playing at a lower level at the Lions were included.

    Must be something we haven’t been told.

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.11.11 08:52:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 45) : πŸ™‚

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.11.11 09:19:00 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @ KSA Shark Β©

    In view of what’s hapenin with that BOK of ours it will be beneficial if we kept him at 15 because it seems that’s most likely where he will play. And as for us not buying everytng that moves you have a point there, but my sole issue is that when u look at the problematic positions like centre at the sharks and flyhalf . Not once did we give a chance for a youth to show what they can do , in those positions, we have a great crop of backline players in our u21 and u19 but no one is given a chance instead we opted for playng Bosman(who most sharks complained about all season long) at flyhalf and then we bought a very old Joubert . Its clear to me that coach Plum is very content in playing those old people of his in the midfield where we need youth, skill and speed . Now will u plz tell me what should happen with that midfield of ours and flyhalf please?

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.11.11 09:25:12 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 46) : The thing is Willemse and Oosthuisen are 2 massive locks. Both guys way comfortably over 120kg. Their strength from the 2nd row alone means the Lions u19 scrum only ever goes in one direction – forward. These guys done shy away from contact either. If fact they thrive on it. I fear for the safety of stationery opponents at the ruck every time I see either Willemse or Oosthuisen charging in. They love bashing. Very physical boys. However they are not good lineout men. No.8 Ruaan Lerm does most of the hard graft at lineout time. The Lions have used their setpiece playbook very smartly here coz they effectively only have 1 good jumper and that’s Lerm.

    Ruan Botha is the complete opposite to the 2 big boys. He is taller and more athletic. Not physical at all. Not the strongest scrummer around by a long way. He wins clean lineout ball at 5. The Lions u21 obviously thought it more NB to have a class act in the set piece who gets around the park quicker than a beefy enforcer that wears opponents down at scrumtime but struggles come lineout time.

    But it does seem like something isn’t right that Botha is overlooked for such a wide group.

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.11.11 09:35:49 by beet Reply
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  • @AYA11 (Comment 48) : that’s a very selective reading of the situation… how many games has Bosman played at flyhalf? 1? If that? Don’t recall him ever being picked to start there…

    While your argument has merit when it comes to the centres, the Sharks DO NOT have a problem at flyhalf. If anything, our problem is too many players and that makes it too easy to contemplate moving Lambie to 15, a position which does not best suit either him or the Sharks. If we play Lambie at 15, then what the hell do we do with Ludik, Ndungane , Viljoen and Prinsloo?

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.11.11 09:42:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @AYA11 (Comment 48) : What have I missed with Lambie and the Springboks? Unless the new Springbok coach is Morne Steyn’s Mother or wife, Pat Lambie will be the Springbok Flyhalf in Durban in the opening test for 2012 against the Poms.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.11.11 09:44:36 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 51) : AMEN brother! Shout it from the rooftops!

    (rushes to dig out KSA’s old posts about why moving Lambie to 10 would be the worst thing ever…) πŸ™‚

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.11.11 09:50:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 51) : The biggest thing counting against Lambie at 10 is his goalkicking! If he shows in Super rugby he can regularly kick goals then he will be the Boks 10, if not he will be at 15 or bench im afraid. The Boks have always relied on kicking points to win games and I cant see anything changing in short term. I think Lambie could be a great 10, but he has to work on his goal kicking big time. Otherwise he must concentrate on 15.

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.11.11 09:51:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 51) :

    They say the same thing about Jantjies elsewhere…

    I hope that there is an exciting contest for the Springboks flyhalf jersey between Johan Goosen (my pick), Patrick Lambie & Elton Jantjies. It’d be a tough spot to be in picking the starting-XV, but plenty of options!!

    While I rate Jaco Taute highly, I’m not sure he’s world-class like Dagg or Beale.

    Which means for me, Lambie at 10 in Super rugby, and 15 for the Springboks in 2012.

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.11.11 09:52:45 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.11.11 09:59:06 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : With Goosen’s boot he can be a valuable 15.

    Lambie 10
    F Steyn 12
    Goosen 15

    3 kickers of which 2 are mules.

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.11.11 10:02:44 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 49) :

    I see, so those two can be considered ‘4’ locks. The enforcer types..

    And Ruan Botha may have been overlooked because Dawie Theron has said that he wants to take bigger players? πŸ˜•

    Even then I think it’s ethically wrong if Botha has been performing well, to not include him as one of the 14 locks in a provisional squad.

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.11.11 10:04:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 56) :

    It’s a tough spot to be in if you’re Springbok coach hey!

    Goosen is a specialist flyhalf though. Lambie is an excellent opportunist, a threat at the back.

    They either compete for the 1 place, or accomodate Lambie at 15.

    That is if Goosen turns out to be as good as some of us think he will πŸ˜†

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.11.11 10:07:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I personaly think Goosen is not about to crack it in the springboks anytime soon. But if he does make it in super rugby he is one to look at . For the sharks it is favourable to play Lambie at 10 with Viljoen at 15 but in the springboks I think he will end up at 15 with Jantjies at 10. Lambie is a superb 10 but in the country ryt now he is the best 15. But let’s wait and see what Viljoen has to offer for the sharks at 15 . If Lambie is sharks 1st choice 10 then who is our 2nd choice because clealy freddy myt go home . With the springboks I would love Lambie at 10 because of how well he relishes the physicality which will mean he will have an effect that butch james has of proving elusive flyhalves like Carter and Cooper useless with his tackling . I would prefer to see Lambie at 10 in both Sharks and Sprongboks . But I’m affraid with the boks he will end up at 15. Yes Bosman played only one game at 10 but it is in that one game that we should have given the youth a go . I would love to see Jordaan in the fringes with the 1st team next year if he is not taken by Sevens duties

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.11.11 10:26:16 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 56) : Goosen actually played 15 for the Cheetahs Vodacom Cup side this year and was decent without being spectacular. He is much better suited to 10, probably more suited than Lambie if we honest. I know it wouldnt be popular but for the sake of Bok rugby Lambie must play 15 next year for the Sharks and Boks! My choice at 10 for the Sharks would be Viljoen as I like what he offers there,he can be the next Butch James! Goosen and Jantjies to battle with Morne for the 10 jersey, although the next Bok coach will pick Morne…ill put money on it!

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.11.11 10:54:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) :

    I don’t think that it would hurt Lambie if he played 10 at for the Sharks. As long as they don’t move him around in a Sharks jersey.

    No problem with playing 10 for the Sharks and 15 for the Springboks.

    It would probably actually benefit the Springboks, as it would give another experienced option in that jersey.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.11.11 11:32:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 61) : I have no problem with that, but then there will be plenty that say why are the Boks not playing him in his position and blah blah blah… I truly believe the best players should be on the field irrespective of the position they play (except the tight 5).

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.11.11 11:47:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) :

    Meh long as the team performs, or the player does, I don’t think most reasonable people would have a problem with it :mrgreen: I wouldn’t anyway.

    Should be interesting to see what happens.

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.11.11 12:16:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 63) : NZ and OZ have tried to get all their best players on the field, an example wud be O’Connor,Jane and Kahui playing wing. I wonder if the next Bok coach can find a way to get the likes of F.Steyn,J.Fourie,Lambie,De Jong etc on the field at the same time…same with forwards in Alberts,Schalk,Brussouw,J. Smith

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.11.11 12:24:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 34) : Dillon Smit,now there’s a very good player,reckon he’ll have a good shot at claiming that no.9 jersey,nice to see he’s doing well and hopefully a move to a bigger union,my favourite schoolboy scrumhalf last year,that JP du Plessis has some serious bulk for a centre at his age,he had a twin brother,Jean Pierre du Plessis,played at fullback for Middelburg last year also looked like a decent player,wonder what happened with him,think this JP is Jean Pieter or something like that,but anyway his twin brother is much smaller than him

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.11.11 12:26:01 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 65) : They’re a bit like the Kriel Twins at Maritzburg College. Daniel is way taller than Jesse. Also a centre and fullback combo.

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.11.11 12:38:30 by beet Reply
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  • I read that these trials are slap-bang in the middle of school exams. So much for careful planning πŸ™„

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.11.11 12:48:06 by beet Reply
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  • Siyabonga Tom the youngest player in the squad maybe?

    If he makes it, he could play SA U20 for three years.

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.11.11 12:53:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 65) :

    Well I quickly facebook stalked him and his girlfriend is smoking hot. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.11.11 13:07:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 68) : Tom wont make it…doesnt have the pace and physicality just yet. How many in that u20 squad have senior CC or Super rugby experience??

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.11.11 13:32:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) :

    Steven Kitshoff & Johan Goosen only.

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.11.11 13:36:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 71) : They should then def make the team, the experience they have gained at that level will help those around them. Also lets be honest the coach has a short amount of time to work with a large group that are fairly unknown to eachother. So if he is a bit clever he must combinations that are used to each other…so the locks,9&10, the centres etc.

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.11.11 14:04:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) :

    Don’t know about the ‘combinations’ thing. People say that, but at this level you’d expect the coach to select the best 15 – then do whatever you need to help them ‘click’. To show confidence in each other etc. Otherwise there’s no way we’ll beat New Zealand who are dominating this competition.

    Don’t know 80% of those guys, so the only players we can be sure of going (if available) are Steven Kitshoff, Ruan Venter, Johan Goosen, Paul Jordaan, Tshotsho Mbovane & Jan Serfontein (hopefully they play him on the wing).

    I wouldn’t be surprised if beet managed to pick at least 70% of the eventual squad correcly though πŸ™‚

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.11.11 14:14:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 73) : The reason i said pick combos is cos youngsters do well in an environment they feel comfortable with. So playing with a guy whose moments they not sure of etc will mean that they will both go into their shells a bit…which is pretty much what we have seen with previous junior national sides. Yes obviously you have to pick ur big name players but more often than not most of those big names are familiar with each other.

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.11.11 14:37:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The BIG problem we have is that Dawie Theron doesn’t have a clue how to pick the BEST 15/22 available to him. His selections for the U20 side last year were unbelievable. Ridiculous actually. No surprise they got pumped by the Poms.

    We also seem to have a problem at prop in junior rugby in SA. All size and weight but no technique. No good just picking the big fatties and hoping for the best!

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.11.11 15:25:27 by Villie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 73) : During his gr.11 year Jan played wing at GCB outside the combo of Jordaan and Small-Smith. I haven’t seen him play there but he apparently acquitted himself very well. It isn’t hard to believe that he could do well in most positions on the park. He was born to play rugby. It’s in his blood. He is a natural.
    A few months back, I suggested that if the Bulls were to consider fast-tracking him with the aim of using him during the latter half of 2012 and there is every reason they should be entertaining this line of thinking (physically he’s big enough and at SBR level he didn’t seem to have an equal in terms of mental strength either), they should look at playing him in their potentially weak position of fullback. Kirschner and Visser are just barely adequate players. I think Lionel Cronje could do well there. After Saturday’s final, Ulrich Beyers played a good deal better than I thought he was capable of, so he could might might just be able to fit.
    But seeing that guys like Jaque Fourie, Wynand Olivier and even Frans Steyn cut their teeth at 15 before moving to centre (maybe even Taute who knows), a pedigree player like Serfontein could do well there to begin his senior career.
    BTW the loudest voice I’ve heard in favour of Serfontein the wing, have come from a relative of William Small-Smith. I hope it did come about as a result of the threat felt by Jan at centre.

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.11.11 15:32:23 by beet Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 75) :

    I’d say he pretty much picked the best side. There weren’t many you could disagree with.

    Where he went wrong was with the balance. Too many ball-carrier types in the loose-forwards, lost a lot of grunt in the second-row after Ruan Venter went down.

    Backline he needed a better ‘sniper’ at 9, and was missing the hard-running centre that could commit tacklers.

    Also should’ve never excluded Steven Kitshoff, Siyabonga Ntubeni, Frans Malherbe & Marcell Coetzee (because they were unavailable for training camps due to Super rugby commitments).

    If he gets a good balance… gets the chemistry right, we’ll be in with a shot.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.11.11 15:38:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 76) :

    As they say, if he’s good enough, he’s old enough!

    I mean Kurtley Beale & David Pocock were playing Super rugby after just turning 18 – they wanted to get Pocock in while he was stil 17. Quade Cooper was around that age also.

    Bulls shouldn’t be scared of rushing him through. Get as much out of him in the relatively short-amount of years he’s got playing rugby.

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.11.11 15:42:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 75) : I think there are 3 issues here:

    1 – Our 2010 JWC team was manhandled by the Baby Blacks. People were upset. It seemed like we needed bigger guys. Dawie came on board and tried to address this problem for 2011. It backfired. Now people are upset again.

    2- I don’t think the structures in place in junior rugby at the moment put Dawie in a good position to determine who the best most inform players are. I’m not sure who’s responsible for this but it needs to improve.

    3- With about +/- 100 schools participating during the season in traditional matches, its obvious that strength vs strength is taking a back seat in many instances. The way to address this and give props and other players an opportunity to improve their technique and other skills in a more competitive environment is to pull the cream of the crop out of SBR and put them in elite programmes. However NO-ONE incl myself wants to see SBR harmed in any way, so we are going to have to get use to being given a run for our money by perceived weaker teams like England and France at the JWC.

    There’s a 4th reason. But I won’t go into it.

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.11.11 15:47:43 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 79) :

    I’m of the opinion that teams should have both salary caps and a set-roster (maximum amount of players). 110 players throughout each franchise (or there-abouts) would seem fair.

    The top 50 or so players in the country would be contracted by SARU each year, who would then have some say over where they play.

    Then turn the CC First Division into an amateur league & ditch promotion-relegation.

    I don’t have the figures, but I’m guessing the CC is a big money-maker, similar to SA derbies in Super rugby. Games against overseas opposition would not make the same sort of money because of reduced TV audiences.

    Strength-versus-strength and clever marketing could then bring the CC back to its glory days.

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.11.11 16:19:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) :

    That and embracing a more attacking brand of rugby, which apparently the Bulls are busy doing. Personally I’m happy watching a defensive game… I’m good either way, but it should also be a goal to get people to embrace the game.

    The Cheetahs shouldn’t be raped like this every year. SARU should be doing their bit to help each of the top teams. At the moment they just shrug their shoulders.

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.11.11 16:24:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Oh, and ditch the Vodacom Cup for a Club Championship. Allow the clubs to make some money and provide players with a platform to stake a claim for provincial contracts.

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.11.11 16:26:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 67) : You know was also wondering how they’d get around that,some might have exams until the 2nd of December,I have a bit of a breather now only writing next week Tuesday,I swear the 23rd of November can’t come soon enough than am done with matric,the trials should be postponed,Physics is written next week,you really don’t need distraction when you about to write Physics

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.11.11 17:20:52 by Ludz Reply

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  • hope they figure it out!

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.11.11 18:59:41 by sharktooth Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 68) : just burst out in laughter after reading this comment

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