Representing the Black and White

Written by (Mocho)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks on 9 Nov 2011 at 07:35
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Westville Old Boys are making themselves known in the Sharks world with eight old boys wearing black and white. This is a considerable amount considering the school is only 50 years old and has only come up as a truely competitive Rugby in last 10 years or so.

Both Dale Chadwick and Monde Hadebe have made their appearances in the Currie Cup this year. Dale’s first cap came two years ago against the Leopards and has been in and out of the side as tighthead/loosehead prop.

Monde Hadebe (who is Octobers player of the month in Rugby News SA), brought in from reserves in a match in September in the second half as a wing, played extremely well despite the fact that his normal position is hooker. Monde is also the U21 Sharks captain, leading the team in his number 2 shirt to the U21 finals.

Other members of the U21 Natal team are Njabulo Mkhize (tighthead/loosehead prop), Brynard Stander (flank) and Kayde Fisher (centre)

One of the youngest Westville Old boys who is in the U19 Natal team is Khaya Majola, who was also been named player of the month in Rugby News SA in August. Khaya looks set to make the step up to rugby at a senior level in the near future.

Other members of the U19 team are Dwyane Kelly and Kayde’s brother, Tyler Fisher.

There are also four players playing for other provinces. In the U19 Lions side, Duncan Campbell who played a major part in the Schools many successes as flyhalf. Great things are expected to be heard from him in the future

Lock, George Earle was out for the season due to injury after a good run during the Super15 for the Lions, but is back in action playing for the Griquas

Tian Meyer, previous captain for the U21 Sharks, is now a scrum half in the red, grey and white for the Pumas.

Last, but certainly not least, playing for the Lions is Waylon Murray ( previously in the Sharks) who is sadly out for the rest of the season due to a knee injury.

We hope Westville can keep producing these exciting youngsters and players.


  • 1st paragraph grammer Mistakes. Jammer I was using my phone.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.11.11 07:50:19 by Mocho Reply
  • Good stuff Mocho.

    Westville are becoming renowned for producing stand out SBR players that go far at school level and do well at junior level. I think its testimony to a very good rugby programme that they run at the school. With the all important boarding establishment set to increase in size, it suggests that the WBHS 1st team looks set to become even stronger in the years to come.

    I think Westville fans can look forward to yet another prosperous season in 2012. The nucleus of the team will be made up of the u16 group that was very successful last year. A good number of these players have already represented the 1st team this year.

    Altho he may not have any so-called “star” players, if this 2012 team gels and is able to find a solution to a perceived lineout weakness as well as an able replacement for no.9 Cameron Wright who has moved to Hilton, I think Mike Vowles could be in for his best season yet as head coach.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.11.11 08:07:16 by beet Reply
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  • When I was at Westville, we were pretty k*k at rugby. Of course that was a while back. 😀 There was no conditioning or gym programs and it was pretty much a lottery if the first team coach pitched up for practice. Whippings from Michaelhouse and College were the order of the day and a scoreline of 75-5 was not unusual. It’s a testimony to the great work done by Trevor Hall (headmaster) to turn the sport around. He realized that rugby is a marketable sport that brings in sponsors and spectators, and raises the image of a school… and that’s exactly what’s happened.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.11.11 08:39:33 by CapeShark Reply
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  • What I like to hear!!! Majola is a good player, keep these guys in the loop ;kzn boys should get preference !I wish 😉 Well done westville

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.11.11 08:46:32 by Talent Reply
  • Duncan Cambell is extremely talented

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.11 08:54:52 by Talent Reply
  • @beet (Comment 2) : Thanks man. Yeah let’s hope next year we also find a suitable kicker in the team. I think that cost us 1 to many games this year.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.11 09:09:47 by Mocho Reply

  • Westville ARE doing well but to me it’s just a shift in the money really.

    How many “scholarships” are westville offering now compared to before they started performing?

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.11 09:10:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 3) : Trevor Hall has really done the school well. From a qualified Chartered Accountant to a headmaster. Let’s hope the school can grow. At the moment they need one or two more fields as there are just too many teams. They getting a top aquatic centre, they have a huge multipurpose sports centre, now they just need to find a few more fields and do up Bowdens field.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.11 09:25:29 by Mocho Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Well when I was in school, a lot of the guys had scholarships. Be it 25%, 50%, 100% or even 125%. The thing is half of those scholarships fall away, as the guys switch sports codes or don’t achieve the targets set for them.

    While all schools “buy” players from other schools, I don’t think Westville does it that much. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m saying it happens less than other schools.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.11.11 09:31:52 by Mocho Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 9) : Well if you have a CA running the school, the funds are bound to be managed better leaving more available funds to buy players. 🙂

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.11.11 09:38:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : Funny thing is my dad is also a CA and his the chairman of the governing body. They must have the most sound books from any school in the planet lol. Rugby is probably the 3rd most successful sport is Westville though. Their swimming team is top of the country for some time now, and their soccer team is also up there.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.11.11 09:46:00 by Mocho Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 8) : apparently he’s the man when it comes Accounting,1 of the contributors to our matric textbook in the subject. I think my teacher said he’s the man who moderates all the final matric exam papers before we write them

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.11.11 11:08:47 by Ludz Reply

  • Incepto ne desistam! 😆

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.11.11 12:32:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • As an “old boy” – in more ways than one – it is great to hear the success of the new crop of youngsters leaving the school.
    Yes, results against the top schools initially were few and far between but I must mention perhaps the first rugby star produced by Westville – Tim Cocks.
    Tim played during the late sixties and then progressed to play full back for Durban Collegians and Natal. He was also included in the Springbok touring party to the Argentina but did not – to my knowledge – play in a test match.
    Great player he was!

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.11.11 16:04:01 by senior Reply

  • Well done to Westville for a good rugby programme and improving rugby drastically in the past 10 years. Hugh Reece-Edwards, Mike Vowles, Guy Coombe, Theo Van Rensburg and Dieter Kriese have all done very well. However, I still think they are behind Glenwood in terms of their programme and they have not beaten Glenwood in 5 years. Sean Erasmus, Rudi Dames and Ryno Rust must be the best coaching group in KZN. I would say Glenwood and Westville are leading KZN with Kearsney and College in hot persuit. Glenwood have also produced a good few Sharks, junior Sharks and other province juniors in the past few years, here are a few;
    1) Kyle Cooper – Sharks hooker
    2) Fred Zeilanga – Sharks Under21 flyhalf
    3) Shaun Malton – Sharks Under21 hooker and Captain
    4) Warren Whiteley – Lions No 8
    5) John Roy-Jenkinson – Pumas Under 21 and SA Under 20 prop
    6) Shaun Adendorff – Bulls Under19 Flank
    7) Meyrick Walker – Bulls Under19 Flank
    8) Nanyak Dala – Canada Flank at the World Cup
    9) Senzo Mtshali – Sharks Under 19 hooker
    10) Alwyn Janse Van Rensburg – Sharks Under 19 flank
    11) Wade Elliot – Sharks Under 19 lock
    12) Siyabonga Tom – SA Schools wing and Sharks Under 19 wing – in grade 11
    13) Francois Kleyneins – Sharks Under 21 and SA Under 20

    Also, there are 5 boys at the SA Under 20 trials in Kimberly this week, Dean Moolman, Fred Zeilanga, Alwyn Janse Van Vuuren, Shaun Adendorff and Siyabonga Tom. I think there will many more to come in the next few years too. Home grown Sharks talent, Go Green and Go Sharks!

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.11.11 19:42:19 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 15) : Grassy,as usual Glenwood propaganda,haha. On serious note,Glenwood are definitely the leading side in KZN. Some serious pedigree though among those lads,like Zeilinga but I hear he breaks down very easily mentally,a bit of work with a mental coach and I reckon the Sharks have a star in this lad.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.11.11 20:10:26 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz, sorry who do you support again? So many bloggers and it’s hard to keep up. Agreed Zeilanga has a bit of a Johnny Wilkinson feel about him but currently there are so many good flyhalfs in the country, Elton Jantjes, Patrick Lambie, Johan Goosen etc. I think Fred will end up playing scrumhalf but then Ungerer will be there too. I genuinely think Cooper, Whiteley, Jenkinson and Kleynheins could be future boks. I rate Kleynheins as good as Marcell Coetzee!

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.11.11 20:15:51 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 16) : what mental coach? The Sharks fired theirs back in 2008 🙁

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.11.11 20:56:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 17) : welcome to the site, BTW… I live everything about Glenwood except for the fact that they produce so many f*****n Bulls players!!! What’s with that anyway?

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.11.11 20:59:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 17) : Hey Hopper. Welcome to Sharksworld.

    Young Ludz, the encyclopedia of Border SBR is just a few weeks away from becoming an Old Queenian.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.11.11 21:11:59 by beet Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 17) : I actually think that he could be even better than those okes,1st watched him at the 2009 at CW he was brilliant,actually though he was a strong candidate for the SA schools no.10 jersey that year and Goosen was at that CW. I support the Bulls,quite a couple Rugby365 okes here now,welcome Grassy

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.11.11 21:14:04 by Ludz Reply

  • @beet (Comment 20) : does that make young Ludz a contemporary of Johan Meyer?

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.11.11 21:14:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :that’s a pity,could’ve worked wonders with some of the players

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.11.11 21:17:07 by Ludz Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Yip. And a mate of Allan and his younger bro Marcus as well as another good prospect in the form of the Queens scrummy JP … Help me out Ludz. I hit a blank here!

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.11.11 21:20:28 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 24) : and how could I forget Stander – the next Lionel Cronje at SBR level.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.11.11 21:22:12 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : me and Plank are in the same Geography and Business Studies class. @beet We became old boys on the 20th of October,we had the tie and badge ceremony,special moment I tell you guys

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.11.11 21:23:05 by Ludz Reply

  • @beet (Comment 24) : JP Smith and Josh Stander,reckon this will be the best half back pairing in SBR next year. Joshua Stander,some say he can never be Lionel,some say he’s better than Lionel ever was,I say he has huge future

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.11.11 21:26:49 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 26) : My bad. Things have changed a lot since my school days.

    I remember after my final exam I still had to go back to school to play a last cricket match against M/College on the Saturday before I was finally done and an official Old Boy.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.11.11 21:29:35 by beet Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 27) : Smith. That’s it. Such an unusual surname. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.11.11 21:30:47 by beet Reply
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  • Any College old boys on this forum?? I’ve seen some of the trolling / fights on the rugby365 in which Grasshopper has got stuck in! Serious question have Glenwood got a serious financial backer as their recruitment of talent has been very impressive?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.11.11 21:31:40 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 27) : so I hear you guys have as many as 13 guys with 1st team experience coming back in 2012. It shd be a cracker year for QC.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.11.11 21:32:30 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) : So they should give Selborne a good game next year then? From what I’ve heard / read Selborne had an impressive team this year drawing with Grey College at home.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.11.11 21:36:33 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) : @slammerboy (Comment 32) : yeah we’ve got about 13 who were in the 22 this year,so there should be some good continuity. We really to beat Selborne already,haven’t won against them since 2006,lost 8 and drawn 2 in that time,but am sure Josh and co can do it. Slammerboy Selborne were huge this year,they had 1 of the heaviest packs in the country and had a good backline and lost 1 to Boland Landbou and drew two against Grey College and Queen’s College

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.11.11 21:48:02 by Ludz Reply

  • @beet (Comment 31) : @slammerboy (Comment 32) : yeah we’ve got about 13 who were in the 22 this year,so there should be some good continuity. We really need to beat Selborne already,haven’t won against them since 2006,lost 8 and drawn 2 in that time,but am sure Josh and co can do it. Slammerboy Selborne were huge this year,they had 1 of the heaviest packs in the country and had a good backline and lost 1 to Boland Landbou and drew two against Grey College and Queen’s College

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.11.11 21:48:41 by Ludz Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 32) : @Ludz (Comment 34) : I’ve been luck enough to watch Selborne live for the past 4 years. They seem to get bigger each year.

    This year their pack must have weighed 830kg. That’s massive by SBR standards.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.11.11 21:57:36 by beet Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 34) : Good luck for next year. Couple of me mates are Queens old boys so I try and follow their progress. Re Selborne surprisingly none of their pack were selected for the SA Schools team this year

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.11.11 21:58:58 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 35) : But I feel that their backs are never quite able to match their pack in terms of ability.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.11.11 22:00:26 by beet Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 36) : Don’t get Ludz started. :mrgreen:

    There is one player that he and just about every other resident of the greater Queenstown area feels should have been in SA Schools this year.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.11.11 22:02:12 by beet Reply
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  • @All, firstly many Glenwood players end up at the Bulls or Pumas due to their recruitment at the Pukke, Kearsney and Wildeklawer festivals which Glenwood attends. They obviously get the boys earlier than the Sharks scouts which shows our scouts are obviously not great, because who would prefer Nelspruit or Pretoria over Durban. @Ludz, Glenwood play Queens, Dale and Monnas next year at the Kearsney festival. I am looking forward to the Queens game as I remember getting hammered by Queens in 1995! 34-10 I think it was. @All, Glenwood have no extra money to ‘recruit’ players they rely on having the best coach and team in KZN to attract the best talent and also give out the standard sports bursaries at Grade 8 level. The Glenwood 1st team for 2012 is looking pretty special on paper, see here;

    Team 2012
    1) Sanele Pina (loose head prop or hooker) – KZN Craven Week 2011 – 100kg
    2) Marne Coetzee (tight head prop) – SA Schools 2011 – 105kg
    3) Thabiso Zondi (prop) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    4) Matthew Worral-Claire (tight head prop) – KZN Craven Week 2011 – 100kg
    5) JJ Pretorius (prop) – 1st team 2011 – 105kg
    6) Sihle Nxabi (lock) – KZN Academy 2011 – 98kg
    7) Muziwandile Mazabuko (lock) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    8) Jacques Meintjies (flank) – 1st team 2011 – 85kg
    9) Vusi Mtembu (flank) – KZN Academy 2011
    10) Marlu Gouws (No 8) – 1st team 2011
    11) Seth Van der Heever (No8) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    12) Carel Swart (No8) – KZN Craven Week 2011 – 95kg
    13) Mtokosisi Mkhabela (scrumhalf) – SA Academy 2011 – 75kg
    14) Heino Beneke (scrumhalf) – 1st team – 70kg
    15) Unathi Mkasi (flyhalf) – KZN Academy 2011 – 75kg
    16) Nkululeko Marwana (centre) – KZN Craven Week 2011 – 83kg
    17) Dylan Coulsen (wing or centre) – 1st team 2011 – 80kg
    18) Spamandla Ngcobo (centre) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    19) Ntiantla Ngubani (centre) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    20) Kwanda Ntshangase (centre) – KZN Grant Khomo 2011
    21) Siyabonga Tom (wing) – SA Schools 2011 – 80kg
    22) Warren Potgieter (fullback) – Valke Craven Week 2011

    As for Selborne this year, yes they had a monster pack, around 830kg and a tight 5 over 550kg! But all of them are gone and Selborne will have to rebuild. Methinks Queens should expect a good win next year.

    Good luck to all the schools sides next year. The KZN ‘conference’ is looking to be tough again with Kearsney, Westville, Glenwood and College going for top spot and the others all improving. Bodes well for KZN Craven Week 2012!

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.11.11 22:04:48 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 36) : Craven Week turned out to be a huge disappointment for Border. They certainly had the talent, all 3 major schools in the region enjoyed a good season and with the core of the CW team coming from the successful Selborne team, who were a top 6 national team this season, they really should have challenged for a place in the unofficial CW final.

    Had they played to their true potential, I’m sure they wud have had at least a couple of SA Schools players. Prop Geldenhuys, the hooker Qinisile, Andrew Love and Punguzwa were all guys with an outside chance of making the SA team.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.11.11 22:14:43 by beet Reply
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  • @Beet. Agreed, my Dad said he was surpised Geldenhuys, Qinisile and Love didn’t make it. It seems the Bulls have snapped up Geldenhuys. Here is the Selborne 2011 pack
    1) Jakha Qinela – 104kg
    2) Siphato Qinisile – 96kg
    3) Ryan Germishuys – 119kg
    4) Jason Orpen – 107kg
    5) Andrew Love – 112kg
    6) Joshua Kriel – 90kg
    7) Freddy Lubbe – 88kg
    8) Punguzwa – 96kg
    Total: 812kg

    I think only Affies and Noord Kaap had bigger packs. Madness, in my day 750kg was considered big.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.11.11 22:36:53 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @beet (Comment 40) : Germishuys is big lad,I weight about 90 kilos and am a bit taller than Ryan,he’s probably 30 kilos heavier than I am,team selection was a major issue,remember when Josh came off the bench with WP leading 34-0 at half-time and he came in and the match ended with the score something like 42-26. Still say Meyer should’ve been SA Schools 8thman,but guess Stoney ticked all the right boxes,captaincy and all that,but as players Johan far superior. Andrew Love is a huge lad,but he’s very soft for a man of his size,his lineout presence though is a huge asset. Punguzwa was probably the lad who surprised me the most at Craven Week,he and Meyer were the best forward there. Siphatho Qinisile is as hard as they come,Ruan Steenkamp kinda player

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.11.11 22:37:57 by Ludz Reply

  • I left out a few other names from Glenwood in the provincial mix;

    1) Deucellen Van der Merwe (Sharks Under 19 prop) – played 2nd team at school
    2) Wade Elliot (Sharks Under 19 flank)
    3)Fred Schnetler (SA Schools lock and Leopards Under 21 flank
    4) Jayden Hill (SA Schools lock and Ireland provincial team)
    5) Brian Shabangu – SA Emerging Sevens Captain

    Go Green!

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.11.11 22:48:54 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Grey Bloem front row was huge! Neethling Fouche (115kg), Rudolph Botha (117kg) and Jaques du Toit (94kg) = 326kg! Watch out for Carel Swart the Glenwood No 8 in 2012, a absolute machine!!!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.11.11 22:56:24 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 41) : I heard Noord-Kaap were massive. One of their guys I think Nortje weighed in at about 118kg. They were unbeaten but couldn’t crack the top 5 even though they beat Affies. The Top 20 is such a bone of contention on all forums esp rugby365!

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.11.11 22:56:57 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Slammerboy. Yep, the Top 20 is very debatable as not all teams play each other. I mean the biggest joke of the year was KES in the Top 10 when they only played 2 sides in the top 20. Noord Kaap would have klapped them. The top 5 are pretty much set in stone, Grey Bloem, Affies, Monnas, Waterkloof and Paarl Boys with Paarl Gim and a couple of others knocking the door ocassionally. I hope Glenwood can be in the top 10 next year…

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.11.11 23:01:26 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 42) : It was unfortunate that Stander couldn’t start at CW.

    When I saw Andrew Love in 2010 at Kearsney, he looked a lot more athletic and in 2011, he looked seriously heavy and I thought that he might have lost his jumping edge and mobility due to the astonishing increase in weight. He went from 96kg to 112kg in 1 year. That’s a massive gain. 😯 16.67% or 1/6th bigger in 1 year.

    Selborne beat Monnas at Kearsney this year. The team played really well. Punguzwa and Kwezi Mona had huge games.

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.11.11 23:04:33 by beet Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 46) : When I suggested to Siyabonga Tom after the Affies game that GM had the potential to be a top 5 team in 2012, his reply to me was “we’re going for number one!”.

    I loved the positive attitude. So refreshing. And so right in my opinion. Why aim to just be a top 10 side when you feel you can be the very top team.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.11.11 23:09:17 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 47) : no way you put on that much weight without inspuitings… Surely!

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.11.11 23:11:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : I don’t know what they’re putting in the guys’ porridge in East London but it’s the only coastal region that doesn’t conform with trend of coastal kids being a lot smaller (genetically) than the platteland kids on average. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.11.11 23:20:13 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 47) : maybe next year I’ll come to the Kearsney Festival,that’s if varsity isn’t too hectic. Would love to watch the Green Machine against the Whites,have you got a list of the fixtures at the Festival next year. Is Andrew coming to the Sharks next year? Reckon with a bit of work he could be a star,he’s been the best lock here at Border for the past two seasons,he’s a very nice lad,had 1 or 2 encounters with him,humble oke. Beet you’re a Kearsney Old Boy?

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.11.11 23:22:30 by Ludz Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 39) : I must say its impressive to see how much Glenwood rugby has improved over the last few years. Sounds like a very professional setup. Thankfully when I was at school we never lost to the Green Machine! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.11.11 23:25:29 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet: when you mean smaller,do you mean in weight or in height?

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.11.11 23:26:24 by bergshark Reply

  • Duncan Campbell was 3rd in line for flyhalves for province u19. So his move to lions was kind of forced. Dillion leyds and Warren Seals played ahead of him.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.11.11 23:55:03 by mikey Reply

  • @mikey (Comment 54) : what’s up with House? You okes all representing down in Jozi now… only 1 man left standing… lucky he’s the best of the lot!

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.11.11 00:01:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan, creatine and glutamine can help you gain about a kilo a month but alot of it is water retetion so you look bloated. I reckon this Love kid probably went on both to get heavier but might have slowed him done a bit.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.11.11 00:08:35 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Slammerboy, what school were you at?

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.11.11 00:09:24 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @grasshopper: corn syrup and glucose tablets,etc.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.11.11 00:12:17 by bergshark Reply

  • @Beet, good to hear Tom’s response. It seems Sean has installed a belief in the boys. In the past we were always in awe of Grey Bloem and Affies, but I think our win over Grey Bloem in 2006 was the point when things changed, since then we have beaten Affies twice, College most years, Paul Roos and had some other big scalps. If Tom makes SA schools again next year he will become Glenwood’s best ever backline player. Our team is looking good, but lets hope expectation does not get the better of them and they stay level headed. We don’t want another Northwood blip…

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.11.11 00:14:16 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 57) : College, finished 95 Had a good team that year

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.11.11 00:14:42 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy: did you play for college first xv?

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.11.11 00:18:39 by bergshark Reply

  • Ah ok, so Pieter Dixons year. Great College side. I also remember Rich Kelly, Luke Lotriet, Gary Van Vuuren, Clint Bruyns, Geoff Appleford, Trevor Boynton, Matt Frank, Rob Linde and co of that generation. I played 2nd and a couple of 1st team games for Glenwood in 1996, when Rudi de Vry moved to College from Glenwood. Rich Kelly must have been the most muscular schoolboy player I have ever seen. Loved his dual with Barrett Pardey in rugby and athletics (shot put). You are right College smashed us in probably the worst 5 years of rugby at Glenwood, 1993 to 1997…

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.11.11 00:21:55 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 61) : Nope, let’s just say I participated in the sport as opposed to excelling at it. Just had a look at some stats. 2008 and 2009 u did the double over College. The hammerings Goldstones would have hurt. It’s evident that while Glenwood has gone forward dare I say it College has taken a few steps back.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.11.11 00:29:20 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Slammerboy, no I think College are on the way back up. You have a really talented Under15a team coming through, funnily coached by Steve La Marque, a Glenwood Old Boy teaching at College. College are never easy beats, they will always be strong especially down the line. I quite enjoyed our ‘double’ over College this year and the 1st cricket win 2 weeks ago. Your hockey is in another universe though…..we were stoked losing by just one goal earlier in the year when Glutz scored like his millioneth goal of the season…

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.11.11 00:36:01 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 62) : yeah the 95 year was vintage. I’m friends with a few of the guys. Rich Kelly was very well conditioned and in 96 was the starting 3 in the SA Scools team with John Smit on the bench. in 95 DHS actually had one of their better years. The likes of Nick Cruickshank, Lee Bacon, Wade Wingfield, Gavin Whittingham and Matthew Hollingshead were good in that year

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.11.11 00:36:09 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @mikey (Comment 54) : It seemed like a crazy move at first but it turned out really well for Duncan Campbell – winning the u19 CC with the Lions.

    Do you have any idea what’s happened to the WP u19 scrumhalf Guy Whitfield?

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.11.11 07:56:27 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 53) : Yes. In both height and weight generally.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.11.11 07:57:06 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 66) : I’m not too sure. I know my mate from house hilton Mudariki sits on the bench for province u19. I’m not sure who plays ahead of him.

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.11.11 09:46:22 by mikey Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : I guess the opportunity of playing regular rugby is too big an opportunity to turn down. It has done wonders for Rhodes’ and Cilliers’ careers. I’m surprised Ross moved. I’m sure his brother Guy must have influenced him. Although now Ross has a chance to start for a super rugby team. Better than Bondesio imo.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.11.11 09:49:25 by mikey Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 60) : hey! So you’d know Geoff Appleford?

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.11.11 10:12:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @mikey (Comment 69) : I can’t say I fault any of the players on making that decision individually – not even Ross – it is a huge shame collectively that we’ve lost such a talented generation from Michaelhouse.

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.11.11 10:15:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : ya.. As a sharks supporter it pains me to see them playing for another province. I watch lions games with more intent now 🙂 I’m glad to see them performing well. Some might think I’m getting carried away, but I reckon Cilliers could represent SA in the future. With our current shortage of tightheads.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.11.11 10:19:54 by mikey Reply

  • @Slammerboy – yep both DHS and College had great sides in 95. Glenwood could have had a great side if they played as a team rather than individuals. Going through the age groups they beat everyone. Gareth Weir, Clinton Janke, Rudi de Vry, Wesley Pulvenis, Barrett Pardey, Stuart Kerr, Bronsen Dreyer, Sean Erasmus and co were brilliant, but I think it got to their heads a bit. Also, methinks the lure of girls and parties got to these guys and it effected their conditioning. I still remember in 93 Barrett Pardey running on for the 1st team as a 15 year old reserve and giving the 20 year old Michaelhouse prop a good drilling. Rich Kelly was a scrumming machine, short, stocky and powerful. I can see why he played ahead of John Smit. I think we lost by 40 odd points on Goldstones that year. Only Sean Erasmus, Barrett Pardey and Stuart Kerr played well. In my year, only Nic Strauss (now playing in France for Narbonne) and Greg Manning went on to play higher honours. Very weak years for Glenwood, I think we even lost to Voortrekker and Afrikaans Hoer Durban Noord! I call them the dark years!

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.11.11 10:23:50 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Mikey, yep I think Pat has a good chance of being a Bok if Coenie Oosthuizen doesn’t play well there. I also think Dale Chadwick, Kyle Cooper (post Bizzie), Warren Whiteley, Marcell Coetzee and Fran Kleyheins all have a good chance too.

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.11.11 10:27:43 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Two great games;
    Glenwood vs Michaelhouse 2008 –
    Glenwood vs Grey Bloem 2006 –

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.11.11 10:30:32 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @mikey (Comment 72) : look, I think Pat was just unlucky at the Sharks. He had the inside track at one stage – back when he was still just 19 – but that knee injury cost him 18 months and in that time, other players leapfrogged him. My gut feel is that he wouldn’t have shaped at the Sharks as a tighthead, not with BJ, Jannie and even Carstens ahead of him when he came back from Europe. Later van Staden and Herbst also leapfrogged him. As much as I like Pat, he can’t hold a candle to a guy like Wiehahn at 3 – not in the parts of the game that really matter.

    Loosehead is a different story and I felt that Pat came through very well for us in the number 1 jersey during the Currie Cup last year, when Beast wasn’t around. It’s disappointing that he went to the Lions because he would have started just about all of our Currie Cup games at loosehead this year. Still, not going to be picked ahead of beast for Super Rugby, I guess, so his chances of gametime in that competition would always have been better at the Lions.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.11.11 10:30:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 73) : so Sean Erasmus is a Glenwood old boy?

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.11.11 10:32:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan – No, a different Sean Erasmus. This Sean Erasmus was a 115kg, 5foot10 monster scrummager. I think he made KZN schools in 1995. Glenwood have always produced great forwards, it’s backs that have been the issue over the years. I think since 2000 that is where the difference has come from. Our backs are quick, skillful and good! From 92 to 96 when I was at Glenwood we always had KZN Schools forwards, David Terblanche (92 No8), Leyton Pardey (Barrets brother – 92 prop), Lee Fernandes (94 prop) etc…

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.11.11 10:38:02 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 78) : I notice that Shaun Adendorff is the younger brother of Ian, who played junior rugby for us a few years back before hurting himself. Also played Bok Sevens, if memory serves

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.11.11 10:43:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan – Correct, not sure what happened to Ian though. Both very powerful runners though….

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.11.11 10:46:25 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 80) : I’ve just been chatting to Ian. He’ll play for Tuks next year

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.11.11 10:52:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’ve just thought of a way-out idea…

    Since we have people on this thread who seem to have an intimate knowledge of every schoolboy who has played anywhere in the country for the last 5 years – and many with links to the schools concerned – we should jointly be able to work out who the Sharks under 19 contracted group is for next year, right? Who’s keen to help me?

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.11.11 10:53:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • From Glenwood, I think Neil Oelofse (prop) to Sharks and Jacques Taylor (hooker) and Dean Moolman (centre) to Bulls…..not sure of the others.

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.11.11 10:57:33 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 83) : Oelofse is heading to the Bulls institution. He told me himself.

    I think we’ll keep Matt Jones the Kearsney and SA Academy LH prop tho.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.11.11 11:00:41 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : You can throw in Pat Howard, WP-U19 centre and Ruan Combrinck, WP-19 Fullback lost to the Sharks

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.11.11 11:04:08 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 84) : we’re almost as bad as Province, but just the other way round… keep ALL the props and let everyone else go!

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.11.11 11:07:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Of Glenwood’s current crop for 2012, Marne Coetzee, Siyabonga Tom and Warren Potgieter will probably be contracted for the Under 19’s.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.11.11 11:07:42 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 85) : both MHS, yes?

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.11.11 11:08:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : yeah I know him. Pity he suffered the career ending injury. Think he is the only player to be signed by Northampton whilst injured then not getting to play one game. I remember watching him carve up Northampton playing for London Irish in the 2002 Powergen Cup final. think he scored twice in the game. Johan Ackermann played for Northampton in the same game.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.11.11 11:08:55 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 87) : Thanks… I don’t know anything about Potgieter… is he also a prop? 🙂

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.11.11 11:09:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : yip. Combrinck played in the 2008 MHS Dream Team and Howard in the 2009 team

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.11.11 11:10:22 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 75) : That 2008 game brings back a few memories.
    Both teams captains and SA schools reps were out injured (Lambie & Malton)on the day.
    It also illustrates the step up required to U19 and U21 level. There were several outstanding schoolboy players in both sides who played Craven Week who seem to have been lost to rugby.

    On the MHS side wing Awande Khumalo and flyhalf Reef Nakin had promise. I saw Nakin play for the U19’s last year but I’m not sure where he is now.

    Pat Lambie, Ruan Combrinck, Robert de Bruyn, Pat Howard, Louis Albertse and Cameron Lindsay are all still in the system (as far as I know).
    On the Glenwood side Kleynhans, Malton and Jenkinson are definately still playing pro rugby – any others?

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.11.11 11:10:40 by steve Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 89) : Geoff was my best mate at Dundee Junior Primary 🙂

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.11.11 11:13:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : oh – he’s a flyhalf. Hope he can jol centre too 🙂

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.11.11 11:14:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan – nope Warren Potgieter is a fullback/flyhalf who played Valke Craven Week and for EG Jansen. He moved down to Durban earlier in the year and played the last 4 games for Glenwood. Methink the Sharks scouted him and he chose to school at Glenwood knowing some of the Glenwood boys from playing them…

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.11.11 11:14:48 by Grasshopper Reply

  • well, I’ve managed to confirm one name who’ll be at the Academy next year…

    Tyler Fisher (centre)

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.11.11 11:16:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 91) : Combrinck played in the 2007 and 2008 MHS sides playing academy Week in 2007 and Craven Week in 2008. In 2007 he formed part of a excellent back three with Mark Richards and Pat Lambie.
    Pat Howard first played 1st XV at MHS in 2008 when still U16. He was converted from loose forward following injuries. He played in 2009 and 2010 playing Craven Week in both of those years.

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.11.11 11:16:18 by steve Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 95) : that’s interesting, isn’t it? Moving schools halfway through your matric year…

    Why would he do that? I mean, if the Sharks wanted him , they could have contracted him for his u19 year and let him finish school at EG Jansen?

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.11.11 11:17:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Steve, I think Fred Zeilanga might have played a couple of games in 2008 off the bench. There were some good players like Ruan Burr-Dixon, Storm Pearton, Anrich Arlow, K. Beeton, S.D Smith and A.K Zungu etc who seemed to have disappeared!

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.11.11 11:24:10 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @robdylan – not sure why, but there could be many reasons for this. Family moving, maybe he wanted to get into the KZN structures earlier and be closer for training if called up, buying with all the millions that a gov school like Glenwood has…NOT 😉 . Glenwood had a decent flyhalf and fullback so he was not required for this year…..?

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.11.11 11:27:41 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 99) : I know that Zungu came up to UJ in 2009 – he had a UJ busary but didnt get a Lions contract. I think he played for the UJ U19’s and then focused on his studies.
    The problem for any talented young rugby player with serious academic intent is reconciling the two.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.11.11 11:39:08 by steve Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 99) : Here is a clip from 2008 Craven Week – it has an MHS bias but most of the glenwood players listed feature as well as a few others like Hadebe and Stander from Westville

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.11.11 11:48:17 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, great clip. I see the half backs were Glenwood, Arlow and Pearton. I wonder what happened to them. Nakin looked very impressive. Good to see Glenwood playing Michaelhouse (17th March 2012 at Glenwood) and Hilton (21st April at Hilton) again next year.

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.11.11 12:13:38 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 103) : I dont know about Arlow but Pearton is playing club rugby in Durban but struggled with injuries/concussion.

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.11.11 12:51:38 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 75) : Did u notice a young Warren Whitely lead the Glenwood side out against Grey College..and score the 1st try.

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.11.11 12:57:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • Yep, he is a great player. Lacks leg power though but is more of a running loose forward with great ball skills. I actually think he is better than Kankowski and Spies!

  • Comment 106, posted at 10.11.11 13:12:28 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 106) : He also has an excellent work ethic – I can tell you that he is the fittest player at the Lions – and the Lions are a fit side.
    Whiteley, Cilliers and Rhodes all played in the 2006 Craven Week side that beat the Bulls at CW.

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.11.11 13:19:27 by steve Reply

  • @Mocho, so where are the articles on the other KZN Schools supplying Sharks juniors. It seems Sharksworld could be biased to Westville. Maybe an overall article on KZN Schools?

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.11.11 18:11:33 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 108) : if you write one about glenwood, I’ll gladly put it up

  • Comment 109, posted at 10.11.11 18:15:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan, gosh where do I start! Since 2000, Glenwood has produced over 50 KZN Craven Week A team players, 5 SA Schools players, 2 SA Academy Schools players, 2 SA Under 20 players etc. KZN Schools rugby trophy 4 years in a row. SANIX Champs in 2009!

  • Comment 110, posted at 10.11.11 18:33:09 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @grasshopper: start at the beginning ( when glenwood didn’t know what to do with a rugby ball )

  • Comment 111, posted at 10.11.11 18:58:47 by bergshark Reply

  • @Bergshark, so from 1910 when we started playing ;-). Too much to cover…101 years!

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.11.11 19:03:58 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper: 1910! ..think this should be done in a few chapters then

  • Comment 113, posted at 10.11.11 19:07:07 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark. I won’t bore you too much and will try and do a century summary. Imagine College and DHS with close to 150 years to write about.

  • Comment 114, posted at 10.11.11 19:17:47 by Grasshopper Reply

  • The early Years (1912 to 1928)
    Glenwood High School, Durban’s second oldest boys high school and known affectionately as the Grasshoppers or Green Machine started playing rugby in 1912 fielding 2 teams with the 2nd side containing 2 masters. They played DHS that year and were soundly beaten by the much more experienced side. The Glenwood field was in atrocious condition so the school decided to move their games to the Lord’s Ground where they would be taught rugby by the members of the Durban Rugby club. It was between the Great War years that Glenwood scored it’s first victory over DHS. However, it was not until 1924 that Glenwood were really able to meet other schools and Colleges in Natal on an equal footing. In 1923 Mr J.R Sullivan, a New Zealand rugby trialist before emigrating to South Africa, joined the school staff and took over the 1st team coaching reigns. He battled initially trying to install a winning culture to a team that never anticipated victory. The defensive system of the Glenwood team was superb due the team always trying to keep the score down. He changed the teams style to attack is the best means of defense. He introduced the New Zealand game plan in all aspects of Glenwood’s play. The Glenwood side played and defeated DHS that year using these new skills and from then on their rise was rapid. Glenwood defeated on more than one occasion every High School team in the province; 1926 to 1928 were great years in the schools rugby history. A great year was 1924 and greater still 1925. The school won the Junior Murray Cup in 1924 and again in 1925. In 1927 they won the Under19 League and in 1928 the Under20 League. This was all achieved without their own rugby field and only 200 boys to choose from.
    KZN Schools Players
    1923 L.A. Allison
    1923 L.C. Tedder
    1923 W.M. Chaplin

  • Comment 115, posted at 10.11.11 20:03:02 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Glenwood results against Traditional Rivals since 1915;

    vs Hilton (1915)
    Played: 95
    Won: 36
    Lost: 54
    Drawn: 5
    % Win: 38%

    vs DHS (1922)
    Played: 140
    Won: 49
    Lost: 80
    Drawn: 11
    % Win: 35%

    vs Maritzburg College (1921)
    Played: 161
    Won: 38
    Lost: 109
    Drawn: 14
    % Win: 24%

    vs Michaelhouse (1933)
    Played: 81
    Won: 32
    Lost: 47
    Drawn: 2
    % Win: 40%

    vs Kearsney (1942)
    Played: 69
    Won: 41
    Lost: 25
    Drawn: 3
    % Win: 59%

    vs Westville (1964)
    Played: 46
    Won: 31
    Lost: 13
    Drawn: 2
    % Win: 67%

    vs Northwood/Northlands/Beachwood (1955)
    Played: 49
    Won: 35
    Lost: 11
    Drawn: 4
    % Win: 71%

    So, over about 100 years of rugby Glenwood are about 5th in the province behind much older schools in Hilton, Michaelhouse, DHS and College. But based on the last 10 years they are No1 in KZN.

  • Comment 116, posted at 10.11.11 20:30:00 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Glenwood KZN A Craven Week players since 2000;

    2000 P.M. Methula
    2000 CT. Mzolo
    2000 M.E. Ngidi
    2000 T. Nteta
    2001 N. Dala
    2001 M.P. Methula (SA Schools)
    2001 T. Nteta (SA Academy)
    2002 N. Dala
    2002 J.C. Hill (SA Schools)
    2004 P.S. Brown
    2004 B. Momberg
    2005 D.A. Slater
    2005 W.R. Whiteley
    2006 N.T. Khuzwayo
    2006 T.B. Masele
    2006 D. Muir
    2007 D. Muir
    2008 A.P. Arlow
    2008 K. Beeton
    2008 F. Kleinhans
    2008 S.J. Malton (SA Schools)
    2008 S. Pearton
    2008 S.D. Smith
    2008 A.K. Zungu
    2009 R. Grobler
    2009 B. Groenewald
    2009 J.R. Jenkinson
    2009 F. Kleinhans
    2009 M. Mbuyazi
    2009 S.E. Mtshali
    2009 F.J. Schnetler (SA)
    2009 S. van der Schyff
    2009 F.J. Zeilinga
    2010 W.D. Elliott
    2010 F.A. Jansen van Vuuren
    2010 S.E. Mtshali
    2010 M. Ntshingila
    2010 N. Oelofse
    2010 C.S. Richmond
    2010 M.J. Torrance
    2010 Z. van Greunen
    2010 M.S.Walker
    2010 F.J. Zeilinga
    2011 N.Oelofse
    2011 J.Taylor
    2011 W.Worral-Claire
    2011 F.Horn
    2011 C.Swart
    2011 S.Tom (SA Schools)
    2011 D.Moolman
    2011 S.Pina
    2011 N.Marwana
    2011 M. Makhabela (SA Academy)

    Go Green!!!!!

  • Comment 117, posted at 10.11.11 20:35:31 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper: nice work!
    Seems like glenwood needs to work on that win/lose average vs pmb college,though.

  • Comment 118, posted at 10.11.11 21:56:03 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark, since 2000 I think Glenwood have a 55% win ratio over College so if they can keep that up for a few years the overall win ratio will get better. We are 50 years younger so put it into some perspective. I think most schools in KZN will have a less than 40% win ratio over College…

  • Comment 119, posted at 10.11.11 22:29:32 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 119) : Still always about beating College :mrgreen:

  • Comment 120, posted at 10.11.11 23:04:25 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Slammerboy, nope it’s about beating all opposition. Next year will be tough with 22 games in our fixture list including Affies, Grey Bloem, Monnas, Dale, Queens, College, Westville, Kearsney etc…

  • Comment 121, posted at 10.11.11 23:49:47 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 121) : i like this guy for 1 particular reason his love for his alma mater,but also because he’s objective in his analysis of his school. There’s a certain Bog on rugby365 who sees nothing good in rugby that was educated outside of Grey College,I’ve never seen a man so biased

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.11.11 07:57:33 by Ludz Reply

  • @bergshark, here are the stats against College since 2000;
    Played: 22
    Won: 11
    Lost: 11
    % Win: 50%

    Between 1950 and 1960 we did not beat College once and in the 90’s we only won 2 games, so methinks Glenwood need at least another 2 decades of at least 50% win rate to bring it up to around 40%. College are the greatest rugby school in KZN and probably 5th in SA behind Grey Bloem, Paarl Boys, Paarl Gim and Paul Roos. Who can argue with over 20 SA Schools players, 14 Boks and more internationals;

    Maritzburg College (14 Springboks)
    For South Africa: EH “Baby” Shum, Wally Clarkson, Bill Payn, Beevee Vanderplank, who was the oldest Springbok at the time of his death, Phil Nel who captained the famous 1937 Springboks, George van Reenen, Keith Oxlee, Ormie Taylor, Andy van der Watt, Joel Stransky, Jeremy Thomson, Pieter Dixon, Butch James and Peter Grant.
    For England: HD Freakes who was killed flying for the RAF during World War II, Geoff Appleford.
    For Italy: Wim Visser.
    For the USA: Juan Grobler
    For Zimbabwe: Brenton Catterall

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.11.11 10:50:49 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Hi all, check out here for a write up on your schools;


  • Comment 124, posted at 11.11.11 11:36:50 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 116) :
    While I appreciate your unwavering enthusiasm for your alma mater I think it would be fairer to say that Glenwood’s ascendency has taken place over the last four years or so rather than since 2000 ;-).

    There is no doubt that Glenwood have dominated since 2008/9 but I think that a few other schools also had periods of dominance in the early to mid 2000’s.
    Maritzburg College only began their decline in about 2007 and I am glad to see they seem to be turning around.
    From memory Kearsney (Brad Barritt’s era) were strong in 2004 and 2005 as were Westvile. Michaelhouse had a good side in 2004 (a rare win against Affies), and probably their best sides in 2007 and 2008.
    I may be wrong but I can’t remember a MHS 1st XV losing to Glenwood between 2003 and 2008 when I had boys at school. Over the same period I think that there was one win and a draw against College.
    That said I am pretty sure Glenwood have beaten MHS every year from 2009.

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.11.11 11:38:10 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, agreed most teams have had a good year or two but Glenwood seemed to have had this for about 5 years now so are on a run. Since 2000 Glenwood has played Michaelhouse 8 times, winning 4, losing 3 and drawing 1. Results as follows and maybe you can help with the gaps;

    2000 – Glenwood won 19-14
    2004 – Michaelhouse won 33-22
    2008 – Drawn 24-24
    2009 – Glenwood won 31-20
    2010 – Glenwood won 27-8
    2011 – No match played
    ? – Glenwood won 17-13
    ? – Michaelhouse won 24-12
    ? – Michaelhouse won 7-6

    Michaelhouse has always been Glenwood’s bogey team over the years. Even in 1994, when we played Michaelhouses team with 7 post matrics and were in the lead with 5 minutes to go, the Michaelhouse win intercepted to break our hearts. The Glenwood side was very young, small and mediocre and we held the much older and bigger pack all afternoon. Great memories……I even remember my Dad saying to me that the Michaelhouse pack looked like men!

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.11.11 12:07:37 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 126) : Why was not match played this year? Also was it Hilton who refused to play Glenwood this / last year?

  • Comment 127, posted at 11.11.11 12:09:27 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 124) : I’ve got a copy. Ideal Christmas present as a coffee table book. Accurate up to 2007 I think

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.11.11 12:14:01 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Slammerboy, lets clear up the story on Michaelhouse and Hilton. In 2006 or 2007, can’t remember there was an altercation at Hilton between parents I believe and after the match the headmasters agreed to a 5 year ‘cooling off’ period where the teams would not play each other. This period is now over hence Glenwood will play Hilton in 2012. With regards to Michaelhouse this year, there was just not enough room in the fixture list for both schools due to holidays and festivals they were committed too. Both sets of Old Boys made a complaint as Michaelhouse vs Glenwood is a classic/traditional fixture and this was made priority for 2012. So both midlands schools will play Glenwood in 2012, good to see! I think Glenwood would have given Hilton a good smack last year so probably best. However, Hilton have a good Under16 group coming through so should be competitive in 2012.

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.11.11 12:20:49 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 126) : Not sure which games the scores are for but I know MHS won at Glenwood in 2005. I suspect that the other MHS win was in 2003 – Robbie Diack’s side – which would have been at Glenwood as well.
    the 2006 and 2007 fixtures were cancelled due to teachers strikes and a flu epidemic.
    I think that the 2007 MHS side would have been favourites in that year and 2006 a 50/50 game.

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.11.11 12:42:33 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, thanks for the info. How is MHS looking for 2012? I see Hilton have brought in Brad Mcleod-Henderson as head coach. I see they probably focussing some funds and energy on rugby after their dire 2011 season…

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.11.11 12:49:17 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Is Steve botha the pmb college first team coach?
    What’s happening at st charles?

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.11.11 13:04:55 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 132) : Dont thinks he’s the 1st team coach. Think’s hes the rugby administrator.

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.11.11 13:14:49 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 131) :
    I’m not sure about MHS in 2012 – will try and get a view from someone who should know.
    Hilton needed to do something – their last good side was in 2005 – Roddy Grant, who is now playing in Scotland captained them and I think that he and the 9 and 10 (Mommsen) played Craven week.
    On the subject of MHS & Hilton this has to be my favourite youtube clip – 2007 the game at MHS.
    The MHS backline provided 9, 10 12, 13 and 15 to the 2007 Craven Week side with 11 (Ruan Combinck) and 14 (Mark Richards) missing out and going to the Academy Week for reasons other than merit.

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.11.11 13:18:48 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, great clip. Here is another showing why schools rugga in SA is like no other in the world!

  • Comment 135, posted at 11.11.11 13:52:00 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 135) : I’m sure it is true that the Paarl derby is the biggest schools game anywhere.
    There are so many great derbys all over SA

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.11.11 14:20:15 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, it must be with over 25,000 spectators. Glenwood vs DHS or Glenwood vs Westville can usually attract up to 10,000 at a game but the school cannot accomodate anymore. Maybe if these games were played at a bigger stadium there would be more spectators but then that would take away the home advantage. I think the Michaelhouse vs Hilton game could have more spectators if Michaelhouse built a proper stand, there is plenty of space :-). Hilton should do the same, something like the stand at Kearsney. It would be great in the annual Kearsney festival could be changed to a KZN one where a different school hosted each year….

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.11.11 17:31:22 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 137) : there have been offers over the years from donors wanting to build a grandstand – the school has always maintained that the setting would lose some of its traditional feel and declined.
    Incidentally if you watch that 2007 clip you will see that that team were regularly using what has now become known as the Sonny Bill pass back then.

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.11.11 17:57:20 by steve Reply

  • @steve, hmmmm…..if the stand was designed properly and not too high it would add to the surrounding rather than deter from them, but hey I’m sure it involved a Board of Directors vote. Schools need to evolve and I think it could be great, maybe even house an Old Boys bar? Yep, I see Sonny Bill might have learnt from watching Michaelhouse clips from 2007 😉

  • Comment 139, posted at 11.11.11 18:06:11 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 139) : I agree on the stand – it was discussed again a few years ago and I’m sure it will happen one day.

    here are a few more backhand passes against DHS!
    PDivvy would not have approved 😉

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.11.11 18:46:20 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, good clip again. The Michaelhouse video guy loves his dramatic music! Could you name your Michaelhouse all time 15? I will have a go at Glenwood’s with almost 2 in each position;

    1) Petros Methula (SA Schools) & Victor Tsewu (KZN Schools x 2)
    2) Don Walton & John Allen (both Boks)
    3) John Roy Jenkinson (SA Under 20) & BG Smith (KZN Schools)
    4) Mauritz Van den Berg (Bok) & Jayden Hill (SA Schools)
    5) Roger Sheriff (Bok) & Ricky Schnetler (SA Schools)
    6) Nanyak Dala (Canada) & De Honri (KZN Schools)
    7) Mark McKenzie (KZN Schools) & Nic Strauss (KZN Schools/Sharks/Narbonne)
    8) Derek La Marques (SA Schools Captain and Natal) & Hardie (KZN Schools)
    9) Pat Stack (KZN Schools) & Bruce Plummer
    10) Hylton Aylward (KZN Schools x 2) & Fred Zeilanga (KZN Schools & Sharks Under21)
    11) Roy Andrew (KZN Schools) & Dennis Morrissey (KZN Schools x 2)
    12) Dennis Baronet (SA Schools) & Dean Moolman (KZN Schools)
    13) Kevin Sclanders (KZN Schools x 2)
    14) Cliffie Brown (KZN Schools) & Siyabonga Tom (SA Schools)
    15) Rod Gould (Boks) & Greg Manning (KZN Schools)

    Not too bad!

  • Comment 141, posted at 11.11.11 19:06:25 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 141) :
    It’s very difficult to think about an “all time XV” never having seen some of the players from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and remembering that Craven week only began in the 60’s and SA Schools sides in the 70’s.
    I am told that Michaelhouse had a dominant side in the 1930’s for example!
    I can’t compare a Chick Henderson who played No8 for Scotland and Transvaal to a more recent Robbie Diack.
    The same applies to Kim Elgie (Scotland and Natal).
    Who do you pick at fullback – Pat Lambie or his old man, Ian, who was also outstanding at school and whose Natal career in the early 80’s ended prematurely through an injury that would be routine today. Rob Hankinson, who played SA Schools in 2004 and 2005 and went on to play hooker for Natal for many years would probably be my “all time” XV No2 . How do the more recent centres named below compare to a Laurie Stewart who played for Transvaal in the 50’s?

    Instead I’ll pick a side of players that I saw play at MHS in the 2000’s – I have tried to stick to one player per position – based on their performances as schoolboys.
    1) Pat Cilliers (Craven Week 2005, Sharks, Lions)
    2) Christaan Stander (Craven Week 2005)
    3) Louis Albertse (Craven Week 2007, Lions U19 & 21)
    4) Cameron Lindsay (Craven Week captain 2009, WP U19, Saracens)
    5) Frans Maartens (2003, OFS U19 & 21, Shimlas)
    6) Michael Rhodes (Craven Week 2005, Sharks, Lions)
    7) Ntsola Setlaba (Craven Week 2007, WP U19, UCT), Phelo Mofakeng (Craven Week 2006)
    8) Robbie Diack (Craven Week 2003, Stormers, Ulster)
    9) Ross Cronje (Craven Week 2007, SA Academy, SA U20, Sharks), James Gallo (Craven Week 2004)
    10) Guy Cronje (Craven Week 2007 Captain, Sharks)
    11) Ruan Combrinck (Craven Week 2008, WP U19 & 21, WP Vodacom Cup, Lions U21)
    12) Robert de Bruyn (Craven Week 2008, SA South XV, Lions U19 & 21), Murray de Bruyn (Craven Week 2007, Lions U19 & 21)
    13) David Edgar (Craven Week 2001, SA Schools, WP), Pat Howard (Craven Week 2009/10, SA U18, WP U19), Nick Jackson (2004, OFS U19-21, Sharks Vodacom cup)
    14) Mark Richards (Academy Week 2007, Sharks, SA 7’s)
    15) Pat Lambie ( Craven Week 2007/8 captain, SA Schools 2007/8, Sharks, Springbok)

  • Comment 142, posted at 15.11.11 10:12:18 by steve Reply

  • Couple of minor errors;
    1) Pat Cilliers was also Craven Week captain in 2005 making a total of 4 CW captains in the team.
    3) Louis Albertse played Craven Week in 2008 – not 2007 when he went to the Academy week.

  • Comment 143, posted at 15.11.11 10:38:13 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 142) : If you included any players from the 90s then I’d say Herkie Kruger (i think ’98) might be in with a chance of being included in your team

  • Comment 144, posted at 15.11.11 11:03:42 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 144) : Herkie was very good as a schoolboy so possibly – the Ross and Guy Cronje combo at school level in 2007 was hard to beat though.

  • Comment 145, posted at 15.11.11 11:14:49 by steve Reply

  • @Steve, very true it’s hard to compare generations. But certain names do stick out. Glad to see Michaelhouse get their first Bok in Lambie! I honestly thought it was going to be Diack. I’m sure a few more boks in the coming decade. Well done considering the small numbers there!

  • Comment 146, posted at 16.11.11 12:38:49 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 141) : Honoured to be in that team.

  • Comment 147, posted at 06.03.12 03:50:21 by Greg Manning Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 73) : Hey guys 1997 was not a dark year for the Green Machine.We beat Hilton,Kearsney,Westville and DHS twice.As far as I’m concerned it was the start of Glenwood rising to the top of School boy rugby in KZN.

  • Comment 148, posted at 06.03.12 04:05:21 by Greg Manning Reply


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