Liefling linked with Loftus return

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super Rugby on 21 Nov 2011 at 10:22
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Saracens flyhalf Derick Hougaard may be on his way back to Pretoria to link up with the Bulls for a second stint, a cording to an article on Sport24 this morning.

Crowd favourite “Liefling”, whose Naas Botha-esque style of pocket flyhalf flyhalf play was one of the cornerstones around which Heyneke Meyer built his champion team during the 2000s, left Pretoria to join Meyer at Leicester in 2008, moving on to Saracens the following season. At nearly 29 years of age, he feels he still has a shot at playing for the Boks again, hence his wish to return.

“I’m enjoying it at Saracens and appreciate everything being done there for me, but I don’t think it’s a secret that I want to come back to South Africa and try to play for the Springboks again,” Hougaard told Rapport. “I also can’t really see myself with any other South African team than the Bulls.”

The prolific goal-scorer, whose 2002 individual Currie Cup Final points record still stands (despite Elton Jantjies’s best efforts this year), is currently in rehabilitation after an Achilles operation and may well complete his convalescence in Pretoria, before turning out for the Bulls next year.


  • The bulls need a back up to Morne Steyn as soon as possible.
    Derick Hougaard will provide cover for morne.
    He has a kicking ratio close close to 85% i think :mrgreen:.

    It makes sense to sign him because Louis Fouche is talented but irratic and inconsistent with his groot boot.

    Lionel Cronje has been listed as a utility back.

    Meyer has identified lionel as similar type of player to frans steyn he will vover 12,15 and 10.

    Kirchner will cover outisde centre as well.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.11.11 10:32:21 by Muzi Reply
  • That means Tony Jantjies,Dunlop and Fouche will play vodacom cup rugby for Pine Penaar.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.11.11 10:34:27 by Muzi Reply
  • He has been playing for a long time for such a young guy 😉

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.11.11 10:36:35 by war1 Reply
  • At nearly 19 years of age? Don’t you mean 29?

    He still wants to play for the Boks? In his dreams.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.11.11 10:36:42 by Ben Reply
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  • Bulls starting 15 for the Super 15 may look like this:

    7.Jacques Potgieter

    17.Dawie Steyn
    19.CJ Stander

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.11.11 10:38:01 by Muzi Reply

  • Here we go again…..

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.11.11 10:39:09 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : yea, stand in line about 19 to 29 other guy’s ahead of you 😉

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.11.11 10:39:47 by Franshark Reply
  • @JarsonX (Comment 6) : 😆

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.11.11 10:40:19 by Franshark Reply
  • Pienaar’s Vodacom cup team:

    1.Morne Mellet
    3.Rossouw de klerk
    7.Jean Cook
    8.Arno Botha
    12.Adri Jacobs
    13.Ulrich Beyers

    17.Juan Schoeman
    18.Mostert/Van Heerden
    19.Wiaan Liebenberg
    20.Lohann Jacobs
    21.William Small Smith
    22.Tony Jantjies/Wesley Dunlop/

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.11.11 10:45:00 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 4) : There are two scenarios in which he MAY get time in the Springbok jersey:
    1. Morne Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Butch James, Peter Grant (and possibly Johan Goosen and Sias Ebersohn) are all out injured.
    2. Heyneke Meyer is appointed as Bok coach. Heyneke is pretty loyal to him as far as I understand. Purely speculation but who knows? Meyer is still my first choice for Bok coach though.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.11.11 10:45:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Maybe Steyn will become Hougaardt’s understudy again 😈

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.11.11 10:49:34 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Sharkies omg 😕 Heyneke Meyer has a 4 year bulls contract he WILL NOT become the bok coach full stop geez.

    As far as i’m concerned allister coetzee and rassie are the two leading candidates to be the next bok coach.

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.11.11 10:49:42 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 9) : you don’t rate Dewald Potgieter highly enough to get into even the Vodacom Cup side?

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.11.11 10:50:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Will be interesting to see if his play has changed at all after playing in Europe for a few years. From the odd game i watched him play he stood a lot flatter. Will be good for Steyn and Hougaard t push each other again. With Vermaak and F.Hougaard there will be a lot of play making from 9.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.11.11 10:58:18 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 12) : Mr. Zen master, we’re all well aware that you’re in tune with the Bulls universe but you need to relax dude.

    Contracts have clauses and are sometimes bought out too. Also keep in mind that both AC and Rassie turned down the job in public. I don’t think any of us are under any illusions that they’re not in the running though. I’m fairly confident SARU will at the very least (in private) test the waters with Meyer and the Bulls.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.11.11 11:12:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I hope Heineke gets the Bok job.

    Think of the positives for us!

    He`ll select all the bulls and leave the CC wide open for us hehehe
    Of course we have to get past the Lions first . .. 🙁

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.11.11 11:15:58 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 16) :

    so make Mitch bok coach , he selects all the Lions and you win the CC . problem solved 😛

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.11.11 11:26:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.11.11 12:24:02 by beet Reply
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  • If the Bulls are trying to reinvent themselves, Derick Hougaard is one of the last players they should think of signing.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.11.11 12:25:20 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 9) : WSS will be on 7s duty???

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.11.11 12:26:09 by beet Reply
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  • Thinking about Pdivvy’s tenure as coach over the last few years, I have started to formulate a theory. I think that the best thing for AC’s career, was that he wasn’t selected as Bok coach 4 years ago.

    With John Smit as captain, and the senior players running the Boks, there needed to be a very strong personality as bok coach, and unfortunately De Villiers wasn’t that man. I have the ultimate respect for John Smit, and everything he’s done as a player and a captain. He has united this country in a way that no other player could have. However, in hindsight, this world cup was a bridge too far, but as the senior players were making a lot of the calls, nothing was to be done. His role should have been restricted to a squad leader, and motivator. As well as the media liaison with the team. Senior players were protected from poor performances, after all, they were going to the world cup!

    I’m not confident that AC would have had the personality to stand up to the players either. As an assistant coach stepping up, I don’t think he would’ve had enough support and enough of a reputation to stop the senior players from taking over. Obviously this is all just conjecture, and I can in no way claim to know the workings of the Bok inner circle. However, comments from senior players over the years have hinted at such things.

    With our rugby history, the Currie Cup was our would cup in the years of isolation. This led to a strong sense of provincialism, that is only now in the era of professionalism, slowly ebbing away. Which is what made John such a good captain, in that he managed to bring the many different cultures into the Bok team. I believe that he led the way in this, and fortunately his successor should have an easier job with the slow breakdown of the provincial and cultural borders.

    Having said all that, we need a coach who can stand up to the senior players, a coach that will drop anybody if he feels their attitude or form doesn’t constitute that of a Springbok. We also need a Director of Rugby as a separate identity to that of the coach. He needs to bring the different styles together, and working with the coach, a specific game plan that suits our current strengths. (not our historic ones!)

    Looking at all the candidates, in my mind, there are only two possibilities. Rassie is not a coach, he doesn’t seem to have the people management skills, but he would make the ideal Director of Rugby, as he is tactically astute. Heyneke in my mind seems to only be able to get the best out of players that fit a specific mold. I may be way off the mark, but I feel that he coaches a certain way, and uses players that fit his plan, rather than setting up a game plan that would suit the best players he has.

    For the coach position, there is only one option. Mich already has had some success at international and provincial level, and I really think that he is the best option to take the Boks forward. He coaches a balanced game, he will have no historic or cultural bias, and he will shift the balance of power back from the players, to the coaching staff!

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.11.11 12:37:20 by Gaff Reply

  • @beet (Comment 18) : Dewald Potgieter is one of the few Bulls players I’d be genuinely interested in contracting. Not sure why, but I just like the guy

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.11.11 12:37:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    I’m not sure why either!

    If you were contracting a hairdresser, then maybe.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.11.11 12:50:16 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 21) :

    Good comment!

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.11.11 12:51:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    And where exactly would you play him in a Sharks setup?

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.11.11 12:52:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 5) :

    Spot on with the starting-XV. That will almost surely be the first-choice players right there.

    I think he’ll stick with Dewald Potgieter on the bench though ahead of CJ Stander. I don’t like it, but that’s my prediction.

    And not sure if they’ll throw that Dawie Steyn guy straight into Super rugby. Might well stick with Rossouw de Klerk who has had little opportunity but hasn’t done anything to be dropped.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.11.11 12:52:32 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 21) :

    Mitchell doesn’t understand the dynamics behind Springbok rugby.

    If we start playing Carlos Spencer type rugby at test level, we’re going to get a hiding.

    Thanks, but rather give me someone like Gert Smal or Nick Mallett. Allister Coetzee would work for me as well but not my first choice – and I think they’ve got a good thing going at the Stormers so should see it through.

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.11.11 12:55:03 by hendrikp Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : I agree, contract him right away! I followed his blog, so I know we could use him to write decent press-releases for the Sharks, and it would save him the embarrassment of pretending to be a rugby player.

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.11.11 12:55:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 24) : Maybe should’ve been a book!

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.11.11 12:55:36 by Gaff Reply

  • But too much competition at the moment with Victor, Pierre and Butch all releasing theirs. Think I’ll wait for Snor’s book before I release mine!

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.11.11 12:57:10 by Gaff Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : except getting p**sed by Chadwick in the scrums 🙂

    De Klerk is weak. They should send that kid to gym for a year.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.11.11 12:57:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) :

    Meh. Tony Woodcock got a hiding from Jannie du Plessis earlier this year as well. Doesn’t make him weak :mrgreen:

    I trust the Bulls wouldn’t be stupid enough to stick a guy into senior rugby who hasn’t met certain requirements when testing his strength. Could be down to sitting on the bench the entire season. Lacking match-fitness etc.

    Not saying he’s anything special, but it’s a bit premature to be casting him aside.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.11.11 13:00:41 by hendrikp Reply

  • I would personally like John Mitchell as coach, he seems very astute and doesnt like the whole individual, superstar stuff that can go with it. I think he would get the Boks superfit, and add variety to the game. But i dont see this happening

    My next 2 candidates would be Heyneke Meyer first then Rassie. I think Heyneke has a great deal of experience and the other thing i liked was back in 2007 he got Todd Louden to work the backline. To me that shows a coach that understands where something isnt going right, therefore get someone to help and aid that Department. Then i would go with Rassie after that.

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.11.11 13:03:15 by Pat Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) : That’s what makes him such a good option. We’ve been getting hidings for the last 4 years, playing conservative rugby. I’m not saying we go the complete opposite direction, but we need more balance. Mitchell won’t bow to internal or external pressures. He will coach his team and they will learn to play for each other. Unfortunately, not even the Sharks managed to do that this year, but the Lions did.

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.11.11 13:03:29 by Gaff Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 34) :

    You guys think far too much of him after one CC win.

    I guess I’m more used to seeing the bad side of John Mitchell, living in New Zealand and so forth.

    I don’t think it’ll be pretty if he were to get the job. He’s quick to force out senior players who can still add value. Doesn’t exactly get along, which sometimes you have to.

    2003 All Blacks were also the most talented All Blacks side that’s challenged for it in a heck of a long time, but poor strategy (letting Carlos choke by handing him the keys) cost them badly.

    Ask yourself this:
    Would you be wanting John Mitchell if they hadn’t won the CC?

    We don’t want to be playing John Mitchell type rugby. Balance, yes, but we can get that from any suitable coach. We had balance under Jake White. Mitchell isn’t the one to take us there.

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.11.11 13:12:03 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) :

    Mitchell also goes a bit hard on all-out attacking flyhalves.

    All Blacks – Carlos Spencer. Didn’t work out. Doesn’t work at test rugby.

    Western Force – Matt Giteau. His best position has always been 12. Didn’t quite work out. Never had the kicking game.

    Lions – Elton Jantjies. If you look at the statistics, he’s doing the same thing with Jantjies, in having him attack the line a lot. It’s worked somewhat yes, but the strategy hasn’t worked, and never will work at test level.

    John Mitchell had his chance. He’s an excellent manager, but a poor tactician. I wouldn’t even shortlist him.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.11.11 13:18:24 by hendrikp Reply

  • Anyway…

    The newcomers (who should get plenty of game-time) that I look forward to seeing at Super rugby level, that will undoubtedly have a big impact are:

    Juandre Kruger – Could be a Springbok in 2012? Unlikely to push out Andries Bekker from the starting line-up, but should be thereabouts if he plays as well as we think he can, right? :mrgreen:

    Johan Goosen – Another one with something to prove. WILL BE a star in the future. Will just need to see if he needs a year or so settling in period, or whether he will continue on from the Currie Cup.

    Johann Sadie – Unless he gets injured, he’ll be a Springbok in 2012. Of this one I’ve got almost no doubt. Would be an excellent pick-up for anybody playing fantasy rugby – if he comes cheaply of course.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.11.11 13:23:38 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 34) :

    yea it couldent get any worse really could it ….

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.11.11 13:25:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) :

    Trust me . ive been listening to a lot of people inside the Lions setup complain about him , what he says , how he does things .

    at the end of the day he took a Lions team who have not won anything in 12 years to a Currie cup title.

    BUT . i would prefer Mitch to not be the bok Coach . TBH if the Lions can win another few cups in the next few years under Mitch i wont be complaining one bit .

    He has a way of getting players motivated beyond believe and thats what the Lions needs

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.11.11 13:33:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 39) : the problem that Mitch will have in 2012 is keeping the “underdog” spirit going in the team when the guys now believe they are actually champions.

    Same thing that screwed the Sharks in 2011… it’s always very easy to motivate yourselves when everyone else is writing you off. Not so easy when you’re the CC champions with a target on your back.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.11.11 13:40:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yes i would still want it. Because it’s his style that I think the boks need badly. His discipline and man management skills are what we need.

    The 2003 World Cup was 8 years ago! He took the players he had, and gave it a shot. Carlos Spencer was a gifted player, and probably one of the stand out performers of the 2003 super 12 with the Blues. He was also discovered by Graham Henry and not Mitchell.

    Giteau wasn’t selected as a Wallaby flyhalf by Mitchell either, and at the Force he used what he had. If anything let Giteau down, it was his arrogance and attitude.

    Before Butch joined the Lions, what fyhalf options did they have?
    Look at the statistics, did Jantjies win MOM and end up as second top scored by stepping and throwing wild passes etc! No, he is a talented youngster who needed people to believe in him. Is he the next Bok flyhalf? Not yet, but to say that he’s a one trick pony when he’s barely 22 is harsh.

    Under Jake White we had a school teacher that used a rush defense and high kicks as his tactic. Balance was only achieved when he got some technical help from Rassie and Jones. Jake is still waiting for sons to “Fetch” his beer.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.11.11 13:42:36 by Gaff Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    Agreed . It will be a true test . I havent had this much hope for the lions in a while … hopefully we can pull it off . who knows .

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.11.11 13:46:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Gaff (Comment 41) :

    The fetching of the beer thing is getting old.

    Jake had a good point in that, before Brussow came along, we did not have a fetcher capable of playing at test level. Schalk Burger was also in his prime back then.

    2003 Super 12. My point exactly.

    Carlos Spencer, alongside Rupeni Caucaunibuca (who was a miracle worker) had one of the best season I’ve seen from any player in Super rugby. He was unstoppable.

    But that doesn’t work at test level where defenses didn’t allow him to run across field, try silly chip kicks etc. He was a flop. Throwing the intercept pass to Stirling Mortlock that knocked them out was the cherry on top.

    P.S. I thank god every day of my life that Rupeni Caucaunibuca couldn’t play for the All Blacks. If he could have, I’m convinced they would’ve won the last 3 World Cups. Best player I’ve seen on a rugby pitch. It’s just a shame about the attitude after he left the Blues/New Zealand (after being told he was ineligible due to playing 2 minutes of Sevens for Fiji).

    I doubt I’ll ever see anything like Rupeni again, ever.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.11.11 13:50:58 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : That was one of my favourite SR seasons ever – 2003. Graham Henry back in Auckland (as a forwards coach), Fitzpatrick managing and the birth of the term “King Carlos”. Not having league exposure, I don’t think I’d ever seen a banana kick before 2003. Mils was centre and to accomodate “ThowThow” or however it’s pronounced out wide, Doug Howlett played fullback. Rupeni was seriously quick. I remember how sad I was when he broke down in the 2002 season after he’d shown the week before that he was in a league of his own when it came to speed. Captain Xavier Rush also had the season of his life in 2003.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.11.11 14:15:52 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : Before Rupeni, a player that really impressed in SR was Joeli Vidiri.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.11.11 14:16:39 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : It is old, but only half as old as Carlos Spencer’s intercepted pass!

    Mitchell isn’t perfect, from the sounds of things he difficult to get along with. But he’s been coaching here for a season and a bit. He’s got international experiences, he’s made mistakes, but he’s still coaching and he’s getting the best out of his players.

    Who ever ends up being the next bok coach will, by the sounds of things, have been head hunted and chosen for his credentials as a coach. Hopefully we won’t have a coach who’s chosen for political reasons, or a coach who’s only coached u21 rugby.

    I believe in Mitchell, because he’ll rattle some cages, and because I believe that he could move us away from kicking the ball away, retaining possession and playing the kind of rugby that the law changes and tweaks allow. Obviously, you have to be able to win ugly.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.11.11 14:22:39 by Gaff Reply

  • @beet (Comment 44) :

    Yep that Auckland team was special. Would probably wipe the floor with any other side to have won it.

    @beet (Comment 45) :

    Yeah…. but, I don’t think he was any match for Rupeni. Even after heading for Agen, he kept scoring the most brilliant tries you’d expect to see over a few seasons by dozens of players combined by himself.

    They tolerated his disappearances every time he returned to Fiji, because end of the day he was a one-man team pretty much. Sign Rupeni, and you’d win more often then not.

    As talented as any other player to play rugby may have been, I don’t think anyone can ever match Rupeni in terms of his physical make-up that perfectly suited the game of rugby. And he combined that with a natural feel for the game.

    Best player ever to set foot on a rugby field in my opinion. It’s just a shame he couldn’t have played for the Springboks 😛 For him I’d have made an exception to the ‘South(ern) Africans only’ idea.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.11.11 14:23:24 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 46) :

    Thing is, where do you want to play rugby?

    It’s one thing being able to break the line. Being able to score tries from turn-over ball and so forth.

    But if we’re going to start playing attacking rugby inside our own half, well then I’m backing New Zealand to dominate for the next 4 years.

    Wales missed out on the WC final because of a red card, yes, but I couldn’t believe towards the end of the game when they were trying to play within their own half.

    Plain stupid. A well-placed up and under or a tactical kick – putting the ball into touch in the oppositions half – would’ve been a MUCH smarter idea.

    We played like that because we were able to force mistakes, and also had Matfield stealing lots of line-out ball.

    The problem was never the game plan. We played the smartest rugby. Only facet we need to improve on is breaking the line when we are deep in opposition territory, rather then keeping it close & sometimes getting a penalty.

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.11.11 14:30:34 by hendrikp Reply

  • 2003 was the I started watching rugby properly,started late though at the WC,so don’t have a clue what happened in S12 that year,didn’t pay much attention to other matches except for the Boks,still can’t forget how arrogant that Spencer was

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.11.11 14:31:11 by Ludz Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 48) :

    Oh, and our defense & ball retention.

    South African teams slip a hell of a lot tackles. We also have the best cover defense but we need to stop missing so many first-up.

    And we lose far too much ball when the opposition counter-ruck. Need to go back to the basics in terms of having players standing-over and locking onto the player who took the ball into the ruck more effectively. Then we won’t need to throw in too many players into the ruck either. Poor technique at rucks (on our own ball) is a problem

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.11.11 14:33:45 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 47) : Joeli was a try scoring machine. He played opposite Jono and easily outplayed him. 43 tries in 61 matches in SR

    In Rupeni’s best season – 2003, I’m pretty sure a 19 year old Rokocoko outscored him.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.11.11 14:35:47 by beet Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 49) :

    Here’s a rundown…

    Carlos Spencer made every game he played in look like a game of Sevens.

    Rupeni Caucau did what you’d expect from Brent Russell, or Bryan Habana in his prime, but he did it every time he touched the ball. Absolute freak.

    They practically scored tries at will.

    And the Blues went 10 – 1 (losing only to the Highlanders in the rain. From memory the scoreline was something like 26 – 22) in the Pool Stages before easily winning the semi and final.

    The best side in Super Rugby history were the 03 Blues.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.11.11 14:37:52 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) :


    2003 was the only season Rupeni really played Super rugby. Only played a few minutes in 2002.

    He was injured for almost half the 03 season as well, but finished with 8 tries.

    The leader was Doug Howlett with 12 tries (playing as a fullback).

    Rokocoko only had 6. Nobody even cared about him until he made the All Blacks. Before that everyone had their eyes on Rupeni :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.11.11 14:41:10 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 52) : no team has ever scared me like the Blues teams of 1997 and 1998. Even tho they lost the final in 98, they were still ‘Awesome Auckland’ that year

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.11.11 14:41:54 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 54) : I think the Crusaders have also had an unbeaten season.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.11.11 14:42:40 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 48) : And we lost because we Schalk lost the ball in contact in our 22, and they scored a try.

    Every plan has it’s weakness, but Wales lost because they had no penetration on attack, they fell to the ground almost before they got tackled. World Cups are always going to be tight contests. New Zealand didn’t win by kicking the ball away.

    Our record over the last two years speaks for itself, we have won 2 from 11 against Aus and NZ. That says it all

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.11.11 14:43:42 by Gaff Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 56) :

    Don’t start with that!

    Schalk didn’t lose the ball in contact either. He took the ball into the ruck, where THE TEAM didn’t recycle the ball effectively.

    Could even say Pocock came in from the side!

    But had nothing to do with Schalk ‘losing the ball’.

    Also not sure what the 2 from 11 has to do with wanting to bring Mitchell in. It’s irrelevant.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.11.11 14:49:27 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 53) : Joe was hot property in 2003. The NZ commentators backed him to make ABs that year almost from the start of the season. He did and he did unbelievably well. If anything Rupeni became the forgotten man.

    I was devastated when Rupeni moved on. I thought he was great. I think it was the season opening game vs NSW when he burned them twice with his amazing unmatchable pace that set the tone for the SR season.

    But I’m saying Vidiri deserves his dues as well. He was Hall of Superugby Fame player.

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.11.11 14:50:19 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : The point is, you don’t need to run the ball from your half to lose a game!

    My whole point is that the senior players have been running the Boks, and in so doing they protected their interests regardless of form. I feel that a strong character needs to be the next coach to ensure that senior players don’t get a free ride (Read Spies) and with a director of rugby, more communication and alliance with provincial systems to have a balanced game plan.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.11.11 14:53:56 by Gaff Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 56) :

    Also, 2011 we selected a team that was never going to do anything except embarrass themselves for the Australasian Tri Nations trip. If you were trying to make any point, I’d call those games irrelevant.

    We didn’t have nearly as poor a 2011 as some make out. Actually had an excellent team that got tripped up by some poor refereeing in a game they dominated.

    And yes, we were poor in 2010 without some key players, but so were the All Blacks in 2009, where we went 3 – 0 against them.

    We don’t need John Mitchell. The guy’s an idiot, take it from me. I’m glad to see the Lions doing well, but heck no.

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.11.11 14:55:27 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Gaff (Comment 59) :

    Don’t need Mitchell to come in and play Hitler.

    End of the day I’m confident SARU will do the right thing. They’ll listen to the right people as to who they should appoint.

    And it won’t be Mitchell! Let him stay at the Lions where he won’t mess anything up. Where anything beyond the wooden spoon is a great finish.

    But handing him the Springbok coaching role would be a disaster.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.11.11 15:00:07 by hendrikp Reply

  • @beet (Comment 58) :

    No no beet. I’m almost thinking I should burn the 03 Highlights onto a CD for you!

    I remember on Reunion them saying that Joe had almost been ‘behind the scenes’ because of all the attention Rupeni was getting.

    He may have been tipped for the All Blacks, but had nothing on Rupeni.

    Rupeni then left because he wasn’t eligible to play for the All Blacks (went to the papers as well expressing his disappointment), so took up the BIG money in France. Then Joe played well for the All Blacks (more then a try a game for the first 20 games or so) and the rest is history!

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.11.11 15:04:32 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 61) :

    maybe Mitch should go and coach the stormers then ?

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.11.11 15:16:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) :
    I have to believe you about how things went down in NZ but to the best of my knowledge I’m sure Rocketman didn’t even play NPC before he played SR and the commentators like Nisbitt, Mexted and my fav back then Drakie, hinted that Joe was AB material almost from the start of the season and he was impressive in his breakthru season but then again so were so many other guys like Braid and Nacewa.

    I vaguely remember talk about Rupeni’s eligibility as well and the hopes that he might play for the ABs.

    I’ll never put Caucua down. He was an amazing player. I know he did something special in 2002 as well. I can’t remember what but I remember going to touch rugby and carrying on about him. I then had to wait a season to see him play again.

    Joeli was in that category. Maybe not as quick but still a big strong quick player who loved the tryline. I remember he could throw a big punch as well.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.11.11 15:21:33 by beet Reply
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  • The reason we lost against Australia in the WC was a combination of piss poor refereing, Pocock adapting to the ref and trying to run at everything

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.11.11 16:24:48 by Mutley Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 63) :

    Or not.

    Can’t argue with 7 from 8 versus SA sides, and finishing second on the table twice in two years. Probably should’ve been first if not for the Reds playing in the easy conference.

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.11.11 16:43:03 by hendrikp Reply

  • Hougaard is leaving Sarries because his position has been taken over by Owen Farrell.

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.11.11 17:24:24 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 65) : The reason we lost was due to piss poor coaching, selections and game plan. You are kidding yourself if you think we going to win.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.11.11 17:25:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Gaff:comment41: good points.

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.11.11 23:22:46 by bergshark Reply

  • @beet: comment64: joeli vidiri was a dirty player..!! (Evil) talented winger,though,no arguing that fact.but what he did to cabous in ’97 (evil).
    Dunno about a big fist_ saw a game vs bulls in auckland where he was also using the shoulder a bit and late at that.wium basson (deceased now) came on the field and tackled vidiri ( slingergooi) a tad late perhaps- vidiri didn’t seem to keen to get involved with basson ( maybe vidiri can only throw a big punch from the the recipient’s blind side,I don’t know..)

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.11.11 23:28:23 by bergshark Reply

  • @beet: do you remember eroni clarke ( 96-98) blues team centre? That was a potent combo of outside centre and wing,be it either vidiri or lomu on his outside.(Toured sa in ’92 ).

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.11.11 23:33:10 by bergshark Reply

  • remember marika vunibaka in that same period also?

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.11.11 11:02:55 by bergshark Reply

  • Caucanibuca(sic) ,lomu, vunibaka.

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.11.11 11:04:32 by bergshark Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Not sure that I agree – I think that “self belief” trumps the “underdog spirit” any day. IMO that is what has been lacking at the Lions prior to Mitchell.
    Time will tell whether they can build on the Currie Cup performance but they will take a lot out of the way they played and in particular the Semi and final.
    As important to sustainability is the work that is happening in the support structures;
    – played in “final” at Craven week
    – won U19 CC
    – Lost semi to winnere (Bulls) in U21 CC
    – UJ topped log in VC (lost home semi)
    – UJ – lost in final of Club Champs to Pukke (who also play in jhb club comp)
    – topped North section of Vodacom Cup

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.11.11 08:55:18 by steve Reply


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