Schoolboy flyhalf training with Stormers

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby on 29 Nov 2011 at 07:31
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News from the Stormers camp is that 18-year-old SA Schools flyhalf Timothy Swiel has been included in their provisional Super Rugby training squad.

Swiel, a pupil of Bishops, looks set to increase the depth available to Stormers coach Alister Coetzee, who struggled during last year’s Super Rugby competition due to an unprecedented flyhalf injury list. First-choice Peter Grant will only return from Japan a good way into the season, with understudies Demetri Catrikilis, Kurt Coleman and Gary van Aswegen all still quite young themselves. While Swiel has probably been included at this stage more so the coaches can have a look at him than because he is seriously part of the plans, he may well be closer to playing than many realise.

As reported a few days back, out-of-contract Lions pivot Burton Francis is also training with the Stormers and may be offered a deal there if he impresses the coaching staff.


  • Some people may think he is very young but with the conditioning of school boys these days the gap between school boy rugby and seniors is getting closer and closer, in terms of players conditioning. Also i am a big fan of giving an identified youngster or 2 the chance to see what its like playing with the big boys to show them the level they need to be at if they want to play there. So yes he may not even be around come January…but this experience is very beneficial!

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.11.11 07:54:18 by SheldonK Reply
  • Glad to see them looking to the youngsters. He shared the 10 WP Craven Week jersey with Handre Pollard so expect the same thing next year.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.11.11 08:05:01 by PaarlBok Reply
  • Having all the experience in the world outside him should help him as well. Playing next to guys like Jean and Jaque should give the young guys a lot of confidence . . .

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.11.11 08:40:26 by Original Pierre Reply
    Original Pierre
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 2) : How’s Heinrich Steyl recovering he had a horrible injury.

    He was the next big thing after sadie for WP under 21s lightning quick.

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.11.11 08:44:26 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 4) : Havent heard of him since but I cant see him recovering soon after that break. I’ll play cricket with big Stokkies on saturday vs our laaities and last understand Klein Stokkies is at Griekwas. Will ask him on the weekend.

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.11.11 08:47:13 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 4) : He broke his leg against the Sharks quite badly so cant see him being back before next years CC hey. And to be honest he looked out of his depth in that game but it is maybe harsh to judge as he wasnt on long…first off for blood after 2min and then the broken leg.

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.11.11 08:48:32 by SheldonK Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 5) : You know stokkies hanekom and sadie were brilliant last year the bulls under 21 centres had no answer to sadie and stokkies.

    Even marnitz bshoff said those two were destined for higher honours.

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.11.11 08:50:13 by Muzi Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : I think you are abit harsh on young steyl he was the talk of the town this year.

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.11.11 08:52:22 by Muzi Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 5) : Geez how blitz is coenie van wyk for the pumas side i thought Slaptjips would give him acall after all he was teammates with dippeis and houggie in the wp under 19 side in 2007.

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.11.11 08:54:16 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Ja Klein Stokkies broke the Ikeys in this years Varsity Cup at Groote Schuur. He had real bad luck with injuries all year. he and Johann were roomies at Stellenbosch.

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.11.11 08:54:41 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 10) : Visser,De klerk,sadie,poolman know each other very well all come from paarl gim if i am not mistaken they played with koster in the wp craven week side in 2008 against the erbershon brothers.

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.11.11 08:57:04 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 9) : SlapsTjips = Gimmie, Coenie = Paul Roser.

    Whats your thoughts on Vissie? Cant believe WP let him slipped.

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.11.11 08:57:20 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 12) : I was over the moon when Heyneke bought vissie for the tukkies side i could not believe my eyes :mrgreen:

    I would play him at full back before zane kirchner.

    But my favourite junior full back at the bulls is the former wp under 19 player Ulrich Beyers one word to describe him free flowing. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.11.11 09:00:51 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 4) : He will be out for at least a year.
    I can still see the look on that kids face.

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.11.11 09:01:08 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 14) : It was horrible because he was a star for the under 21s when i watched him he reminded me abit of Christiian Cullen he had the rear ability to break a line very instictive.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.11.11 09:04:53 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 11) : I know Rossouws parents well. He look like taking a step backwards at the Brutes. Must be that early age married life? Poolman aint a Gimmie. Paarl Gym had one of their best teams in their 150th year back in 2008.
    WP Craven Week that played against the Tin Ears
    WP U18

    15 William Du Randt (Bishops)
    14 Tythan Adams (Paul Roos)
    13 Jaco Olivier (Boland Landbou)
    12 Louis Jordaan (Paarl Gym)
    11 JR Esterhuizen (Paarl Gym)
    10 JH Potgieter (Paarl Gym)
    9 Louis Schreuder (Paarl Gym)
    8 Reuben Johannes (Paul Roos)
    7 Nizaam Carr (Bishops)
    6 Helmut Lehmann (Paarl Gym)
    5 Reniel Hugo (Paul Roos)
    4 William Clift (Paarl Boys? High)
    3 Marcel van der Merwe (Paarl Boys? High)
    2 JC Julyan (Paarl Gym)
    1 Ruan Smith (Paarl Gym)
    16 Gary Topkin (Rondebosch)
    17 Frans Malherbe (Paarl Boys? High)
    18 Johan Schoonbie (Paarl Gym)
    19 Jacquin Rogers (Paarl Gym)
    20 Rick Schroeder (Paul Roos)
    21 Dylan Petersen (Paul Roos)
    22 Logan Solomons (Scottsdene)

    Rossouw de Klerk, Vissie, Dewaldt played the year before.

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.11.11 09:05:06 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 16) : Yea i saw de klerk has a little baby :mrgreen:

    Maybe he wanted to settle down quickly then fully concentrate on his scrummaging because its a concern for me. πŸ˜•

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.11.11 09:09:55 by Muzi Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 16) : You have to admit boys high produce monster props frans malherbe is a massive kid.

    And Marcel van der Merwe 😯 enough said.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.11.11 09:11:15 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 15) : And then factor in the excitement of making your debut for the senior team only to have a career damaging injury.

    At 19 yrs old does he have the screws to come back from something like that.Conrad Jantjes took forever to get his confidence back and confidence is something he was never short of.

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.11.11 09:13:56 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 19) : i fear steyl will never be the same player πŸ™
    At the bulls the same thing happened to Frik Kirsten he was seen as the next big thing at prop but then he badly injured his neck during scrumming in the senior side.

    Now he looks like an averge prop

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.11.11 09:17:12 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 18) : Yep Boishaai and Gym push each other for many a year. We share a great amount of respect coming from an early age. We share the Interschools and it wont happen without the two schools.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.11.11 09:20:32 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 19) : Wp must be very carefull with Tim Swiel he is another one that needs to be monitored.

    He is not that big.

    Pollard is a groot boytjie.

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.11.11 09:20:51 by Muzi Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 21) : What do you think of Du Toit Genis have not watched him enough to judge him is he better than de klerk.

    Also stefan willemse at lock.

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.11.11 09:22:41 by Muzi Reply

  • Hope Helmut Lehman will get a WP contract? He has always been a great 6 flanker.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.11.11 09:23:27 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 23) : Dunno Genis but know Rossouw has been Bok captain quality from schoolboy days. Have leadership qualities and hope the Brutes havent damaged that. Still early days for a fatty but he sure was disappointing in the games I saw him played this year. I do rate Ginga Kitshoff tho. That kid is huge and strong, expect him and Malherbe to step up in 2012.

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.11.11 09:26:14 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 8) : Well like i said i was just judging him on his few min on the Kings Park field. Also after a bad break like that its hard for guys to regain the pace they once had unless they really work hard at rehab…just think of a guy like Conrad Janjies

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.11.11 09:28:07 by SheldonK Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 25) : Ginger is strong and not lazy and not fat πŸ™‚ he has skills is it true that his family are bulls supporters πŸ˜‰

    Malherbe rattled CJ van der linde this year.

    Yea De Klerk disappointed alot bulls supporters because when he burst on the scene he looked by far the best young prop when he made his senior debut just 20 yeas old.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.11.11 09:31:37 by Muzi Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : True but he can not turn out worse on attack like Zane Kirchner that dude makes me mal. πŸ˜•

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.11.11 09:32:49 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 27) : Ginga was schooled at Hendrik Louw Prymary at Strand and Paul Roos High School. You’ll find plenty of Brutes supporters in the Boland area. They’ll probably out number the All Black supporters in Paarl. Its a culture thing around here.

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.11.11 09:46:34 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 28) : Look i dont think Zane Kirchner is amazing but at Griquas he was a very strong runner and i just think that like Ludik when he moved to Bulls and Ludik to Sharks they seemed to adopt a safety first approach which meant lots of up and unders.

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.11.11 09:58:36 by SheldonK Reply

  • What happened to Dillon Leyds? Sorry if I got the spelling wrong. Everyone was saying he was the next big thing at flyhalf for the Stormers…

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.11.11 10:32:51 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 31) : Gary Van Aswegan was the next big thing at 10, is he over the hill now? Same with Catrakilis…im sure WP fans were getting into a spin after a few games from him. Peter Grant is only 27! The school boys can wait i think…there are “youngsters” that are there with a lot more experience. (im just using WP as an example here but same goes with Sharks,Bulls etc)

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.11.11 10:43:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : I dont think we should jump to conclusions. He is just invited to train with the Stormers group, not being picked in the squad. Kitshoff have been there last year but he did so well and has been included with special permission.

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.11.11 10:45:52 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 33) : Yeh i know the school boy is just there to have a look and learn. I was just using it as an example of people always saying this guy or that guy is the next best thing and they should look at him…well what about the guys that were the next big thing last year or 2 years ago? Just seems that as soon as a guy turns 21 in this country we now have to look for someone younger to take over.

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.11.11 11:01:53 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) :

    Not sure if Gary was ever considered the ‘next big thing’. Only the next in line with potential. But Gary has also been included, so it’s not like they’re discarding him.

    Catrakilis on the other hand I doubt will ever be a long-term option for WP/Stormers.

    I really like that they’ve included him in the training squad. Show him what it’s like… get him settled in, and maybe by the time the CC comes around we’ll have ourselves a star flyhalf of our own – or one for ‘the future’.

    Up till now every other SA team has a young guy who can be considered to have a heck of a lot of potential.

    – Bulls have Lionel Cronje (who can still be damn good if he gets his head right).
    – Cheetahs have Johan Goosen & Sias Ebersohn.
    – Lions have Elton Jantjies.
    – Sharks have Patrick Lambie.
    – Stormers… Timo Swiel?

    Besides, why can Australia bring guys into their teams while still at school (Beale, O’Connor, Pocock etc.), but when a SA side does it, they are criticized?

    Well done AC on knowing what you want in that 10 jersey, and looking for it.

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.11.11 11:35:56 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) :

    And Swiel has finished school… not the case with some of those Australian players… Quade Cooper was brought in as an 18-year old as well if I remember correctly.

    David Pocock was about to make his Super rugby debut at the age of 17 before SANZAR stepped in.

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.11.11 11:38:18 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 31) : if I was Dawie Theron one of the experiments I’d be looking to conduct at a training camp is Leyds at fullback. He has a wonderful appreciation for finding ways to get in behind the D and playing general attacking rugby. At 15 he might just have the room to become a Kurtley Beale type player. I think his physique makes him stand out as a potential weakness on D and I’m not sure if his kicking out of hand is of a high enough standard to merit fast tracking.

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.11.11 11:46:11 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 36) :

    Also, Swiel looks pretty big for a flyhalf so conditioning shouldn’t be too much of a problem. I’d have thought Leyds would get a shot, but can’t blame them for being hesitant with someone under 1.8m & lighter then Gio Aplon.

    Interesting note from Stormers website:
    “The youngsters continue to push hard with the Kitshoff’s posting very respectable 180kg bench presses”

    A good start for any WP prop I’d say! Hopefully having Carstens around will be the perfect remedy to turn him into the stand-out WP need at prop.

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.11.11 11:46:53 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 38) : I dont think we should get too carried away with gym tests as they dont always relate to rugby ability. I bet there quite a few young props that can bench press more than Castrogiovani…but i know who id rather back on the field!

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.11.11 11:54:42 by SheldonK Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 38) : becnh press is not the most important exercise from a functionality point of view, so I dont see why people throw it out there so often.Would love to see what he deadlifts and squats…

    @SheldonK (Comment 39) : Important for a prop to have good strength .

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.11.11 12:00:23 by Talent Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) : Dont lie many WhiPing boys claimed he was πŸ™„

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.11.11 12:01:44 by Talent Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) :

    😐 Exactly why I say ‘a good start’.

    Benching 180 is a positive!!!! Yes it’s not everything but I’d be crying myself to sleep tonight if he were benching 120.

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.11.11 12:02:04 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 41) :

    Like who?

    The way I remember it was Lionel Cronje being the ‘next big thing’, and then a lot of groans when Gary van Aswegen was picked ahead of him.

    If you’re talking about one or two jokers on Keo, then you haven’t got a fair representation have you?

    Whipping boys? Do I need to pull out some stats now do I? πŸ˜† When the Sharks manage to beat a full strength Stormers side, then we can talk.

    I’m sure Gary van Aswegen still has as good a chance as before of getting the flyhalf jersey at the Stormers by the way. Just questioning how much of a ‘star’ you claim WP supporters made him out to be.

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.11.11 12:06:13 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : Nah I remember you saying GVA was the best option at wp becuase I agreed ,you didnt rave about him . Please WheePing boys think all their players are going to be boks- cant explain to you how many times I read about Sadie,JJE ,that over rated lock(even some saying he should replace juan smith at flank πŸ˜† ) and now this young prop -herbst and chadwick years ahead of him -compare him to any number of the cheetahs props or even bulls props …yet we here so much about him aha

    No need for stats ,the fact is there is no silver or gold in those mountains bud …youve looked for the best of a decade πŸ˜‰ .

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.11.11 12:12:44 by Talent Reply
  • When the Sharks manage to beat a full strength Stormers side, then we can talk. πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† yas full of it just remember the same tune two years ago ,you guys just dont change your tone !Two years of semi competitive super rugby seasons ,lets look back at the last 10 hmmm

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.11.11 12:18:43 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 44) :

    There are a few who take it a bit far, yes.

    I’ve also read stuff saying Elstadt should replace Smith. I’d hardly call him overrated though (unless you take those peoples opinions seriously)! Had a hell of a good SR tournament. 14 line-out steals for a former flanker & forgot about the flashy stuff, being huge on the defensive side of the ball! If he has another season like in 2011, he can’t be far off Springbok selection – partly due to our lack of quality 4 locks.

    Calling Herbst & Chadwick years ahead of Kitshoff is biased as well bud. Kitshoff has impressed while playing, same as those two.

    Province will get there. It’s only a matter of time :mrgreen: I’m thinking 2013 Currie Cup they’ll have hit their stride, but hey it could be next year.

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.11.11 12:19:58 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 46) : haha okay well sharks young props aside there are many young props who will grind him into the dirt at this point in time .

    No im sorry not any time soon for elstadt ,give him 2 or 3 seasons of full flight rugby .He isnt a bad player at all but he is hardly in the same l πŸ˜† league as bakkies/rossouw or flip in terms of enforcers …infact he is behind mostert and sykes(should they decide to pursuit their bok ambitions )

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.11.11 12:28:22 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 45) :

    2002 – 2011 Super Rugby between Stormers & Sharks:
    – 2002: Stormers win 25 – 18.
    – 2003: Stormers win 40 – 18.
    – 2004: Stormers in 31 – 24.
    – 2005: Stormers win 26 – 12.
    – 2006: Sharks win 24 – 17.
    – 2007: Sharks win 36 – 10.
    – 2008: Sharks win 12 – 10.
    – 2009: Sharks win 20 – 15.
    – 2010: Sharks win 20 – 14.
    – 2011: Stormers win 32 – 12. Stormers win 16 – 6.

    Pretty even, with the Sharks having a good 5-year run (starting with the arrival of Puke in Cape Town).

    Stormers still win 6 to 5 though :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.11.11 12:34:41 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 47) :

    Would grind him into the dirt? And you know that how?

    You seem intent on seeing any WP prop as a complete failure. As if there’s just something in the water that makes WP props weak. Nothing to do with his performance, otherwise you’d give him a chance.

    – Bakkies & Danie are done. No more Bok caps there.
    – I’d agree he’s behind Flip, but if Flip has another season like 2011, he’ll have a hard time staying ahead.
    – I’d also agree that he’s behind Mostert, but with Mostert going overseas he won’t be playing for the Springboks, that’s almost guaranteed.

    So you’re left with Flip van der Merwe & Rynhardt Elstadt.

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.11.11 12:37:44 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 48) : sorry doesnt change my opinion that youre all a bunch of pretentious little princesses 😈 -with out any trophies

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.11.11 12:41:24 by Talent Reply
  • . As if there’s just something in the water that makes WP props weak; you said it yourself πŸ™‚ πŸ˜†

    Bakkies says hell answer a call up ,so we may see him still.Flip is underated and we should look at his performances with the bulls performances.

    Look if he is a good prop so be it ,im not bias . What I am saying is that the wp love blowing their own trumpets ,when often all they are blowing are flutes.

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.11.11 12:45:18 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 50) :

    About as bare as the Sharks trophy cupboard right now isn’t it?

    If we were to go back in history, I’m sure we’d find WP way ahead of the Sharks… just in case you’d like to go that route :mrgreen:

    Long as everybody gets a fair shot at Springbok honours – what union you play for doesn’t come into the equation – I’ll be happy.

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.11.11 12:45:40 by hendrikp Reply

  • any way cheers princess got to go to gym haha have a good day yall

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.11.11 12:45:56 by Talent Reply

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