How do we turn 6 into 5?

Written by sheldon klingbiel (SheldonK)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Super Rugby on 30 Nov 2011 at 10:05
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In 2013 the South African Rugby Union will have to haul out their calculators and try to remember their high school mathematics rules as they try and turn 6 into 5!

If that sounds confusing then you are reading it right as in 2013 the Super Rugby competition will somehow have to accommodate the EP Kings. The SANZAR agreement has allocated South Africa 5 spots in the competition and those 5 spots are currently held by the Stormers, Bulls, Sharks, Lions and Cheetahs.

Some people think the solution is simple and that the side that finishes last in 2012 should be relegated and replaced by the EP Kings. Well that’s not so simple. It’s all well and good to say relegate the team finishing last, but relegate to where? The Vodacom Cup? Well the Stormers,Bulls,Sharks,Cheetahs and Lions all have teams in that competition already. What happens to those teams? Do they now get 2 sides in that competition? And then what about the huge sponsors and players contracted to the team that finishes last?

The only quite popular idea is to merge 2 of the sides in order to accommodate the EP Kings. Now surely the EP Kings will want their own team having been pushing for inclusion for so long so it will be 2 of the existing sides to merge.

The Lions and Cheetahs tried to merge a few years ago, and it was a logistical nightmare and why it was tried in the first place is a mystery as the 2 teams are miles apart. The coastal teams Stormers and Sharks are too far from anyone to merge. The same applies to the Cheetahs in the middle of the country.

BUT…yes there is a ‘but’ and although it may not be a popular one it surely does make the most sense!
We have a situation where 2 of the teams in the Super Rugby competition are a mere hour apart! Yes 1 hour, although I have heard that the Gautrain can do marvelous things. The Blue and Red sides of the Jukskei have never been on friendly terms but in 2013 they may just need to put on their big girl panties and deal with it as it makes the most sense to merge the Lions and Bulls into a single team in order to accommodate the EP Kings.
It is the only plausible solution and whilst there may be a few boardroom arguments over sponsors and which is the home stadium, the fact is that the merger of the Bulls and Lions is the only real feasible solution.

It would create a seriously strong team so I am sure that the other SA sides may be against it and the New Zealanders and Australians will definitely not be too thrilled about it. BUT for the sake of SA rugby surely SARU need to put down the calculators and put on their logic hats, if even just this once, and make the sensible decision about how to turn 6 into 5.


  • Good idea but it will never happen I’m afraid.

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.11.11 10:11:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Kings will get shafted …..Or competetion will be enlarged.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.11.11 10:19:22 by grant10 Reply

  • maybe when the Lions declare bankruptcy next year it will be easier to swing…

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.11.11 10:25:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Kings could’nt even beat Boland if they do get into the Super 15 they will be whipping boys for like 5 years oh so. 🙂

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.11.11 10:25:34 by Muzi Reply

  • Merge the Lions and Bulls no thanks in your dreams.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.11.11 10:30:35 by Muzi Reply

  • How do we turn 6 into 5?

    We subtract 1 :mrgreen:
    Ok, now I’ll go read the post.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.11.11 10:30:39 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Boland have all the reason to be in front of EP if they want to promote another province. Not only is Boland better in rugby but they are the province who is the perfect example of what needs to be done to get transformation going the right route in SA. Rugby is strong in most schools throughout Boland from primary to high and with a lot of head aches our clubs (Boland have tyhe most cklubs in SA) is fully transformated. I have no idea why the Kings have to get this special treatment?

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.11.11 10:32:26 by PaarlBok Reply

  • What about merging the EP Kings and The Sharks seeing that half the sharks union is packed with former EP players. 🙂

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.11.11 10:32:48 by Muzi Reply

  • Why cant EP and Border go with the Sharks like Boland is with WP?

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.11.11 10:33:54 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 7) : Amen to that Sir lets be honest the EP Kings is a retirement village. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.11.11 10:34:14 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 8) : Sorry you read my mind.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.11.11 10:34:22 by PaarlBok Reply

  • Merging the Bulls and Lions into 1 will make my year 😈

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.11.11 10:34:37 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 9) : But is’nt boland blue bulls country the scouts practically live there.

    Lets not forget the massive fan base like you said its a culture thing down there. 😉

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.11.11 10:36:10 by Muzi Reply

  • Reckon the Bulls and Lions mix ! 😆

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.11.11 10:41:47 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 14) : well they are the only province in SA with 2 sides! They want to live in Guateng then they should play as Gauteng. 🙂

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.11.11 10:43:15 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : agreed 100% although bulls are my 2nd side 😯 😯 well they used to be. What about GWK??

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.11.11 10:47:38 by Talent Reply
  • Why not give South Africa another team? And make it the Super 16, get rid of the pool system and just go back to playing each other once again? After all we have the biggest playing pool and i think the other two teams, Aus and NZ, could keep us in by doing that!
    Im not a huge fan of having the Kings in until they are good enough and clearly at the moment they are not.

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.11.11 10:51:00 by Pat Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 7) :

    Jan, I don’t think SANZAR would ever allow a team to make Boland Stadium their home! Capacity 3,500! They would need a reasonably modern stadium to even get a look in, and even then EP has more potential in terms of revenue.

    I think we all know what is going to happen. EP Kings will be disappointed again, and Cheeky will come out firing.

    Ideally they will be put in the Heineken Cup or Celtic League.

    If somehow the Kings make it to the S15 though, I think they should again merge the Lions & Cheetahs. Not ideal, but it’s the best of some very bad options they could take. At least until they can negotiate for another spot.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.11.11 10:51:14 by hendrikp Reply

  • The Bulls and Sharks and Stormers are the teams holding their own in the comp, neither the lions or VS has made any good impact so they should merge if its necessary, but comon, the EP kings should proof them self s first, they not even worthy of playing CC yet…

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.11.11 10:53:07 by Franshark Reply
  • @Pat (Comment 17) :

    Only way the Kings will be good enough is if they are given CC Premier Division status.

    That or they’ll have to bide their time until they can win the damn thing, which means everyone else suffering just to be able to justify it!

    I reckon have the Bulls, Cheetahs, Kings, Lions, Sharks & WP as the Premier Division sides. End of. Then they can attract the players necessary to be competitive.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.11.11 10:53:46 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) : No such thing as a free lunch im afraid. if they want a spot they have to earn it. Boland klapped them and the Leopards and Pumas probably would too. But they have apparently been guaranteed a spot so something has to give

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.11.11 10:57:17 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : Brilliant article. I made the same comment on Sports24 the other day. It makes the most sense from a logistical point of view IF two teams have to merge. Having said that, I still think The Kings have to earn the right to replace one of the other teams. They will be humiliated come 2013 based on current form. All of the Super Teams playing against them next year for warm-ups should field their best teams and annihilate them, just to prove a point.

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.11.11 11:03:50 by StevieS Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) : Boland will use the CT Stadium Boet, thats the only rugby they’ll get.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.11.11 11:25:33 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 17) : Wont happen. The conferense system is the Aussie lifeline in rugby. It will have to be S18 next, one team per conferense. See the Argies is back in our Vodacom competition. They need to join in aswell.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.11.11 11:28:22 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 24) : The argies thrashed the bulls in the final 👿 those pampas boys were massive.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.11.11 11:30:01 by Muzi Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    i recon the mil we got from winning the watered down currie cup might help a bit …

    @Muzi (Comment 5) : AGREED !!! rather do some other unspeakable things to me but not that !!! 😯

    Hopefully the Lions can prove themselves this super rugby season …

    here to hoping !! CHEERS

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.11.11 11:31:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) :

    Like the Sharks earned their CC spot?

    They need help. For the good of the game.

    @PaarlBok (Comment 23) :

    That would defeat the purpose of having a Boland team then! :mrgreen: Don’t think that would go down well with WP either.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.11.11 11:36:25 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) : Boland dont have S15 ambitions Boet its Cheeky Watson and his kots ambitions.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.11.11 11:37:54 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) : By the way I had this dream before the Soccer WC, was hoping they’ll rather upgrade Faure Stadium in Paarl then that white elephant they have in CT. At least we fill Faurestreet at Interschools.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.11.11 11:39:27 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) : I honestly do not see how giving the EP Kings a CC Prem spot would be for the good of the game? Its not like they using players from the EC schools, they have an academy apparently but no u19 or u21 side in the CC. Let PDV coach them and start by putting their juniors sides in the CC and then the senior side after a couple years but dont just put them in with their retired Bulls,Free State and Sharks players.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.11.11 11:50:14 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Their U21 top the B log
    Division B
    Eastern Province 6 6 28
    Border 6 5 23
    Griquas 6 4 20
    Pumas 6 2 15
    Boland 6 2 11
    Griffons 6 1 10
    SWD 6 1 6

    and their U19 was at the bottom of the pile.
    Division B
    Griffons 6 5 27
    Border 6 4 22
    Pumas 6 4 20
    Valke 6 3 20
    Boland 6 3 15
    Griquas 6 1 7
    Eastern Province 6 0 3

    but they have an excellent schoolboy base and surely can get to the top if they start keep their top schoolboy players.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.11.11 11:54:17 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 31) : Well then promote their u21s and invest in their u19s with their academy. With schools like Grey High,Dale,Selborne etc the player base is there. All im saying is they shouldnt throw a team into the top flight before their feeder structures are in place so that EP boys end up playing for the Kings, that will be for the good of the game. (And yes i know with professional rugby players move and get bought by teams but its the general idea im talking about.)

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.11.11 12:03:03 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) :

    How can they hold onto their players if they are not even playing Premier Division Currie Cup?

    Sure, they aren’t overloaded with talent at the moment, but the few good players they have each year are getting signed by other franchises who can offer them Premier Division & Super rugby opportunities.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.11.11 12:04:43 by hendrikp Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) :

    Their U21’s didn’t win the promotion battle I don’t believe.

    Border are replacing the Falcons at U21 level… I think.

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.11.11 12:05:58 by hendrikp Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 28) :

    I’m no happier about Cheeky being involved, but at the same time a Super rugby team in PE could be a blessing!

    Ideally it would be run by a level headed person with no agenda! But either way, another competitive SA team will do us good.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.11.11 12:08:37 by hendrikp Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : Agree with you 100%. Problem is thats not the reason why they get pushed by Saru and the ANC to be promoted.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.11.11 12:11:38 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) :

    Not totally true as they have signed Johan Snyman and David Bulbring as their locks. And they are definitely not over the hill.

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.11.11 12:15:32 by Bump Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 34) : They lost to Border at Wellington
    Eastern Province 19 – 23 Border Boland Stadium, Wellington

    Valke lost to Border in the Promotion releg in Kempton Park
    Valke 20 – 22 Border

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.11.11 12:16:31 by PaarlBok Reply

  • Myself would like to see the Kings getting SWD/EP/Border on board first, something they tend to cant get right.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.11.11 12:17:55 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Bump (Comment 37) :

    Bulbring as well!?

    The Lions really do have a HUGE lock turnover.

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.11.11 12:20:30 by hendrikp Reply

  • Rob,

    If there is going to be any merging, it will certainly be us and the kings 😡

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.11.11 12:21:06 by dawj Reply

  • @muzi what e.p kings players are at the sharks??

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.11.11 12:31:44 by pete69 Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 24) :

    Well if we add the Kings and make it a 16 it would level out the playing field with regards to travelling. Means NZ and Aus teams would have to spend on average 3-4 weeks in SA which is only fair. Judging by what has been said, so much mentioning of SA going to the UK (which i hope doesnt happen)in regards to a Sanzar deal, im sure we could push for an extra team. I would like to see EP get there on merit. They do have a strong youth playing base, but the problem is a lot of these guys having spent the bulk of their lives in PE want to move to another city to experience student days and so long as PE’s university isnt that widely regarded, at least in comparison to UCT or Pretoria or Stellenbosch, i cant see that many youngsters staying.

    @hendrikp (Comment 40) :
    Lions have signed Hendrik Roodt, Stephan Greef and Brad Mockford and have Marius Coetzer and Doppies Le Roux (big no 8) training with them. I think they are covered, plus they have a few younger guys like Das Chaves and Ruan Botha, and Ruan Venter all coming through.

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.11.11 12:36:11 by Pat Reply

  • Personally I’d like to see the Kings establish themselves as a creditable CC Prem Div team for a few seasons before they entertain any thoughts of entering SR.

    Let them go and at least do what the Griquas have done, for 5 seasons then come and make noise.

    In the meantime, it wud be great if a fully funded state of the art School of Rugby that could accommodate say 500 boarders, could be built somewhere near EL or PE.

    My feeling is that the net in the EC still has a few too many holes and as a result talented schoolboy players are missing out on opportunities. These youngsters are probably the many reason for upgrading senior rugby in the region. A school like Ithembihle that represents a lot of what development in the EC is meant to stand for, still has to battle to make ends meet in order to provide their youngsters with the oppo their talents deserve.

    It wud would also be ideal if a School of Rugby could be run by people with integrity, who are genuinely interested in developing young players in both the short and long term, and not a bunch of greedy, corrupt individuals who’ll stoop to the lowest lows to make a quick buck for themselves and are happy to use rugby development to disguise their true intentions. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.11.11 12:36:58 by beet Reply
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  • if the kings get into super rugby then they will attract better players to the union 😆 . you cannot look at there past results in the local competition .if you want to look at a side with bad super rugby results over a number of years then go no further than the lions. 😳

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.11.11 12:39:33 by pete69 Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 40) :

    my understandings is we doing some clean outs .. Rob seems to think we dont have enough money to pay the players.

    look we have (had?) to may players that was not being utilized . I think you will find this at any team who goes through the amount of coaches we have . we have players contracted and a new guy comes in . he signs players that fits into his plans but never really gets rid of the once not in his plans . and so on with the next guy .

    im not to worried . i get the idea that even though we dont have the money to pay players top dollars we have a system in plays where they players buy into what the union and Mitch wants to achieve .

    i meen we still had a guy like Henno Mentz on our books … gee wizz he has not played for the Lions in how long ? Walter Venter ? same story . but they are sitting around getting a salary for doing nothing . that cant be good for a union .

    ATM we are hanging onto our star players . As long as that continues im happy . if that changes i will no longer be so happy …

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.11.11 12:46:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pete69 (Comment 45) :

    with that logic since province havent won the currie cup in 10 years we can kick them out and make space for the kings 😛

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.11.11 12:49:44 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I dont see the logic in people saying just give them a CC Prem and Super Rugby spot and they will get players. Well why not just do that for any team then? Why not Boland, or the Pumas or Griquas?

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.11.11 13:00:40 by SheldonK Reply

  • The Blue Lions 2013
    1. Patric Cilliers
    2. Chillyboy Ralapele
    3. Werner Kruger
    4. Flip vd Merwe
    5. Jeandre Kruger
    6. Derrick Minnie
    7. Josh Strauss
    8. CJ Stander
    9. Francois Hougaart
    10. Elton Jantjies
    11. Micheal Killian
    12. Francois Venter
    13. Johan Sadie
    14. JJ Engelbreght
    15. Jaco Taute

    16. Bandise Maku
    17. JC Janse van Rensburg
    18. Franco vd Merwe
    19. Arno Botha
    20. Jano Vermaak
    21. Morne Steyn
    22. Bjorn Basson

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.11.11 13:37:23 by Mutley Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 49) :


  • Comment 50, posted at 30.11.11 13:45:18 by Bump Reply

  • @Mutley (Comment 49) : not bad 😆

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.11.11 13:45:39 by Franshark Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 49) :

    Steyn and Basson on the bench for Killian and Jantjies .. Much as i liek it i dont see it happening …

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.11.11 13:47:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • John Mitchell should coach, or Meyer but under no circumstances should Frans Ludeke be coach

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.11.11 13:47:59 by Mutley Reply
  • @ Zibbie
    Its 2013 by then Jantjies and Kilian would have surpassed Steyn and Basson

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.11.11 13:49:29 by Mutley Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 54) :

    you will be surprised . Killian is 29

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.11.11 13:51:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • At 31 he will still be better than Basson hehe, at least Killian can tackle

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.11.11 13:54:06 by Mutley Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 56) : Watch basson and J-J destroy teams next year.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.11.11 13:56:40 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 57) :

    they need good ball … the bulls needs forwards …

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.11.11 14:35:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 57) :

    Can see them both scoring a lot of tries in 2012.

    Hoping to see Engelbrecht in the 11 jersey, with Basson in the 14.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.11.11 14:47:33 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : Please lets not go there about Basson…. 😯 😯 😯 Most over rated Springbok ever.

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.11.11 15:21:56 by Uli Reply
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  • @pete69 (Comment 45) : True but I`d back the Lions against Boland any day . . . can`t say the same about the Southern King Speartacklers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.11.11 17:04:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 61) :

    you say such nice things ….

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.11.11 17:17:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • The Southern King consists of
    EP Kings ranked 10th
    SWD Eagels 13th
    Border Bulldogs 14th
    2 of the bottom teams in SA and EP can’t even win the B division of SA. Boland put about 50 up against them, a team like the Lions can put 100 past them. The Crusaders will put 100 past them in the first half

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.11.11 17:27:14 by Mutley Reply
  • The best is to keep the current series and
    A. Divide the 16 teams into 2 pools of 8 or even 4 pools of 4. And the top 4 or 2 of a pool play in the 1/4 finals or
    B. Create divisions based on there standings the previous year and if your at the bottom 2 you get relegated and top 2 get promoted

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.11.11 17:32:25 by Mutley Reply
  • Carlos Spencer extended his contract with the Lions to 3 years. He will now be at the Lions until end 2014.

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.11.11 17:58:50 by Mutley Reply
  • Don’t wanna have a situation where bulls and lions merge into one sr team . Or any of the other current sa sr teams $

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.11.11 18:13:17 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 66) : agree

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.11.11 18:20:38 by Franshark Reply
  • @Franshark: good evening. When I read the title of the arti,I thought it might just have something to do with a flank going to be turned into lock at the sharks lol
    Have you heard that sharkie has won some prestigious award in milan,italy?

  • Comment 68, posted at 30.11.11 18:41:05 by bergshark Reply

  • The thing is if you look at it in a business sense the best way is to merge the Lions and Bulls, but from a rugby sense its the worst. The Lions and Cheetahs are still recovering from the Cats tragedy. U have 44 players competing for 22 spots and the ones that don’t make it, go somewhere else depleteting the Unions reserves. Horrible idea

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.11.11 20:27:50 by Mutley Reply
  • @bergshark (Comment 68) : Plum already turned a 6 into a 5 with Deysel…maybe SARU should speak to him! 🙂

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.12.11 08:47:09 by SheldonK Reply

  • Merging the bulls and Lions would be unfair in my humble opinion. All the other SA franchises would vote against it.

    My option would be to just relegate the bottom placed SA team and replace them with the Kings.
    The relegated teams` players would then all be available to be drafted into the other teams who will compete.
    That way we boost our depth for all the other regions as well as satisfy the needs of the kings.

    But then we must be consistant, When ( note not if ) the kings finish last in the competition they must be relegated as well and their players will be available to the other teams, if anyone is interested.
    Problem sorted. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.12.11 08:48:50 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 71) : As far as i know the Kings have been guaranteed spot for 2 years from 2013. If say the Cheetahs get “relegated” then what happens to those 30 players? They all probably better than the Kings players so the Kings will take them all and then what happens to these players that the Kings apparently have? Relegation will mean a huge loss in player resources and could end up in a union like the cheetahs or lions going under…now how is that good for the game?

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.12.11 09:07:11 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) :

    and imagine the uprising if the Bulls finish last …

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.12.11 09:33:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : We may have a civil war! U dont upset the blue people with the horns….

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.12.11 09:45:18 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) :

    mmmm … maybe this could work .. let the bulls finish last .. the kings gets included at the bulls expense . everybody involved with the kings gets assassinated

    problem solved 😛

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.12.11 09:47:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Zibbie we will see who finishes last next year.Lets hope the lions currie cup final win was no fluke the super 15 is a different ball game.

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.12.11 09:50:45 by Muzi Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 75) : I think we should put that solution [email protected]Muzi (Comment 76) : Ur only as good as your last game…and at the moment in SA rugby the Bulls are bottom of the pile as Sharks,Cheetahs,WP and Lions all played in CC semis. Just putting it out there! 😉

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.12.11 09:58:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 76) :

    Sure . who knows what will happen . im not saying we will wipe the floor .. but we have the potential not to finish last .

    if we can compare the Sharks winning the currie cup in 2010 and there 2011 SR im optimistic . One thing is for sure . Lions on the way up

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.12.11 10:03:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Weren’t EP part of the original “coastal” Sharks franchise in the early days of super rugby?
    IMO the notion that EP is a production line of talent that is snapped up by the bigger unions is nonsense. Sure they have produced some good players and Grey PE are always competitive but the Craven Week side rarely does very well.
    I think that Border, SWD and Boland all have as strong an argument as development areas – Boland thrashed EP to win the B section with a team that I think was largely “home grown”.

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.12.11 10:05:07 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 79) : Yes EP were part of the coastal Sharks but the distance between PE and Durban makes things very difficult. As would merging any of the teams. Like i said in a previous post i have no problem with the EP Kings getting a spot BUT their u19s and u21s must first be sorted out, then after they come throught the senior side can be put in CC Prem, aaaaaand then they can eventually get a super rugby spot! Rome wasnt built in a day…and PE def aint no Rome!

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.12.11 10:19:04 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Agreed it`s not good for rugby at all!
    But they are determined to give the kings a spot so I`m just trying to figure out a way that we can all benefit from.
    Say the Kings then select 8 or 9 Cheetahs, that leaves 7 or so for the other unions to use as backup as well. That way these players still get paid and stay in contention for bok selection.

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.12.11 10:28:48 by Original Pierre Reply
    Original Pierre
  • @Original Pierre (Comment 81) : Yeh i get where u coming from but the problem is those 7 or 8 players wud find it tough getting a spot at other unions as those unions will have guys already contracted to them as well as juniours wanting to push into the seniors. Its a very tricky situation and at this moment i cant see a solution that would not have sum serious negatives.

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.12.11 10:39:52 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 8) : I think Lukey boy would get lynched.. 😆

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.12.11 11:18:57 by Just a Fan Reply

    Just a Fan
  • @dawj (Comment 41) : “us” being the sharks..NEVER EVER, will Sharks fans allow that!

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.12.11 11:24:40 by Just a Fan Reply

    Just a Fan
  • so the lions won the currie cup after years of been in the dark ❗ and now the fans say that they will win the super rugby cup next year.what are they smoking up there. ❓

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.12.11 11:48:27 by pete69 Reply

  • @pete69 (Comment 85) :

    whos saying that 😛 not me …

    im just saying i dont think we will be last in the SA conference …

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.12.11 12:09:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pete69 (Comment 85) : It`s all I`ve been hearing from my so called lion friends as well. ” We`ll win the super 15 next year!!! ” . . sigh 🙄

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.12.11 12:37:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 87) :

    sies OP .. SIES !!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.12.11 12:40:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Sheldonk(Comment 82)
    Ok we want
    Coenie Oosthuizen
    Adrian Strauss
    Heinrich Brussow
    Jean Smith
    Piet van Zyl
    Johan Goosen.
    The Bulls, Sharks, Stormers and Kings can have the rest

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.12.11 19:21:36 by Mutley Reply
  • Al Jokes aside, the Kings are not ready for Super rugby, the need at least 5 more years to develop properly and must get their youth system in place. EP and NMMU must work together if they want Super rugby. I say if they make the CC premier division on merit and settle them self there by all means give them a spot, but at the moment Griekwas, Boland, Pumas and even the Leopards have a better argument for getting a Super Rugby spot

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.12.11 19:25:52 by Mutley Reply
  • Congratulations to Bryce Lawrence for winning the top referee award in New Zealand. In an unrelated matter congratulations to the NZRU for winning the Mutley award for biggest dumbass, with Pieter de Villiers in close second.

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.12.11 05:37:17 by Mutley Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) :
    The rules of this site does’nt allow for a healthy debate on the “Why” question…….

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.12.11 07:39:17 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 92) : Too true…thats a conversation best left for the [email protected]Mutley (Comment 89) : Not a problem…can the Sharks then sign Craig Joubert,Jonathan Kaplan and Mark Lawrence??

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.12.11 08:09:43 by SheldonK Reply


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