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What’s going down in Jozi town?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content on 7 Dec 2011 at 23:03
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A rumour that we’ve been tracking for a while seems like it may just have come to a head. Have the Golden Lions finally (and terminally) run out of money?

According to Twitter whistleblower Tank Lanning, they have, with the players told that their salaries are only guaranteed until the end of December. Lanning reckons they’re all looking for other places to play, although Sharksworld can’t find anyone to confirm that, whether on or of the record.

What we do know, though, is that the Lions are in BIG financial poo and even if Tank has his timing wrong on this story, it’s going to be a case of when, not if, the Lions house of cards comes tumbling down.

More on this as we get it.


206 Comments

  • This sounds a bit unbelievable from a side who have just won a trophy and also recently got a new investor.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.12.11 23:10:22 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 1) : ja, but at what cost did that CC win came πŸ˜‰ told you all the Sharks were paid to loose πŸ˜†

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.12.11 23:29:40 by Franshark Reply
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  • Seriously now, this ain’t good for SA-Rugby….

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.12.11 23:31:29 by Franshark Reply
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  • Lol πŸ˜€

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.12.11 23:32:11 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 2) : Ha ha, if that makes you feel better ;). I would not be writing obituaries just yet though, I’m sure they will get help from somewhere.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.12.11 23:33:59 by war1 Reply
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  • But this can’t surely be correct ,can it?? ( I’m refering to the article and not @Franshark’s comment πŸ˜€ )

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.12.11 23:34:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • Well, it aint like them lions wouldve been crying tears if this had to happen to another sa team,now is it?
    Teams rise,teams fall..

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.12.11 23:41:59 by bergshark Reply

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  • But this won’t happen..the lions will carry on.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.12.11 23:42:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • If this is true I feel for the players.

    As far as the union goes, I couldn’t give a damn! 😈

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.12.11 23:53:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 7) :

    Why exactly would you presume that … it would be a travesty if any of the bigger unions went bankrupt.

    @wpw (Comment 9) :

    Ja Wes we all know your hatred for the Lions πŸ™„

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.12.11 00:00:03 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Been hearing the same rumour for years now ..and guess what the Lions are still here …

    Doubt very much that it won’t be sorted out sooner rather than later.

    Doesn’t Tank know that whistle blowing in SA is a dangerous practice ..

    Worryingly though is can we hang onto our star players …

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.12.11 00:04:21 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on this but as far as I know Tank’s record on his rumours turning out to be true isn’t exactly stellar…

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.12.11 00:42:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Nothing to be concerned about?

    Surely SARU will bail them out, with conditions.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.12.11 05:03:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 13) : If they do, it might be an opening for the Kings to get into Super Rugby.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.12.11 05:19:54 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 14) :

    I can’t see it hey.

    SARU will bail them out. Guaranteed.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.12.11 05:28:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) :

    As a last resort I mean.

    Could still get someone investing now that they’ve won the CC and so forth…

    Surely must be a few billion rand who want to feel like they own something special.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.12.11 05:30:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Anyway, a few of those Lions players could find jobs rather easily if they wanted to go elsewhere.

    Michael Rhodes & Franco van der Merwe would make a good locking combination at the Cheetahs.

    CJ van der Linde is still one of the best TH’s in SA, and would be a great fit in that Bulls front-row.

    Elton Jantjies would solve the Stormers flyhalf woes.

    and Jaco Taute could choose any of the 4 franchises he feels like playing for.

    Derick Minnie would be a good fit at either the Bulls or Sharks as well.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.12.11 05:34:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The problem is that no team can be owned by a company/person by more than 50%. Stupid rule that.

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.12.11 05:40:08 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 18) :

    Yeah I took that into account, and I agree with it because the last thing we want is private investors running the show…

    But they could still do alright selling off that 49% and then make drastic spending cuts you would think.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.12.11 05:53:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • let’s buy all the Lions players!!!!!!! πŸ˜›

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.12.11 05:57:25 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 20) :

    Who could you use?

    Michael Rhodes, Derick Minnie & Jaco Taute…

    The rest wouldn’t be a good fit, would they?

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.12.11 06:04:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • man!!!! was rolling around last night …

    a tweet from Lions Rugby suggests this is not true . (can we believe that ?)

    other thant that i dont know .. lets hope its some angry x employee blowing some smoke …

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.12.11 06:48:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 22) :

    You’re right. GLRU on Twitter has said ‘most definitely not’.

    Not sure what to believe though. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.12.11 06:56:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) :

    It does seem a bit far-fetcher though – that they’d be signing players like CJ van der Linde, the Cronje twins, Hendrik Roodt along with a few others if they were in so much trouble financially.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.12.11 06:58:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) :

    who lies more .. tank or the GLRU .. lol . busy watching all channels to see what transpires …

    i think the Union has a lot of angry people after it . players that where let go did not all take it to well ..

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.12.11 07:00:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Doubt this can be true. Sure, the Lions could be running low, but after a great CC they shouldn’t find it too hard to make sponsors believe that they have a very marketable brand.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.12.11 07:05:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 25) :

    GLRU haven’t been totally open and honest about their financial situation, and the amount of players they had on their roster – alongside still paying Dick Muir a salary until recently hasn’t given me much faith.

    I do think they should fall under the control of SARU if any of this ends up being true.

    Has been way too many jokers running the show. Don’t think I’ve seen a sports team managed so badly ever.

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.12.11 07:08:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • i think that might be exactly what started the rumors. The GLRU letting all those people go . but like i said yesterday . They players we let go where not key players .

    a guy like Walter Venter lasted played for the Lions in 2009 . that cant be good paying a guy like that . now we have him off our books . we have not lost any star players

    so yea heres hoping .

    aprantly the players were told in afrikaans cause i just saw the following tweet : james1_kamana james kamana
    Mean day in Jozi, on the way to training have a great day everyone!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.12.11 07:14:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Does this mean John Mitchell is available for the Bok job??

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.12.11 07:21:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • i might join mzui in supporting the Bulls !!!

    have you guys seen the Bulls youth program .. we pop the okes out straight boks he …. and if we pop the out in sequence we call it a straight flush hehehe

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.12.11 07:32:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Tank Lanning was sacked at the start of the year by SS.

    Sour grapes, uninformed… not sure?!

    http://bigdaddyrugby.com/2011/02/28/supersport-hoses-social-media-tank-lanning-sacked/

    I like the second to last sentence. He called it πŸ˜†

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.12.11 07:48:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hi there, long time listener, first time caller.

    Tank’s sauce is grasping at straws. I don’t know who it is, but yea. If things were really that bad, the Union would have folded before December came.

    Besides, my sauce has a little more credibility and the Union is not out of cash or in any sort of trouble.

    If any self respecting journo dig around a little bit they can deduct who my sauce is.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.12.11 08:15:58 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) :

    Whilst I agree with you that the union has been run badly for many a year now ..I can think of many ‘sports’ teams that have been literally run into the ground.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.12.11 08:22:02 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 32) :

    My sauces can confirm that this is a case of sour grapes meeting a sour journo ..

    Tank craving the attention imho.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.12.11 08:24:10 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 34) :

    Happy to hear that,

    I mean the Lions are my least favorite SA team, but this would’ve been a disaster. Not good for anybody.

    And if they are in fact in a tight spot financially – not bankrupt but still struggling, it’s time to do a move similar to that of the Cheetahs.

    Sign a group of about 35 players, and no more.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.12.11 08:27:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 34) :

    I don’t give a hoot’s ass who started the rumour, I think it’s just low.

    Besides if the Union where in financial problems, some form of bail out would have been given. Really, I’m not financial gurru, but to let 100’s and people loose their jobs and a Union with history going down. C’mon think further than getting your 5 min of fame. Financial assistance would have been given to the Union.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.12.11 08:28:46 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) :

    I would never have guessed .. πŸ˜› , your’s and wpw dislike for the Lions are well documented ..although I recall your list a few months back your order of support and the Bulls were under the Lions in that list ..has winning the CC demoted them under the Bulls πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.12.11 08:31:56 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 34) : This is good news for SA rugby. Hopefully the Lions can stay financially sound for many years to come.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.12.11 08:33:58 by beet Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 34) : Ditto – this is absolute drivel.
    @ Rob – a bit of free legal advice – your last paragraph is probably defamatory in SA law – at the very least it is reckless and irresponsible reporting more appropriate in a tabloid than a serious rugby website

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.12.11 08:34:23 by steve Reply

     
  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 36) :

    Well you should care who starts the rumour…

    Its not good for the union especially now when it finally looks like we turning a corner …

    Unfortunatly Twatter provides that platform for any man and his dog to have their 5 min of fame.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.12.11 08:35:23 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) :

    Sign a group of about 35 players, and no more.

    That is exactly what the Union did recently ..and only kept players they feel they’ll need in the coming season.

    What bugs the shit out of me is the million bucks paid to Dick ..for what exactly..

    And nevermind that the union carried sicknote Pretoruis for years and years on a pretty decent pay package ..and playing squat !

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.12.11 08:39:52 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Hope this isn’t true. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.12.11 08:40:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 40) : Tank has proof apparently, will wait and see what proof and then will see who his sauce is.

    For now this is a closed topic, for me.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.12.11 08:43:47 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 39) :

    Most irritating to be honest there are some on this site that would take alot of joy out of a old and once proud unions demise…

    Heres hoping they eat fat humble pie in the coming years!

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.12.11 08:44:14 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 43) :

    yea well good for him …

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.12.11 08:45:34 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 41) :

    what is even more scary is that we still had henno mentz and walter Venter on our books .. shocking to say the least

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.12.11 08:46:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 37) :

    Did I?

    Well it’s close.

    I sort of dislike the Bulls because all their supporters (and some of their players) are so provincialistic. Bloody sick of it. The way their supporters act on News24 is embarrassing.

    And then the Lions because for the past 10 or so years they’ve played with no passion. It’s always felt like their players are just in it so that another team may offer them a contract… Nobody cares about the Lions.

    But hopefully that will change :mrgreen:

    Also the whole thing about having plenty of potential Springboks in the Lions team because they won a Currie Cup kind of annoys me.

    I mean a guy like Michael Killian being talked about as a Springbok winger, when he’s not even a great finisher at CC level… makes my blood boil πŸ˜†

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.12.11 08:55:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 46) :

    Henno Mentz πŸ˜†

    Lwazi Mvovo will go the same way. You’re not going to survive long if you don’t have basic ball skills. Any player with decent pace can finish off opportunities or beat a man.

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.12.11 08:56:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 47) :

    hey we having some fun :p cant you just let us have one month of fun PLEAAAAAAAAASEEEEEE hahaha dont be a meanie !!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.12.11 09:00:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 39) : you assume, incorrectly, that Tank’s tweet is the first I’ve heard of this story.

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.12.11 09:02:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Look that the Lions are in trouble financially is true . im not even going to argu about that .

    but it seems we are attempting to fix this . and in attempting to fix this its causing rumors.

    What big name players have we let go this season .. ? none that i can count

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.12.11 09:09:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 47) :

    Yea you did ..in agreement about Bulls supporters though ..

    But I can honestly say I have no issues with any union I’m always impartial and take some joy for any supporter if their team is doing well ..sure there is some banter.

    There is your 1st problem ..you should not use news24 as a yardstick ..cause quite frankly the people that post on there are not all the sharpest knives and all that ..

    My gripe is people wishing hoping for a teams demise ..very South african .. πŸ™„

    And yes there are a couple of Lions players that COULD make the Bok squad and not cause they won the CC ..players like Taute, Minnie and my outside horse is Rhodes ..stand a chance.. my opnion ofcourse.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.12.11 09:15:09 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 49) :

    Ignore them Zibbie ..lets see how they react when their team goes an entire decade not winning anything and being mis-managed ..

    I can assure you their reactions would be the same ..a bit over the top but thats just cause we forgot what it felt like to win something.

    Hendrikp remind me again when last did Province win something .. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.12.11 09:19:51 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • If this story is true, i say forget about the guys on trial at the moment at The Sharks, unfortunate for them…Rudolf must try and get Lionel Mapoe back in Durbs, he owes the Union at least 3 years on top quality rugby at 13 πŸ˜‰ Give him a chance to make up for the bad dicisions he made in the past.

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.12.11 09:20:46 by JJR Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 53) :

    haha . yes ive been here long enough .. rather thick skinned already πŸ˜›

    just joining in the debate .. with a smile of course πŸ˜†

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.12.11 09:23:39 by Zibbie Reply
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  • And just a few days ago we heard of 3 Lions players turning job offers from Rasdsie down. Makes no sense to do that when your employer is bankrupt.

    Anyway I hereby instruct MTN, that continue to deduct money from me for a cancelled contract, to forward such funds to the GLRU forthwith.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.12.11 09:23:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†
    hahah thanx sir !!! Much appreciated πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.12.11 09:24:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • BTW apparently we can still afford to have team meetings 😯

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.12.11 09:26:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 54) : Boy! Do YOU live in Lala Land…Mapoe will not make it alive 5 meters off the aerie he landed on!

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.12.11 09:26:07 by Ice Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 53) : @Zibbie (Comment 55) :

    Most of us Sharks supporters are nice with you chaps!

    Even if you support the Lions. :mrgreen: πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.12.11 09:27:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Dear lord when are you guys gonna get over the Mapoe saga .. πŸ™„

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.12.11 09:28:03 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) :

    haha why do you think i keep on coming back .. its not because your such a pretty face on your avatar thats for sure πŸ˜›

    besides … somebody has to keep the balance 😈

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.12.11 09:30:19 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 62) :

    I thought you just came here for the competitions(which you’re bloody good at) πŸ˜€

    Maybe I should visit Lionsworld sometime and see if they need some balance too.

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.12.11 09:32:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) :

    You too kind πŸ˜€

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.12.11 09:32:54 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 59) : I forgive and forget when i am still not happy with our centre options at 13 ATM πŸ˜‰ I mean who else can we get with proven quality? Mjekevu is good attacker, but can’t really tackle and we have young P.Jordaan….so we don’t really need him, we have 12 covered IMO, i just want us to get one more quality 13 or hopefully Jordaan can make an impact on senior rugby as early as this year already…lets wait and see. Never rated Whitehead…he’s just there to make up the numbers, IMO.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.12.11 09:33:08 by JJR Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 61) : Hopefullly not as long as it took u to get over the Ludik and Alberts saga…oh wait..plenty of u still not over it…just try WTR, gooi the bait and sure as hell u will see in every convo…ja but u guys stole …blah blah..

    The Mapoe saga is a whole diff ballgame…he used our medical facilities, got paid and then dropped us, after everything we invested – no integrity at all – I sure as hell don’t want him, does not matter if he plays like a king now..

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.12.11 09:35:29 by Ice Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 61) : Im over it. I just dont want to see that guy in a Sharks jersey, ever.

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.12.11 09:35:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 63) :

    hehe . beginners luck . πŸ˜‰ but like i said ill be back next season . epic failed with the SR LMS ..

    NO NO NO lol they already only report the doom and gloom there were ok thanx πŸ˜›

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.12.11 09:36:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 66) :

    Ice I challenge you to any comment where I complained ..the occasional tongue in cheek comment about Alberts ..but truthfully I was happy for him to go to the Sharks cause it meant he became a Bok ..

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.12.11 09:41:27 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • As for Ludik couldn’t care less ..even the departure of J Fourie I was okay with ..he gave his all for the Union and that was enough for me .

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.12.11 09:43:00 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • If Lionel stayed in Durban i have no doubt he would have had a few springbok caps right now πŸ˜‰ If you want to become a Bok come to The Sharks. Don’t have the stats, but would be interesting to see how many players have become Boks shortly after coming to Durban.

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.12.11 09:44:01 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 20) : just not the poo

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.12.11 09:45:53 by lostfish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 71) :

    Well its not surprising . the Lions suckED for a long time . but i believe we have stopped sucking . we will see next season but my believe is we will do much better

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.12.11 09:45:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 66) :

    Hopefullly not as long as it took u to get over the Ludik and Alberts saga

    I was over it the same day it was announced ..unlike some I don’t take a move by a player personally ..its their lives and their choices ..

    I do however agree that the Mapoe saga cut deep cause of the way it was conducted ..he wasn’t the first though and nor the last …

    Move on ..its good for the rugby soul.

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.12.11 09:46:44 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Fair enough guys, I apologize Lions supporters… you deserve your moment of glory :mrgreen:

    However… :mrgreen: the Currie Cup can no longer be used to measure the strongest team as others miss the majority of their best players who are with the Springboks.

    By the time the semi-finals come around, teams that aren’t affected have built up some momentum, and we all know how important home advantage is in finals rugby also.

    If the Lions do well in SR, I’ll be taking notice :mrgreen:

    And yes, Taute is a star, and there aren’t many players with the sort of workrate and mongrel as Michael Rhodes – love him as a player.

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.12.11 09:48:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 71) :

    If you want to be a Bok, go to the Bulls.

    Everybody knows that πŸ˜†

    You don’t even have to be good.

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.12.11 09:51:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 66) :

    Excuse my ignorance but what is WTR ..?

    @hendrikp (Comment 75) :

    Yip this CC win would amount to nothing if its not backed up in the SR series ..

    I believe if Rhodes sorts his dicipline out he can become great.

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.12.11 09:52:04 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : If you guys can somehow keep ur players, Yes, you will be better than previous seasons…but i don’t think playing for the lions helps someone’s springbok chances. Being in a team that consistently makes the Superugby knockouts is key to springbok selection these days.

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.12.11 09:52:34 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 75) : may i ask if we are allowed to take the Lions last 6 SR games into account ?

    cause i feel we already showed some improvement back then . Like i said before . The lions do need a good SR season for any bok inclusions to happen . but i feel we can do well .

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.12.11 09:52:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Tell you what,

    Tank Lanning is going to look like a real p03ph0l if this turns out to be just that, a rumor.

    He’s pretty much put his credibility on the line.

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.12.11 09:53:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 77) :

    Excuse my ignorance but what is WTR ..? http://www.wetalkrugby.com a Lions website, like Lionsworld

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.12.11 09:55:04 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) :

    It wouldn’t be the first time.

    @LionsinPTA (Comment 81) :

    Thank you.

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.12.11 09:58:17 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 79) :

    Problem is I’ve seen the Lions finish the season well before… and it’s more the consistency I’m worried about. I mean they got crushed 53 – 19 by the Cheetahs! In Jo’burg as well.

    A couple of upset wins means little towards national selection.

    Individual performances will obviously be taken into account though! But when the team isn’t performing, there tends to be a negative on players who might otherwise have made it.

    I’m just hoping for positive displays. With all the SA derbies, somebody has got to lose, and the Lions have the least depth for a number of reasons. Maybe they’ll prove me wrong πŸ˜†

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.12.11 09:59:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 78) :

    Agreed . But i get the idea that Mitch is bringing around a lot of change . For now we are hanging onto our players . from my understanding most of the players wants to be in jozi .

    The two loose ends that needs to be tided up is Taute and Jantjies . but my understanding is that both of them went to the Union to start negotiations.

    This is only my understanding and stories ive heard . So might not be true ..

    what ive heard is that the following players rejected offers from other unions :

    Hollenbach (Sharks )
    Minnie ( Bulls)
    Strauss (Bulls)
    Taute (Stormers)
    jantjies (Stormers)

    again thats what i heard and it might not be true .

    but those are core players who are willing to stay at the team .

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.12.11 09:59:19 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) :

    Although as Robd has pionted out its not just him ..

    Its a case of there is a finiancial issue but its being perpetuated as its not being dealt with ..when infact people are running around desperatly dealing with it ..to make it right.

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.12.11 10:01:11 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) : He has, his last tweet was to me and he has pretty much gone silent now on twitter.

    This from the Union twitter acc “We are not bankrupt.We are not closing down.The players are being paid.We are playing in the 2012 SR comp.All malicious rumors”

    I have a feeling Tank will be following JustPlainTwit very soon.

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.12.11 10:02:05 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 79) :

    Not to worry Zibbie we’ll do alot better next year in SR ..cause its the Sharks ‘B’ team πŸ˜› πŸ˜†

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.12.11 10:04:02 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • The Lions arent bankrupt. Just read this:

    The Lions’ manager flies to Baghdad to watch a young Iraqi play rugby, is suitably impressed and arranges for him to come over to Gauteng.

    Two weeks later the Lions are 18-6 down to the Cheetahs with only 20 minutes left to play. The manager gives the young Iraqi winger the nod and on he goes.

    The lad is a sensation, scores 4 tries in 20 minutes and wins the game for the Lions. The fans are delighted, the players and coaches are delighted and the media love the new star.

    When the player comes off the pitch he phones his mum to tell her about his first day in Super 14 Rugby.

    “Hello mum, guess what?” he says “I played for 20 minutes today, and we were 18-6 down but I scored 4 tries and we won! Everybody loves me, the fans, the media, they all love me!”

    “Wonderful,” says his mum, “Let me tell you about my day. Your father got shot in the street and robbed; your sister and I were ambushed, raped and beaten; your brother has joined a gang of looters and all while you were having such a great time playing rugby”

    The young lad is very upset. “What can I say mum, but I am so sorry.”

    “Sorry?!!! Sorry?!!!’ shrieks his mum, “It’s your fault we all moved to Jo’Burg in the first place!”

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.12.11 10:06:40 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 29) : hahaha. Was just about to post that. One good thing that may come from this if it is true.

    There are plenty players there that will be snapped up if it is true. For now I think it is just a rumour. Just have to wait and see.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.12.11 10:07:14 by Puma Reply

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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 86) : LOL!! Perhaps its to get traffic to his new site..? πŸ˜†

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.12.11 10:07:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 83) :

    yes no true .. i agree .

    BUT i have to ask this as well . when last did the Lions have more or less the same core of players and the same coach from one SR season to the next ?

    and the inconsistency in players and coaching staff showed in the team performance .

    for me the Lions is like Johan Goosen for you . they have the potential to go out and be great . But they could fail as well . no guarantees

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.12.11 10:08:39 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 77) : WTR (We Talk Rugby) is a Lions website. Started by a few bloggers that left keo about 2 years back. Think it was ‘Ed The Lion’ that started that blog. Good bloke. Good set up too.

    I blog there sometimes, cause I used to speak with quite a few of those bloggers on keo then Rugby-Talk until they started their own blog.

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.12.11 10:10:45 by Puma Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 88) :

    Joburg is not for sussies 😎

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.12.11 10:10:47 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 92) :

    Cheers!

    Excellent ..had no idea..thats what spending time in the desert does to you ..I’ll go check it out.

    Bout time there is a Lions blog ..even if we are bankrupt πŸ˜†

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.12.11 10:13:45 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 39) :
    That’s the problem with free advice – legal or otherwise: its so often absolutely WRONG. πŸ˜‰

    As for Mapoe coming back; please no! We don’t need another Mr Average.

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.12.11 10:14:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 91) :

    Problem I have with that is…

    The Lions are made up of quite a few players who can be called ‘journeyman’.

    Have to question whether they played above themselves during the Currie Cup.

    It does show us though that a close-knit team of average players can beat a thrown-together team of players we’d deem more talented.

    Shows how valuable preparation is… which is where NZ has been getting it right, and we’ve been getting it wrong.

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.12.11 10:14:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 94) : ‘Even if we are bankrupt’ hahahahaha. Good one……… πŸ™‚

    Check that blog out. Very good set up and mostly all Lions blogging there. I used to speak to quite a few of them when they blogged on keo and Rugby-Talk.

    Tell Ed I sent you over……..hehehe. Good bloke that lives in Boston now.

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.12.11 10:16:07 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 92) :

    I left keo a few years back ..for obvious reasons then followed a few to RW and from there followed KSA and Robd too SW .

    By far one of the best rugby blogs.

    Even though the Lions aren’t that liked over here. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.12.11 10:16:46 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 96) : and the sharks province and the bulls are not … πŸ˜†

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.12.11 10:17:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 94) : Where you been in the desert buddy?

  • Comment 100, posted at 08.12.11 10:17:57 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 90) : Sigh, for 5 min of spotlight?

    Like I said before, Tank said he has proof what proof? I have a feeling my sauce is a better informant than what Tank’s is.

    For the love that is all good, I hope not his informant is Andre Bester.

  • Comment 101, posted at 08.12.11 10:18:14 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 98) :

    have you been to lionsworld ?

  • Comment 102, posted at 08.12.11 10:18:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 96) :

    what are you talking about .. we never had JLP at the Lions πŸ˜†

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.12.11 10:20:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 101) : who are u on twitter?

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.12.11 10:22:47 by Ice Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 99) :

    Sharks & Bulls recruit well.

    And WP & the Cheetahs turn out the vast majority of SA’s best players…

    Can’t quite say the same for the Lions unfortunately. They can’t hold onto their best, and don’t sign anybody with a big reputation. Could be the $$ situation.

    Let me put it this way.

    They did bloody well to come together during the CC… But SR is again another step up, and those performances aren’t good enough to win consistently at SR level.

    I’m looking for a 3-4 win season from the Lions. Outside of that if they can run a few teams close I’ll be happy for them.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.12.11 10:23:49 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 104) : LionsinPTA

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.12.11 10:24:12 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 98) : haha. This is a good blog, but Rugby-Talk is also one of the best. Plenty Bulls supporters over there, but good Bulls supporters…lol. They also have Lions/Sharks and Province supporters blogging there.

    What I like about that blog is they don’t only talk about the up to date news of what is happening in rugby, but all rugby related stuff. The best is the past tours of the All Blacks to South Africa. Great to read. Excellent blog. Just not enough bloggers on at one time. Otherwise would blog there most of the time. Like Rob’s blog here you won’t find any trolls or trouble makers there. We Talk Rugby (WTR) a great blog too, no trouble makers there either. Ed would sort them out quick. All these bloggers first blogged on keo and left.

    I still blog on keo, some good bloggers there, but you have to shift amongst the trouble makers there.

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.12.11 10:24:18 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 100) :

    Iraq and Sudan.

    @Zibbie (Comment 102) :

    I have thats Walters site …a bit quiet though..

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.12.11 10:24:49 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 103) : Or Stefan Terblanche πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.12.11 10:25:24 by Greg Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 105) :

    By that second sentence I mean the schools in those districts, meaning they aren’t completely screwed for too long if they don’t hold onto their best.

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.12.11 10:28:54 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 104) :

    Ive just joined twitter and have a question for you ..?

    When I type in lets say Charlie Sheen there seems to be alot of accounts under that name ..how do I determine which is his real one ..or are they all ..how does that work..?

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.12.11 10:29:00 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 105) :

    again agreed . but like mentioned before . i think we have turned a corner in terms of performance and player retention .

    we dont buy boks .. we make them and then other unions sign them πŸ˜› hahaah

    ok lets put it this way . 3 years from now me and and you sitting in the old age home watching SR .

    Lions have more or less the same players that have now . Taute , Jantjies , Strauss , minnie , Rhoads , Cilliers

    what is your prediction ?

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.12.11 10:29:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 111) :

    Look for the one with the most followers…

    Or google ‘Charlie Sheen twitter’. That should bring it up.

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.12.11 10:29:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 108) : Damn what you doing in Iraq? Must have been horrible. Well think it must have been. Sudan is okay though.

    Joburg must feel like awesome after that….. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 114, posted at 08.12.11 10:31:05 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 66) : you set yourself up for that one! why did you guys take a player with a VALID contract with another union and keep him @ your union?

    it was unethical behaviour from the Sharks and you got what you deserved. you can hate mapoe all you want but your union fcuked up royally!

  • Comment 115, posted at 08.12.11 10:31:49 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 111) :

    blue tick will indicate authenticated πŸ˜‰ fiollow me aswell ZBBlik πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 116, posted at 08.12.11 10:32:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 110) :

    There is always very good talent coming out of Joburg ..but its hanging onto them which is the problem.

    If the planet does go tits up at the end of next year ..lets hope the planet shifts insuch a way that Joburg would end up by the sea .. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 117, posted at 08.12.11 10:32:35 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 116) :

    search WayneRooney . the one that has a blue circle with a tick mark in the circle is the real one

  • Comment 118, posted at 08.12.11 10:35:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 114) :

    Coming from Joburg it wasn’t that bad ..recieved my war zone stripes over here :mrgreen:

    Sudan is just bloody Hot !

    @Zibbie (Comment 116) :

    Will do.

  • Comment 119, posted at 08.12.11 10:37:24 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 115) :

    Careful now you treading on a sensitive issue here .. 😎

  • Comment 120, posted at 08.12.11 10:38:59 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 98) : be advised though, Ed the Lion is huge bigot! ❗

  • Comment 121, posted at 08.12.11 10:40:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 117) : Joburg by the sea.. πŸ˜† Actually I like Joburg, good vibe there, but if it was a coastal city, bet even more would live there.

    Just before I log off. I really do hope it is only a rumour about the the Lions cause South African Rugby needs a strong Lions team. For now they are really looking good for SuperRugby.

    Work calls so need to go.

    Cheers everyone. Catch up later.

  • Comment 122, posted at 08.12.11 10:40:08 by Puma Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 121) : Ag, Transie you always had issues with Ed, but he is actually a great bloke buddy.

    Anyhow need to dash. Catch up later.

  • Comment 123, posted at 08.12.11 10:42:08 by Puma Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 116) :

    I r following you πŸ™‚

    @Megatron (Comment 121) :

    Thanks for that ..will check it out ..

  • Comment 124, posted at 08.12.11 10:42:53 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 112) :

    If they can hold onto your players, you’re right… 3 years from now the Lions could be a heck of a team.

    Problem is I’m not so sure they can or will.

    I mentioned last night that in the NFL they use the term ‘franchise players, franchise QB etc.’ to describe a player who you can ink into your team each week.

    We may differ on who those players are for the Lions, but they need to hold onto them.

    I’m thinking: JC Janse van Rensburg, Pat Cilliers, Derick Minnie, Michael Rhodes, Josh Strauss, Warren Whiteley, Elton Jantjies, Lionel Mapoe, Jaco Taute… and CJ vd Linde, Franco van der Merwe & Doppies being the older ones.

    If they can build around those for 3 years, I agree the Lions could actually give it a genuine shot in Super Rugby.

    But it’s not happening in 2012, sorry :mrgreen: They’ll be lucky not to finish last in the SA conference.

  • Comment 125, posted at 08.12.11 10:45:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 122) :

    Thanks Puma ..hey pretty use to bad news re-Lions ..nothing would suprise me ..and frankly the only way I could make any difference is if I won the european lotto ..unlikley..

    I did however get my season tickets ..hopefully that can cover bonuses πŸ˜†

  • Comment 126, posted at 08.12.11 10:45:51 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 123) : nope, didn’t “always have issues” with him, only when he revealed his true self did i have issues with him. what is strange is that some of you okes DID NOT have “issues” with him after his faux pas πŸ™„

  • Comment 127, posted at 08.12.11 10:52:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • ha ha – go read Rob Houwing’s article on Sport24…

    First the Lions tweet that it’s not happening. Then they tweet that they will never officially respond to malicious rumours. So that makes you think their twitter account is not official, hence can be ignored.

  • Comment 128, posted at 08.12.11 10:57:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 125) :

    i think well hang onto them .. that is if were not closing down πŸ˜†

    you think the Bulls will fill the void left by FDP , Matiefld and Botha right away ?

    same with province only having 2 tried and tested centers ?

    Who will boost the sharks not to have another CC final ?

    FS well i hear some of the payers are not really taking pre season to seriously …

    but then again this drama with the Lions ? how will it affect them … find out … next time … on Survivor

  • Comment 129, posted at 08.12.11 10:57:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 128) :

    man and i was told Manie was not running the twitter account any more …

  • Comment 130, posted at 08.12.11 10:59:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 129) :

    To be honest, I think the Bulls have already filled the void by bringing through Flip van der Merwe, signing two very good locks in Juandre Kruger (who will be Andries Bekker back-up next year, mark my words :mrgreen: )& Wilhelm Steenkamp.

    And then they stole Jano Vermaak from you guys & have Francois Hougaard.

    Plus they’ve strengthened their squad elsewhere with players like Sadie, Engelbrecht and having a great junior structure (particularly U21’s) means plenty of talented players coming through like Francois Venter, Arno Botha etc. who will hopefully prove themselves.

  • Comment 131, posted at 08.12.11 11:03:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Who said there are no trolls here?

  • Comment 132, posted at 08.12.11 11:05:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 131) :

    ahh yes .. all the great players from the Bulls ..

    But

    be careful. if you cant judge the Lions victory on other teams having players away how can you say the bulls will be a force to recon with if they couldn’t even make the CC semis …

    and dont tell me Hougard and Steyn will make any difference .

  • Comment 133, posted at 08.12.11 11:09:00 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 101) : what is your sauce? Tomato? BBQ? Monkeygland?

  • Comment 134, posted at 08.12.11 11:10:12 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 133) :

    They started coming right towards the end there though hey!

    And Johann Sadie will make a difference also! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 135, posted at 08.12.11 11:11:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 135) :

    may i quote something i read somewhere . one or 2 upset wins does not warren springbok inclusion ..

  • Comment 136, posted at 08.12.11 11:15:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 136) :

    Remember the game where Sadie destroyed the Lions this season …

    no ? i dont either …

  • Comment 137, posted at 08.12.11 11:16:31 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 136) :

    Mark my words,

    the Bulls will finish well above the Lions :mrgreen:

  • Comment 138, posted at 08.12.11 11:17:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 137) :

    The Bulls do the same as the Lions…

    Sure, they have players with individual brilliance, but it’s the close-knit culture & the structure in their play that gets them over the line.

    So a few key players really will make all the difference.

    And Johann Sadie only played in 1 game against the Lions, where he scored the only try, in a game they won 28 – 26. If I remember correctly, the Lions first loss.

  • Comment 139, posted at 08.12.11 11:22:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 139) :

    Only try for WP that is.s

    He was injured for the latter two games, with Berton Klaasen starting the Rd 2 game, and Jaque Fourie the semi-final.

  • Comment 140, posted at 08.12.11 11:23:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @LionsinPTA (Comment 101) : I think his “sauce” might have been a bit on the mild side.

  • Comment 141, posted at 08.12.11 11:24:52 by Mocho Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 138) :

    doesnt count if the Lions go bankrupt and they get Lions players … 😈

  • Comment 142, posted at 08.12.11 11:25:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • My sauce is veeerrrryyyy deliciouslyyyy…… πŸ˜›

  • Comment 143, posted at 08.12.11 11:32:49 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • Tweet by Lisa Hack ” GLRU (Lions) downsizing business but nothing more than that. Get the full story on SportsFire tonight – 5.30pm – 1485am in JHB, DStv 169″

  • Comment 144, posted at 08.12.11 11:52:47 by Mocho Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 139) :

    Lions to beat bulls at least once next season in SR

  • Comment 145, posted at 08.12.11 11:52:54 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 144) : correction by Greame Joffe

  • Comment 146, posted at 08.12.11 11:54:25 by Mocho Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok: agree with you on rhodes .in a bit of a reversal,it seems like he had to go from the sharks to the lions to perhaps make the bok team..sharks couldve done with him on the books.

  • Comment 147, posted at 08.12.11 12:33:25 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 95) :
    @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 44) : @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    You CAN say that there are persistent rumours that the Lions are in financial trouble – that there are rumours is a fact and that they have been circulating for some time, largely in the wake of the termination of the disastrous liaison with Mr Gumede, is also a fact.

    What you CANNOT say as a statement of fact, based on hearsay, is that;
    β€œ What WE DO KNOW, though, IS that the Lions are in BIG financial poo and even if Tank has his timing wrong on this story, it’s going to be a case of when, not if, the Lions house of cards comes tumbling down.”

    Be that as it may, the Lions may well have financial, or at least liquidity concerns. The facts that are in the public domain however mitigate against that.
    -The Lions major sponsor MTN signed a three year deal in March 2011 – so until March 2014
    -The union hosted a home CC semi and final – and were getting crowds in excess of 30 000 during the latter part of the season – this has to have been good for cashflow.
    -The Lions actually own Ellis Park so should have a fairly substantial asset on their balance sheet, as opposed to having a lease over the stadium.

    One thing that is certain in rugby is that the wheel turns and to write the Lions off permanently after a recent period of abysmal administration would be foolhardy. It is not that long ago that the Bulls were the whipping boys of super rugby and a few years earlier the Lions (or Transvaal as they then were) were supplying the bulk of the β€˜95 World Cup winning team.

    For the record I am Natal born and bred and suffering through the indignity of the 80’s, when we simply could not win a play off game against NOFS to get out of the B section, knocked any rugby arrogance out of my system. Even in the 70’s when we played in the A section we were not very competitive save for 1980 when we managed to beat NTvl at Loftus and come close against the British Lions at kings Park.

    Over the last few years I have developed a soft spot for the Lions for reasons that are not relevant to this debate and would like to see them do well. IMO a lot is starting to go right under Kevin de Klerk who is a rugby man through and through. In 2011 the Lions;
    – Craven Week side played in the β€œfinal” at CW
    – U19’s won the CC
    – U21’s lost their CC semi to eventual winners the Bulls at Loftus
    – UJ topped the log in the VC but lost a home semi and played in the final of the Club champs
    – finished top of the North section log in the Vodacom cup
    – won the Currie Cup
    The progress that is being made at the support structure level is what informs my view that the Lions are on an upward trajectory but it won’t happen in a year.
    πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 148, posted at 08.12.11 12:53:26 by steve Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 148) : that’s all nice, but none of that helps if they had a massive structural debt coming into the 2011 season.

  • Comment 149, posted at 08.12.11 13:24:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : Perhaps they do and it may have even been called – but until something like that is confirmed either by the holder of their paper or the union it is speculation.

  • Comment 150, posted at 08.12.11 13:33:05 by steve Reply

     
  • I say don`t take any chances.

    Sharks management should immediately draw up lucrative contracts for Minnie, Taute and Hollenbach. If rumours proof to be true then we`re ready to pounce. If not they can at least say they tried.

  • Comment 151, posted at 08.12.11 13:38:42 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 151) :

    dont get your hopes up OP

  • Comment 152, posted at 08.12.11 13:50:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 150) :
    Speculation or opinion?

    The news papers and sites present facts as well as speculation and opinion; its what people want to read.

    I already stated above that I doubt that the Lions are in some kind of unrecoverable mess.

    My point is that you calling Rob’s last paragraph defamatory in SA law is incorrect.

  • Comment 153, posted at 08.12.11 14:04:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : Jantjies had approached WP for a contract, he was actually pushing hard for one according to people I’ve chatted to.

  • Comment 154, posted at 08.12.11 14:08:43 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 154) :

    really ? interesting … did not know that .. but it fell through eventually ? Do you know why ?

  • Comment 155, posted at 08.12.11 14:11:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 155) : That was either just before the season started or in the early stages of it, can’t remember exactly.

    I remember the story because I was trying to find out whether or not Bom Samaai had actually signed with WP or not, was told he was in preseason with the squad and that Elton Jantjies had been sniffing around for a while and was making a bit of a nuicance of himself.

  • Comment 156, posted at 08.12.11 14:19:46 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 156) :

    well i hope he is over it now .. we need him at the Lions .

  • Comment 157, posted at 08.12.11 14:24:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Original Pierre: we need to keep money in the kitty to pay frans steyn πŸ™‚

  • Comment 158, posted at 08.12.11 14:26:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 153) : Lets agree to disagree –
    Of course you can express an opinion as to what the circumstances may be – but you cannot make a public statement that someone IS insolvent, facing liquidation etc, or anything else that may be damaging to that persons reputation.

  • Comment 159, posted at 08.12.11 14:28:20 by steve Reply

     
  • @Clayton(pjld _ in small letters πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€ ) :I even recall hearing a rumour over rsg radio that mentioned jantjes is maybe heading to the sharks ?? ( After the cc final ).

  • Comment 160, posted at 08.12.11 14:29:37 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 157) : I’m sure he is rooted at the Lions now.Mitch backed him and the results are there for all to see. He’d be a fool to leave.

  • Comment 161, posted at 08.12.11 14:30:06 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • PissAnt sums it up perfectly at WTR – http://www.wetalkrugby.com/archives/8469#comments

  • Comment 162, posted at 08.12.11 14:31:48 by LionsinPTA Reply

     
  • @bergshark (Comment 160) :

    pfffft πŸ˜›

  • Comment 163, posted at 08.12.11 14:32:03 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 160) : Sjoe

  • Comment 164, posted at 08.12.11 14:33:06 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 159) : why are your panties in such a twist about this? πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 165, posted at 08.12.11 14:39:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Golden Lions Rugby Union released a statements on Thursday countering the claims of financial turmoil as posted on twitter.

    False Allegations against GLRU
    β€œJohannesburg, 08 December 2011… The Golden Lions Rugby Union received notification this morning via social networking website http://www.twitter.com that a rumour has been circulating that the Golden Lions Rugby Union are bankrupt and can only afford to pay their players’ salaries until the end of the month.

    The initial rumours, circulated via an individual’s blog website stated that the information was received from a β€œreliable source”, but would not name the source.

    The Golden Lions Rugby Union would like to reiterate the comments that β€œthey are malicious rumours” made on Twitter in response to numerous queries from supporters.

    ”Statements such as those made by this individual are incredibly damaging as they create an unnecessary sense of unease and panic amongst those within the Union structures. We will not tolerate this and are seeking legal advice”, President of the GLRU Mr. Kevin de Klerk said.

    Further statements in this individual’s blog stated β€˜given that the Lions have been in financial poo for a while, I can well believe this news. After all the previous investors did not pull out of the deal without reason…’

    ”The relationship with the previous equity partners did not work out, but the matter was closed on 28 June 2011 and we will not rehash or reopen that discussion”, de Klerk said.

    The closing line of the article states β€˜that John Mitchell and his team performed despite this is the amazing, yet slightly sad, side to the story’.

    The fact of the matter is that the team performed so well due to the stability and continuity experienced within the Lions. The coaching staff and players received support from management and administrators in every way possible, and the results speak for themselves.

    ”The new equity partners, in conjunction with the existing management, have made numerous changes within the Union’s structures and we are in a better position at the moment than we have been in quite some time. The Union is growing in both strength and stature and rumours such as these started by one individual can potentially undo much of the good work done over the past few months.

    ”This matter is now considered closed and until we have had formal discussions with our legal team on the way forward, we will not be commenting any further”, Mr. de Klerk concluded.”

    Source: Golden Lions Rugby Union Public Relations Officer

  • Comment 166, posted at 08.12.11 14:57:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I’d think that mitchell,spencer and assistants should be given credit for what transpired in the cc 😐

  • Comment 167, posted at 08.12.11 15:06:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • Well,I wouldve thought that

  • Comment 168, posted at 08.12.11 15:08:34 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : strangely I dont wear panties (tempting as that may be for some) and if i did they would not be in a twist πŸ˜‰ I simply pointed out that your last paragraph may be a dangerous way of putting your opinion – you have a right to freedom of expression but you cant say something that causes damage to someones reputation

  • Comment 169, posted at 08.12.11 15:11:10 by steve Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) :

    So that settles that then …

    Does it mean now we in a position to purchase F.Steyn πŸ˜€

  • Comment 170, posted at 08.12.11 15:11:19 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Strange how many outsiders rate frans steyn..yet his had a few harsh critics on here.guess how highly he is esteemed by supporters from other unions should say something re: the players ability?
    But I do know that overwhelming number of sharks fans want frans steyn back πŸ™‚

  • Comment 171, posted at 08.12.11 15:16:59 by bergshark Reply

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  • Forgot the apostrophe there..sometimes he makes one think he can do the job of two πŸ™‚

  • Comment 172, posted at 08.12.11 15:19:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) :
    Good to hear.

    @steve (Comment 159) :
    You can disagree if you want, but the law is pretty clear on this; cases like Bogoshi and Holomisa illustrate the use of the reasonableness defence, in addition to a defence like fair comment.

    The point is, take your own advice and be careful before you accuse anyone of wrongdoing.

  • Comment 173, posted at 08.12.11 15:31:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 170) : That, and there will still be enough left over to buy Jaque Fourie back, despite his new price tag! πŸ˜†

  • Comment 174, posted at 08.12.11 15:32:24 by Greg Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) : Now how stupid will de Klerk look if the Lions are bankrupt. Hope for their case all of this is just a rumour.

  • Comment 175, posted at 08.12.11 15:36:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 175) : Howzit Ben, not much time, but wanted to let you know I am OK and will send you a message soon. Hope all is well with you.

  • Comment 176, posted at 08.12.11 15:48:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 176) : Hey my Uncle. I’m great and yourself? Thanks for popping in and letting us know. Hope all is well that side.

  • Comment 177, posted at 08.12.11 15:54:46 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 175) :

    rememeber manie is no longer at the GLRU ..

  • Comment 178, posted at 08.12.11 15:56:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 178) : Nice cup!

  • Comment 179, posted at 08.12.11 16:03:45 by Greg Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 176) : Whoaw, sight for sore eyes!! Glad the mighty Bear is still alive and jiving!!

  • Comment 180, posted at 08.12.11 16:05:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • The Lions are seeking legal advice.

    WPs Tank Lanning is in trouble. πŸ™‚

    He will get fired by news24 and twitte this time. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 181, posted at 08.12.11 16:09:54 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 179) :

    its shiny is it not :mrgreen:

  • Comment 182, posted at 08.12.11 16:22:30 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I’ve finally figured this mess out. Tank Lanning got his information from a source instead of a sauce! Rookie mistake…

  • Comment 183, posted at 08.12.11 16:23:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 148) : Cheers, I know where you are coming from re the Natal team of old. BTW That 1980 win at Loftus was described by the ref, Steve Strydom ( I think it was) who was SA’s top ref at the time as the best provincial game that he had reffed.

  • Comment 184, posted at 08.12.11 16:32:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 173) : I am familiar with the decision in National Media v Bogoshi and the “reasonableness” test.
    You will also note that I used the word “probably” and would not presume to anticipate how a court would decide on what IMO is a complex area notwithstanding your assertion that it is clear in law. i also have no idea as to what information is available and consequently whether “truth” is a defence.
    in a later post i clarified for Rob that the point i wanted to make is that it could be a dangerous assertion to make in the form that it was made.
    IMO the assertion that an entity is not a “going concern” is one of the most damaging that could be made and one that could have very tangible consequences for that organisation.
    as i said earlier lets agree to disagree

  • Comment 185, posted at 08.12.11 16:34:43 by steve Reply

     
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 184) : 1980 was before my time. Is there anywhere I could read up on this match or could you briefly describe what happened.

    Altho I was still in primary school for a good part of the time that Natal was in the B-section, I remember those lousy years. + We weren’t much better at cricket for a good part of the 80s either. πŸ™

  • Comment 186, posted at 08.12.11 16:53:03 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 186) : I was also only a schoolboy then, distant memories of which most have faded. I remember listening to the game on the radio and catching 20 minute highlights on Topsport late on Monday night. I remember being on a cloud for days after the game….in those days Natal just did not and were never meant to beat Noord Transvaal.

    Some players I remember from those days Wynand Claasen, Dirk Hoffman, Ronnie Haarhof, Mort Mortassagne, Don Spiers, Tim Cocks (Who I think lost a boot in the game and scored a try), Pete Smith, Andre Botha, Wally Watt (the fisherman with long blonde hair)

    Maybe you should get Pete Smith, now with KZNRU, to recall the past and post here. Natal ended that year in third place after beating Tranvaal at Ellis Park with a last minute drop by Pete Smith.

    Did I mention Cliffie Brown, he was a wing, very quick and ran on twinkle toes. He was also a model and also had the distinction of beating Naas Botha in a kicking competition from different positions on the field.

    Its a bugger that the memory fades, but that was fun anyway.

  • Comment 187, posted at 08.12.11 17:38:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 187) : if memory serves Gus Ferguson played flyhalf in the game against NTvl in 1980 – Pete will be able to confirm that one way or another. The props were probably Bennie de Klerk and Mort. Bennie was one of the strongest guys around but he hated running and would have had a heart attack if someone passed him the ball and expected him to catch it. The key guy in that loose trio was the Ozzie docter Mark Loane who played on the side of the scrum to accomodate Wynand at 8 – an outstanding rugby player and man.

  • Comment 188, posted at 08.12.11 17:51:54 by steve Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 188) : @Salmonoid (Comment 187) : Some of the names ring a bell. Obviously Andre Botha was one of those players who never seemed to miss a game. Mort Mortassagne the prop who I always remember playing alongside Kearsney Old Boy Cliffie Hopkins. My fav Natal hooker of all times Rob Hankinson but I suspect he came after 1980. Ronnie Haarhoff is another player I remember but mainly for his time alongside Roche. Des McLean, Gawie Visagie and Craig Jameson were around when I started watching but again, I don’t think they would have played in 1980. Steyn Swart, Hugh Reece and Graham Hefer are other names I can think of off the top of my head. And I actually know Greg Hamilton, the centre who played in the famous CC semi-final win against Vrystaat. I still remember the score 26-11. Also the scrumcap flyhalf Henry Coxwell. I think all these guys were around for the B-section days. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 189, posted at 08.12.11 18:23:25 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 188) : What did you think of Tino Kankowski, Ryan’s father?

  • Comment 190, posted at 08.12.11 18:24:56 by beet Reply
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  • Did some checking re: natal vs ntvl 1980 @ loftus.
    First victory over ntvl in 41 years ..!!?
    First game ntvl had lost at home in 4 years and only their second defeat in 16 years at loftus..??!! The stats seem unreal ….

  • Comment 191, posted at 08.12.11 18:45:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: natal team vs free state cc semi final 1984
    15.Hugh reece-edwards 14.des maclean 13.ronnie haarhoff 12.greg hamilton 11.cobus aucamp 10.gawie visagie 9.craig jamieson 8.wynand claassen 7.derek la marque 5.chris faure 4.andre botha 6.peter edmunds 3.murray dawsom 2.rob hankinson 1.graham downes reserves:steyn swart bruce white gary rodwell and another name I can’t quite make out ( peter sch?t? ).

  • Comment 192, posted at 08.12.11 19:05:36 by bergshark Reply

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  • Reserve: 16.peter schats

  • Comment 193, posted at 08.12.11 19:10:11 by bergshark Reply

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  • 13.Greg hamilton 12 ronnie haarhoff 11.des maclean 14.cobus aucamp.
    Sorry,messed the numbers up :$

  • Comment 194, posted at 08.12.11 19:14:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 190) : Have you bought yoursself that Rugby game yet?

  • Comment 195, posted at 08.12.11 22:02:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 190) : A very good player.

  • Comment 196, posted at 09.12.11 07:04:59 by steve Reply

     
  • @beet (Comment 189) : I think Mort was a fair bit older than Cliffy Hopkins – my memory may be failing but I dont remember Mort playing much after the early 80’s.
    The props I associate with Mort’s time are guys like Bennie de Klerk and Wakka Basson. Cliffy Hopkins was more of the Murray Dawson and Basher Downes era. One of either Cliffy or Rob Hankinson threw the first punch against the Cavaliers in ’86.
    Rob Hankinson was post 1980 in Natal. After Michaelhouse he went down to Stellenbosch – he is one of very few players to play two years SA Schools (74-75).
    Gawie Visagie arrived in Dbn in ’81 (I think) but had played plenty of provincial rugby by then. He went on the bok tour to NZ that year and for some bizarre reason (along with Wynand) didnt/couldnt play in the promotion relegation game that resulted in Natal going down to the B section.
    Craig Jamieson (and Henry Coxwell) matriculated at College in ’89 so were both mid 80’s stalwarts along with guys like Jonny Roche who came to natal from UCT in about ’85. He was one of a bunch of Zimbo’s who played for natal in the mid to late 80’s – guys like Tony Watson, Alan Faber and Graham Hefer.
    There were also a string of guys from around the world who mostly played for DHS Old boys – the ozzies Dick Cocks, Mark Loane and Gary Pearce, Murray Mexted and a few other Kiwi’s as well as Jorge Allen the Argentine flank. Chris Butcher, who stayed out after the England tour in 1984, made a big impression at no8. England internationals Mike Teague and Peter Winterbottom also played for DHS OB’s that year. Winterbottom later played for Transvaal but I dont think he got a game for Natal.

  • Comment 197, posted at 09.12.11 07:53:45 by steve Reply

     
  • @JJR (Comment 54) : We dont want him.

  • Comment 198, posted at 09.12.11 08:01:43 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 71) : Not under PDV reign….I always felt he would give the green jersey very easily to any of the stormers.

  • Comment 199, posted at 09.12.11 08:07:59 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 199) :

    and the Bulls …

  • Comment 200, posted at 09.12.11 08:17:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) : Good for them..I do think Tank needs to start being construction in SA Rugby instead of destructive….honestly SuperSport is flooding us with Soccer and Golf and is is driving me mad…MORE RUGBY CHANNELS PLUUUEEASSEEE….

  • Comment 201, posted at 09.12.11 08:20:10 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 171) : beyond excited at being able to see him play regularly on home soil……Frans Steyn at 12, Pat Lambie at 10 and I think they need to bring JP Petersen into 13 (As good as he is, he is wasted in the wing IMO), then I think we would have an awesome mid field:), Not to mention that we will have Riaan at FB…yipee!

  • Comment 202, posted at 09.12.11 08:23:54 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • http://joffers19899.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-08T21_47_26-08_00

  • Comment 203, posted at 09.12.11 08:34:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Just a Fan: the 10/12 combo you mentioned has me excited.:-)
    Interesting re: jpp @13.think there is some merit in that.for one,jpp is strong on his feet.and plenty pace to make the outside break.
    but would jpp be willing to move to 13 ( considering he is springbok wing )?

  • Comment 204, posted at 09.12.11 09:38:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Just a Fan: and I’m with you on the rugby channel. Would be great to see all the cc games broadcast on ss ( they can still stream live at the one game if they want to ) but show that game on the tv as well.
    And more schools rugby.
    And also club rugby(everyone is lamenting the decline in club rugby numbers).
    And then some of the old games of years gone past ( just to refresh the memories again ).

  • Comment 205, posted at 09.12.11 09:46:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 204) : Yeah good point with Mossie covering 13…unless JPP proved to be better πŸ™‚

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