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Unlucky break for Olivier


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super Rugby on 11 Jan 2012 at 08:45
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Bulls centre Wynand Olivier has suffered a further injury setback, breaking a small bone in his wrist this past weekend.

Olivier, currently in rehab after off-season shoulder surgery, will see his unavailability extended for a further three weeks but should, according to Bulls team doctor Org Strauss, be available for the start of the Super Rugby campaign; one in which he will take on the vice captaincy. Loose forward Pierre Spies, who recently celebrated the birth of his first child, will act as captain.

Meanwhile, Bulls coach Frans Ludeke has confirmed that Francois Hougaard – seen by many as the heir apparent to Fourie du Preez’s Bok crown – will be used mostly in his preferred position of scrumhalf, that despite the presence of the more experienced Jano Vermaak in the squad. Hougaard has made many Super Rugby appearances at left wing in order to be accommodated in a starting line up that featured du Preez as first choice 9 and Ludeke did stress that, as a team man, the former WP age group player would be happy to fill in at wing again if required.


149 Comments

  • Timotei probably hurt himself styling his hair 😈

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.01.12 08:54:17 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Oh this IS a major setback. One area he really needs to improve is his handling and and now he’ll have less time to practise that. 😳

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.01.12 08:54:21 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • i cant see this being a setback for the bulls. Now Sadie and Venter will be able to play together. This is more a setback for the Sharks… 😯

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.01.12 08:56:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 3) : According to some sharks expert Francois Venter is slow 😯 yes slow he didn’t look slow to me when he kept breaking the line against snyman and erbershon last year . πŸ˜•

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.01.12 09:09:43 by Muzi Reply

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  • Oh, no I hope Timotei’s passing game hasn’t been affected LOL πŸ˜›

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.01.12 09:10:32 by CapeShark Reply
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  • If Olivier is unfit then our backline will look like this:

    9.Houggie πŸ˜€
    10.Morne πŸ˜€
    11.J-J πŸ˜€
    12.Venter πŸ˜€
    13.Sadie πŸ˜€
    14.Basson πŸ˜€
    15.Kirchner
    πŸ˜₯ spoiler alert guy

    Enough said

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.01.12 09:16:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • Or else if we are really really really that desperate we have Jan Serfontein πŸ™‚

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.01.12 09:18:32 by Muzi Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 3) : Agreed

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.01.12 09:35:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Now who is going to market the new Body on Tap?

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.01.12 09:45:23 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : That is a very youthful midfield. sadie is not know for his defence and missed a sizable number of tackles when he featured for the stormers.

    he is brilliant with ball in hand but with both him & venter as rookies the bulls might be a tad vulnerable. Super rugby is not Vodacom Cup.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.01.12 09:59:16 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 10) : come on! Don’t you read sharksworld? Venter is already good enough to play for the Boks. And Arno Botha too – as captain πŸ™‚

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.01.12 10:10:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : hehehe πŸ˜† funny guy.

    look, i know some guys here get off school boy rugby and think of themselves as experts but they can hype up their favourites all they want. the proof is always in the pudding when it comes to making the step up.

    there are a lot of examples of schoolboy folk heros who never quite made it but if you asked these sbr “experts” you’d get a whole day’s worth of hyperbolic stories.

    it is what it is.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.01.12 10:19:59 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 12) :

    am i allowed to say i agree with Megatron ?

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.01.12 10:21:54 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 4) :

    From what ive seen of Francois Venter he is a class act. Looks very strong, good distribution and solid defensively. I think they might play Wynand at 13 and I think that might be a better position for him. Olivier has struggled to play the crashball and distributive type game that is required of a 12 and i think he will do much better at 13. As for Serfontein, do you reckon he will get gametime in the Super 15 maybe as a wing?

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.01.12 10:25:19 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : Well, on this particular point I definitely do!

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.01.12 10:27:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : The problem is we read about so many youngsters who are said to be the next big thing since sliced white bread . and then just nothing happens .. Both cricket and rugby ..

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.01.12 10:32:58 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : And the forwards?

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.01.12 10:42:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 16) : I don’t blame anyone who gets excited about a youngster but in the same breath we’re endangering the careers of these youngsters when the excitement results in them being over-hyped. Making that step up is already tough enough without all the added expectations and pressures that are heaped on them.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.01.12 11:23:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : It places a lot of pressure on a young player . i personally think a few seasons of CC and SR is needed before making that call . You do get a few freaks of nature like a Frans Steyn . But thats really an exception to the rule.

    Plus what are you going to do when the next talented youngster comes along in 3 years time ? Drop the guy that was hyped up for the next hot thing ?

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.01.12 11:33:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 17) :
    I woulod pick this pack

    1.Dean Greyling
    2.Chilliboy
    3.Werner Kruger
    4.Flip
    5.Juandre
    6.Deon Steggman
    7.Jacques Potgieter
    8.Spieeeessssssss πŸ˜†

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.01.12 12:01:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : well, ill take the Venter/Sadie combo anytime over a dippenaar/olivier combo… 😈

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.01.12 12:04:41 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 14) : Jan Serfontein will be playing for the Junior Boks at inside centre.

    Sharks experts must brace themselves Jordaan will jol at wing. πŸ™‚

    Dries Swanepoel has serious long term injury πŸ™ i doubt our beloved Meyer will rush Jan in the Currie Cup side.

    At the moment as we speak jan and his grey college are at Bloem on camp with the Bulls Under 19 coaches.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.01.12 12:07:10 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 16) : Piet Lindeque πŸ™‚

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.01.12 12:09:04 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 23) : Who ?

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.01.12 12:12:49 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : “The problem is we read about so many youngsters who are said to be the next big thing since sliced white bread . and then just nothing happens…..” = Piet Lindeque

    Enough said πŸ™‚

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.01.12 12:16:03 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 25) : as i recall stephan dippenaar aswell??

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.01.12 12:22:08 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 10) :

    Some say Paul the bushmaster Jordaan is seen as the next Danie Gerber 😯

    Enough said

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.01.12 12:23:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 26) :

    DUDE 3/4 of the Bulls team is over Hyped πŸ˜›

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.01.12 12:23:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 28) Again this spoiler alert cub πŸ™‚

    Sure zibbie you have won the currie cup. πŸ˜‰

    We already know half the lions side will be boks come june ppfffttt. πŸ™„

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.01.12 12:29:52 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 12) : agree πŸ™‚

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.01.12 12:34:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 29) :

    never said that did i .. πŸ˜›

    Thinking Taute (if he has a good SR season) and MAYBE Elton (If we have a good SR season). Other than that … no

    but also i dont see Elton and Taute playing in the same Bok Team . Why ? Lambie ..

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.01.12 12:35:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 31) : Josh Strauss maybe?

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.01.12 12:39:30 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 32) : average that beard is not even that scary πŸ™‚

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.01.12 12:41:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 12) : I think you’re trying too hard to stereotype SBR fans. πŸ™‚

    Truth is SBR has a huge following. On a typical Saturday during the season here in KZN, there will be more interest focused on 4-5 venues than there is seating capacity at the Mandela Bay stadium. Many of the bigger school teams nationally enjoy more support than the EP Kings.

    The school teams become more and more professional by the year as they attempt to mimic senior pro teams. This includes the fields of marketing and media exposure.

    Being a follower doesn’t make you a so-called expert neither does it make you weirdo, which I’m worried you may be implying. πŸ™‚

    I agree that being a good age-group player isn’t by any means a guarantee for success later on, depending on how one defines success in terms of rugby. I also agree that overhyping players isn’t a good thing but praising youngsters for their achievements/abilities isn’t neces. a bad thing at all.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.01.12 12:41:57 by beet Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 31) : yes you DID. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.01.12 12:48:25 by Muzi Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 32) :

    I think he makes a big difference to the team as a captain . It seems he helps the team lift the game a bit .

    Dont think he is average by any means . think there might be some players that are a bit better then him though .

    Minnie as well isint to bad . is he better than Brussouw ? if Brussouw gets injured we might find out πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.01.12 12:54:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 36) : Minnie bwahahahahahaha minnie OMG!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.01.12 12:57:12 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 37) : At least he is better than all the bulls loose forwards 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.01.12 13:01:37 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 38) :i’m sorry to say this but that comment is actually stupid. πŸ˜•

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.01.12 13:07:19 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 35) :

    haha .. they only guys i ever mentioned where Taute and Elton ..

    And i think Taute is closer than Elton (thinking Taute 15 and Lambie 10)

    Bondisio is no where near the Bok team .. Van Heerden and Doppies neither . Franco VD Merwe neither .

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.01.12 13:08:44 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 40) : I would rather they all played in the red and white anyway!
    Lions rugby is far more important than Bok rugby.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.01.12 13:12:07 by Greg Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 37) :

    is that why the Bulls made him and Josh an offer ?

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.01.12 13:12:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 40) :

    I reckon Jantjies and Taute will be involved in some way, whether that be starting or in the squad. I think Strauss has a good chance and if Roodt can get properly conditioned, which he will im sure, he could be a surprise package particularly under the tutelage of Ackermann. Minnie, i would have as backup to Brussouw, he still has a lot of growing to do but i think he could be a class player in another year or so.
    Also watch the two young Maties guys coming through, Stephan Greef and Callie Visagie who i think could be very good youngsters.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.01.12 13:12:50 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 40) : ok ok ok i get it geez. :mrgreen:

    Um my 10 would be Goosen not lambie. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.01.12 13:13:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • 1.Dean Greyling
    2.Chilliboy
    3.Werner Kruger
    4.Flip
    5.Juandre
    6.Deon Steggman
    7.Jacques Potgieter
    8. Spies
    9.Houggie
    10.Morne
    11.J-J
    12.Venter
    13.Sadie
    14.Basson
    15.Kirchner

    Viljoen, JP, Joubert, Bosman, Mvovo, Lambie, Michalak, Kankowski, Coetzee, Bresler, Deysel, Keegan, Jannie, Bismarck, Beast.

    Looks pretty even so far. If you bring home ground advantage and Marius Jonker or Craig Joubert into the mix as well the bulls should well be favourites.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.01.12 13:15:27 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 34) :don’t be paranoid now. πŸ™„ stay in your lane. i’m not implying anything. if you pick up any inferences in my post, then maybe the shoe fits. πŸ™‚

    @Muzi (Comment 27) : i know! go to Bishops and they can’t stop talking about Nick Koster, go to Queens and they refer to Lionel Cronje as the “white Peter Mkata” and can’t stop talking about him.

    go to Dale and they still go on about the like of Thobela Mdaka and Andile Jho (who even has a rugby weekend named after him)

    etc etc.

    schoolboy rugby is but the genesis of a long journey imo and NOT a destination on it’s own.

    but that’s just me.

    i love american college basketball and have done so for many years, when allen iverson enrolled at georgetown in 95/96 i was very excited, he broke many scoring records as a point guard but i was more of a fan of his when he translated that talent to a decade-long career in the NBA, with highlights as MVP and and All-Star MVP.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.01.12 13:17:19 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 43) : How tall is greef ?

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.01.12 13:17:36 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 41) :

    True True !! hehe . the hater be hating πŸ˜†

    @Pat (Comment 43) :

    The fact is they need to have a good season in SR before anything else happens . But i believe the Lions can move up . Do a bit better then last year . Slowly but surely were moving in the right directions

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.01.12 13:18:03 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : you can have andile jho back. πŸ˜‰

    Put him in that brand new academy you guys are building.

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.01.12 13:19:42 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 44) :

    you see . walking him into the Bok team before 1 microsecond of SR … its just not right πŸ˜›

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.01.12 13:21:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 42) : i’m not hating its the truth Minnie will make the bok jersey look cheap. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.01.12 13:22:15 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 22) : in 2008 this team lost 18-26 to england in the semi-finals. how many of these players have made the step up to senior rugby successfully?

    getting excited over who makes the baby boks and where jordaan will play is just inane really, unless your sole focus is really on SBR

    2008 SA Under-20 squad:
    Cecil Africa (Griffons), Henry Bantjes (Blue Bulls), Francois Brummer (Blue Bulls), Juan de Jong (Western Province), Stefan Dippenaar (Blue Bulls), Robert Ebersohn (Free State), Dewaldt Duvenage (Boland), Corne Fourie (Blue Bulls), Cornel Hess (Blue Bulls), Wiehahn Herbst (Natal), Francois Hougaard (Blue Bulls), Frederick Kirsten (Blue Bulls), Nick Koster (Western Province), Luvuyiso Lusaseni (Natal), Lionel Mapoe (Free State), Martin Muller (Western Province), Thiliphatu Marole (Natal), Sabelo Nhlapo (Natal), Wilton Pietersen (Free State), Jean Rossouw (Western Province), Omphile Seabela (Blue Bulls), Pieter-Willem van Vuuren (Free State), Johan van Deventer (Golden Lions), Gerrit-Jan van Velze (Blue Bulls), Stefan Watermeyer (Blue Bulls), Vainon Willis (Blue Bulls

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.01.12 13:24:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 50) : its transitional time we know what lambie offers Goosen is the complete package. πŸ˜‰

    enough said :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.01.12 13:25:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 51) :

    dont worry .. Zane Kirchner beat him to that ..

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.01.12 13:25:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 49) : Muzi you were a Lions supporter and jumped ship when the bulls started winning. you know nothing about “building” anything. there was nothing here in the EC and we know we won’t have a WORLD CLASS academy in 3 years, so your derision betrays who you really are, a glory hunter πŸ˜†

    lunch…

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.01.12 13:28:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : my focus is on shoolboy rugby and the bulls.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.01.12 13:29:00 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 55) : did you have to give me a list of all the sa under 20 players πŸ˜•

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.01.12 13:32:56 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 55) : under cheeky watson your academy will go nowhere. πŸ™‚

    enough said about the watsons.

    i’m out πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.01.12 13:36:31 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 55) :

    Man .. your good … i bow to yeh Master !!!! πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.01.12 13:45:19 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : I don’t follow basketball closely, but Iverson can PLAY!

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.01.12 13:56:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 51) : @Zibbie (Comment 54) : I see your Zane Kirchner and raise you Deon Stegmann. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.01.12 14:18:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 58) : just kidding muesli πŸ˜† just a bit o’ banter

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.01.12 14:28:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 60) : yeah AI was superstar, i remember in his sophomore year when he dropped 44pts against the chicago bulls while being guarded by His Airness, MICHAEL JORDAN ❗ the boy had a killer crossover and crazy vertical jump for a guy who is 6ft.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.01.12 14:32:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 22) : Was hoping to see Serfontein at 13. Think we need him there to look after England U20 centre Elliott Daly who are been in very good form for Wasps in the AP. check this try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pak5t9N0zk

    The other guy to watch is the Worcester Warriors No8, Matt Kvecic who has had a good season

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.01.12 14:40:28 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 47) : You’re right. No point being oversensitive if you want to be a blogger πŸ™‚

    @Megatron (Comment 52) : just about every fan here at SW gets excited about which players should start in what positions for the Sharks and who should be captain and what Plum should focus on doing or not doing. It’s probably the same on every other rugby site as well. You can’t say that just one aspect of it is inane when so many others are doing the exact same thing. It’s part of the experience, the joy of being a fan πŸ™‚

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.01.12 14:41:09 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 51) :

    Starting the year early with your trash talk .. Give me Minnie over Spies and Stegman any day of the week. You wear your blinkers soo well in your baby blues. πŸ™„

    What has Goosen done …Squat !

    The bulls chances have increased with this setback ..hell atleast the ball should get to the wings occasionally.

    Nonetheless a speedy recovery to the man.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.01.12 15:00:50 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 65) : be joyous to your heart’s content πŸ˜† it’s only just my opinion after all.

    when serfontein’s getting the starting berth @ baby boks is overtly used to extrapolate how he must be better than jordaan, then it gets inane.

    i expressed the same opinion when it was done with marcel coetzee & siya kolisi, so u can’t fault my consistency πŸ˜€

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.01.12 15:06:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 20) : hey budy ,id drop your 6 and 7 ,make room for arno botha and keep Dewald Potis on the other flank . I think they would compliment eachother well, I dont like raving about junior players but that arno botha is a class act ,perhaps not ready for super rugga yet but who knows.

    And id also look at louis Fouche ,that kid could be groomed into the best fly half this country could offer ,if the bulls dont curb his creativity.

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.01.12 15:32:59 by Talent Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : I know it’s just an opinion, that’s what we’re all doing here, expressing our opinions.

    I might be wrong but last week when you stated that Barritt wasn’t good enough, I think you used the same argument, namely 2 other England players picked ahead of him by the national coach, now you’re saying that line of thinking is “inane” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.01.12 15:33:19 by beet Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : What I like about him is the fact that in NBA terms he’s quite small and physically unimposing, and yet, I think he’s second only to Micheal Jordan in terms of average points scored per game. Not sure if that last stat is 100% accurate, but it’s something like that, which is pretty impressive.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.01.12 15:40:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 69) : NO! the extrapolation here is that serfontein might be a better player or might even have a more successful career than jordaan, which is why i say being selected to the BABY BOKS means nothing in the big scheme of things. INANE

    Barritt on the other hand is a PROFESSIONAL that someone here claimed should have BEEN a Bok, i refuted that CLAIM by showing him how he is not even making the ENGLAND squad, which is the highest level any English player aspires to, there’s no other level above that to step up to.

    see the difference? πŸ˜‰

    nice try though

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.01.12 15:43:33 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 70) : yeah AI punched above his weight, he was fearless and a scorer even though most of the time the point guard should look to draw & dish with AI you never knew he sommer went in for the dunk πŸ˜†

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.01.12 15:52:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 72) : Help me out here. Round the time of the Dream Team, there was this diminutive (less than 6 foot) guy playing point guard in the NBA; I’m tempted to say for Phoenix or Detroit, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Can’t remember his name. Any ideas?

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.01.12 15:55:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 71) :

    I have to disagree, being selected for the Baby Boks is very important and is one of the most prestigious opportunities for a younger player. Certainly it is important not to overhype players, particularly schoolboys as they can play with much classier players who make them look better and also plenty of other things can change. However, every National Team should be feed by their juniors.
    Did you manage to watch the Jake White era? He built his team upon mostly 2 Baby Bok sides. The team from 1999 and also the team from 2002.

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.01.12 15:58:15 by Pat Reply

     
  • @beet (Comment 69) : England 6 Nations squad 2012

    Squad:

    Forwards – M Botha (Saracens), C Clark (Northampton Saints), A Corbisiero (London Irish), D Cole (Leicester Tigers), T Croft (Leicester Tigers), L Deacon (Leicester Tigers), P Dowson (Northampton Saints), D Hartley (Northampton Saints), C Lawes (Northampton Saints), J Marler (Harlequins), L Mears (Bath Rugby), B Morgan (Scarlets), T Palmer (Stade Francais), C Robshaw (Harlequins), M Stevens (Saracens), R Webber (London Wasps), D Wilson (Bath Rugby), T Wood (Northampton Saints).

    Backs – C Ashton (Northampton Saints), B Barritt (Saracens, M Brown (Harlequins), L Dickson (Northampton Saints), O Farrell (Saracens), T Flood (Leicester Tigers), B Foden (Northampton Saints), C Hodgson (Saracens), J Simpson (London Wasps), C Sharples (Gloucester Rugby), D Strettle (Saracens), M Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), J Turner-Hall (Harlequins), B Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.01.12 16:05:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 71) :

    In the grand scheme of things the Baby Boks are pretty significant

    The following Boks played Baby Bok rugby

    15 Steyn 2005-2006
    14 JP Pieterson – 2006
    13 Jacques Fourie – could easily have played but surpassed the team and went straight into the seniors
    12 Jean De Villers – 2002
    11 Bryan Habana – 2004
    10 Morne Steyn 2005
    09 Ruan Pienaar – 2004/05
    08 Pierre Spies – 2006
    07 Schalk Burger – 2003 Captain
    06 Juan Smith – 2002
    05 Andries Bekker 2004
    04 Flip vd Merwe – 2004
    03 Jannie Du Pless – dont think so
    02 Bismarck – 2005
    01 Beast – ineligible

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.01.12 16:06:57 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) : John Stockton, Utah Jazz. The king of assists.

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.01.12 16:07:35 by beet Reply
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  • @Culling Song: john stockton?? Played with karl malone at the utah jazz.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.01.12 16:08:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 77) : either that or Gary Patton or Jason Kidd

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.01.12 16:10:48 by beet Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 74) : i think what is trying to say is that if you get selected for the baby boks it does not automatically mean you are going to be a successful rugby player . out of the list of names he produced about 2 made it to the boks . about 5 are doing well on provincial level.

    I agree with this . being selected for the baby boks does not mean automatic selection for the Snr boks (or even a SR team for this matter) .

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.01.12 16:11:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet: some player!

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.01.12 16:11:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) : was it Muggsy Bouges? πŸ˜€

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.01.12 16:11:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 77) : stockton wasn’t THAT short, damn he could throw a bounce pass. all you heard from the commentator was

    “stockton to malone” πŸ˜›

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.01.12 16:13:22 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pat: quite of the point,but you need to incl brussow in that team.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.01.12 16:13:53 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 80) :

    No one said playing for the Baby Boks is automatic selection into the boks or professional rugby and NO WAY should it be. He said it was irrelevant ” in the grand scheme of things” which is incorrect as plenty of the current springboks have played Baby Bok rugby which is what i would term the grand scheme of things. The problem is he only mentioned a squad of 2008 and omits to mention all the other squads, including the 2002 and 1999 and 2005 squads which have been very successful.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.01.12 16:15:56 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Megatron (Comment 71) : Now that you’ve elaborated the “when serfontein’s getting the starting berth @ baby boks is overtly used to extrapolate how he must be better than jordaan, then it gets inane” part, I get where you’re coming from.

    Initially with the Barritt thing it seemed like a 2 sides same coin ploy.

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.01.12 16:20:52 by beet Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 12) : are you a tweep ? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.01.12 16:23:47 by Muzi Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 64) : The baby boks have a couple of warm up matches this month in stellenbosch.

    We should know by the end of the month where Paul Jordaan is playing.But i know Dawie wants Serfontein at 12.

    I guess William Small Smith and Jordaan will fight it out for the 13 position.

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.01.12 16:26:15 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 80) : Thanks Zibbie πŸ™‚

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.01.12 16:27:57 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 66) : We will see whose talking trash when Johann Goosen steps up.
    Bring it on i love it how the poor lions supporters are attacking Muzi left and right it does not bother me that much anyway. πŸ™‚

    priceless hehe

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.01.12 16:30:02 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 88) : I thought Serfontein was a 13 not a 12. Wonder why he is being played out of position? Dont agree with this move. Looking at the bigger picture aren’t we short of quality outside centres?

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.01.12 16:30:11 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 86) : keep track, i know muesli posts a lot but you have to check what i was replying to πŸ˜€

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.01.12 16:32:49 by Megatron Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 91) : Jan Serfontein played Wing and Inside Centre at Grey.

    But i agree with you concerning the lack of depth at 13.

    If i was Dawie Thereon i would pick this backline.

    9.Rudi Van Rooyen
    10.Johann Goosen
    11.Travis Ismael
    12.Paul Jordaan
    13.William Small Smith
    14.Jan Serfontein
    15.Craig Barry

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.01.12 16:36:11 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 92) : i asked you if you are a tweep bro ?

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.01.12 16:37:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 92) : The name is Muzi grrrrrrr 😈

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.01.12 16:37:37 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 93) : my bad. He looks like he could jol at 13. Good hands, impressive frame and lots of pace to burn. I wouldn’t stick Jordaan at wing which is what I heard Dawie was keen to do. Hopefully we don’t see players played out of position

  • Comment 96, posted at 11.01.12 16:38:55 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 96) : He played 13 at Kearsney fest in 2010 when WS-Smith was out injured and was just about MotM in the crunch Monnas game, so he has jolled there and done a good job.

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.01.12 16:43:33 by beet Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 96) : @beet (Comment 97) : do you think the serfontein and jordaan combo can work.

    I think it would be lethal imho.

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.01.12 16:47:51 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 98) : that would be my combo – Serfontein at 13 Jordaan at 12. Since Jordaan has played 10 he could take the pressure off whoever will play there. Makes a massive difference. Hopefully Dawie is reading the forum :mrgreen:

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.01.12 16:50:36 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 99) : I do not think Goosen will struggle like Brendan Venter said he is the general.

    They must give Dawie the you tube clip showing jordaan scoring that breathtaking try against england in 2010.

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.01.12 16:53:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 83) : It took me a while to remember his name but of the not so well known players, Antonio McDyess was my fav. I loved the way he dunked. I also liked the sort of chubby 3 pt specialist from the Magic Dennis Scott???. I was pretty much on the Chicago Bulls bandwagon tho. Thought Jordan was the greatest and was amazed by the no. of rebounds that Rodman was able to claim. I liked Jason Kidd. He used to play for the Suns then and was always very creative. Hated Stockton.

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.01.12 16:53:25 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 94) : no i’m not Mues.

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.01.12 16:53:44 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 102) : ayt man

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.01.12 16:55:54 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 100) : that was a top side step! If i was Dawie I’d be watching video footage of any England U20 players. Beating them is the key.

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.01.12 16:56:06 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 99) : Big if but if Serfontein does play 13, it will be to accommodate Jho at 12 methinks.

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.01.12 16:56:13 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: can you remeber the name of the player who died the morning after (?) The nba draft (1986?)? Was touted as a better talent than jordan.he was all the hype of college basketball when he was playing.

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.01.12 16:57:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 105) : No way Jho can play. Didnt he lost his starting place in the U19s to Bosch? Im all for Jordaan to play 12. Dont think he should be put on the wing.

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.01.12 16:59:02 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet: heard of the 7’7 350 pounder playing college basketball?

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.01.12 17:00:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 107) : chris bosch is betther than jho.

    Jho is flat footed he can not step he runs straight he plays like a wynand olivier.

    I’ve lost faith in jho :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.01.12 17:02:23 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 101) : yeah McDyess had killer dunks, him, shawn kemp, chris webber could really throw it down!

    yeah 3D was nice from the arch..if that Magic team had stuck together they could’ve won a championship at least Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott add a powerforward in there and a sixth man who can score and voila.

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.01.12 17:03:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Muzi: any idea when mbovane will play again?

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.01.12 17:14:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 111) : i have no idea sir.

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.01.12 17:21:46 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi:okay,thanks.

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.01.12 17:25:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • Just to change topic slightly, no chance of Ruan Pienaar returning to the Sharks anytime soon. Just extended his 2 year deal with Ulster Rugby team till 2014.

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.01.12 17:52:52 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Megatron (Comment 89) :

    haha . 😈 sure Boss

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.01.12 18:05:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 77) : It’s not John Stockton. Stockton was a Dream Team member, and white. This guy was black, and not a Dream Team player. Man, this is gonna bug me

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.01.12 18:43:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 116) : Nick van Exel LA Lakers???

    Sure it wasn’t Gary “the glove” Payton

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.01.12 19:19:15 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 117) : Wasn’t Magic Johnson the Lakers’ point guard?

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.01.12 20:53:16 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 117) : it was Nick van Exel I was thinking of, thanks! Really enjoyed watching him

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.01.12 20:57:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 90) :

    Ahhh didums … Did you even watch a single match last year in which Minnie played in ..?

    As for Goosen I have no doubt the boy is talented ..but he like the likes of Lambie and Jantjies had to prove themselves over a season or 2 in SR .. he shined in a few CC games thats it ..lets see how he goes this season …

    Anyhow I get that you bull supporters are very sensitive given the mass exodous of your top players and clearly are nervous for the season ahead …I hope its a better year for your team.

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.01.12 07:56:18 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 120) :

    Hopefully our boys can do the talking on the pitch !!! we wait .. and we see

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.01.12 08:13:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 121) :

    Yip ..another SR season looms and will we end last again ..???time will tell I guess.

    Dunno if u heard Jantjies has broken a bone in his hand and is out for the opening warm-up matches .. πŸ™

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 122) :

    i did yes . not sure how long he is out for ? you recon he will make the Kings game ?

    Saw CJ is out of it as well

  • Comment 123, posted at 12.01.12 08:49:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 123) : And Waylon, he will be out for a while πŸ˜₯

  • Comment 124, posted at 12.01.12 08:55:37 by Greg Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 123) :

    Not sure .. it will b a blow if its more serious than reported ..as for CJ I reckon it will be a while ..grion ops are difficult to come back from quickly.

    My heart however goes out to Waylon ..poor chap is having bad luck ..some slip in his kitchen .. πŸ™„

    And as it stands our depth is close to nil …

  • Comment 125, posted at 12.01.12 08:57:59 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 125) :

    we have doppies and Hollenbach at senter . then backup is Mapoe and Butch can play there as well . but i agree . would be better if Murray is fit and ready to play

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 122) : @Zibbie (Comment 123) : and Waylon.

  • Comment 127, posted at 12.01.12 09:03:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 124) :

    aprantly acourding to waylons twitter : I have not INJURED MY KNEE and I’m almost back to running , these rumours going around that I have re injured my knee are NOT TRUE #RT

  • Comment 128, posted at 12.01.12 09:03:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 127) :

    Refresh before you comment, dammit! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 12.01.12 09:04:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 128) :

    Interesting … twitter old faithful..I hope its not true he was looking good before his injury.

    @Zibbie (Comment 126) :

    I’d like to see Mapoe at 13 with Hollenbach on his inside ..

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 129) :

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    @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 130) :

    i dont think we can drop Doppies atm . he is an extra fetcher . helps alot .

  • Comment 131, posted at 12.01.12 09:10:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 131) :

    Clean forgot about Doppies ..my bad ..yea it would bode well if he continues his good form into the SR season ..

    I cant help but think the Sharks did the right thing in withdrawing from the neo-series ..

    This warm -up series is not neccesary if you consider how long the season is going to be ..a couple of injuries in key positions and we sit with major problems ..

  • Comment 132, posted at 12.01.12 09:14:13 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 132) :

    i think its a good opportunity to give our back up players a chance to play . Ross and Guy Cronje . Also guys like Mapoe coming back from injury .

    Also the new guys to get a chance to fit into the team . Im interested to see how a guy like Hendrik Roodt goes.

  • Comment 133, posted at 12.01.12 09:22:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 133) :

    True ..looking forward to see Roodt in action ..we need a good back-up at lock … we also have Snyman so should be okay.

    Jury is out on the Cronje brothers ..

  • Comment 134, posted at 12.01.12 09:25:35 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Elton Jantjies out of Neo Africa series. Broken bone in his hand.

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 134) :

    Snyman was released . Think he is at the Kings now .

  • Comment 136, posted at 12.01.12 09:28:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 136) :

    You sure ..I was under the impression it was Bullbring we released ..?

  • Comment 137, posted at 12.01.12 09:29:52 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 137) :

    Both of them . Yea have him on Facebook . 100 % sure

  • Comment 138, posted at 12.01.12 09:32:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 138) :

    oh dear ..makes no sense I rated Snyman … some serious clean-out then .. Oh well in Mitchell we trust 😎

  • Comment 139, posted at 12.01.12 09:36:20 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok πŸ˜‰ (Comment 139) :

    its a rather long list of players that where let go .

    Walter venter
    George Earl
    Bullring
    Henno Mentz
    buzkit
    Burton Francis
    Renaldo Bothma

  • Comment 140, posted at 12.01.12 09:40:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 119) : van Exel was running point for LA in the mid-nineties not in the dream team era, Magic was running the show then.

    Nick had skills – a bit of flash too – but was not consistant and got flustered in tight games.

    watch out for this kid Derrick Rose, he is something special.

  • Comment 141, posted at 12.01.12 10:30:22 by Megatron Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 101) : On the Bulls bandwagon, and hated Stockton? You must’ve been a Scotty Pippen fan then, I assume…?

  • Comment 142, posted at 12.01.12 10:40:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 141) : Yeah well, as I said, I was never that clued up with basketball, so forgive me my errors :mrgreen: I like van Exel because the first time I saw him he looked kind of out of place; this tiny dude among these giants, which appealed to me. Also, as a casual spectator the flash aspect was obviously entertaining. Admittedly though, no match for the insane rabbit-from-a-hat, bamboozle-and-bedazzle passes that Magic could string together.

  • Comment 143, posted at 12.01.12 10:43:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 143) : it’s cool man, i was a mad b-ball fanatic in the early 90’s too, got national colours for it and then sort of stopped after varsity. i play socially now.

    i always thought the natal teams were the most well coached and balanced teams in SA, john lopes – the american coach at UKZN – was very good. it was always a mission playing against the likes of craig gilchrist and michael kotze.

    good times

  • Comment 144, posted at 12.01.12 11:05:19 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 144) : OK, now you’ve just lost me. The sum total of my knowledge of SA basketball is more or less on par with my knowledge of the reproductive habits of sea urchins; I’m aware it happens, but know nothing about the how and when. :mrgreen:

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 145) : πŸ˜† lmao! πŸ˜›

  • Comment 146, posted at 12.01.12 11:46:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 144) : What team did you play for. I remember the 1 and only game I of basketball I’ve ever watched live was a national league game at UWD. Craig G was in the Natal team but they were beaten by a Cape Town outfit who had this balding 3-point specialist. I was impressed by how physical the game was and the strategy involved. It’s something that doesn’t come thru that well on TV.

    @Culling Song (Comment 142) : Yes I liked Pippin as well. The Bulls also had a Yugoslavian player regarded as the best 6th man in the game and they were coached by the legendard Jackson. Funnily enough my entire knowledge of NBA basketball is limited to the period you asked about. I watched a show called Inside the NBA and enjoyed highlights packages but I don’t think I ever made it thru watching an entire game. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 147, posted at 12.01.12 12:23:43 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 147) : I also used to watch Inside the NBA at around the same time, so my knowledge is pretty much also limited to that era. I’ve watched a few games, but basketball for me is a sport of spectacular moments that are often surrounded by a lot of tedium. B-ball and highlights packages go hand-in-glove, in my opinion :mrgreen:

  • Comment 148, posted at 12.01.12 12:45:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 147) : Egoli Magic, yeah that’s what a lot of people don’t get about ball. it is physical. i quite enjoyed watching the Kwazulu Marlins when they had Canadian Meyrick Palmer playing for them, he was electric.

    enough reminiscing.

  • Comment 149, posted at 12.01.12 12:57:33 by Megatron Reply

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