Howard added to Baby Bok squad

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 18 Jan 2012 at 08:24
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Former Michaelhouse centre Pat Howard has been called up to the SA Under 20 squad following a number of injury withdrawals. The squad is currently attending a 2-week training camp in Stellenbosch.

Western Province centre Kobus van Wyk (back) and Golden Lions scrumhalf Vian van der Walt (ankle) have both been forced to withdraw through injury, opening the door for Howard, who excelled at Craven Week for KZN before opting to join the Western Province junior structures after school.

Dawie Theron will put his charges through their paces against Ikeys this weekend and Maties next weekend as he attempts to find the perfect mix to contest the IRB Junior World Championship later this year.



  • Comment 1, posted at 18.01.12 08:39:24 by dizzy Reply
  • @dizzy (Comment 1) : How many threads are you going to post this on?

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.01.12 09:25:09 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • You have to love the subjectivity of the websites. πŸ˜†

    Sharksworld – Former Michaelhouse center….

    Tank 24 – WP center…..


  • Comment 3, posted at 18.01.12 09:26:53 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 3) : πŸ˜›

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.01.12 09:32:24 by Franshark Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 3) :

    It’s what makes us unique..

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.01.12 09:34:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : It certainly makes US unique in being the only website that clearly states who we support. The others are all nuetral sites and then once you read them for a while you see who they actually support. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.01.12 09:44:34 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • Is Howard a 13 or 12?
    This is why we need to have varsity cup rugby in kzn πŸ™
    But,maties is a nice place to study.

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.01.12 09:52:39 by bergshark Reply

  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 6) :

    We don’t feel the need to hide anything..

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.01.12 09:58:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 7) : He can play both and was even used as a wing for the SA u18. WP u19 have used him mainly at 13 this season with Kobus v Wyk at 12.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.01.12 10:20:56 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: thanks for the info.then the sharks must work now to ensure he comes back to kzn.any idea how long his contract runs for down in the weepee?

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.01.12 10:23:15 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : Not sure how long but he’s now on a good wicket down there. I think if he’s patient and performs well, he’ll make the WP team in a couple of years time – he has all the attributes to become a good modern day centre at top level.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.01.12 10:28:42 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) :

    Why bring him back if he wanted to leave?

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.01.12 10:36:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • well done for making the team πŸ™‚

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.01.12 10:46:49 by chaz Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson: well he was only 18 when he decided to leave..and he had to think of maybe a degree also ( a life outside of rugby).
    But people leave for all kinds of reasons..doesn’t mean it should be kept against them forever..this is the professional era after all.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.01.12 10:48:37 by bergshark Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : Because if it moves and wears a Rugby Jersey the Sharks must buy it. πŸ˜› You should know that by now. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.01.12 10:49:04 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 14) :

    And what about the players who moved to the Sharks, plying their trade here, should they now be sold or just left out to dry.

    Keep it in the Union, give our own youngsters a chance..

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.01.12 10:51:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 15) :

    I really should learn, but sometimes I cannot help myself..

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.01.12 10:52:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) :
    agree with that saying

    Keep it in the Union, give our own youngsters a chance..


  • Comment 18, posted at 18.01.12 10:58:18 by chaz Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson: but he is “one of our youngsters”..
    I’m not going to be so petty and say: no,you left the sharks (for whatever reasons),now you not welcome back – ever again!

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.01.12 11:04:31 by bergshark Reply

  • @Richard ferguson: you can recall that both henry honiball and andre joubert (absolute legends of sharks rugby),decided to go to the free state university..and play for free state..?guess we couldve done without those two in the 90’s πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.01.12 11:11:41 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 20) :

    But have you seen this oke play, or are you basing this purely on the fact that he has been selected for the Baby Boks?

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.01.12 11:45:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson:Didn’t you watch cw rugby in 2010?

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.01.12 12:06:04 by bergshark Reply

  • Although I needed beet to remind me if he was 12 or 13 (mr:green).

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.01.12 12:07:57 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 22) : Any reason why you don’t use the standard reply functionality on the SW website? So difficult to follow conversations when you don’t

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.01.12 12:12:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin: sorry ’bout that,but I’m blogging from my bb.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.01.12 12:16:05 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 25) :

    You can just click on the reply button, I also reply via by BB

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.01.12 12:24:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 25) : I’m not on a BB but I had issues using the reply arrow initially because my cursor would keep skipping over the “target” area, once I got the hang of it it made things a LOT easier.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.01.12 12:51:43 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • Good luck to him. Hopefully he’ll be back in black once he is the real deal!

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.01.12 13:09:08 by King Shark Reply
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  • Guys – some facts about Patrick Howard and his history with the Sharks:
    1. Played three Craven Weeks for KZN : U13 age group and two senior 2009 and 2010
    2. Michaelhouse first team for three years: grades 10, 11, 12. (Considered by some schoolboy player of the year in KZN 2010)
    3. SA U18 2010 (played all three matches – France, Namibia and England at centre and wing.)
    In spite of KZN history and being part of the Sharks high performance setup for 5-years while at Michaelhouse there was never an offer forthcoming from the Sharks. After his performance at the 2010 Craven Week, contracts were offered from WP, Bulls and SA 7’s (still nothing from Sharks).
    BTW: Before signing with WP after Craven Week 2010, a β€˜concerned’ Shark contacted Gavin Melville and asked him whether the Sharks had plans for Patrick Howard. The response (I’m told) was …”Patrick who…?” Go figure…. Link to some WP U19 action from 2011……

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.01.12 13:14:08 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 29) : Now that is the kind of thing that’ll get me all riled up!

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.01.12 13:20:46 by King Shark Reply
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  • @KSAShark:thanks.seems as if not all the comment on a thread wants to load though on the standard version πŸ™ I’m back on mobile version.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.01.12 13:21:31 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 29) :

    Thanks for the info Micky..

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.01.12 13:23:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Micky: so you saying the sharks never approached him in any way??

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.01.12 13:23:50 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky: @King Shark: now it would seem as if there is a serious lack of communication between coaches and management of our cw team and the sharks .

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.01.12 13:29:24 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 33) : Never approached him directly or through Prosport (agent)- no counter offer made. No interest expressed by Sharks for 2012 either before WP contract was renewed.

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.01.12 13:34:22 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky: now that is interesting.. But from what you said in prev comment, maybe sharks still don’t know who he is 😐

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.01.12 13:42:33 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 29) : shocking… I think those of us who saw Pat play Craven Week all thought very highly of him

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.01.12 13:47:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Perplexing to say the least. With the exception of Pat Lambie (who Patrick Howard played with in the 2008 MHS 1st XV) how many Michaelhouse guys can you think of who have either never featured in the Sharks’ reckoning or migrated elsewhere? Although there may be justifiable reasons of which I am not aware could the Sharks not have hung onto: Diack, Rhodes, Cilliers, Combrinck, 2 x Cronjes, de Bruyn …. sure there are more. Is there perhaps truth to the Straueli – Michaelhouse mental block?

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.01.12 14:15:07 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 29) : zees this is 😯 ing

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.01.12 14:25:06 by Franshark Reply
  • @bergshark (Comment 31) : We’re all on the mobile version as well. πŸ™‚ The reply arrow is a little grey arrow right after the commentor’s name πŸ™‚

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.01.12 14:44:17 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 40) : like this?

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.01.12 14:54:21 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 38) : I haven’t heard that story, but it’s a worrying pattern all the same. Is it not just part of a larger youth exodus, though? Is the Michaelhouse factor not just coincidental… there have been high-profile departures from other schools too… Barritt (Kearsney) Murray (Westville) Whiteley (Glenwood) etc

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.01.12 14:54:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 40) : excellent! Thanks for this! .. Eish,now I feel a bit daft hehehe πŸ˜€

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.01.12 14:56:09 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 41) : WEYHEY!

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.01.12 14:59:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 43) : bliksem… that only took about 18 months to get right… what’s next? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.01.12 15:01:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : smileys on mobile version – some of us struggle with expressing our emotions in words 😈 πŸ˜†

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.01.12 15:08:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ now the sky’s the limit πŸ˜€
    In the words of peabo bryson: it’s a whole new world!:-D

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.01.12 15:10:16 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 43) : Yay bergshark. I have only been asking you about it for a while now. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.01.12 15:10:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 41) : LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.01.12 15:14:03 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 48) : @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 49) : πŸ˜€

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.01.12 15:15:42 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 29) : I’m one of the guys who thought Patrick was 2010 KZN player of the year ahead of the likes of Dwayne Kelly and Senzo Mtshali.

    Really sad about the Sharks and no offer on the table if what you’re saying is true.

    I’m not sure what the Sharks were expecting to materialise at centre for there u19 campaign. I guess Paul Jordaan was meant to be the solution. I know they were holding out for William Small-Smith at one stage but after that fell through, one would have thought they’d try to approach the next best available player which would naturally have been Patrick, not just in KZN but nationally.

    With Jordaan fasttracked to u21, it left Andrew Holland as the only recognizable centre. He’s a decent player but in the end the midfield seemed to be rescued by a player they probably had a justifiable right not to know of – Ruan Allerston.

    Altho I support the Sharks I can’t help but believe that Patrick is a lot better off in WP, where I think they have the know-how to develop youngsters into world class centres.

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.01.12 15:16:25 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Just a theory I heard on the grapevine … had to do with MHS not releasing players to train with Sharks U19 squad a few years back. Apparently caused some bad blood. WP seems popular with MHS boys – 6 at the WPRI in the past two years.

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.01.12 15:23:26 by Micky Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) : who who’d you say is the best defending back in sharks u19&21 (based on what you saw last season)?

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.01.12 15:26:47 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 52) : surely something as petty as that can’t be the reason (if there is one)??
    But this makes on just wonder how good the communication is between the sharks and those involved at sbr ?

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.01.12 15:30:09 by bergshark Reply

  • @beet (Comment 51) : I think that’s spot on. Howard / Holland at 2010 Craven Week was a hot topic. Howard / van Wyk for WP (both in the SA U20 mix at the moment)will be a combo to watch. Hard to pick the combinations for this year’s SAU20. I think Patrick’s value is cover for 11,12,13,14 in Theron’s eyes. I believe he is running at 12 inside WSS during training at the SAU20 camp going on currently.

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.01.12 15:32:35 by Micky Reply

  • Any idea how emil schwartz’ rehab is going?

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.01.12 15:37:36 by bergshark Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 52) : not sure about that – i know that in 2008 Pat lambie, Ruan Combrinck and Robert de bruyn were asked to join the U19 squad – the school agreed but Pat lambie was 1st 11 cricket capatin (and nuffield captain) so put this obligation first, Robert de Bruyn was injured and couldn’t play and Ruan Combrinck did play for the u19’s that year.

    I have heard stories (unsubstantiated) that some in the sharks hierachy have expressed the view that the Michaelhouse boys are spoilt (or soft?)
    at the end of the day 18 year olds (and their parents) make decisions on where to go based on a number of factors – the money/contracts offerred at this level are very similar across provinces.
    IMO a decent university and a proper campus life are significant factors missing from what the sharks offer and i know that this has affected some of the choices made.

    I am quite frankly amazed (but not totally surprised) that Pat Howard was not made an offer

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.01.12 15:43:40 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 57) : Agree with you on the campus comment. IMO WP has the edge with their ‘live-in’ institute compared with the set up in Durban where the discipline is lax by comparison. I think with the recent wholesale migration of midfielders from Province, Pat Howard is in a good place and well set at WP.

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.01.12 15:54:07 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 58) : A lot has changed over time tho. For the semi-profession to pro rugby player/student, I’m not so sure the comforts of a campus lifestyle are too badly offset by what Durban offers. It might even be easier have the flexibility of being a correspondence student.

    However that said, I think the Varsity Cup has re-invigorated the whole varsity slash rugby association in a new more modern era professional rugby way that’s making it extremely hard for Durban to compete. The opportunities alone that the VC offers to up-and-coming players, is definitely giving these institutions an edge now.

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.01.12 16:15:37 by beet Reply
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  • @Micky (Comment 58) : If you have any contact with WP junior rugby perhaps you can help me.

    There was a very promising 2010 Bishops scrumhalf Guy Whitfield who didn’t surface at all this season in WP u19. Even your guy Mudariki seemed to be ahead of him in the pecking order. I’m just trying to figure out what went wrong for Whitfield. Do you know anything.

    Also is Hilton Mudariki related to the current prop at MHS?

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.01.12 16:20:23 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 56) : it’s progressing, dude , but last time I spoke to him he’s a year away from playing again.

    It was a KAK break that

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.01.12 16:26:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 60) : Will get back to you on Whitfield. Mudariki has a brother at MHS – prop or hooker.

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.01.12 17:01:12 by Micky Reply

  • @beet (Comment 59) : I think that the reality if players progress rapidly into the senior ranks is that they all find it very difficult to progress their studies – or even attend any lectures – given the training time committment.
    The issue when you are leaving school at 17/18 is that the vast majority of players contracted at that stage will play no more than u19 & U21 CC and with that in mind getting a proper qualification in preparation for life after rugby is an important consideration.
    The academic choices offered through the Sharks academy/varsity College set up are pretty limited – pat lambie for eg has opted to study independently by correspondence because his choice wasnt available.

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.01.12 18:02:46 by steve Reply

  • He played flank for most of his life but in grade 10 got chosen for 12 vs college for 1st team, played a few games for 1sts and played flank for u16a’s.. Got moved to 12 after he worked on his ball skills. Freakishly strong too. I know him personally, got a good head on his shoulders, he went to cordwalles, his heart is always in kzn, just pity our friend strauli has something against us house men..

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.01.12 18:55:19 by rumps Reply

  • @beet (Comment 60) : Made some enquiries about Guy Whitfield: He started at the WP Rugby Institute along with another four scrumhalves. Apparently rated as having one of the best passes but deficient in other areas. Not in the same league as Gerhard Jordaan or Mudariki in the physicality / strength stakes. I understand he left the institute fairly early on in 2011 realising he wouldn’t make the cut.

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.01.12 19:10:55 by Micky Reply

  • @rumps (Comment 64) : So you are also aware of the supposed ‘Straueli / MHS’ issue?? Where there’s smoke there’s fire πŸ˜‰ The Patrick Howard stength you talk about is apparent in the few clips from the WP U19 CC season last year. Takes a few to pull him down: youtube link:

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.01.12 19:16:47 by Micky Reply

  • @steve (Comment 57) : how can you be amazed, without being surprised? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.01.12 19:29:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Micky (Comment 66) : my feeling is that if (and it’s a big if) there is some sort of anti-MHS conspiracy going on, then Plumtree must be as much part of it as Rudolf is. Fact is, a number of the MHS boys didn’t progress because their discipline wasn’t considered up to scratch… I know for a fact that some of the guys who are now with the Lions had a reputation for enjoying a dop first and rugby second… and Plum shared that view.

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.01.12 19:32:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Another question for the Pat Howard fans… (and not trying to diss the youngster at all)… would YOU sign any other 12s at u19 level if you already have Paul Jordaan signed up? Given that we know there’s a limited budget available…

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.01.12 19:34:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : Actually a 13. Played whole 2010 season at 13 for MHS and the U19 CC at 13 for WP. Can play 12 and has played wing at a high level (ie: SA U18 and for a KZN U18 invitational vs a touring Montpellier Club side a few years ago). Hence the risk of the utility label exists. Agree that Paul Jordaan is class and should (will) go all the way. As for branding the MHS boys ‘ill-disciplined ‘doppers’… would be surprised if Howard fell into this category – was a senior prefect at MHS … same house as Lambie and probably equally disciplined and sober.

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.01.12 20:07:06 by Micky Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : Ha ha – amazed because he is very talented but not surprised as that doesnt mean a contract will follow – mark richards and kyle cooper were also ignored.
    @robdylan (Comment 68) : not sure how much is perception and reality – Mitchell takes no ill discipline and they are all coping under him.
    @robdylan (Comment 69) : Howard is a 13 – Jordaan is very talented but if he is a centre its at 12 – IMO Howard is a better out and out 13 (or wing)

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.01.12 20:15:59 by steve Reply

  • How many of you guys are still involved in school boy rugby, or go to the games?

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.01.12 06:12:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : Rob, any news on how Gavin Hauptfleish is doing? I heard he injured himself last year in pre-season aswell. I really felt that he could also go all the way. Big boy for a flyhalf.

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.01.12 08:14:52 by VanWilder Reply

  • Holy Moly, what do they put in the water in beautiful Balgowan area these days.
    Is “Conspiracy Theories 101” a new subject being taught at MHS?

    Looking at the number of MHS old boys that have been part of the Sharks set up (Sharks, u19 & u21S) I think its fair to say that, far from being prejudiced against, they seem to have been very well favoured. Has any other single school from Kzn, or even the rest of the country, had such representation over the last few years.

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.01.12 08:57:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 73) : I haven’t chatted to Gavin in a while… let me see if I can dig him up.

    I *think* he said he was all sorted and going back to Durbs

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.01.12 09:29:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 74) : Can you explain then how no interest whatsoever (let alone ‘favour’) was expressed in attracting Howard to the Sharks after his second Craven Week in 2010 or even after his selection to SAU18 (2010) and later when his WP contract came up for renewal in September 2011? I myself found the ‘conspiracy theory’ hard to believe when I first heard it proposed but ignoring a home bred talent who had been in the Sharks’ structures since Cordwalles and delivered at the highest levels beggars belief.

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.01.12 09:59:48 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 76) : Was there no interest or was the recruitment/contracting process just inept? My impression is that sometimes the recruitment/contracting process is not as co-ordinated as it should be between Strauli, Melville and Scriba and that some other provinces, notably WP, are simply quicker.

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.01.12 10:20:04 by steve Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 76) : No I cant explain it, maybe he slipped through the cracks, maybe there was lack of communication, maybe its just as Steve points out below @steve (Comment 77) : maybe they didnt rate him as highly as those they did bring in – there could be various reasons but the likes of Rhodes, Richards, the Cronjes, Lambie et al dont give credence to the theory that MHS old boys are persona non grata at the Sharks.

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.01.12 10:32:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 78) : ‘Inept’, ‘communication’, ‘co-ordination’ … gimme a break! Most guys are earmarked after their first Craven Week let alone their second. How hard can it be to add a player to your ‘wishlist’ and have your scout chat to them at Craven Week, as was the case with WP, Bulls, and Paul Treu in Howard’s case. Interesting to note (from the list of MHS boys mentioned) how many are still with the Sharks? Add to that Cilliers, Diack and possibly others. (What’s happened to Naiken, by the way?). Anyway, as you say perhaps in their books he simply isn’t good enough. Time will tell, I guess.

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.01.12 12:16:25 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 79) : My impression is that the Sharks dont like to extend written offers that may be declined which is always a problem when a player is weighing up a number of alternatives.
    dont discount the “inept” factor either – I have witnessed this first hand a few years ago where approaches were made followed by undertakings. later deadlines were missed in which time the young player concerned had recieved at least two written offers from other major unions including WP. When one of those offers was accepted recriminations followed with various people in the mix blaming others for having dropped the ball. even the loyalty card was played.
    I am not sure what happened in pat howard’s case but it could have elements of both the above.

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.01.12 12:57:19 by steve Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 79) : Like I said, I dont have the answer re Howards ommission, I was just trying to find reasons.

    Regarding the old MHS guys that are no longer with the Sharks I guess they were deemed surplus to requirements (rightly or wrongly) the fact is they were given a good shot at making their mark, thus indicating that I dont think there is any bias against MHS players.

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.01.12 13:58:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 81) : Point taken. Fortunately for the Lions, Cilliers and Rhodes made their mark there …. a nice trophy to prove it πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.01.12 15:51:47 by Micky Reply

  • @Micky (Comment 82) : Agreed, BTW, for what its worth I like the MHS guys, I like their “guts” and I like the attitude they brought with them. Im still rooting for Mark Richards to make the grade.

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.01.12 16:03:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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