Richard Ferguson

What depth?


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 Feb 2012 at 09:45
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I am generally a very positive guy…. Well most of the time anyway. But there is something that has me quite worried when I look at the depth at the Sharks. And no, this is not about the locks or centres.

Looking at our halfbacks, we have immensely talented players yes, but there seems to be very few players in this little group that I will completely trust with a Super Rugby jersey, should the injuries start rolling in.

I am extremely excited to see Pat Lambie running the backline from the pivot position, but what happens, for whatever reason, Lambie takes a knock and is out for a few weeks. Where do we look?

I hear what you all are screaming at me: “But we have Michalak?” Yes we do, and he is fantastic, but he did show in the Currie Cup that he can have a complete nightmare in the position, and in Super Rugby, a half bad game from a pivot can cost you the season, quite simply put.

Looking past these two, we have a few people that could step in to save the day, with Bosman and Viljoen jumping to mind. Do either of these players fill you with confidence, do they scream attacking/running/winning rugby at you? I did not think so.

Much the same can be said about our scrumhalves. Yes we have McLeod, and Hoffmann (when he is actually fit) and again the name Michalak pops up, and then there is Cobus Reinach as well. Let’s rule out Hoffmann for Super Rugby, that leaves us with McLeod, a flyhalf and a rookie.

I am the biggest supporter of backing the talent, and most of you know that. I would much rather play the likes of Reinach at scrumhalf, than have Michalak on the bench covering that position.

My thinking is quite logical, in four month’s time, Michalak will no longer be with the Sharks, and Hoffmann will more than likely still be injured, and re-injured, and then what are we left with, McLeod and a rookie who still hasn’t gotten any game time.

Fred Michalak is an amazing player, but he is not the future of the Sharks, and we are all well aware of this. So yes, have him as a backup to Lambie, so that he can slot into ten if we really need to, but please do not play him at scrumhalf.

Lambie is our long term solution, and I am very excited about this, but somewhere along the line the Sharks will have to think about developing another flyhalf, be it Jordaan or Zeilinga. Whichever they choose, these players will have to start getting some game time, and I know this is something that will not happen this year.


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  • I agree Rich, but you also can’t develop them during the S15. During the CC Lambie will probably not be available and Freddie would have left so let’s hope they get some decent playing time during the CC this year to be ready for next years S15.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.02.12 09:51:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The scrumhalf depth is especially worrying at the moment. 🙁

    I’m more positive about our flyhalf cover.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.02.12 09:52:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I also disagree. Viljoen will more than likely be in the attacking/running/winning mode.

    Maybe not guaranteed of winning but I don’t think he’ll kick everything away.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.02.12 09:53:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) :

    I agree and disagree with what you say..

    Agree that you cannot develop talent during the Super 15, but if you are going to pull Lambie off the field in the last 5 minutes, like Plum does it, why not give a guy like Jordaan 5 minutes, just to get a feel..

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.02.12 09:53:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I don’t understand ur worries; just compare our squad with every other squad in Superugby and that should hopefully make you smile. We have more Depth than pretty much anyone else. We might be a bit short a loosehead, due to Beast getting injured; but everywhere else we 100% sorted. At 10, Lambie, Fred, Bosman, Viljoen. 9 like you said, Mcloed, Fred and Reinach, solid scrummies that all can give you something different. If we hit a crisis at 9, we can bring Kockett in at the end of the French season if needed. So i don’t know why people are worrying.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.02.12 09:54:08 by JJR Reply
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  • you are right, Rich… and again we realise what an asset we actually had in Jacques-Louis Potgieter, not that we could be bothered to use him.

    Scrumhalf is far trickier. We all know that Reinach is the future, but the fact that Hoffmann keeps getting injured simply confuses the pecking order. We’re going to have to back Reinach to deliver the goods at some stage, though, but whether he’s quite ready to be a starting option in Super Rugby, given that he’s never even started a Currie Cup game, remains to be seen.

    Is Fred Zeilinga ready to step up? My gut feel tells me not yet. Likewise, I wouldn’t throw Paul Jordaan into Super Rugby at flyhalf just yet (although maybe elsewhere in the backline).

    What is the solution, though? I’ve heard Kockott’s name mentioned, but Rory proved many times over that he’s not a good bench player. He wants to be, nay insists on being, first choice all the time and that’s not good for team morale. I don’t see how you would accommodate him and McLeod, never mind Hoffmann, Reinach and the rest.

    I’m really worried that bringing a scrumhalf in now will result in us losing Reinach.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.02.12 09:54:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    Do you think a guy like Viljoen will be able to stand up against Carter, Cooper and the like?

    If you do, that great, honestly, I just have never been the greatest fan of Viljoen (I sound like Culling Song and his MJ dislike now)

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.02.12 09:55:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    I am not for one minute suggesting we bring in anoyone..

    I am just questioning the inclusion of Michalak on the bench to play for 5 or so minutes, when that time can go to a player that will be here in a few month’s time..

    I do understand that this is all very tricky, just putting it out there..

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.02.12 09:57:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : I’m going to have to get over my innate dislike of Viljoen too. Not sure why, but the oke has just always struck me as having a “vibe” about him.

    I’m sure I’m wrong and that he’s a lekker oke after all, but it’s going to take a bit of time for me to just accept that he should walk into the team ahead of Ludik (or anyone else)

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.02.12 09:58:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • I know not everybody on SW will agree with me but I think Riaan Viljoen will be a huge player for the Sharks if he is given a bit of freedom. If Plum has instructed him to play a more conservative gameplan then he will be another Louis Ludik but he is probably the best attacking fullback in SA together with Taute.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.02.12 09:58:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : aaah – I see what you’re getting it.

    Ja, I’m with you… I suspect that we will have lots of disagreements with Plum in the months to come over bench selections. Reinach is never going to be able to develop into a Super Rugby player if we don’t play him. Ditto Jordaan… quite simple 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.02.12 09:59:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) :

    How many 10’s can really stand up to the players you mention?

    I think he will be fine as a stop gap 3rd choice behind Lambie and Freddie though.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.02.12 10:01:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) :

    You are spot on!

    The coaching staff can make or break a player, and I think Viljoen has pretty much been given free reign when playing for Griquas, the type of ‘nothing-to-lose’ rugby.

    Whether the Sharks management will allow this, remains to be seen..

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.02.12 10:02:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) :

    Fair comment.. And quite right..

    Its the Sharks-have-to-be-the-best fan in me coming through here, not the unbiased opinion I have to give..

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.02.12 10:03:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : I think the Sharks will always have more to lose than Griquas… :mrgreen:

    Nut the point is well made! Then again, in a backline that isn’t coached, what’s to stop players doing what they like anyway?

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.02.12 10:03:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Nut should be But…. too lazy to edit 🙂

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.02.12 10:04:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Fair enough under the right circumstances. But can you imagine the shit if he replaces Lambie with Jordaan with 5 minutes to go and the youngster makes a mistake and loses the game. Can you have Jordaan on the bench with the intention to play him for 5 minutes and Lambie gets injured in the 1st contact of the game and Jordaan has to play 75 min?

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.02.12 10:04:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) :

    Hahaha.. having my ass solidly handed to me here..

    You are right.. Game, set, match Pokkel..

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.02.12 10:06:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) :

    It wasn’t my intention….I just having one of my better days.

    I’m NAFI today so I have time to talk shit.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.02.12 10:10:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) :

    haha.. join the club!

    NAFI – time to write stupid senseless articles and getting proven wrong in the first 5 comments.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.02.12 10:12:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : Shucks, I was starting to get a complex about Viljoen and thought I was the only one that didn’t like him much… 😳

    I’m sure he is a good player, but he doesn’t “look” or “feel” like a sharks player to me, as weird as that sounds.

    Agree with the bench selections, we need results but not at the expense of the future.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.02.12 10:13:33 by Jakes Reply

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  • I’m often a guy that jumps on any area where i think The Sharks need improvement or reinforcements…and i really believe we are in very good Shape in terms of our Depth, even at loosehead i was thinking we might need a loan signing; but maybe Allan Dell could provide some cover of the bench one or twice this season, he really seems to be a prop 2 years ahead(In terms of play and maturity) of the guys that share his age.

    Man i hope we see this looseforward trio that we seeing against Boland Start against The Bulls…it’s exciting…Also hope Alberts/Deysel are back for Stormers…or at least one of the two. I hate having my two favourite players out; they very influencial players for The Sharks.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.02.12 10:17:26 by JJR Reply
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  • 😈 Having played flyhalf I think I can give some input: This is a position for a thinking player with talent, not vice versa. At times we will play an attacking game, or a surviving game or a winning game. We need a cool headed general here. His mentality should be: Whether or not I am successful or not with the kick at goal, it never gets to me. No matter what the fans say or feel, but I HATE losing!
    A good flyhalf can only play as well as the team allows him to play. Without the protection of the beef up front to protect you and allow you space, your ass is meat!! I ALWAYS BUY THE FIRST ROUND FOR THEM AFTER THE GAME! The flyhalf is protected and made a hero by the pack. Whether we attack or defend, it will be up to every player to play with heart.
    We need a tactical player to sum up (in an instant) what we need to do with the ball. The game plan may be for the team to drive and keep the ball, but we won the 1995 RWC because of a flyhalf who made the decision and had the guts to back it up! So many CC finals were handed to NTvl because of a good pack and Naas.
    I do believe we have enough talented players to play each game we require as long as we PLAY AS A TEAM! Lambie will not win a game for us, the pack will not, and neither the backs, but combined they CAN!
    I will back any of our guys to play a good game at flyhalf and I am not worried, but Lambie and Viljoen may be the most tactical 2 to trust at first. 😈

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.02.12 10:18:49 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • The problem was that Plum didnt really utilize the Currie Cup to bring through some youngsters. I realize that his methodology would be that as he has not won the Superrugby title, he felt he needed to bring some silverware to the Sharktank to appease the critics and make the fans happy. Thus it is a very fine balance between winning silverware and taking a punt on a youth at times.

    However, I think there were certain games at home, such as against the Leopards/Pumas, or even off the bench when he could have brought through some younger guys. Someone such as Jordaan could have been used off the bench, Reinach could have played at various junctures etc. Overall Plum needs to find that balance between using the CC for introducing prospective Superrugby candidates and also trying to win the CC trophy.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.02.12 10:21:31 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Pat (Comment 24) : We all complained about that last year and Plum missed a great opportunity last year to give some youngsters more gametime.

    Nothing we can do about it now though.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.02.12 10:27:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 24) : Agree, i thought those games were perfect to blood some youngsters, and i was frustrated to see the same teams named…it was also during a time where rotation and giving players a rest could’ve been very beneficial.

    If you think about it, a few have youngsters come through in superugby first…Coetzee and Bresler started out at Superugby, i think. Not the ideal situation, could backfire badly, if the youngster has a poor debut against some top class rugby players in the toughest provincial tournament in the World.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.02.12 10:33:48 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pat: 😈 I understand what you are saying, but if you we coach what would you do? My focus would be to win no matter what! I will not b here next season if I do not. The next guy can worry about development and maybe be remembered as the guy who won nothing. Ask Allister in the WP!

    Development is done by the players and the staff at VC and Vodacup level. As a player you need to put pressure on them to select you! When you practice, you should put the senior player under so much pressure that he starts to grin at you. If he is your best bud, then you are doing nothing to advance your career. This is worse than corporate, here you get physical!
    Lambie is a good example – he made himself EMPLOYABLE! 👿

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.02.12 10:36:22 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 27) :

    Thinking only about winning and not about development is very short sighted! I can’t agree with that at all..

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.02.12 10:39:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 27) : Obviously you want to win all the games, that’s why Pat mentioned Leopards and Pumas games…at home there is no chance you gonna lose those games, so put some youngsters in the mix.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.02.12 10:40:31 by JJR Reply
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  • 😈 I understand the sentiment but If a team does not have a winning culture, there will be no fans, no money, no good players or coaching staff, no real development,no silverware, no sponsors, just Leopards, Valke … Sorry to say, but this is the cruel face of a pro sport 😈

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.02.12 10:43:25 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 30) :

    Its not about sentiment..

    Rugby is like running a business.. You don’t run a business without budgets, succession planning and thinking about the future..

    If you are going to play the same team into the ground for an entire season, giving the youngsters the finger, you might win one trophy in the current season, but after that, you will have no youth system, and you are pretty stuffed anyway…

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.02.12 10:46:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 27) :

    I think Plum needed to blood a bit more youth. I agree that it is imperative to win, and having not won the Superugby title he would have been under pressure in the CC. However, it was clear that players like Jordaan, Reinach, Lindeqe, Pieter Steph Du Toit (etc) were making waves last year.

    I would have targeted certain fixtures such as the Leopards or Pumas or even Griquas at home and played them from the start or off the bench. I would have ensured that they had someone very experienced on either side or around, so if one takes Paul Jordaan as an example they could have played Michalak at 10 and Terblanche at 13 or whatever to help.

    Whilst the Vodacom Cup is certainly a good feeding ground, there is a major jump between VC and Superrugby. I think the CC is a good middle step between the two and needs to be used more effectively. I dont advocate putting full youth teams out, but Plum needs to be more open to using youth in certain fixtures.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.02.12 10:47:23 by Pat Reply

     
  • 😈 I do believe the Sharks do a lot of development. But there is no loyalty here. If the player gets a nicer offer, he is gone! The Sharks company must be afforded the same space to opperate in. The best guys get the positions. This is only fair in any business. Nobody should get a hand out. This will only breed contempt. There are guys waiting to buy our developing players, and if a rookie feels he is that good he will find employment somewhere. But the reality is that there are only 600 pro players in the country and you need to keep the CV updated. 😈

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.02.12 10:50:43 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • 😈 When senior CC play lower rated teams, the lower rated guys up their game and the can beat any team on the night. Those players catch the eyes of the buyers. Next season they play for a senior team. That is called development. The put pressure on someone to blow the budget on them so that they can advance to become Springbok. I am all for development but like business – it must make sense 😈

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.02.12 10:56:05 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • AT PAT: 😈 I agree that contracting french players might not be the best move but we did not complain on the night in 2010! If we won the S15 this year without 1 young player, we will celebrate and never look back. It is a most difficult decision and a ballance may be too difficult 😈

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.02.12 11:00:04 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 34) :

    Development = buying players from smaller unions?

    I think you are missing the point here buddy…

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.02.12 11:00:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 33) :

    I agree that the Sharks do a lot for development, but they must be more shrewd about building depth at certain points in the season and in key positions. Whilst I agree that the best guys should get the positions overall, the problem is the best guys can also get injured/or get a nice fat paycheque from a Northern Hemisphere club. Therefore it is important that depth is built in each position. Nobody should be getting a handout, however, we should also manage youth and other players more efficiently. If Jacques Louis Potgieter, or Mostert had been rotated more efficiently they might have thought differently about leaving.

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.02.12 11:01:06 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Pat (Comment 37) :

    I agree with your last point there..

    Mostert I am not sure about, but JLP, given some decent game time, could have been a great asset to have in the Super Rugby tournament, but we chose to let him go..

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.02.12 11:03:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 24) : Agreed.

    ” Especially against the weaker sides like the bulls ” 😈

    But to be fair to Coach, it was a no win situation.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.02.12 11:03:29 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) : Good point, but if we have Freddy on the bench, we can use him to cover 9 when playing Jordaan as 10 backup, or let him cover 10 when we want to give Reinach a run, and if the unthinkable happens and Lambie or McLeod gets injured early, Freddy can step in, and we don’t risk the youngster for a full game.

    Only problem with this plan, we will have to use a 4-3 bench, but Plum seems to be a fan of the 5-2 split

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.02.12 11:05:28 by Die Kriek Reply

     
  • Meyer Bosman at flyhalf anybody?

    The guy has played for the Boks at 10 after all.
    Played there when someone was injured last year as well and was pretty efficient.

    All sides have these problems regarding depth. The sharks are better off than most I can promise you that.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.02.12 11:16:20 by John Galt Reply

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  • At scrummy we are fine as well.
    Mcleod
    Hoffman
    Michalak
    Reinach

    Going to watch Michalak at 9 very closely tonight.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.02.12 11:18:38 by John Galt Reply

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  • Who’s at the game tonight? Will we be getting running updates?Richard?

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.02.12 11:19:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) :

    I will be posting some score updates as we go along.

    I will try get a few twitter updates going as well.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.02.12 11:21:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • 😈 Richard, please explain. Pat yes, I liked JLP, Eugene and Mostert, but they would be playing for double the more oversees not matter the CC time. The only attraction could be to play Springbok, and even better dusring RWC. But players have a limited shelf life and need to do the best during those years and a good agent will protect the guy. Look at F Steyn.
    There is plenty of money spent on development, from daddy’s wallet to provincial coaching but OPPERTUNITY needs to be created by the player and a good agent. That is not Plum’s job. He must bring silverware. 😈

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.02.12 11:22:23 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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    Thanks I’ll follow on SW. I closed my Twitter account after getting hacked a couple of times.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.02.12 11:24:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 45) :

    I dont understand what you want me to explain?

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.02.12 11:27:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) :

    That’s crap! I didn’t know that could even happen? Why would anyone do that anyway?

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.02.12 11:28:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 48) : Jip – I got DM’d from “pokkel” telling me that people are spreading indecent pics of me!!! 🙄

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.02.12 11:37:58 by Ice Reply
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  • @RICHARD: 😈 Development = buying players from smaller unions? My point here is that the BIG unions such a the bulls employ this well. Can we recall the coach who has done the most development or the guy who won the S14 and CC. What jobs do they hold today? 😈

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    All those indecent pictures surfacing again Ice.. tsk tsk..

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.02.12 11:39:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 50) :

    Development does not mean buying players from smaller unions. If you look that up in the dictionary, it is actually called poaching..

    In the case of the Sharks, developing talent means taking a guy from school, putting him through the academy and age group rugby and eventually letting him play for the Sharks, or even better, the Boks.

    Guys like Beast, Keegan, Pat, Pieter-Steph – those are players that were developed.

    Guys like Deysel and Alberts, they were bought.

    There is a difference..

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.02.12 11:41:44 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 50) :

    Buying good players does not make you a good developer of talent, it means you have a good eye for talent and a decent budget to purchase said players..

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.02.12 11:42:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 50) :

    And as a final point, it is not a coach’s job to develop talent. He is there to coach the players he has at his disposal.

    It is the management and the scouts at schools and the guys doing the training work at the academy that develop talent and youth, who end up playing for the Sharks.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.02.12 11:44:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : “If you do, that great, honestly, I just have never been the greatest fan of Viljoen (I sound like Culling Song and his MJ dislike now)”

    Uh, no Rich, you don’t sound anything like me. Your statement regarding Viljoen is quite polite, whereas I would say something like: MJ is to rugby what Jimmy Abbot is to ballet…

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.02.12 11:44:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 50) :

    What about John Mitchell at the Lions. Admittedly he hasnt brought that much youth through yet, but nonetheless he won the CC and two of the Lions’ most prodigious youth talents starred in that display, Elton Jantjies and Jaco Taute.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.02.12 11:48:05 by Pat Reply

     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) :

    Dude! You say the most random funny shit..

    Let me try:

    To me, Riaan Viljoen is to Sharks rugby what the Kardashians are to poverty…??

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.02.12 11:48:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) :

    Waar kom jy aan al die kak wat jy sê? Ek kan sien dit gaan lekker rustig daar by die werk. 😆

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.02.12 11:49:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 57) :
    Not bad!

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.02.12 11:51:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) :

    I wish you were THIS funny in real life! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.02.12 11:51:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • 😈 I see what you are saying Richard. Will the guy that you developed stay loyal? As I said before..2 Shark flyhalf in the VC. I believe that poaching is an element of development, no matter what the business. It is a question of value for money. You do not want your company to have the 2nd or 3rd rated CEO or board. You may try to develop youngsters for the position but when its game on, and you have the money you will go big. I recognise that we still think of Rugby as a sport, but in 1986 a NFL coach said to me that we will need to think of it as a business when we turn professional. 😈

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.02.12 11:54:14 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 61) :

    Okay, if you want to talk business…

    What is the business sense in buying a player, for top dollar, paying him a huge salary, when you are already spending money on an academy, and get a player to be just as good in a year or three, maybe even better, seeing as he is already used to the game plan and the environment?

    Do you call buying Marius Joubert development? Where is the logic in that?

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.02.12 11:57:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 51) : Bwahaha – should have known that was gonna backfire!

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.02.12 12:00:57 by Ice Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : Dis soos Tourette’s Syndrome; ek het nie beheer daaroor nie. Ek dink dis a.g.v. breinskade wat geinduseer is deur die weird sh*t wat jy my gee om te lees… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.02.12 12:01:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) :

    Gee om te lees, of gee om te rook?? 😆

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.02.12 12:03:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @ PAT C50: I agree, look at Mitchel of the Lions. Jantjies was SARFU’s young player in 2010 when Lambie won the CC and excelled to become Sringbok! How did we feel??? This is development. Still they paid for Butch. This is to cover all aspects of business. Jantjies has a dedicated NZ coach for the CC. Lots of money for this development process. Time will tell what the S15 will expose. Taute (my surname) played his way into the team. Willing to take any position. Just as Lambie did. Good schools deliver the good players. There may be a good player in a smaller school in KZN but if he does not go to a more prominent rugby school, will be be noticed. Joost is a case in point. He had to be so much better than the Affies, Menlo & Boys high boys!
    To me development will mean annual open trails for the Voda cup from all over the country. We might find a poor kid ready to break his bones for a position? 😈

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.02.12 12:05:58 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 51) : 😆

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.02.12 12:08:15 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) :

    Praat jy? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.02.12 12:08:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 52) : Just a small correction there, Deysel was bought, Alberts wasn’t

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.02.12 12:09:03 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 69) :

    Fair enough, Alberts was ‘signed’..

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.02.12 12:11:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 69) :

    I’m sure your shrink has already told you this but I’ll just remind you again.

    GET OVER IT! 😈 😉 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.02.12 12:16:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ Richard C 61: 😈 Buying MJ was a bad business deal, up till now. I agree. That is neither development nor poaching. That was sneaking up on an old bok. My point is that contracting (only for a short period of time, we can not buy a player (Viljoen) as a possesion) developed talent to fill our shortfalls opens up a position in a lower ranked team (i.e. Griquas) for a young player. The Griquas will contract Sharks that do not make the cut here and if they excell someone will contract them. I think we still have the tendancy to think in provincial envelops. But the true story is that no SA Pside is made up of locals 😈

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.02.12 12:16:22 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) : Surely you know by now that this is the greatest advantage of the internet; it makes it easy to sell oneself as being much smarter/funnier/sexier/insert adjective of choice/ than you actually are

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.02.12 12:17:23 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) :

    Your doing a damn fine job then! 😉

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.02.12 12:19:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 71) : 2007 Super 14 Final in Durban, right back at you 😆

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.02.12 12:19:40 by Greg Reply

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  • 😈 GREG 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.02.12 12:19:54 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 73) :
    @Pokkel (Comment 74) :

    Just look at all of us selling ourselves as fountains of rugby knowledge…

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.02.12 12:20:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 75) : Ouch! 😳

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.02.12 12:27:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 75) : now you ruining the friendship 😈
    so by the way… says the guy who’s team never came close 😛

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.02.12 12:27:47 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 77) :

    What you talking about??? :mrgreen:

    We ARE all experts!

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.02.12 12:28:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 79) : Well strictly speaking we did win the inaugural competition back in ’93, but if I mention that you are going to say ‘well that was a long time ago’ or ‘that was still amatuer rugby’ or some such utterance to attempt to trivialise it so I won’t mention it. I will just say ‘Look at my avatar’! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.02.12 12:40:50 by Greg Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) : Yup, Google Translate makes me look bilingual, Wikipedia makes me look like I know stuff… Only genuine thing is my avatar, where my natural good looks does the trick :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.02.12 12:52:59 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 82) :

    Bwahahahaha………. 😆

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.02.12 12:54:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 82) :

    I must have not seen you since this photo of us was taken…….damn that plastic surgeon IS good!

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.02.12 12:56:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 81) : what that old teddy bear 😉

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.02.12 13:10:31 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 84) : Pokkel, if you appreciate Roger Ballen’s pics you MUST have a look at The Antwoord’s music video “I fink you freaky”. Some fine specimens on there 😉

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.02.12 13:14:46 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : Why would Lambie not be available during CC? There’s no World Cup this year, only the “Rugby Championships” and that’s only a couple of games here and there.

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  • @Franshark (Comment 85) :

    Still a teddy bear nonetheless no matter how you cut it . . .

    😛

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.02.12 13:20:34 by csb Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 86) :

    I absolutely HATE that song!! 5FM has this ability to play the KAKKEST songs over and over, and this is certainly one of the worst!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.02.12 13:21:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 87) :

    The Rugby Championship runs from 18 August (2 weeks after Super Rugby final) to 6 October. Not much time to play Currie Cup then?

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.02.12 13:22:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 89) :

    Have to agree . . rather listen to white noise.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.02.12 13:24:57 by csb Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 87) : Won’t the CC run partly during the same time as the S15?

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.02.12 13:25:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) :

    CC, with only six teams, will run after the S15.. I am sure?!

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.02.12 13:26:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 90) : Ugh. Another year of crap Currie Cup.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.02.12 13:29:56 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 93) : Not sure to be honest but if a player like Lambie or any other Bok for that matter has to play S15, England tour, S15, Rugby Championship and EOYT I can’t really see much chance for them to play CC as well. At that rate a players expected rugby career will be very short.

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.02.12 13:29:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 94) :

    I don’t see it that way. That will give the youngsters some valuable playing time and preparations for next year’s S15.

    It was good not seeing all the regulars during the CC this year and seeing some exciting younger players.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.02.12 13:31:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 95) : The point is that they ARE expected to do it. Moreover, they WANT to. The Currie Cup is being successively dumbed down and sidelined because of increasing international (for this, read SANZARG, or whatever they will be with Argentina on board) commitments. It’s ruining the prestige and quality of the Currie Cup, along with its pulling power in terms of attendance, thereby putting additional pressure on the provinces to up the ante where making money is concerned. It’s ridiculous. From a fan’s point of view people want to see the Bok stars competing in their home competition. It’s the oldest rugby competition in the southern hemisphere FFS. And it’s being turned into a premier league for the Vodacom Cup.

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.02.12 13:34:33 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 97) :

    I agree with all your saying but I’ve made peace with it since we’ve known that this was going to happen 2 years ago. I don’t watch Vodacom cup(because my wife will divorce me if I watch any more rugby) but I do watch CC and it’s an opportunity for me to see the up and coming talent play!

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.02.12 13:37:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 96) : I understand this, but the paying public don’t want to see emerging players, they want to see the “regulars”. Look at the attendance at last year’s matches – it was amongst the worst it has ever been. If we stand a hope in hell of growing rugby in this country, the provincial unions need to make money. The CC has always been the backbone of the industry in this respect. It’s hard enough to get people to the stadiums and away from the TV as it is, take away the big drawcards and you are looking at what I believe is going to be the steady demise of the Currie Cup, and with it, rugby in South Africa.

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.02.12 13:38:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 96) : I kinda agree with that. Also enjoyed some other players getting sort of a chance.

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.02.12 13:39:18 by Ice Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 99) :

    Look from a financial point of view you’re right. I’m just expressing my personal view from a selfish Pokkel’s point of view.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.02.12 13:41:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 99) : I guess u’d rather be in the pressbox, than join us for the get-together? 😉

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.02.12 13:43:34 by Ice Reply
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  • I haven’t commented this much in one day in years. Thanks for the article Rich and writing it in such a way that I can disagree with you! 😉

    All these factually correct articles can be so boring. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.02.12 13:43:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 103) :

    I plan on doing more factually incorrect articles..

    On the point, check out my very accurate tips on how to play Justrugby… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.02.12 13:48:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 86) : Having seen some of the promo videos for Ten$ion, and considering the inverse relationship between the dismal-yet-globally-popular Die Antwoord vs. some of his excellent earlier bands which toiled in obscurity, I have reached the only logical conclusion: Watkin Tudor Jones must have sold his soul to Satan in exchange for fame 😈

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.02.12 14:03:03 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 103) :

    My next attempt might have something to do with how good a move it was to sign Marius Joubert, but I have a sneaky suspicion only one man will comment on that, and then roundhouse kick the internet and we will all die..

  • Comment 106, posted at 10.02.12 14:07:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 106) : Writing an article like that while I blog on Sharksworld would be… …not wise

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.02.12 14:28:42 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 107) :

    Noted..

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.02.12 14:29:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 102) : Ouch. 😯 Actually not. Am trying to sort out logistics (which are nightmarish) because I am being pulled in three different directions at the moment… One more and I’ll end up like the guy with a rope on each of his limbs attached to horses galloping in four different directions… What time you starting?

  • Comment 109, posted at 10.02.12 14:40:42 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 109) : No harm intended!! Just thought u might wanna be at the presser afterwards! We might have a certain Sharks man of the match to interview! 🙂

    Well, I’m planning for anything between 4 and latest 5…I’ll keep u posted on arrangements! Maybe u can have a glass of Chardonnay with us afytterward orbefore!

  • Comment 110, posted at 10.02.12 15:11:31 by Ice Reply
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  • Will someone give us a summary of the game 2nite,Richard? 🙂

    Hope all goes well and thing are clearer after 2nites game.

  • Comment 111, posted at 10.02.12 15:32:51 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • Can the super season just start already?

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.02.12 15:57:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 110) : Would love to. Not sure of arrangements yet. But u r right – presser after game and team dinner directly after that… then kontiki… But will make a real effort. Can’t u meet up earlier?

  • Comment 113, posted at 10.02.12 21:11:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) :I rate Viljoen..surely he’ll be given the freedom to attack. This guy will play for the Boks soon. Unless Ludik gets his 2010 form back, he’ll find himself on the bench more often than not.

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.02.12 07:51:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 89) : Agree the song is crap. What I do like about the video is that Roger Ballen made it. Pokkel’s avatar is a famous Roger Ballen pic from his book Platteland.

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.02.12 09:40:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • The problem with the sharks is that Plumtree doesn’t look at the younger players although the sharks have a lot of very talented young players. I followed a few players from schoolboy rugby etc and one of them is Dwayne Kelly. I know that Dwayne Kelly is on contract and he didn’t have a change last year to play as a certain Irish player was in SA and they played him on scrumhalf. Kelly played for the sharks 7’s and he was the captain also. He is such talented player. He broke his ankle in the last match. I really hope we will see him this year in action in the Vodacom team and hopefully in the future make it to the shark’s team. I just think the sharks will definitely loose more very talented players to other provinces 😯 .

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