Richard Ferguson

Mixed results for Lions, WP

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :EP Kings, Lions, Other SA Teams, Super Rugby, WP on 15 Feb 2012 at 07:32
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Two friendly encounters took place last night, with the Lions tackling the Kings (without the Kings) and a Western Province outfit taking on South Western District (SWD). But wait, isn’t the Kings without the Kings only a team made up of Border and SWD players? So let’s try that again.

The Lions played against Border (wearing the Kings outfit) and Western Province played against SWD last night. And how different the results were.

The Lions demolished Border while SWD managed a draw against WP. I should rather say, WP managed the draw, as they needed a late conversion to even matters up.

Both games were high scoring encounters, with 168 points scored in 160 minutes worth of rugby, which can only mean two things: Great attacking skills or terrible defence. I will leave that up to you to decide.

The Lions managed to score 13 tries, of which 9 were converted by the fit again Elton Jantjies, who also scored two tries for a personal tally of 28 points on the night.


Lions 88 – 0 Kings

Tries: Derick Minnie (2), Deon van Rensburg (2), Cobus Grobbelaar, Elton Jantjies (2), Callie Visagie (2), Patric Cilliers, Hendrik Roodt, James Kamana (2), penalty try.
Conversions: Jantjies (9).


SWD Eagles 40 – 40 Western Province

SWD Eagles:
Tries: Anthony Bestwick, Clint Wagman, Morné Buis, Quinton Petzer.
Conversions: Bestwick (2), Deroy Rhoode (2).
Penalties: Bestwick, Rhoode (3).

Western Province: 40 (26)
Tries: Ederies Arendse, Berton Klaasen, Yaya Hartzenberg, Reuben Johannes, two penalty tries.
Conversions: Demetri Catrakilis (3), Kurt Coleman (2).


  • The Kings were afraid to play the A team cause then the score might have been 88-7

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.02.12 07:47:42 by Mutley Reply
  • The Kings aren’t ready for Super Rugby, they are currently the 10th best team in SA and they thing they have the right to demand a place. Firstly they need to earn a promotion into the Currie Cup. Secondly they need to win the Currie Cup before they can start demanding a place. As it stands now purely on results the Leopards, Pumas, Griekwas and Boland should be at the top of the pecking order of who gets a Super rugby spot not the Mighty Kings

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.02.12 07:52:04 by Mutley Reply
  • A top team like the Reds or Crusaders will see the Kings as a walking bonus point

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.02.12 07:54:28 by Mutley Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 3) : And the SA sides get to play them twice, that will help our cause to top the overall rankings quite nicely.

    2 byes and 2 warmup games DURING the season for the SA sides. We should be smiling not crying about this.

    Can you just imagine how pissed the NZ and AUS teams that don’t play the Kings are gonna be.

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.02.12 08:20:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    It’s like missing out on playing the Rebels at home..

    The only difference here is that you will be able to send your Vodacom Cup team to do the match

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.02.12 08:25:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • sorry . they played under the kings banner last night . no matter how you sugar coat it . the record will still show the Lions thrashed a kings side.

    Can you in all honest say if the EP players where involved the score would have looked much different ?

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.02.12 08:45:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 6) : Stick and Monty are Kings players. Don’t know if there are any others in the team.

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.02.12 09:19:21 by StevieS Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 6) :

    I'[m not taking anything away from your victory here, don’t get me wrong. The score would probably have been much the same anyway.

    The article is more about the confusing of teams, and who actually took part..

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.02.12 09:32:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • What the heck happened to the Stormers last night? Lack of cohesion? Valentine’s day?

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.02.12 10:17:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 9) :

    was the vodacom cup team i think ?

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.02.12 10:25:23 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 10) : Thanks, didn’t see the team sheet!

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.02.12 10:32:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • By far the best piece iv read on the warm-up match last night …no glaring agendas.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.02.12 11:09:57 by csb Reply

  • @csb (Comment 12) : We didn’t want to make your (Lions supporters) pain any worse. What with you guys being insolvent and all that. 😈

    Runs and hides. 🙂

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.02.12 11:16:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 12) :

    I didn’t see the need for anything other than try scorers and that Jantjies scored a heap of points again..

    Glad we can keep the Lions happy here as well..

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.02.12 11:19:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) :

    Your on thin ice mister 😛

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) :

    thats why we keep on coming back ..

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.02.12 11:30:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : We could always sell the Currie Cup, that should make a bit of money, and solve our financial woes. Perhaps we should sell it to the kings, they are unlikely to get their hands on it any other way! 😆

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.02.12 11:35:00 by Greg Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) : 🙂

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.02.12 11:35:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 16) : The closest they’ll get to it is by playing against it’s Champions. 🙂

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.02.12 11:36:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 16) :
    We’ll take it.

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.02.12 11:41:52 by Leviathan Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : They played against the Champions? When did that happen?

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.02.12 11:53:53 by Greg Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 20) : Last night.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.02.12 11:57:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : 88 – 0 is not really playing rugby is it?

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.02.12 11:59:32 by Greg Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 16) : As long as you don’t take the little Vrystaat plaque of it – apparently that really annoys them.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.02.12 12:00:40 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 23) : Bwhahahahahahaha 😆

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.02.12 12:10:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 23) : 😆

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.02.12 12:14:28 by Franshark Reply
  • @MysticShark (Comment 23) : to think of that, we don’t have much of those here…. Vrystaat ondersteuners…… they don’t know about the net yet 😉

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.02.12 12:16:25 by Franshark Reply
  • @Franshark (Comment 26) :

    Bloem are only getting electricity in the 2015 year..

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.02.12 12:18:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.02.12 12:28:46 by Franshark Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : The way Eskom is handling things, no one will have electricity in 2015 😆

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.02.12 12:33:43 by Greg Reply

  • Looks like the Lions are playing a trial game for some of their Vodacom/younger players, against the Pumas on Saturday. Quite an interesting side, particularly includes some of the SA U20’s in Willemse and Schmidt, and definitely there seems to be a shift in emphasis to youth.

    Lions: 15 Marais Schmidt, 14 Anthony Volmink, 13 Harold Vorster, 12 Robert du Bruyn, 11 Janus Jonker/Michael Killian, 10 Andries Coetzee, 9 Whestley Moolman, 8 Warren Whiteley (captain), 7 Uzair Cassiem, 6 Stephan de Wit, 5 Stephan Greeff, 4 Paul Willemse, 3 Jacobie Adriaanse, 2 Francois du Toit, 1 Caylib Oosthuizen.

    Replacements – form: Martin Bezuidenhout, Gideon Muller, Kene Okafor, Fabian Booysen, Nico Kruger, Garth April, Bradley Moolman, Michael Killian/Janus Jonker, JR Esterhuizen, Jaco Kriel.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.02.12 19:49:48 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 30) : These trial games make it difficult to process info for those like me who are wasting time by trying to figure out who is rated above who at the various unions.

    I think WP have the same idea in mind. The VcC team is doing to resemble an u22 side.

    I’m happy to see one of my favourites Rob de Bruyn in the team. He reminds me at times of Aussie Patty Howard, when he a playmaker at 12 in that great ACT Brumbies side.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.02.12 20:54:49 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) :

    Yep it is quite tricky, if that is their Vodacom side it is going to be a very youthful team. What is worrying for the Lions super rugby side is from a depth point of view they are going to have to rely on a lot of youth to rotate players and with inevitable injuries. Already young Ruan Botha is out for 3 weeks.

    Have you heard much about Harold Vorster their 13, straight out of school apparently? Could be one to watch.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.02.12 21:09:34 by Pat Reply

  • Glad to see young Kene finally featuring on a senior teamsheet…

    WTF did Michael Killian do wrong?

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.02.12 21:19:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    Killian, I think has been injured with a hammie strain, and is returning. Likewise Martin Bezuidenhoudt. Nice to see a few former Sharkees having prominent roles, particularly Warren Whiteley captaining them, and De Bruyn is an old MHS player I think.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.02.12 21:22:22 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 32) : Ja he must be special. I googled him. He’s from Limpopo BB. I watched a good part of their game vs Griffons from CW but I can’t remember him. Wish I’d taped it to see what he was like again.

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.02.12 21:23:09 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 35) :

    One to keep an eye on for the VC, checked his stats he 186 and 93 kg which is pretty sizeable for a backline player straight out of school. Given a bit of conditioning and some coaching he could be a decent prospect.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.02.12 21:25:39 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 36) : I agree, he must be a decent prospect. It’s not outrageous dimensions even for a guy just out of school so he must have some skills and strength to back it up as well. The easy option would have been to start Bradley Moolman.

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.02.12 21:36:29 by beet Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 36) : and I guess if they wanted a battering ram at 13, they could quite easily have turned to their junior JP du Plessis.

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.02.12 21:37:45 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 37) :

    Yep true, I dont rate Moolman at all he was hopeless at the JWC as was Skhosana, havent seen much of him at U21 level so dont really know if he is maybe better. I can only assume that he moved back due to his brother, rather than the Lions signing him.

    @beet (Comment 38) :
    Yep young Du Plessis is a sturdy player from what ive seen. Quite suprised there is no Ruan Combrinck there and that Jaco Kriel isnt starting.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.02.12 21:52:31 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 39) : So true. I expected Ruan C to be quite close to SR selection and I really like Jaco Kriel – he always shows tons of determination.

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.02.12 21:54:46 by beet Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 39) : Jaco Kriel will certainly start come Vodacom Cup time. He is probably coming off the bench after an outstanding performance (MotM)for UJ against UCT on monday night and may have a few niggles.
    Ruan Combrinck is probably a week or two away from fitness after an op late last year. If fit he will definately play. He was part of the SR group.
    I also expect a few of the guys released to play for UJ like Sebastian de Chaves, Guy Cronje, Rudi Paige and Ruan Dreyer to feature.

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.02.12 22:12:10 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 41) : Tell us about Harold Vorster please 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.02.12 22:25:09 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 41) :

    That’s interesting regarding Combrink because he looked very strong in the Lions u21 game – our Sharks u21 battled to contain him at times. Lambie and him worked really well in tandem in that MHS and Natal Schools side. Do you think he will get much game time in Super rugby? Mitchell seems to like a strong carrying wing hence his continued inclusion of Van Rensburg so he might get some opportunities.

    And do you know what has happened to Hein Cronje? He looked quite promising.
    I like Kriel and think he is a player we at the Sharks could take more of a look at perhaps as he wont get much game time at the Lions. He could help with our fetching woes.

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.02.12 22:25:35 by Pat Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : @Pat (Comment 34) :

    yes Killian is injured . He might play against the Pumas this weekend

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.02.12 07:23:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 42) : There is not much i can tell you I’m afraid. He is big, strong and quick.
    Lions played two internal warmup games within the Super rugby squad and the centre pairings were combinations of Doppies, Alwyn Hollenbach, Lionel Mapoe and Rob dB.
    I believe that Mitchell wants players who are not in the S15 match 22 to be playing Vodacom cup so if you have three backs on the bench – likely to be scrummie, flyhalf/inside back- Butch, & outside back who can cover wing and fullback – then guys like Mapoe and (when he is fit de Fountain) could be getting game time at Vodacom level.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.02.12 07:36:38 by steve Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 43) : Hein Cronje wasn’t recontracted – not sure why as I thought that he had a lot of potential. I guess he is out of U21 in 2012 and if they dont have a plan for you at the next level you become surplus to requirements. I expect that he may well turn up at the Valke as a lot of the ex EG Jansen guys do.
    Another player I am sorry to see gone is Divan Ferguson. He has been injury prone but I saw enough of him when fit to believe he could make it at 13 in particular.
    I am sure that when he is fit Ruan Combrinck will get a chance this season. Off the bench he covers the outside back position very well.
    re the combination with Lambie at school – I dont think I have seen a better schoolboy back three than Lambie, Ruan Combrinck and Mark Richards in 2007 for Michaelhouse. Richards & Combrinck are both very good fullbacks as well.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.02.12 07:51:46 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 46) : Wow! I can’t believe Hein Cronje was released. I actually thought the Lions had released Burton Francis coz they saw more potential in Hein.

    I was saying to Muzi the other day that considering the style of Morné Steyn, a running FH like Hein Cronje could offer them something totally different off the bench, he would certainly bring out the best in the centres imho.


  • Comment 47, posted at 16.02.12 08:00:07 by beet Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 46) : @beet (Comment 47) :

    Also a bit shocked about Hein . He looked good in the games i saw him play.

    But i think Guy Cronje must have jumped him in the Queue. if he is not u/21 anymore it would be a problem as we already have Butch , Elton and Guy .

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.02.12 08:09:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 48) : I’m far from convinced that Guy is better than Hein but you’re right the signing of Guy must have influenced the decision.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.02.12 08:19:51 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 49) :

    i think it might have more been a case of we need Ross Cronje and must have both Cronje brothers then Guy being better then Hein .

    But if one has to cry about every player that leaves your union you would become very dehydrated very quickly

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.02.12 08:28:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 47) : I think that the first year out of U21’s is the difficult one to negotiate for all these young pro rugby players. I understand that the franchises have all trimmed their senior squads.
    In some regions varsity Cup offers the ideal transition for players not getting game time at senior level and I might have expected Hein to turn out for UJ.
    It seems that young guys like Andries Coetzee, also very much a running flyhalf, and Marias Schmidt are preferred to cover 10 (along with Guy Cronje). They may be percieved to have better kicking games than Hein.

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.02.12 08:31:54 by steve Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 48) : I guess that hits the nail on the head – you have three contracted senior 10’s in Elton, Butch and Guy Cronje backed up by Andries Coetzee (ist year out of U21) and marias Schmidt (U20)who can both play 15 & 10.
    Incidentally, many of my Monna’s mates are firmly of the view that Jaco Taute’s best position is flyhalf

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.02.12 08:42:48 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 52) :

    Yes would be interesting to have Taute at 10 . But he is damm potent at full back as well . So i like that we can have both Elton And Taute in the same team . No complaints from my side in that regard

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.02.12 09:11:23 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 52) :

    Interesting Steve and thanks for the update. I think Taute would be very good closer to the action as he has all the requisite attributes. However, I think at this moment it is better to keep him at 15 where he will get the most gametime and can learn the intricacies of backline play, ala Steve Larkham when he played 15 for the Brumbies. I also think he could make a very good 12.

    I notice that young Ruan Botha really impressed in the game against the Kings, Mitchell seemed to heap some praise on the young lad. Looks like he could get some game time which would be really interesting.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.02.12 10:11:44 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 54) : I like Ruan Botha as a no 4 jumper. He is very tall and provides secure line out ball. He does need to bulk up a bit though which I am sure he will as he’s still U20 this year. He has a perfect foil at u20 level in the shorter, but much more physical Ruan Venter who should be ready to play again soon.
    I like Taute where he is – although he has the talent to play anywhere – do wonder if he may not follow in the footsteps of another Monna’s product, Jacque Fourie, and end up at 13 (where he has played for SA U20). Their stories are very similar – both bursting on to the scene as 18 year olds at fullback. hard to believe that taute is still eligible for U21 rugby this year.

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.02.12 11:02:47 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 55) :

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Taute ends up at centre.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.02.12 11:07:06 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 56) : Lions have options at centre: Hollenbach, Mapoe oh and don`t forget their vice captain.

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.02.12 11:25:25 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 56) : ja – I like him a lot at 13

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.02.12 11:26:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 57) :

    Only takes one fullback to come through, and they’ll move Taute to the midfield.

    His skill-set seems better suited to the position. Not saying he’s a bad fullback, but the weaknesses he does appear to have at the back wouldn’t matter at centre.

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.02.12 11:30:42 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) :

    David & Mathys Smit both currently part of the SA U20 squad…

    Who knows!

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.02.12 11:33:54 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) :

    I can see him moving there in the future but not for awhile yet. Doppies and Hollenbach are a good mix and complement each other well. La Grange is crucial to the way the Lions play the game, being a 2nd looseforward and he provides important leadership in the backline, so at this stage I think they will stay where they are.

    @steve (Comment 55) :

    The parallels are incredibly similar! Great player and it is fantastic that we are producing some really good young talent in the backline. Just hope they all step up now and produce the goods in Super rugby.

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.02.12 11:41:29 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 61) :

    Tell you what… Unless SANZAR give in, I don’t see how the Lions will survive past this season. Could be next year that all these players are playing elsewhere.

    Taute could be the Sharks centre this time next year :mrgreen:

    A real shame, but what can you do! I don’t have R100m spare change… nor would I trust Kevin de Klerk with it 😆

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.02.12 11:47:33 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) :

    Outside of that, they are so far in depth, you have to wonder if it’s not just a ticking time bomb – even if they stayed in Super Rugby.

    Not much value in Ellis Park anymore is there? Unless they get out of debt, by some miracle, they’re finished.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.02.12 11:52:29 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) :

    I dont know, I think the Lions are actually going to be very competitive this year and quite hard to beat particularly at home. Whilst they will probably have their inevitable blips here and there, I think it is going to be a very competitive South African conference grouping with a much more level playing field than people might ancitipate.

    Regarding the Lions I think their cohesion from the Currie Cup will help them immensely, granted there is a differene between CC and Super rugby. Additionally not many of the NZ/Aus teams like playing on the highveld and it might be more difficult for them playing there now, eg the Canes start off playing down in CT and then travel up to JHB, so I think it is going to be very interesting. They also have quite a nice draw, most of their matches are at home initially which could give them some good momentum, so I wouldnt write them off just yet. As for their financial woes, I really dont know what to make of it, they seem to be gathering financial investment along the way which I dont think they would have got if their finances were as precarious as some are making out. I think it comes back to that old adage of dont believe everything you read in the papers.

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.02.12 12:01:40 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 64) :

    These things more often then not turn out to be true.

    And I don’t see the Lions winning enough SA derby games.

    When everybody sends out their strongest XV’s, only the Cheetahs look in with a chance of competing with the top 3.

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.02.12 12:19:22 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 65) :
    “And I don’t see the Lions winning enough SA derby games”

    Is your TV broken?

    😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.02.12 12:34:11 by Greg Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 66) :

    😆 😆 😆 Watching the Lions play, I hope it does break!

    I’ll be pleasantly surprised if they don’t finish at the bottom… but they’ll have to win at least one or two games overseas as well. Whether last year was a fluke or not, I don’t know.

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.02.12 12:41:27 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 64) :

    Agreed . Nobody thought we could win the CC . and we did .

    Last year we lost 5 games by 7 or less points and drew against the Sharks .

    If we can win about half those games this time around it will be a huge improvement already ..

    dont write the Lions off .. yet .

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.02.12 12:46:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 66) :

    i think it might be more than his tv …

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.02.12 12:47:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 68) :

    And the Cheetahs lost 7 games by 7 or less, drew a game, and still finished above the Lions…

    Mismanagement. Only reason the Lions are in the spot they’re in now.

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  • Comment 71, posted at 16.02.12 12:58:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 70) :

    so why has Province been super chokers for the last 10 years ? Not winning one decant thing

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.02.12 12:59:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 72) :

    Different scenario. You could probably still use ‘mismanagement’, but as far as I know, they have their finances in order?

    Not long ago I remember Luyt claiming the Lions were out of debt, and owned Ellis Park.

    Now most of it has been sold? And they are close to R100m in debt?

    WP management just interfere too much… or so it sounds.

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.02.12 13:07:49 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 73) :

    so you have then seen both the Province and Lions financial statements ?

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.02.12 13:14:23 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 74) :


    Don’t worry then.

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.02.12 13:15:27 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 75) :

    im just asking . Cause every man and his dog has an opinion about whats going at the lions.

    So the news papers placed a 2010 Audit by KPMG . Ill also post my bank statements from 2010 . ill guarantee you it does not almost look the same . new sponsors new investors ect ect

    writing something doesnt make it true . IF Rob want to he can run a story everyday that Herbt is the best prop in the whole world . he can change a few words tomorrow and run it again . and he can do that for the next year . he has the platform to do it . does it make it true ? no.

    Until such time that the Lions are declared bankrupt by a court or somebody with the power to do so , they are not bankrupt . No matter how much rumors go around .

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.02.12 13:33:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 76) :

    Fair point, but regardless of sponsors and so on, I don’t see any way they can dig themselves out of their current financial situation, if any of the rumors are even slightly true.

    On the other hand, the rumors aren’t doing them any favors in trying to dig themselves out of their situation.

    I just don’t understand how somebody runs something so far into the ground. Ridiculous.

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.02.12 13:44:38 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) :

    You see thats why we have a new equity partner . Money .

    Dont worry about the Lions being around . We will 😛

    About running something into the ground . I think the Cats merger screwed a lot up for both sides. Its no coincidence that both unions are struggling.

    Thats why i think the Rumors are just rumors . Do you think new sponsors would buy into a bankrupt union ? i dont think so ?

    might be wrong . maybe some people have a lot of money to throw around . maybe not . We will see .

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.02.12 13:55:36 by Zibbie Reply
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