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Sharks must go for experience


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 20 Feb 2012 at 10:35
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Those reading the headline, then checking the author of this piece, may just find themselves doing a double take. Could it really be me suggesting that the Sharks should do something other than backing their own youth structures?

The reality, though, is that the Sharks simply cannot afford to gamble on adding a prop with no senior rugby experience at all to their squad to cover for Julian Redelinghuys, not now that they’re already without so many key men up front for one reason or other. While it’s true that Redelinghuys himself is hardly the grizzliest or most battle hardened of contenders, he’s at least a bloke who’s been in and around the squad for a good few years, with a handful of Currie Cup caps under his belt, in addition to several Vodacom Cup campaigns.

When Beast went down, in short, it was the right decision to back Redelinghuys as the fourth prop in the squad. Now that we’re back down to three, though, Plumtree and the boys simply have to bring in an experienced campaigner from elsewhere.

Different position require different things of player, as we know and while one can, in some cases, expose a 19 or 20-year-old backline player straight out of the junior ranks to Super Rugby, it seldom works at the coalface and I believe that the safety of the player has to take precedence, in this case. Exposing a young prop to the likes of the Crusaders’ Franks brothers simply isn’t a responsible thing to do (regardless of what the Stormers think) and the ensuing damage, both physically and mentally, could go on to have far-reaching implications on that player’s future career. While the Sharks continue to do well in procuring and nurturing front row talent, with the likes of Danie Mienie, Nick Schonert, Allan Dell and Nicolaas van Dyk all set to make huge strides in black and white in years to come, I struggle to convince myself that any of them is yet ready to step into the cauldron that is Super Rugby.

Where does one look, then? We need to remember that this is a temporary problem and requires a temporary solution, just until Beast and Julian are fit enough to play again. The Sharks, I feel, need to bring in a front ranker with genuine Super Rugby, or better yet, international experience, with the option of sending him back after 6 months or so. Given the lateness of the hour, it’s unlikely that one will be found on the local scene (unless I’ve missed someone obvious), so I dearly hope that the powers that be will be having a look at Europe or perhaps even Argentina to find a suitable “meat shield” to bring into the squad.

Whatever the case, though, the Sharks will be going to Loftus this weekend with only three props – that may well have been the coach’s plan all along, but if he were thinking about stacking the bench with props, just in case, that option is no longer available.


52 Comments

  • I wasn’t happy with the idea of bringing in a prop after the Beast situation, and I still am not entirely convinced we HAVE to loan in a player, I would rather be safe than sorry in this case, and at least put feelers out for a player.

    What about loaning a player from within the Super Rugby competition, say from a New Zealand team who might have a few extra props running around..

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.02.12 10:39:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • 😈 I am sure the Sharks management are looking to employ a good prop for a short term. I would invest in a guy for 2 – 3 seasons in this key position even if it breaks the bank. I would propose to look at relegated players in SA. My first choice: Jaco Engels of the kings. He has played SR and maybe – If he moves up, he might just ignite the passion? 😈

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.02.12 10:43:14 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 2) :

    And sign him for 2 – 3 years?

    Seriously dude..

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.02.12 10:44:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 2) : his attitude stinks though… apparently he was again trying to get into fights with the Sharks guys this weekend.

    I’m going to backtrack on that one and say ANYONE but him.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.02.12 10:45:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 2) : no – sorry, I’m not looking for more that 6 months TOPS.

    What would we do with this oke we bring in for 3 years once Beast is back?

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.02.12 10:47:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    If Engels is the solution, rather back a youngster and risk it than have that ex-Bull going around in a Black and White jersey causing mayhem..

    Nee dankie..

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.02.12 10:51:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I totally agree with Rob. We need a quality prop on a short term basis.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.02.12 10:56:11 by JarsonX Reply
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  • What about BG Uys at the Leopards? I’ve heard good things about this guy. I would have also recommended Engels but not if he has that kind of attitude

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.02.12 10:56:32 by slammerboy Reply
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  • I saw that headline and thought. Who The Hell Wrote That!?!?!? 😆

    now let me read the article. 🙂

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.02.12 10:57:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : If you invest in someone for a short term, you may not get the passion to play winning rugby and there will be plenty of rugby and injury. His attitude is something we can work on. If he is still aggresive then it is a good sign. He is frustrated with the league he is relegated to. He might be an affordable solution for this reason. The CC is also a big competition where he can help bring the youngsters through without damaging them. We need someone who can play the local hard darbeys and a short term contract will not be able to bring enough heart, I believe.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.02.12 10:59:46 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Ah okay I see you are only refering to the prop concern. I thought you meant as part of the squad for this weekend.

    All is forgiven. 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.02.12 11:04:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • A lot of guys will jump at a chance to play Super rugby imho.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.02.12 11:06:32 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 12) : 😈 I agree. We can look at the local CC teams for a guy who plays his heart out. A local prop given the oppertunity should be quiker on the pace than an northern region guy. It seems to take those players a season of conditioning before they can stay in pace with SR. We have had tough CC games against Pumas & Leopards. 😈

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.02.12 11:15:19 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • The Sharks have just been plain retarded in their approach to this issue. Last year they had 5 recognised props, 4 with plenty of experience.

    This year once the Beast went down, we had a short term reduction to just 4 “ready” props of which only 1 now has much SR experience to fall back on.

    The Sharks a playing a high risk game right now. If their stategic approach for getting through this extra long campaign was based on incurring zero injuries up front, so far it’s backfired.

    When they released van Staaten, I thought they had a plan in mind to bring in a younger prop, when the Beast was injured, warning bells were telling them it was an absolute must to contract someone to fit in somewhere, now Redelinghuys is out. The thin line is just too fine.

    Whether we like it or not, the Sharks are just 1 injury away from backing a player whose wet behind the ears. Really poor planning.

    On the bright side maybe one of these youngsters will step up big time and surprise everyone.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.02.12 11:24:06 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 14) :

    So what you are saying is that we should put Dale Chadwick in our fantasy teams ??

    No, I’m just kidding..

    I hear what you are saying beet, and you make some good points. It is unfortunate that two players in the same position went down after we sold 1 a month ago, leaving us three props down..

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.02.12 11:26:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 14) :

    What do you know about John Roy Jenkinson, SA Under 20 prop last year?

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.02.12 11:29:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) :

    I know he is a Glenwood boy, and that he was at the Sharks at some point, but I heard some interesting things this weekend..

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.02.12 11:30:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Redelighuis is crocked. Out for 3-4 months.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.02.12 11:32:39 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : he played Craven Week for KZN, but went to the Leopards straight after school.

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.02.12 11:37:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 18) : where did you hear that?

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.02.12 11:37:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sharks official twitter feed. He crocked an ankle against the Kings.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.02.12 11:39:42 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) : Good short stocky TIGHTHEAD prop much like Julian Redelinghuys.

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : The most interesting thing I know about him is that despite the fancy name and surname, he’s a 100% suiwer Afrikaans-sprekende boytjie :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.02.12 11:42:04 by beet Reply
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  • Hell who can we buy? BJ Botha?

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.02.12 11:43:04 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 21) : oh shot… thanks

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.02.12 11:43:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 23) : hope that Munster and Leinster get knocked out of the Heineken Cup and then give one of BJ Botha, Heinke vd Merwe or Wiaan du Preez a call!

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.02.12 11:48:15 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 25) : The next HC round is in April. A bit to late then.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.02.12 11:51:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 22) :

    He went to my school.. Kuswag

    Seems to be the home of fancy named afrikaans-speaking-people

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.02.12 11:53:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @beet,John Roy Jenkinson is afrikaans? Thought he was an English boy

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.02.12 11:54:27 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 28) :

    Very much Afrikaans..

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.02.12 11:57:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : When did he transfer to Glenwood then???

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.02.12 12:04:29 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) : you mean when did Glenwood buy him…

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.02.12 12:06:06 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) :

    Quite early in his high school career, if my sources are right.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.02.12 12:06:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 31) : :mrgreen: All top rugby schools “buy” players.

    Nice thing about the KZN big schools is they really look after acquired players.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.02.12 12:20:07 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : “apparently”…

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.02.12 12:34:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 33) :

    I’ve heard a few horro stories.. to be honest..

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.02.12 12:37:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 10) : agree.he might just become something of a revelation playing in the sharks jersey.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.02.12 12:41:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 35) : At Kearsney, Michaelhouse, Hilton, College, Westville and Glenwood, the boys are in really good hands. I can’t imagine any horror stories stemming from treatment at one of these schools.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.02.12 12:48:02 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 37) :

    I know no names, but apparently a story of a first choice flyhalf at a smaller school got promised first team rugby, ends up he is playing C team while the A team are in Argentina and the B team playing in that night series..

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.02.12 12:49:19 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 37) :

    But this is all talk, I have no facts, so I am not even going to get into a debate about it..

    Im just sharing what I have heard..

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.02.12 12:50:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : I wonder if its the same story I heard about last year April/May.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.02.12 12:56:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I always thought it was a bit stupid for the Sharks to release Van Staaden as we dont exactly have hundreds of props lying around. So Weihan Herbst will be on the bench this week. Say on Friday Chadwick goes down injured and then Jannie Dup picks up a niggle the next week. Who is next in line? Youngsters that have only played u19 and u21 rugby? Eish…i hope there arent many scrums. Looking around the club scene I cant think of too many guys to step in either. And chnace sof bringing in a quality guy at this time is quite slim. Anyone kno if Ollie or Os are free??

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.02.12 13:10:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : “we dont exactly have hundreds of props lying around”?

    I think the problem is that we do have hundreds of them lying around cos they’re injured…

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.02.12 13:14:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : We only realy have 2 injured in Beast and now Redelinghuis. I cant understand the logic around getting Van Staaden in just for him to be let go like that! How would you rank the props outside the 3 that will play on Friday?? I think you will scratch ur head a bit to think of genuine contenders for Super Rugby spots.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.02.12 13:24:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : at this stage, yes, hence the clear suggestion in the article that we should get someone else in temporarily 🙂

    Without injuries, though, we have more than enough good props in Beast, Jannie, Wors, Dale and Julian, with Kyle Cooper as a possible stand-in at loosehead.

    In other words, there is no systematic failing here, just a run of bad luck.

    I expect Dell, Schonert and van Dyk to all step up in the Vodacom Cup this year in a big way… come Currie Cup time, we’ll be overflowing with props fighting for game time.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.02.12 13:29:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) :

    Dell and Schonert aren’t far away from Super Rugby, I think we will see them featuring in the 2013 Super Rugby campaign..

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.02.12 13:30:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 38) : That’s hardly a horror story. 🙂

    I’ve watched this school’s C team play against other schools A teams recently. They are well drilled and play with good brand of rugby, resulting in narrow loses to these A teams, with many players proving in the process that they could play for these other schools A teams. This tells me the coaching of the C team at that school is very good.

    Having communicated with several 1st team coaches this season, they all say more or less the same thing, no player, no matter how special he is guaranteed a spot in the 1st team, they have to earn it.

    I can’t imagine it will be any different at the said school + the season hasn’t really even began yet, there is still ample opportunity for a player like that to win a place in the A team.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.02.12 13:31:09 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 46) :

    As I say.. this was all discussed on a Saturday morning watching U13 rugby in the pouring rain, so I am not putting any weight behind these stories.

    I have little to no rugby knowledge when it comes to the school scene.

    You must let me know if you are planning to be at a school game anytime soon, would love to check out the proper games.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.02.12 13:35:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 47) : There has been 1 notable exception from College but for my experience the 2nd team players dads are often the worst people to talk to. The coach has always got it wrong in their opinion. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.02.12 13:37:37 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Unfortunately i dont share your optimism Rob. Beast is still quite some time away from being able to play, and by the sounds of it Julian will be out for a while too. Julian has been very injury prone in recent years so I wouldnt count too much on him as a standard fixture. Dell and Van Dyk played u19 last year…im all for giving a good youngster a go, but a young prop can easily get a sound beating as you cant buy experience in the front row no matter how good a youngster you are. Schonert has SA u20 and Vodacom Cup experience so maybe he can fill. As for Cooper at prop…dont create another Smitty story! Everything may look fine but heaven forbid injuries to Dale & Jannie next Fri and Mr Plumtree will start to sweat I think!

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.02.12 13:38:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 48) :

    I can only imagine!

    The parents go a little mental when their little boytjie is involved..

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.02.12 13:39:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : Sheldon, did you read the article?

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.02.12 13:45:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I did. My argument is that the chances of getting someone in is pretty slim unless they are 2nd rate. On that note what about any of the Griquas/Pumas props that arent being used?? I just feel that the Sharks always had good front row players so a premium wasnt really placed on thinking of bringing in new guys and instead the Union looked more at the backline. Perhaps this is the year where the Union looks at beefing up the front row stocks!

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