Richard Ferguson

Cheetahs selections for the greater good

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Super Rugby on 23 Feb 2012 at 08:18
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The reasoning behind the Cheetahs’ strange selections have been explained in the Volksblad this morning, with the Cheetahs’ backline coach coming clean.

Should the Cheetahs have selected their preferred inside backs of Piet van Zyl, Johan Goosen and Philip Snyman, the three would have had no Super Rugby experience between them

The decision to name Tewis de Bruyn and Andries Strauss has all to do with surrounding the young flyhalf with as much experience as possible, ahead of his Super Rugby debut.

Both Piet van Zyl and Philip Snyman started the majority of the preseason game inside and outside Goosen, with van Zyl managing a spot on the bench and Snyman not even making the match 22.

In other news, Lappies Labuschagné has had to withdraw from the team as a result of his shoulder injury in a Varsity Cup clash on Monday night, and Philip van der Walt will take his place in the starting line up.


  • Do they actually rate Lappies more than Phillip van der Walt?

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.02.12 08:22:41 by Ludz Reply
  • “Andries Strauss out of position at inside centre” ??

    Wasn’t that where he excelled for the Sharks and received his Bok call-up to play against the Baa-Baas?? I thought that Strauss and Eberhson would be their starting centre combination anyway.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.02.12 08:32:12 by ChrisS Reply
  • Isn’t Andries Struass an inside center?

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.02.12 08:32:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 1) :

    Countering the Lions playing both Cobus Grobbelaar & Derick Minnie.

    Not always a case of the best XV. Your (supposed) best XV aren’t always the best XV for the opposition your facing.

    Agree with them playing Tewis de Bruyn as well. With Tewis they know what they’re going to get, in a game they MUST WIN. If they lose this, they are probably looking at missing out to the Kings.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.02.12 08:41:34 by hendrikp Reply

  • Andries Strauss out of position at 12!??? It’s not April the 1st is it?

    Hope it was a typo and not done of purpose, cos that is almost the same as saying Beast is a tighthead prop.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.02.12 08:45:02 by JJR Reply
  • @ChrisS (Comment 2) :
    @Letgo (Comment 3) :
    Somewhere down the line someone has been smoking their socks. Strauss is an out and out 12. Way too little pace for 13 anyway.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.02.12 08:47:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • No Man !! Johan Goosen is the Next Spring Bok flyhalve .. he doesnt need experience around him ! he is good enough !!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.02.12 08:52:38 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : Baffling comment ain’t it…a mistake a very very casual rugby fan/Glory Supporter would make…like most Bulls fans, they all come out of hiding when the Bulls do well.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.02.12 08:53:02 by JJR Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 7) : I think Naka make the right choices, i think Tewis and Strauss are better than Van Zyl and Snyman anyway, even if they didn’t have any experience.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.02.12 08:54:48 by JJR Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 7) :
    He was born experienced!

    Elton is doomed.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.02.12 08:56:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 7) :

    The sarcasm is getting a bit boring. Just saying.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.02.12 09:02:16 by hendrikp Reply

  • @ChrisS (Comment 2) :
    @Letgo (Comment 3) :
    @JJR (Comment 5) :
    @Big Fish (Comment 6) :
    @JJR (Comment 8) :

    Apologies – early morning writing..

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.02.12 09:05:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I reckon Sarcasm should be banned on here unless people use a 😉 …we can’t fn make out when people are being sarcastic, especially when they aren’t really obvious.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.02.12 09:05:51 by JJR Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : No Worries,we have early morning agro 😉 🙂

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.02.12 09:06:48 by JJR Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 10) :

    🙁 so True …

    @hendrikp (Comment 11) :

    haha . aim i getting to you my man 😛 not use to having your opinion bantered ?

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.02.12 09:07:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 13) :

    With Zibbie and co. it’s pretty easy to tell.

    “Lions are CC champions now. That means any Lion who is tipped for Springbok honors is first in line. Don’t bother with Goosen, Jantjies is a class act.”

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.02.12 09:07:51 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) :

    Nope . im hoping for Lambie to be bok 10 :p but you knew that already …

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.02.12 09:08:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) :

    I’m fine with it… it’s the stupidity you add to it which makes me cringe.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.02.12 09:09:34 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) :

    You have to admit saying he will be bok fly halve just because he will is not a good enough reason .. needs to prove himself

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.02.12 09:10:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 17) :

    Fair enough. Won’t happen though.

    The Boks will continue as a strong defensive team, and will pick players that have the best goal-kicking percentages, and work from there.

    Time to accept it and move on.

    And yes, you’re only hope of replacing Morne, which many seem to want to do, is to hope that Goosen becomes the all-round flyhalf you’ve all been hoping for.

    It’s not going to be Lambie, fact.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.02.12 09:11:23 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 19) :

    Fair enough. Sorry my previous post was a bit harsh… but I never said he doesn’t need to grow.

    My Bok flyhalf would be Morne Steyn, just to clear things up.

    I don’t want to lose close games because we couldn’t slot kicks from halfway… It’s a necessary skill that Lambie doesn’t possess at this stage.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.02.12 09:13:11 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 21) :

    And yes, we have Frans Steyn… but goal-kicking in general also.

    What did Goosen kick during the CC? Close to around 97% if I remember correctly…

    Morne also hardly ever misses.

    The Boks won’t go into a game without one of these guys. They’d be crazy to do it.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.02.12 09:15:16 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : Jantjies won’t be succesful at international level, and i’m looking forward to see the Lions take some big defeats this season…I hate arrogant John Mitchell, and he can’t think CC comes anywhere close to Superugby, especially when Boks are flying in and out of CC all the time…

    There is a reason the Lions don’t have any current Boks, most of their players are as average as they come…they certainly look like a CC lineup, not like a superugby lineup.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.02.12 09:15:24 by JJR Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 21) :

    Well ok we need to have Frans Steyn in the team at 12 . thats who im assuming will play 12 if we pick Lambie at 10

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.02.12 09:16:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 23) :

    haters be hating 😛

    we will see my man we will see . Big game on Saturday.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.02.12 09:21:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : A phrase springs to mind here, can’t really remember exactly how it goes, something about pots and kettles, and their relative colours?

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.02.12 09:29:28 by Greg Reply

  • @JJR (Comment 23) :

    I agree with you… Jantjies had a good CC season, but I just don’t rate the guy all that highly.

    I’m sure the Lions will win a few games, because while Mitchell is a genuine prick who definitely gets up to some very shady things, he has instilled a hard-working culture within the Lions franchise… They won’t win enough though, and hopefully not enough to avoid relegation. I’d hate to see the Cheetahs go down 😐

    @Zibbie (Comment 24) :

    Even then I think for accuracy, and distance clearing your line they’ll go with Morne Steyn.

    Lambie is just not the type of 10 Heyneke is going to pick as his first-choice. Off the bench he might be able to do a job there… Hard to say because I rate Lambie (as a rugby player) as much as the next guy, but he’s not the 10 for the 2012-15 Boks.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.02.12 09:33:44 by hendrikp Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 25) : You will beat the cheetahs, i will give u that…i hatin cos Lions actually believe they can win Superugby? There is being positive and just being darn Crazy…Lions will finish bottom 5 of superugby 4 sure, i have no doubt. My theory has backing, as simple as just comparing their squad with everyone else…Lions lack some serious quality to be anywhere close to contenders for superugby.

    Good Coaching and Team spirit can only take a team so far; Quality is what takes teams to the next level…watch how the Crusaders dip in form and the Chiefs perform a lot better…Quality in and Quality out.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.02.12 09:37:18 by JJR Reply
  • @JJR (Comment 28) :

    Don’t think they’ll beat the Cheetahs.

    Last season the Cheetahs put almost 50 over them. Another years experience… sorting out their game-plan and so forth, and adding Goosen who is going to slot them from everywhere, only makes the Cheetahs harder to beat.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.02.12 09:42:27 by hendrikp Reply

  • @JJR (Comment 28) :

    I believe rugby is (like life) as much in the mind as its on the field . if i believe im weaker then you i will probably loose . But if i believe i will win you you might actually do it .

    Same with Goosen . if he believes he is the Best FH in south africa he will probably be it . there is a reason why confident people reach the top

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.02.12 09:44:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 28) :

    Think the Crusaders is a bad example hey. I’m picking them to win it overall, they look very impressive.

    Crotty is a heck of a good 12, IMO better then SBW who narrowed down what the Crusaders could do in their backline. One-trick ponies in the midfield are never a sustained success. SBW is a good offloader, not a good rugby player.

    That, adding a bit of depth in each position and bringing in Tom Donnelly as a starting lock will make them near unbeatable this season I reckon.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.02.12 09:45:15 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 31) :

    At least in the latter stages when they have McCaw & Todd back also, but Bleyendaal & Todd are also two very very good players, who would be starting almost everywhere else.

    Also, look for Robbie Fruean to score a lot of tries and end up as the unanimous choice for best centre in SR 2012.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.02.12 09:48:06 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 29) :

    But we beat them in the other game . if we go in with the we got whipped mentality we probably will get whipped

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.02.12 09:49:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Guys, remember we don’t tolerate personal attacks or name-calling here. Smarten up, please.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.02.12 09:50:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 23) :


    Have you met John Mitchell ?

    Give me an example of his arrogance …

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.02.12 10:13:02 by csb Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 27) :

    Im growing raher tired of your snipes at John Mitchell ..I know you reside in NZ and there is resentment towards the man for the failed WC …

    I have loads of kiwi friends that have moved on from that and recognize that he is a excellent coach …

    Atleast he was man enough to come out and work on his inter-personal skills ..hell even got help for it …

    I ask you have you met the man ?

    You have called him a prick and a Nazi ..what do you base this on …your disdain of all things Lions and Mitchell is well documented …childish if you ask me.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.02.12 10:18:18 by csb Reply

  • so tired of this my team is better than yours, and the stormers have got somuch depth etc. can’t wait for the rugby to start and let the results speak for themselves.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.02.12 10:43:05 by MJ Reply

  • @MJ (Comment 37) :
    You and me both brother.

    And for the record, this hatred for the Lions is of such a degree that some folks seem to need therapy.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.02.12 10:48:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 38) :

    and we have not even violated any other rugby team in such a long time 😛

    I think they might be a few x lions supporters 😈

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.02.12 10:56:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 36) :

    I’ve met him yes.

    And I don’t argue with him being a good coach… maybe you should go read what I said again.

    Never referred to him as a ‘Nazi’. But I know a thing or two, that I’ve been told by someone who is coaching at a very high level in New Zealand, about his behavior during his time as AB’s coach.

    So yes, I’m entitled to call him a prick if I choose to.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.02.12 11:27:53 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 40) :
    Ah the old Iv been told garabage ..

    Mate you did call him a Nazi ..not today but its been said ..I have met him numerous times and spent time with him he is a passionate rugby man and a pleasure to be around …go and read what I said he has made changes to his atitude.

    Which sadly I can’t say for you ..but you young and should hopefully grow up.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.02.12 11:41:18 by csb Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 40) : @csb (Comment 41) :

    Personally i dont care about who he is in his personal life . as long as the Lions win he can be a clown in a circus for all i care

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.02.12 11:48:38 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 41) :

    Ag shame. Think I care about your opinion pal? You don’t know anything about me, or half the stuff this guy has gotten up to.

    People don’t change. Like I’ve ALREADY SAID, he is a good coach, but he’s still a prick.

    Are you upset that I don’t like your claim to fame? 😆

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.02.12 11:52:34 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) :
    Dude, you’re coming across like a 13-year old. And no, I don’t think you care about my opinion of you – I’m just saying.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.02.12 12:09:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @MJ (Comment 37) : 100% agreed.

    @hendrikp (Comment 43) : Then it will come as a very pleasant surprise to you one day that people can and do change all the time! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.02.12 12:13:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : I want to choose Stromers as my LMS team for a round, but I’m not sure about their depth for later rounds, maybe, can you please elaborate on their depth for me.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.02.12 12:24:42 by MJ Reply

  • @MJ (Comment 37) : @Big Fish (Comment 38) : Apropos of nothing, here is how I would like the conferences to play out. Note to all bloggers of knee-jerk, itchy-trigger-finger type of disposition (and their ranks seem to be swelling), this is a WISH and not a PREDICTION.

    1) Sharks
    2) Lions
    3) Cheetahs
    4) Stormers
    5) Bulls

    1) Blues
    2) Crusaders
    3) Highlanders
    4) Chiefs
    5) Hurricanes

    1) Reds
    6) Brumbies/Force/Rebels
    10) ‘Tahs

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.02.12 12:25:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 47) : I’d actually like for the brumbies to do well for jakes sake.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.02.12 12:35:18 by MJ Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 31) : Crusaders will lose 2morrow.

    @Zibbie (Comment 30) : Goosen has the right to be confident, he has the talent to back it up.

    @csb (Comment 35) : Have not met him, NO. His words speak loud and clearly, and did you watch master plan on SS during thw WC last year, he basically kept writing off and discarding everything H.Meyer said, he always disagreed…it sounded arrogant to me.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.02.12 12:42:00 by JJR Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) :

    I rest my case …good luck to you.

    @JJR (Comment 49) :

    Well isn’t that the reason to have differing opnions on a rugby show ..gets rather boring if everyone back-slapping each other.
    Perhaps he was a little naar for not having won with the ABs when he was in charge 😉

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.02.12 12:54:29 by csb Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 47) :
    I’ll sign up for that.

    My leave is signed off – party on!

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.02.12 12:54:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 49) :

    Talent doesnt help much if you cant perform . but we will see .

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.02.12 12:55:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 47) :

    I like !

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.02.12 12:55:27 by csb Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 52) : All i am saying is that the Lions should look at their situation realistically, and not place unattainable goals for superugby…i think that is what they are doing.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.02.12 13:01:02 by JJR Reply
  • @JJR (Comment 54) :

    Nah . we will stay positive . Mitch will have the players minds in the right place . They players should back their ability . they can do it . they just need to believe .

    The Lions spent to long with ‘minderwaardigheidskompleks’. that needs to change and it has been changing for a while now .

    its like studying for a test . if you aim for 60 % you will probably end up with 40 % . but if you aim for 100 % you will end up with 80 % .

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.02.12 13:05:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : would you kind sirs and ladies stop talking about the get together tomorrow! I am already so green with envy any more and I’ll be growing branches 😥

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.02.12 13:07:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 55) : I think the Lions pack looks Solid this year with Roodt in there; but the Biggest worry for the Lions IMO, is the Centres, Great Defenders, but superugby has often showed that the most attacking teams are the ones that end at the top of the pile…i just wonder if the Lions backs will complement some of the good work i think the Starting pack could provide.

    And Bondesio…a lot of question marks…get Ross Cronje in there and the Lions will be a lot more effective on attack.

    My Lions team(All players fit), if Lions are hoping to Finish top 8-10.

    1. Cj Van der linde
    5.Van der Merwe
    12.Le Grange

    Best starting XV for Lions me thinks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.02.12 13:22:26 by JJR Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 52) :
    That’s my gripe. I find this habit of some bloggers of saying that some talented kid WILL rewrite rugby history based on some early promise to be infuriating. Similarly this matter-of-fact way of talking up or writing off certain favoured teams – like its destined and they have read the tea-leaves.

    Plenty of young stars never made it – Bosman and Waylon were Boks at 20, and gone since then. Other made it late – like Honibal or Andre Joubert. Life isn’t that predictable.

    @JJR (Comment 54) :
    Hating a team for being ambitious seems rather small-minded. Would anyone have predicted a Lions CC victory last year?

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.02.12 13:27:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 57) :

    Not a bad side ..No Jantjies ..

    The Stormers made the play-offs last year with a defensive mind set.

    Scrummie is definatly a concern for us …not concerned about our centers its a shame Waylon is out.

    And a fit Rhodes is a must in the starting 22…have high hopes for that kid.

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.02.12 13:28:06 by csb Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 58) :

    i agree with that . Look i have no problem with Goosen . But he really needs to prove him self . Same with Elton . He had a bad SR season last year . He needs to show that he can play well at SR level . He has shown in the Currie cup that he has the potential to do it .

    Im very nervous about the game against the Cheetahs .. im glad im not playing cause im sure i would have cocked it up ..

    For me the Sharks should be the best SA bet . they have a great team and good backup .

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.02.12 13:36:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 56) :

    BF is talking about a totally different get together. 😉

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.02.12 13:36:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 61) : oh that’s right! The big fish is getting hitched!:oops: enjoy it then big fish 🙂

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.02.12 13:43:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 58) : Never said i hate the team…i don’t like the coach.

    I just don’t like it when people really unrealistically rate themselves high or low(Humble brag)…it would be like Alan Solomans saying Kings will win Superugby in thier first season or the other side, the Crusaders saying they will struggle to make to the Knockouts.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.02.12 13:52:54 by JJR Reply
  • @JJR (Comment 63) :

    Or a person not given any chance at walking believe and attempting to do so ?

    Its all in the mind my man 😉

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.02.12 13:55:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 64) :

    would you have said 4 years ago the Reds are realistic in expecting to win SR ?

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.02.12 14:11:31 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 64) : @Zibbie (Comment 65) : No, Don’t think Reds would’ve won; but i thought a lot of winning last year had to do with their easy conference 😉 . Saffas and New Zealanders have it tough…more so us, because our derbies to my eyes seem to be a lot more physical and fast compared to the New zealand ones.

    Yes, a lot is in the mind, main reason why Sharks have not been consistent in the past, they have not been mentally geared up for the easier games and then end up slipping some points.

    Obviously Setting ones standards high is a very good thing; setting unrealistic goals is not, IMO…maybe that’s why teams rather just say we will take it game for game and then see where we are end of the Tournament 🙂 Basically reach the best of ur potential, and to be honest i don’t see the Lions’ potential as winning Superugby…maybe more being consistently in the top 10-7 teams in Superugby.

    Sharks and Stormers pretty much every season have the squad and potential to win Superugby; Bulls…not this year, next year they will have a chance, especially if Arno Botha, Sadie, etc have grown/developed some more. Lions i simply don’t believe they have a squad to compete with the Top 6 or so teams of superugby.

    My Top 6 for Superugby 2012- Sharks, Stormers, Blues, Chiefs, Crusaders, Bulls and Tahs. Unfortunately with the Conference format, it won’t end up looking quite like that.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.02.12 15:29:46 by JJR Reply
  • True . But the reds still had to go and win the Final . look you have to set your goals . if you dont have a goal to work to you wont have anything to aim for . i think aiming for something is the best . the Lions days of excuses are over . we are here to win it and win it now .

    well maybe not this year . if we end 7th this year ill be over the moon . 3rd in the SA conference ? what a bargain

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.02.12 15:59:41 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 66) : Your top 6 contains 7 teams. Clearly you’re not one of the many accountants on this site… :mrgreen:

    After listening to yesterday’s budget speech, you may be one a tax practitioner though 😈

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.02.12 16:03:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 68) : 😳 Okay, no Aussie side then(People wonder why i did Maths Literacy 🙂 )…obviously they will have a couple in the Knockouts; but i believe the SA and New Zealand teams are far stronger than them this year.

    @Zibbie (Comment 67) : 3rd Place in conference…Possible, Yes. If you don’t run into injuries and the Bulls keep playing the kicking brand of Rugby it surely is a possibility.

    Cheetahs have talent; but they have always been seriously inconsistent…so not sure weather they will be able to keep away from 5th in the SA conference. Coenie, Brussouw, Goosen, Adriaan Strauss and later J.Smith will have to be on form if they don’t want the SA wooden spoon. We will see how the Cheetahs/Lions game goes this weekend, the cheetahs can be very crap on one day, and beat the best the next…so always hard to predict what the cheetahs will come up with.

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.02.12 16:36:54 by JJR Reply
  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : No man WP have enough loosies to be able to afford converting one of them to flyhalf. Then within weeks the Cape media will write him into the Bok team. :smiley of your choice:

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