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Back to basics please, Bissie!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks, Super Rugby on 8 Mar 2012 at 10:22
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During the dark days of the “John Smit v Bismarck du Plessis” battles, many column inches and much ire and outrage were devoted to the perceived travesty of the “best hooker in the world” having to play second fiddle to an “overweight has-been”.

With Smit now having moved on from both the Sharks and the Boks, few on the local landscape would have predicted anything other than automatic and guaranteed selection for Bismarck in any team he chose to play for. As the best at his job in the whole world, surely a Smit-free 2012 must signal the start of a brave new era of Bok supremacy for du Plessis?

My concern, quite frankly, is that in order to be genuinely considered without peer as a hooker, Bismarck is going to need to show quite marked improvement in some of the real basics of his position over the next few months. While much of what the fiery number 2 does on the field is unquestionably brilliant, one has to consider whether new Bok coach Heyneke Meyer will be as forgiving about the flaws in his game as provincial coach John Plumtree seems to be.

Lineout throwing, breakdown technique, body position in contact and personal discipline are all aspects that need serious attention, with the latter in particular a real achilles heel. Bismarck has conceded 6 penalties in the last two games, more than twice as many as any other player in his team and if Meyer were forced to pick a Bok squad tomorrow, he’d need no further ammunition to justify the selection of both Adriaan Strauss and Chilli Ralepelle ahead of du Plessis. Adding to these basics, the areas of decision-making on attack, ball retention on the deck as well as offloading in the tackle are all ones that Bismarck can improve in – and will need to in order to justify his lofty billing.

Far from being an attack on the man – as I’m sure it will be perceived – the reason for this article is to have a sobering look at the reality of the situation and to perhaps share some of what I fear may be going through the new Bok coach’s mind after watching the first two rounds.

Bismarck is a wonderful rugby player – we know this. Right now, though, we need him to show us that he’s a wonderful hooker, first and foremost.


99 Comments

  • Can’t agree more.

    I know many people got pissed off with me last year and beyond where I kept on saying you need to be a hooker first before all the other flash stuff becomes important.

    Discipline might be seen as Bismarck’s biggest flaw but I’d hate to see a blunt Bissy opposed to the fiery guy I see every game.

    Your point on the basics is crucial. Not only line-outs but his general play too.

    It’s only been 2 rounds sure – but Chili right now is leading the race imo followed by Adriaan and only then Bissy

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.03.12 10:29:14 by Mornรฉ Reply
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  • Bissie . You can perform better .. After the Lions game please

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.03.12 10:50:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Oh please the super 15 is not won in week 2, keep your shorts on ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.03.12 10:51:46 by Uli Reply
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  • Agree Rob.

    Bismarck might be brilliant but he`ll have to show it.

    I would have no problem to select Burden above him. Maybe a stint on the bench would do him good?

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.03.12 10:53:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Great article Rob! This is in line with what I said after round 1…when everybody wanted to crucify me!! :mrgreen:

    Bissie’s basics have been neglected and he appears to have focussed too much on bulking up which has cost him his pace and therefore ball-carrying ability!

    @Original Pierre (Comment 4) : I’d also rather start Burden. His basics are good and he’s a better ball-carrier!

    I hope that Bissie gets back to his best soon. At the moment I rate the hookers like this:

    1. Adriaan Strauss
    2. Chiliboy
    3. Tiaan Liebenberg
    4. Burden
    5. Bissie

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.03.12 11:25:19 by ChrisS Reply
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  • All this ranting about Bissie, hope there is going to be an article on how Lambie should also pull up his socks if he aspires to Bok selection, especially his kicking – no Holy cows here I hope ;). Bissie reminds me a lot of Waylon and especially Pat Cilliers who were never rated and were always midway in pecking order until they joined the Lions! Now we wish we had Pat don’t we ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.03.12 11:32:48 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Mornรฉ (Comment 1) : Agree…wasn’t happy with Bissie last year already! I know what he CAN do which is why what he’s currently DOING is upsetting (that’s for everyone who wants to give me grief)!

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.03.12 11:47:45 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 6) : Agree with you regarding Pats form, cant agree about Bissie never being rated though, if anything, for most of the time he and Smittie were in the same teams Bissie was rated as the better, even as the best in the world.

    Ps did you get the season ticket.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.03.12 11:54:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Perhaps he has become complacent?

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.03.12 12:01:32 by lostfish Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 5) : How can you even rate Burden when he hasn’t played at all so far?

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.03.12 12:02:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 10) : Based on last year’s performances.

    Burden is dynamic and I’d like to see him start for the Sharks. Bissie needs competition to bring his best out.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.03.12 12:06:26 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 11) : Bismark knows he has the starting spot, Burden is a good hooker but he is nowhere near Bismark.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.03.12 12:08:53 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 8) : I meant not rated here – if our line out was bad its always blamed on Bismarck, however when John was @ hooker and lineouts were going bad (as they pretty much did the whole of SR last year then it was the locks that had to pull up the socks and props were not lifting them high enough, etc I do not disagree with the article as such only that it seems that only a select few that cop grief here when out of form while others’ shortfalls are conveniently overlooked.

    I am battling with the bank ๐Ÿ‘ฟ my money was deposited at the same time as my sisters money we both bank at Standard bank she has received her money mine “hasn’t arrived yet”. I plan to make a nuisance of myself the hole of today! Till they miraculously find my money and I can go to the match ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.03.12 12:09:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Good Luck boys. Ill be watching from Mosambique!!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.03.12 12:09:39 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette(Comment 6) : forget it shawty…in most people’s minds here lambie is saddled with michalak instead of mcleod.

    speaking of lambie’s kicking, i recall that michalak eventually took over the kicking last year in the last two games vs lions & bulls…so lambie’s kicking woes have been on going…time to call braam van straaten.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.03.12 12:10:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • Yip I agree with this article.

    When John was 1st choice everyone said Bissie’s pisspoor LO throws was because he had no game time. What is the reason this season?

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.03.12 12:10:41 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 16) : @lostfish (Comment 12) :

    Bissie has become complacent, the same way Habana has at Bok level. He needs to be dropped in order to catch a wake up!
    I reckon Burden could compete with Bissie if given more game time to prove himself. He’s apparently the strongest guy in the Sharks squad and is quick off the mark!

    Bissie’s poor in the lineouts, in ball-carrying and in hitting the rucks! I said it after the first game and I’m saying it again. Glad people are agreeing with me now ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.03.12 12:17:04 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 2) : No to worry, you guys are favourites to take that one! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.03.12 12:18:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 13) : I know what you mean about certain players getting handpicked for harsher criticism. I backed Meyer Bosman last year and bear the scars of that excercise. At least he seems to be a bit more acceptable this year but its still early days.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.03.12 12:20:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 13) : Hope the Lire arrive soon.

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.03.12 12:22:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : yep me too I’m getting quite frustrated ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.03.12 12:31:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 16) : how much gametime has he had this year, 2 games?

    yup, that’s a lot in your book ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.03.12 12:35:55 by Megatron Reply

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  • It’s really strange that so many people seem constantly surprised (and even offended) that we all have our own favourite players. โ“ Everyone has their favourite X-Men character, why wouldn’t we do it here too? ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.03.12 12:38:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : good point Mega ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.03.12 12:41:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 13) : Why did I KNOW you were going to come out defending him? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.03.12 12:44:07 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) : Wolverine and Cyclops are the bomb!!! :mrgreen:

    @Megatron (Comment 22) : Bissie wasn’t good even last year! Look at old games of him when he used to rampage through defenders bouncing them left, right and centre! Now he often gets tackled behind the gainline as he takes the ball standing still and standing upright.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.03.12 12:45:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : more than enough to get the throwing in at the LO’s sorted out In My Book.

    This is pro rugby, you can’t wait for game 5 or game 6 to get the basics right.

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.03.12 12:46:08 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • I would not be surprised if the High penalty count against Bismarck is because of his frustration at not getting the basics right and being a little off form.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.03.12 12:49:44 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 27) : I agree!! Bissie played a lot last year with John on the bench or at prop and didn’t shape then either!

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.03.12 12:50:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 27) : how much game time do you think lambie needs to get his kicking sorted out? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.03.12 13:08:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 26) : Deadpool is where it’s at! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.03.12 13:08:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) : It should be sorted before the season starts. Lambie However is doing most other things right, there is one aspect of his game he is not on top form with at the moment. Bissie on the otherhand doesn’t have one aspect of his game that is on top form at the moment.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.03.12 13:11:05 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 26) : I have girls, so I am into Monster High..I reckon Cleo de Nile and Frankie Stein is da bomb! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.03.12 13:19:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 25) : maybe because he happens to be my protege ๐Ÿ˜‰ I was trying really hard not to reply but it got the better of me I couldn’t stop myself ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™‚ .

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.03.12 13:20:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) : There’s a MOERSE difference between kicking and throwing!

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.03.12 13:22:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : Batman is the bomb! He will make mince meat out of Superman any time of the day! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.03.12 13:26:55 by Ben Reply
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  • Given Bissie’s reputation as an exceptionally competitive animal, and having been outplayed by Chilliboy, who in turn also outplayed Adriaan Strauss I’m sure Bismarck is acutely aware of his shortcomings. He will not be the second best hooker in the country, he will not be the second best hooker in the world. Technically Bissie has some faults, and because we expect so much from him they tend to shine out. First and foremost Bissie needs to find his jumpers consistently, secondly he needs more patience. Body position etc will come with time. Also Deysel and Alberts – very marked men on the field, so our strike runners are all going to be gang tackled, that’s a strategem that needs addressing.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.03.12 13:34:36 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I always got excited when Bissie replaced Smith. Until the first lineout came. He can definitely improve on his throwing.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.03.12 13:41:29 by Crock Reply

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  • My 2 cents worth. if bissie was a boxer he would be a brawler, technically he has a lot of work to do, which hookers dont, but what worries me is not how badly he places the ball when going to ground or how upright he runs or even how he sometimes doesnt understand his locks call -what really concerns me about Bissie is that he is by nature very competitive and thinks he needs to be aggressive every minute of everygame thus jeopordising his teams chances of staying on the “right side” of the ref.

    This in turn leads to countless off the ball incidents and eventually warnings and patience. To win games you need to FIRST get the ref on your side. Bissy immediately puts the ref on the oppositions side without even an effort from them. It only gets worse when he has big brother and doc Jannie next to him.

    The instruction from Plum to Bissie is that he needs to be the enforcer and step up for the youngsters around him as there is no Deysel, Alberts and even Beast. As a battle hardened tough boer seun who knows how to follow instructions, Bissie seems hell bent and even sometimes programmed to carry out his coach’s instruction of been the enforcer in the pack in the absence of his bulldozer mates.

    Bissie needs to be re-programmed and realise that like every good boxer you cant expect to brawl for 15 3minute rounds because you either going to run out of gas or do something stupid, a la Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield when the technical genius outmuscles your physical muscle!

    So perhaps a mental coach then?? also I would be tempted to bring Burden on atleast at 60 minutes for his explosiveness and to keep Bissie on his toes or even at flank if Bissie doesnt reboot and take subbing too lightely…

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.03.12 14:04:49 by chucky Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : Hahaha!! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.03.12 14:38:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 39) : Burden is a must!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.03.12 14:40:26 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : DUH!!!! have another go @ making a point ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.03.12 14:47:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : please specify? Bad throw ins have the “potential” to cost points/games but its still only potential, missed kicks IS lost points I seriously don’t see how missing kicks is less harmful than missed jumpers in a game.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.03.12 14:49:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 39) : personally think that Bissie should address his attitude if he is subbed he is subbed, he is not a Titan that can destroy everything single handedly. If Burden comes on, its for the team, and Bissie must remember he’s part of a team.

    Boxing is a solo sport – so agreed – Burden needs to feature.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.03.12 14:51:26 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Wow! ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.03.12 15:09:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • yank Bissie out and see derrick minnie have a free lunch at the breakdown ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.03.12 15:10:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : No one said yank Bissie out.

    Besides the Lions do have Minnie, Whiteley, Le Grange and Visagie/Bezuidenhout who enjoy the stealing scrap

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.03.12 15:16:56 by chucky Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) : @ChrisS (Comment 26) : Wolverine, yes, Cyclops… Seriously? Nightcrawler is close second to the man with the adamantium claws, if you ask me…

    @Ben (Comment 36) : No need to speculate, he did actually kick The Man of Steel’s rear end good and solid.

    OK, now my inner geek is on display for all to see… ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.03.12 15:22:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • You know your opinions differ from almost any other article have have read on the Sharks matches. Everyone praises Bismarck.

    I agree line-outs can be worked on, but you cannot blame one man for something that is a team effort. It’s the jumpers, the lifters, the guy who calls the throw and Bissie. Not just Bissie.

    As far as the rest of his game goes, well, in my eyes if some of his forwards would support him in his runs, then he may get over the advantage line. Its like the ball gets passed to him and they all just turn to stare what he’s going to do next. Runs supportive lines do something, but son’t just stand and wait for him to do something.

    I get that he’s not getting over the advantage line much right now, but know one will with the way the ball is given to him (okay maybe Marcell, because he is actually doing it), just stand wait run. Very predictable, so just send 4 of your biggest defenders charging at him.

    Yes, to many penalties, but that’s because he’s an attacking defender. He should learn faster and figure out where he stands with the ref, but he should never lose his passion and enthusiasm.

    As for Burden, I’d love to see him get 15/20 minutes at the end of the game.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.03.12 15:30:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 47) : and in the Sharks we have? Uh wait oh yeah Bismarck and Bismarck and? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.03.12 15:31:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 49) : best post! Thank you that is the point I was trying to make in my reply to Salmanoid right in the begining, Letgo you r far more erudite than I will ever be!

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.03.12 15:38:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 15) : Lambie is not playing the game that he can play. Sure Mich is not sending the best ball his way, but it’s also not crap.

    I don’t care about his kicking. I just want him to attack the gainline more, play like he always played. The first ball he received in the stormers game he went right up to Van Aswegen did that sideways swerve that he does (it’s not a step, it’s a swerve thinghy ๐Ÿ˜† ) and put Bosman into space, almost making a clean break. He doesn’t probe like that any more. For the rest of the game it was take the ball, to steps sideways and pass or kick (and badly to). I can’t remember that any of his kicks last week was well executed.

    If he’s going to play like that – he didn’t make any mistakes, he just didn’t do anything special “Lambie” either and doesn’t seem to take control of the game like he did in 2010 and last year when he was given opportunity to play 10 – if he’s not going to do anything “Lambie” then we may as well play someone that will make 100% of their kicks in a 65m range!

    And I’m one of the people who thinks Lambie should be given the bok 10 jersey as soon as possible, so that he can make it his own, but he has not played to potential yet this season.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.03.12 15:39:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • I like Bismark, but he hasn’t been great so far. I’m sure he will step up.

    Why is he apparently above criticism on this blog?

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 51) : Yes but you know the meaning of the word “erudite” and I don’t so… ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.03.12 15:40:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : the thing is he is the only one with an article and post criticising him. When he actually is Not doing sooo badly and there are other seniors that are not doing so great either.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.03.12 15:47:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : He’s not above criticism, what do you call all of the above, because I call it criticism to the extreme.

    My criticism of Bissie

    – He needs to work on line-outs, he’s the experienced player and should take responsibility.
    – He tries to do to much. Make a pass every now and then and if your isn’t there for the pass, talk to them, your vice captain now.
    – I Love that he’s passionate and enthusiastic, I don’t ever want him to lose that, but controlled enthusiasm should be something he should strive to, use it when and where needed. Know when it’s not that important to try and make the turnover. Let it go and make the next tackle. Penalties are killing us.
    – And one more time, part of taking the responsibility as a leader, actually means rallying your players to step up and take some of the load. Don’t take all of it on your shoulders. Trust the players around you. We’re never going to feel sorry for you because you always do the most work, we’re going to get mad at you, because we can clearly see that it’s taking its toll and we need you fresh for the whole season.

    I still think Bismarck is the best and wouldn’t drop him any time soon.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.03.12 15:49:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 54) : ๐Ÿ˜† Erudite = learned, knowledgeable,well spoken. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.03.12 15:50:51 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 55) : I get what Rob is trying to say in his article though, but the posts to follow was a little extreme in my opinion and

    @Big Fish (Comment 53) : I’ve defended Bismarck here many times. He is not the most popular guy on this site. I know because he is very popular with me. Even at times when everyone else is calling him the best in the world, we’ve had posts here wining about something Bismarck is doing wrong.

    It’s fine, everyone has their favourites and maybe it’s just because so much is expected of him, but I’m just pointing out, he has always been “below” ๐Ÿ˜‰ criticism on this cite!

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.03.12 15:53:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 57) : About rugby, not so much with the English language. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.03.12 15:54:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 55) :

    Doc Jannie also got an article yesterday! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.03.12 15:56:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : nope! EVERY player must play for the jersey, no more “here you go, make it you own” crap! sure a team will have incumbents but they must be the best guys in super rugby. i’ve had it with the likes of Spies handed the Bok 8 jersey “to make his own” when we all can clearly see the guy is a showpony!

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.03.12 15:57:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : Another thing, your question has so many answers –

    The opinion echoed on this site right now is not echoed by many others, in fact I have not yet stumbled upon one article that has said something negative about Bismarck. It’s only here.

    If I’m just missing these articles, I’ll be glad to go and read these them if you point them out to me.

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.03.12 15:58:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : no he is not…we’re all waiting for that “lambie is struggling article” ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.03.12 15:58:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 48) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.03.12 16:00:58 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 61) : I don’t want it just handed to him (we’re talking about me saying I want Lambie at 10 for the Boks right), based on two years with the Sharks, where I thought he was one of the best 10’s this country has had in a very long time, with the potential, at such a young age, to become even better if given the opportunity.

    I don’t think his selection at 15 for the Boks has helped his form by the way, if they had picked him at 10, he probably would be looking more “Lambie like” and I would be praising him, but…

    I don’t like making excuses for players. And whatever the reason or reasons may be, I want to see that magic that Lambie can produce again. Not this mellow just pass and kick Lambie. That won’t impress me, no matter how cute you are ๐Ÿ˜› ! And no matter how good you were before.

    I’d always back him though, because I will always believe in his potential.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.03.12 16:03:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : Tell you what if Lambie has a below “Lambie” game this week, I’ll write that article myself. And post it.

    I can’t garuntee that it won’t be removed right away though ๐Ÿ˜‰ and I bet he comes out as the flyhalf of the week in our team of the week anyway! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.03.12 16:06:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : you know he’s playing against elton neh? ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.03.12 16:10:17 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : All i will say is as soon as Bissie is back to his best there will be shit to pay.

    Chilliboy and Strauss are playing well but Bissie pound to pound is SA’s best hooker.

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.03.12 16:12:35 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 65) : there are a lot of boys with potential, they all can’t be handed bok jerseys to make their own, they actually have to flourish @ super rugby abd THEN be made incumbents…lambie at least got an opportunity to run @ 10 in the tri-nations last year.

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.03.12 16:13:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 68) : why does bissie always pop out of scrums?

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.03.12 16:14:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : Your point being that this weekend wouldn’t be a good one to measure his form. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.03.12 16:15:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 70) : Because he doesn’t like other men to get in his face! ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.03.12 16:22:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 5) :

    Oh come on! Tiaan Liebenberg? The fatty from CT? He doesn’t even come close to the skills Bismarck and Strauss have. I even doubt he will be better than Deon Fourie.

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.03.12 16:23:52 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • It’s friggin week 3 week 3 and already people are saying Chilliboy is the best hooker omg ๐Ÿ™„

    You never know when Chilli is injured,everytime he gets nailed he stays on the ground the guy is fragile like a twig.

    I hope he stays injury free but when Meneer Meyer names his bok team if Bissie is not the starting hooker the the poor guy should pack his bags and go make some geld in Europe.

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.03.12 16:28:39 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 68) : Cool, so you agree with me! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.03.12 16:37:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) : oh surprise a Dup being criticised is Sw ๐Ÿ™„
    Except that doc was definitelly below par these last two games

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.03.12 16:45:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 62) :
    So is your argument based on there not being consensus on other sites that Bismark has been below par? Many times there have been differing opinions posted here to what other sites say. You can choose to believe that its because its their is more, or less, knowledge here. I’m inclined to the latter. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    @Megatron (Comment 63) :
    Come one Megs, you must have seen some of my posts saying that Pat’s kicking means that he will not start at 10 for the Boks.

    However, its mainly his kicking that has been off, not his general game, and he is still just 20, while Bismark is well-established now.

    I for one think its foolish to suggest starting Burden above a player who has proven himself at the highest level, but I have no doubt that Bismark has some work to do, and that Chilli has been by far the best SA hooker so far.

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.03.12 16:46:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 76) : is=in ๐Ÿ˜ณ

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.03.12 16:47:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 75) : Yes it’s nothing personal to Chilliboy he is playing well as a bulls supporters :mrgreen: i will say it over and over again Bismark is the best Hooker in SA.

    I just do not see why everyone is waxing lyrical about chilliboy starting at 2 for the boks before Bissie.

    Meyer is not as stupid as he looks.

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.03.12 16:49:48 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 76) : I am surprised you guys in SW are having a go at Bismark.

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.03.12 16:52:13 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 76) : hehehe you like bissie!

    when are you taking a pic with him?

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.03.12 16:56:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 77) : I would generally agree with you on this post except is that there is lots of criticism against the Dups whether they warrant it or not! All started when there was a rumour that Bismarck had threatened to leave the Sharks should they allow john back, despite Bismarck and VanZyl denying it numerous times the Dups have copped nothing but venom from this site no matter how good they have played, even their personality has been put in question.

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.03.12 17:00:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 80) : thank you Muzi frankly it surprises me too, I remember I think it was Mexted who in the wc uild up said he would never go to the wc without Bissie in the starting XV, but here they whant to drop him for Burden ๐Ÿ˜ฏ no offence to Burden whom I truly like.

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.03.12 17:07:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 81) : I admit I do! I genuinly feel he is an awsome player best hooker in Sa @ moment yeah he has a few things to work on but so do a lot of the other players. Personally I have met him after a match both Bissie and doc spoke to us at length played with the boys who were quite young then so I really like the dups as people as well. I have taken a photo with him but I was so excited I look quite goofy. I’m hoping to be at his table this year’s Sharks ladies breakfast ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.03.12 17:17:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 83) : I would go to war with Bissie :mrgreen: i would even pick him before Chilliboy anyday because he is damn world class finish en klaar.

    Are going to the Kearsney Easter Festival if so i hope you enjoy the rugby i’m going to be up here at KES and St Johns College for a few matches.

    Hans Scriba is one lucky man the sharks have a bunch of talented players to ready to be poached. :mrgreen:

    So many options you guya are spoilt all the top schools will be at botha’s hill.

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.03.12 17:18:27 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 85) : yes I’m going to the kearsnys festival missed it last year really looking forward to this one

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.03.12 17:36:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • HOW TO BUY A PENALTY.

    This is the BEST video I’ve seen in ages. (53sec long)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_bzuAQXqA&feature=fvst

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.03.12 17:45:58 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 87) : Yeah. Soccer.

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.03.12 18:26:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 87) : A penalty can only be given for an offence inside the box. He bought himself a free-kick. So much to learn. Haha ๐Ÿ˜‰ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.03.12 18:36:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 82) : “despite Bismarck and VanZyl denying it numerous times the Dups have copped nothing but venom from this site no matter how good they have played”

    Madame, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Kidding aside, that’s by no means an entirely fair or accurate statement. I’ve seen plenty of praise on this site including calls from certain corners for him to start ahead of John Smit.

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.03.12 21:06:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 87) : Love it! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.03.12 21:09:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 62) :

    here’s one.
    http://m.news24.com/sport24/Columnists/JJHarmse/Big-year-for-Bismarck-20120301

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.03.12 21:41:10 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 92) :
    I read that article and fully agreed with Harmse, who is generally a Bismark fan.

    I also really rate Chili, so glad he is starting to get recognition – never understood how he could have been benched behind Botha. Only in Tswane.

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.03.12 22:03:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 93) : Or even how Spies was made captain ahead of him.

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.03.12 22:14:27 by Ben Reply
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  • Think it’s back to basics for the entire team! On Boots & All, Victor just made us look stupid. It was the last few minutes of the game, we collect the ball from a kick-off deep in our half, instead of kicking it back so that we play in the Stormers half, we run the ball, lose it, the Stormers run as us, we concede a penalty. Game set match Stormers!

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.03.12 22:35:10 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 92) : Fair point of few there. He doesn’t mentioned anything but his discipline. I think that’s the biggest issue with Bismarck.

    I hope he can improve here and still keep his passion.

  • Comment 96, posted at 09.03.12 08:01:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 96) : question I have – do you think that anything mentioned in this article is factually incorrect? I mean, do others not see these worrying aspects in Bismarkc’s play, or is it a case of me making too much of them?

    When I write an article like this, I generally ask independent guys whose opinions I value to give me their critique on it… and those whom I’ve spoken to about this agree with me. So I don’t think I’m being overly harsh here and the intention is not to “pick on Bissie” (that’s a very defensive position to take) but rather to point out things I think he needs to improve on to reach his potential.

  • Comment 97, posted at 09.03.12 08:10:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 96) : @robdylan (Comment 97) :

    I have to back Rob here. I got a lot of flack after the game against the Bulls for pointing out all of the things that Rob spoke about in this article…nobody took me seriously!

    We’re not saying that Burden is better than Bissie when Bissie is on form. The problem at the moment is that Bissie is off form and appears complacent.

    I wasn’t happy with Bissie’s play last year already…he doesn’t run onto the ball when carrying it up and his lineouts are poor.
    Like I said above, it’s upsetting because we know what he CAN do and it’s better than what he’s currently DOING!
    The team has to come first though and form must count, not reputation!

  • Comment 98, posted at 09.03.12 08:41:10 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Sharksmad โ€“ The Blogโ€™s Dudette (Comment 82) : @ChrisS (Comment 98) : We really need to avoid sweeping statements like these:
    – “the Dups have copped NOTHING but venom from this site”
    – “NOBODY took me seriously”

    It robs otherwise valid arguments of their credibility. Use it, don’t use it.

  • Comment 99, posted at 09.03.12 14:30:52 by vanmartin Reply
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