Richard Ferguson

Sharks lose it in final minutes

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 24 Mar 2012 at 09:33
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The Sharks went down 34 – 30 to the Waratahs in Sydney this morning, after leading for most part of the game. The Waratahs came away with 5 points after scoring their bonus point try in the final 5 minutes, taking the win from the Sharks, who managed to stay within seven points to pick up a point.

The Sharks got off to a perfect start with Lwazi Mvovo scoring under the posts after great interplay between Meyer Bosman and Riaan Viljoen. Lambie converted to take a seven point lead in the first 4 minutes. This was followed by penalties to McKibbin, the Waratahs scrumhalf who took the kicking duties for this match, and a reply by Lambie to keep the lead at seven.

The young Scottish born scrumhalf then darted over for a good try for the Tahs, which he duly converted to level things up at 10 all. It didnโ€™t take the Sharks long to hit back though, scoring through captain Keegan Daniel, after a good maul. Lambie slotted the conversion to put the lead back at 7 points.

McKibbin added another penalty to reduce the deficit for the Tahs.

The Sharks gained control of possession early in the second half and camped in the Tahs 22m. The Sharks continued to take the attacking lineout option instead of going at goal, and this paid off as Bismarck du Plessis scored after the third maul up from the Sharks. Lambie converted again and the lead with 25 minutes to play was eleven points.

This try put the Sharks at ease, and the Waratahs hit back immediately, with Foley going for a try after an overlap was created on the left wing. This brought the Tahs to within 4 points, and it didnโ€™t take long for them to score again, this time through Tom Carter, who scored basically under the posts, and with the easy conversion, took the lead for the home team for the first time.

The Sharks did manage to compose themselves, and through two Lambie penalties, first levelled the scores and then took the lead back, and with less than ten minutes to play, the Sharks looked to hold onto possession and get the win.

The Waratahs had other ideas though, and with 4 minutes left to play, Kingston managed to dot down in the corner to break Sharks hearts and steal a win from under their noses, as well as wrapping up a bonus point for four tries scored.

The Sharks will be kicking themselves for letting go of the lead so easily, and for playing well for 65 minutes of the game, only for them to lose it at the end. The replacements that came on were disappointing, not being able to keep the standard of play that was set by the starting fifteen. The Sharks have also come into this bad routine of letting the opposition score immediately after they have scored themselves.

Meyer Bosman was the star in the Sharks backline, with Lambie doing really well with the kicking at goal. He passed 250 points in this match, which is fantastic after such a relatively short career so far. Viljoen was solid under the high ball, and came into the backline well when the Sharks attacked.

Amongst the forwards, Bismarck was immense again, and will most likely be their man of the match, for the third game in a row, but the man is in desperate need of a break, who with Dale Chadwick, has amassed 400 minutes of rugby in 5 weeks.

The Sharks now stay in Sydney, before travelling late in the week to Canberra to take on the Brumbies.


  • Dale Chadick cost us the game. Beast should recover faster. We need the big bloke back asap. Centres also cost us. Hope Frans accepts the contract.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.03.12 09:39:15 by sharksmart Reply
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    Can’t blame the loss on one single player???

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.03.12 09:43:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • What’s with the sharks n not tackling..allowing the opposition to run at them and not committing themselves to tackling when it matters..disappointing..they could of walked away winners here..

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.03.12 09:44:15 by shaniboi Reply

  • @sharksmart (Comment 1) :

    Chadwick made errors, yes..

    But the guy has represented in the Sharks time of need, playing 400 minutes of Super rugby in 5 weekends..

    I’d love to see you do that, Mr Smart..

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.03.12 09:45:19 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • We didn’t lose it in the final minutes. We lost it all game long, because we didn’t know how to use our chances, our defense sucked at crucial times, our kickoffs were poor and some substitutions were mind-bogglingly stupid.

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.03.12 09:56:10 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Team discipline is the issue – on defence, at the kick-offs and on attack (Captain Keegan isn’t setting a good example with those 40/60 passes either).

    Chadwick and Bresler weren’t shining stars this week, but they didn’t cost us the game. Given the injuries, we need to keep backing them.

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.03.12 09:57:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : A real positive is that our penalty discipline has improved over the last 2 weeks.

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.03.12 10:08:49 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @sharksmart (Comment 1) : Beast should recover faster? How do you think he should do that…?

    A brain surgeon you ain’t, mate. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.03.12 10:19:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.03.12 10:21:57 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @sharksmart (Comment 1) : No, Dale didn’t cost us.

    Plumtree cost us. He took Bosman off who was an absolute demon in defence and put on the turnstile Joubert.

    Keegan Daniel cost us – because instead of focusing on the basics and going to ground and let Chadwick and the other forwards to drive over and recover the ball, he tries fancy 50/50 passes.

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.03.12 10:25:49 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @rhineshark (Comment 7) :
    Absolutely! And that shows that the coaches are focusing on the problem areas, and the lads are working hard to improve.

    @Butchie34 (Comment 10) :
    I don’t agree on the Plumtree issue – the team was struggling with jet lag and you could see them blowing after 60min: Plumtree had no choice but to bring in fresh legs.

    But spot-on on Keegan – do the basics and don’t put other’s under more pressure than already the case with fancy pop-passes which aren’t even on the try line (whenn risk may be justified).

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.03.12 10:34:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 11) : I agree that replacements had to be made but to take off Bosman who was defending like a trojan and bringing on the Marius ‘the human sieve’ in his place was criminal.

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.03.12 10:42:13 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 11) : I’m actually starting to think that maybe Keegan shouldn’t be captain – his play has really suffered since then. For some reason something tells that Bismark and Willem Alberts will be awesome leaders.

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.03.12 10:43:51 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : I get so mad I want to throw my phone against a wall when someone says “you cant do what some shark does on the field” How immature and sorry, a bit dumb Richard. For a guy with your intelligence! Fans are allowed to critisize players ffs. That is what we pay for. If I say Denzel sucked in a movie, doesnt mean i think im a better actor.chadwick sucked. If he cant handle it, he must go. If hes tired after 5 weeks? Give me a break. I will praise and curse and scream and critisize and celebrate to my hearts content, thank you very much. I AM A FAN

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.03.12 10:50:34 by jako Reply
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  • Proud of the boys for playing great attacking rugby. But I can’t help but feel we lost the game by not taking our re-start kicks and by falling off tackles at the end. Those two areas will be of massive concern for the coach as sides are starting to realize we duff up our re-starts often. Great game of rugby, though, and the Waratahs are always a tough nut to crack in Sydney.

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.03.12 10:52:43 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : Lol I do not agree with that.

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.03.12 11:06:30 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I can just see something is missing in the Sharks,but dont know what.

    Are we becoming the this is just sad team?

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.03.12 11:07:53 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : I reckon Marcell Coetzee would make a good `lead from the frontยด kind of captain.

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.03.12 11:08:57 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 18) : Must just cut his handling errors.

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.03.12 11:16:54 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • You could see fatique set in and I blame that on travelling – so I am giving them a break and I am happy with a bonus points. (Sad, coz I know we could have won).

    What I saw in the first 20 minutes was fantastic, and boy if these youngsters click propely, they gonna be hard to stop! Pure 2010 CC rugby!

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.03.12 11:27:20 by Ice Reply
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  • A disappointing loss.

    The Sharks’ record against the Waratahs is SHOCKING and that record continues.

    Is this Sharks team going to click and become a winning, championship challenging team OR are they just not good enough, destined to contest well but ultimately lose the close games?… Bulls. Stormers. Waratahs…

    Time will tell. But this loss is disappointing.

    A English friend I’ve known over the last 5 years has started watching southern hemisphere rugby and because of me now follows the Sharks too. He said something quite telling the other day, perhaps something the rest of us miss. He reckoned the Sharks are a “difficult” team to support because they never win comfortably. He reckons every game seems to be desperate, edge of the seat stuff, even their home games. That’s when it all clicked. He is right.

    When I read Keegan Daniel’s post match comments on Sport24: “We thought we had the game in the bag the way we were playing but all credit to them, they came back and won it,” said Daniel” I can see there there is an attitude problem with the Sharks – they lack the desire to ruthlessly put teams away and this season how many times have we seen the opposition come back after we have scored? That’s a mental issue rather than anything else. Perhaps why we remain “the best team in the tournament never to have won it”?

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.03.12 11:51:17 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 21) : I think u’ve nailed it on the head! We have been asking for a Head coach for years!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.03.12 11:56:32 by Ice Reply
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  • Moving on to the next game, the Sharks last won in Canberra in 1998… oh dear.

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.03.12 12:06:16 by siorc Reply

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  • If Plumtree is so worried about the players being distracted why is he letting them stay in Sydney for the Brumbies game as well โ“

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.03.12 12:32:45 by Danman110 Reply

  • Personally, I feel that there has been more to be enthused about this season than in the preceding 5 years. Credit to Plum and co. for the new spirit of adventurousness, willingness to think outside the box and back the youngsters.

    What remains of concern is the lack of specialist coaching. Line-outs, kick-offs, ruck technique, defense and mindset are all areas that we have been found wanting for some time now, and are all areas that can be improved with focused coaching.

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.03.12 12:37:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 25) : AMENAMENAMENAMENAMEN

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.03.12 12:38:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m in no mood to find positives at the moment… I just want the coach’s head on a plate.

    Time to go do something else until I calm down.


  • Comment 27, posted at 24.03.12 12:42:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 25) : “What remains of concern is the lack of specialist coaching. Line-outs, kick-offs, ruck technique, defense and mindset are all areas that we have been found wanting for some time now, and are all areas that can be improved with focused coaching.”

    If it is so obvious to you and me you would think it would be equally obvious to Plumtree and the big cheeses at the Sharks Union.

    It is so patently obvious that the team lacks proper and comprehensive coaching.

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.03.12 12:43:43 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 28) : So the win against the reigning champions from 17-0 down last week was a fluke then?

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.03.12 13:07:01 by Cartman Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : ??? Know something we don’t?

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.03.12 13:09:18 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Cartman (Comment 29) : should they ever have been 17-0 down at home?

    Sharks should aim to win every home game, nothing special in that.

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.03.12 13:20:38 by siorc Reply

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  • Attack the coaches all you like, it’s not going to change the result of the match. This isn’t a team of strangers – they’ve been playing together for some time. Yes, there are “newbies” in the squad, but they’ve had more than enough time to learn how the Sharks want to play rugby. So what proportion of the blame is down to the players? I am sick and tired of everyone moaning about the coaches… Everything we ever do wrong is always the coaches’ fault and never the players. Players stuff up. Shit happens. No matter how well they are coached, or not. What the Sharks lack more than anything is a strong leader. Keegan is competent, but not strong. We need someone of the calibre of John Smit out there to rally us and kick our butts when we screw up. Is it the coaches’ fault that we don’t have one yet? All indications are that Lambie will eventually fill that role, but in the meantime we are not exactly brimming with captain material. And that’s our problem. When the wheels come off there’s no one to rush and get the jack and the spanners. As soon as the Warratahs scored their first try the holes in our defence should have been shored up – astute and strong leadership would have seen to that. And would have gotten us over the finishing line with four points on the board. I rest my case.

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.03.12 13:24:48 by Cartman Reply
  • @siorc (Comment 31) : Puhleeze. The Sharks need you as a supporter like a hole in the head with an attitude like that. Check out the dictionary dude – look up the meaning of “support” and take a long hard think about what you do to support your team. ๐Ÿ™„ I may have a new avatar and name but I know BS when I see it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.03.12 13:28:44 by Cartman Reply
  • @Cartman (Comment 33) : Oh. Another of the “you cannot criticise the team” brigade. ๐Ÿ™„

    Doesn’t take much to please you, does it?

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.03.12 13:37:01 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 34) : Where did I say you can’t criticise them? Learn to read. Criticism, in its most effective form, needs to be constructive. “It is so patently obvious that the team needs proper and comprehensive coaching” is not exactly well thought out now, is it? Most of what you have to say holds substance, but jumping on to the lynching bandwagon going looking for a rope long enough to string up the coaching staff and dismissing a victory over the Reds, just because it was at home and the Sharks should win at home is puerile to say the least.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.03.12 13:48:27 by Cartman Reply
  • @Cartman (Comment 35) : Nothing you have said changes my earlier view, and therefore no response is needed. I sense you are too emotional to have a sensible discussion with in any event. I’m out.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.03.12 13:55:14 by siorc Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 25) : Which is going to make it even harder to swallow if we finish bottom half of the log this season. Weยดre only in week 5 and already I get the feeling that weยดll need the Stormers and Bulls to start losing games if we want to have any hope of challenging for a play-off position.

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.03.12 14:04:29 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 36) : Me. Too emotional. Now that’s just HILARIOUS! Bwaaahaaahhaaaaaa. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.03.12 14:09:23 by Cartman Reply
  • @Cartman (Comment 38) : I think as a Sharks supporter being hilariously emotional goes with the territory. Weยดve been psychologically dented into a state of not knowing whether to laugh or cry, whether during a game or a season. This all started in 2007. I have forgotten the actual date, because the trauma has has led to memory loss.

    Excuse me while I retire to my corner now so that I can assume a foetal position and rock myself to a nightmare-wracked slumber. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.03.12 14:43:31 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 39) : I can tell you the exact moment down to the minute when the emotional trauma commenced.

    Minute 83. Super Rugby final 2007. King’s Park.

    Since then things haven’t been very good.

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.03.12 14:51:24 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 40) : Dude, I didnยดt want you to remind me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.03.12 14:57:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ WOW! GEEEES! Some days it’s not worth chewing through the straps. Ladies! So much pessimism..Your blood types will turn to B Negative!

    Passion is a helava thing to separate from the game! I too relived the emotion I felt when I found naked pics of my ex in my best friends wallet! Letโ€™s take a step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself: Did the Waratahs dictate us like a spandexed dominatrix? Did we play as kak as Earl Rose on a good day? Were we humiliated like workers in a helium factory? No. No. no.

    SWOT time:
    We were great on attack and we are ready playing well together. There is almost a Siamese bond here! Our guys are playing for one another – Trying to put the brothers into space. I never got the idea the guys did not care. Lambie and McL were good. Lambie was busier than a one-toothed man in a corn-on-the-cob eating contest. Tim needs to meditate at the foot of the goal posts and find belief in himself.

    We were poor at the kickoff. Very poor! So poor they will have to do drive-by shootings from the team bus.
    Our defence sucked but the Tahs have a way of blocking and taking opposition out in front of their players. Coetzee’s cat pounce which landed him on his face was a good example. Hey, I love cats; taste just like chicken.
    Ice, youโ€™ve nailed it. Travelling back in time is a bitch and you could see it talking its toll. We lacked spark (on defence we had less life than a shrunken head at a Hackey Sack festival) and desire as the game progressed. Dale suffered a lot and the rest were slow to get back in defence. The Tahs were under huge pressure to deliver and still battled to grind out a win.

    We let a few opportunities slip and our handling let us down at times. Yet, at other times we took great balls!

    Threats include injured players and complacency. Plum was worried about this before the game and it showed. The tour is long and the focus needs to be sharpened. Players need to be rotated and get more game time. Like rob says, why take players into the group and not give them exposure?? There is no “I” in “Team”, but there are four in “Platitude-Quoting Idiot”.

    Overall I am okay with the team. The game could have gone either way, (so could Ricky Martin) but the Tahs had home ground advantage and hunger in their favour. We are growing game by game.
    Well done boys, we took our first point on tour and looking forward to better!!
    Sisters, some day we will all look back at this and drive into the back of a parked truck!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.03.12 15:11:50 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) : You have a way with words and humour! Loved reading your “review”! ๐Ÿ˜€ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.03.12 15:18:12 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 43) : ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Thanx! We need to better the depessing day. Depression can be cred though, by licking the sweat off a frog. The down side is, when you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.03.12 15:25:43 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 43) : ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Thanx! We need to better the depressing day. Depression can be cured though, by licking the sweat off a frog. The down side is, when you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again. GEEES spelling is down the Toylit too! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.03.12 15:27:29 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 44) : honestly, my take is that fatique set in. You could see the intensity drop, and our boys are well conditioned. I am not making excuses for them – just how I see it. Pair that with the heat and you have shit.

    From experience I know as soon as you are tired, your concentration levels drop, basic mistakes are being made. No wonder we fell apart a bit and our defence started leaking soft tries. On a second wekk in tour, I am convinced this would have been a game with a bonus point in the bag.

    The only thing I was not TOO happy about was some of the substitutions…too quickly for some, and deffo subs for players who should have had a 80 minute run. I would have let Bosman have the full run for this game. I think he was utterly superb.

    None of the boys stand out to me too have been “bad”, the only guy might be Dale (and then again he was not bad, just in some facets of the game, and he looks a bit lazy, but there could be that fact that he had to play 5 games full time). Timmy’s lack of judgement I would put down to a bit of inexperience. He will get there.

    Like I said before. The first 20 minutes or so I thought to myself…most these guys on the field is at least under 26! How fricken Exciting for the future! And they came in guns blasing!If they gel – they will be unstoppable!

    I am as dissapointed as all the fans, coz it was one of those wher we know we could have won. I actually feel sorry for the boys, think they are seriously down in the downunder dumps at the moment!

    CHIN UP SHARKS!! Next week is what you should be think of! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.03.12 15:37:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 46) : Yip. I have travelled to the east often and it is taxing! The guys suffered and you could see the rookies had their first experienceof this.
    Not so easy to rock up and play in Aus! Timmy will find his straps and so will Joubert. I do think Schonert should have had a couple of minutes and Burden should have been on earlier.
    Bosman was in a better mind frame than Tim.I would have kept Bosman and brought on Joubert.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.03.12 15:53:10 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Hey the Ref was good -missed a lot on both sides – but consistant! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.03.12 15:59:43 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ See Lawrence got sacked!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.03.12 16:00:37 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Bryce Lawrence :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.03.12 16:02:30 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Yoh, we are deluded ,the plethora of excuses is pathetic. At the end of the day the Sharks through it away big time . They didnโ€™t dig deep and they looked apathetic on defence, embarrassing. Itโ€™s said that defence is as much attitude as it is technique and the only players that are embracing that notion are Lambie, Coetzee and Bismarck .
    Chadwick was poor ,no doubt about it .
    Bismarck ,Coetzee ,Bosman and Lambie were all hugely influential in our near success while Whitehead ,Viljoen and Bresler all had moments of brilliance and villainy .
    But thatโ€™s how it goes ey ,not a champion side until they can defend like one and that requires a lot more than what was on display this morning . The coaching staff messed up big time.
    I donโ€™t understand the tactics of lightening our pack considerably in the last 15 ,we loose all momentum .
    For me the return of Deysel canโ€™t happen quick enough, give Bismarck a rest and use him as the fetch component .
    Team next week .
    1. Chadwick
    3. Jannie
    16.Bismarck 17.Herbst 18.Bresler 19.Botes 20.Michalak 21.Lambie 22.Ndungane

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.03.12 16:22:43 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Since when is playing 5 games a mission? What about the likes of Marcell, Lambie, Keegan etc..?careful of thinking mediocrity is [email protected]siorc (Comment 21) : Your friend is correct, the last time I was confident before a Sharks game was back in 2010. Guys are just too inconsistent. Think the problem lies with the coach. When the Bulls and Stormers play at home you know there’s a 90% chance that they are going to win. With us it’s always 50/50 chance even at home. You never know which Sharks team is going to pitch. Pathetic at this level I tell you (still pissed off). I agree with management, if Plum doesn’t deliver this season, he must answer to the board and leave if needs be, they have given him all resources, he has a massive budget, some of the the best players in the country and he still under delivers. Look at the lions, with all their problems they still managed to win the CC. I want Plum to go. I can’t take it anymore. Our players are too relaxed. Apparently Mitch is a crap man manger and that’s because he doesn’t take shit. Half of the guys in our pack would be in serious trouble if Mitch was coach (not saying I want Mitch but I want someone with accountability). There’s a certain standard a Mitch expects from his players. Don’t know what’s expected from our players, if there is an expectation, it is very low. Only explanation for so many missed tackles, dropped catches, poor re-starts, poor lineouts etc…the basics. If the basics are wrong, the coach isn’t doing his job. As for Keegan’s comment, that alone should get him dropped as captain. He clearly isn’t keeping his players focused. Him and Plum actually feed us bull when they said they want to be ruthless when they have a team on the backfoot.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.03.12 16:33:39 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 51) : Its not excuses…it is called reality. But what the hell do we know, you mos play every year overseas, travel halfway around the world and set up records, demolish every opponenet, get a bonus point try for your team. Who do you play for again…?

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.03.12 16:51:39 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 53) : I think he might be the Ludick chap he mentioned because I’ve never seen that guy play! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.03.12 16:53:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 52) : “Only explanation for so many missed tackles, dropped catches, poor re-starts, poor lineouts etcโ€ฆthe basics. If the basics are wrong, the coach isnโ€™t doing his job.”

    Did you read what I said? Are you an active sports player? Or is a womans point of view on rugby/sport beyond you?

    If people are tired, the basics go out the window. We KNOW the Sharks are one of the most well conditioned teams in this comp. We saw it in every game in SA. Commentators mentioned how fresh the boys look when the other teams are stuffed.


  • Comment 55, posted at 24.03.12 17:01:40 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 54) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.03.12 17:03:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 52) : How do you explain the Mighty Mitch, having to replace so many players, DROPPING Killian to the bench?? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.03.12 17:12:39 by Ice Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.03.12 17:19:37 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Almost everyone is slightly peed of because our team of rotten second rate players and stupid managers strapped a set of jets to a tube and shot themselves back in time, watched the porn channel and laid about the pool in a luxury hotel. Stuffed themselves and kicked a couple of balls around Sydney against a team of blind Shanes who thinks that the three major political parties in Aus are Labour, Liberal and Cocktail but If I agreed with you we’d all be wrong. Listen to Oom Naas when he says the cup is not won in the first weeks.

    I sometimes get the idea that some supporters need their team to make them look good in public. Do not attach your ego to the Sharks success girls because at the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry. Let me quote another loser:

    โ€œI have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot . . . and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why . . . I succeed.โ€
    Michael Jordan

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.03.12 17:27:34 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 59) : Sjoe! Thats DEEP Dude! ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.03.12 17:32:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : ๐Ÿ˜€ Must admit my eyes are moist. Maar ek is ook al heeldag huilerig! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.03.12 17:35:20 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 58) : And some people like to finish off a brewery, think they’re smart and mouth off.

    Some men also like to call their poodles ‘KILLER’ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.03.12 17:36:58 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : ๐Ÿ˜ˆ JIRIKIEEE but you can get as angry as I do when we make em khaki mistakes!!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.03.12 17:37:45 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 62) : my Yorkie is Daniel…Daniel Carter… and I love to finish off a wine cellar! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.03.12 17:42:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : Haha! I love to finish off my father-in-law’s cellar. Only thing he’s good for ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.03.12 17:44:25 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 62) : ๐Ÿ˜€ Sober!!! ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.03.12 17:46:43 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.03.12 17:47:51 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : It must be that we are the first team to have to travel the week before a game hey? Maybe we were told after the Reds game that we have to travel to Australia and play the coming Saturday. That must be it hey, else we would have prepared for this tour during the preseason, damn, our cousins from Australia and NZ pulled a fast on us again! The Crusaders didn’t play at home all year last year and they made the finals, explain that. Clearly the level of mediocrity loving has reached a new level..

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.03.12 17:53:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 68) : The difference is….I dont get sea-sick, my husband does…people adapt to situations differently. Bosman looked like he was on leave for 2 weeks. But in overall performance there is NO doubt in my mind about fatique. It was clearly visible in the drop of performance.

    If more guys adapted like Bosman the majority would have kicked in (and I guess it would have been the case with the Saders last year). It would be very interesting to know if the Crusaders team of last year had so many First time travellers like we did this year…could be interesting to see if that could have made a difference.

    I have to admit – I believe sea-sickness is in the mind, but my husband disagrees – he is adamant he cannot help it. So who knows…I have never travelled to have jet lag….but I emphasize…no ways a fit team like ours energy could just drop visibly like it did.

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.03.12 18:06:14 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 69) : Wyatt Crockett, Owen Franks, Ben Franks, Andrew Olorenshaw, Corey Flynn, Quentin MacDonald, Luke Romano, Chris Jack, Joe Wheeler, Reuben Thorne, Kieran Read, George Whitelock, Matt Todd, Richie McCaw, Jonathan Poff, Kahn Fotualiโ€™i, Willi Heinz, Dan Carter, Matt Berquist, Sonny Bill Williams, Adam Whitelock, Tom Marshall, Robbie Fruean, Sean Maitland, Zac Guildford, Israel Dagg.

    Would be interesting to know how many of these players were in the starting 15, standing in for injured first choice players AND having travelled for the first time.

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.03.12 18:24:50 by Ice Reply
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  • ๐Ÿ˜ˆ There seems to be some evidence that for most people, traveling west to east is more disruptive. This may be because most people have a circadian period which is a bit longer than 24 hours, making it easier to stay up later than to get up earlier. It’s easier to travel east to west because you feel as if you’re gaining time, compared with flying west to east, when you feel like you’re losing time.

    Even a traveller to New York from San Francisco may feel the three-hour difference the day after arrival. It may also be that flights to the east are more likely to require people to stay awake more than one full night in order to adjust to the local time zone. For example, comparing a typical schedule for a traveler flying to the west vs a traveler flying to the east.

    You could also see the experienced campaigners were okay with the rookies taking the most strain! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.03.12 18:27:33 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 69) : Ice, we are not the first team to have to travel. The Crusaders had to travel every week. My point is that we always knew that Beast, Alberts, Deysel and co would not be battle ready come the tour yet nothing in terms of application changed. The game plan was to clearly feed the backline ball in the 1st half, why not then have Alberts, Bismarck and Syskes on the bench so that when the team starts to get tired, we intยฎoduce the 3 as a combination and play a slower bash it up type of game. Nothing in our planning changed. We brought on our bench which consisted of an injured Herbst, a slow MJ, a hooker at flank, and an open side flank at lock. Bressler and chadwick having been knocking on balls all season.

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.03.12 18:34:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 53) : Feeble retort.

    The basics of our rugby have been poor for way to long and this is irrefutable. Scrums and line outs have been below average, the latter has been a weakness for some time. One just has to look at the defensive structures of the Stormers, how they operate at breakdown specifically and compare them to the Sharks. The defensive structure is non-existent, if they have one in place it isnโ€™t working

    Regarding Chadwick ,people have given him a hard time and its understandable because while his technique in the scrum is fairly good, for such a young prop ,the guy has been poor in broken play ,this isnโ€™t to say he is a useless player just not as good as we thought . He certainly has lots of work to do on his game in general play.

    Just by the way…if I do play rugby ,even at a semi professional standard ,by your logic Iโ€™m more equipped to comment on how rugby teams work and such than you are ,assuming you arenโ€™t a springbok womenโ€™s rugby player .But I donโ€™t subscribe to your logic. I believe anyone whoโ€™s been part of a team should be able to tell when a function of a team is underperforming.

    The reality of it is ,as fans we will defend our teams with excuses rather than being blunt and forthright with our assumptions.

    Pardon me if I sounded discourteous in tone at all or if I stepped on your sensitivities

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.03.12 18:35:49 by Talent Reply
  • By the way 56 8 to the Bulls vs Reds ,where were they last year in the currie cup? How come they can turn it arround ?

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.03.12 18:46:16 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 73) : And just HOW do youknow I am NOT…? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    The fact is – Dale I agree on, however…he is standing in for one of our best players,Beast. There is no comparison between the two.

    Id love to see the stats, but from what I recall, we won almost all our lineouts today with 2 “newbies” – bar one due to a knock (speaking under correction). I thought our lineouts were well excecuted and on the man and fast distribution to the backs, or nice rucks form scrum.

    I just feel if you WANNA give them flack, give them the benefit of the doubt. Wait till next week and then see how we do the basics. Too much to ask?

    Oh, and by my logic, even if you DO play semi-pro. Do you play SR type of rugby and do you travel….? I think that is not such bad logic. If you do not have the same type of experience as the guys, you might as well have none….just like me. So I find myself fit to comment as well thank you.

    No offense taken…if that is why you pointed out to sensitivity…I have and still is part of a team…not rugby, but netball. But, I am part of a team….have been non-stop for 30 odd years…so I guess I will know when a function of a team is underperforming…just for the pure fact of underperforming. With no external factors in play.

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.03.12 18:50:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 75) : Okay im to lazy to get in a pointless argument ,a simple question then…
    Do you believe we are a better team ,player for player than the Bulls ?
    Then why couldnโ€™t we do to the Reds what they are doing to them now?

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.03.12 18:55:40 by Talent Reply
  • @Ice (Comment 70) : Hope what the Bulls did to the Reds ends our discussion. We are not at the level we should be. We are not ruthless and other teams don’t fear us. They come to King Park looking for 5 log points. When we travel they want 5 log points from us.

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.03.12 19:01:54 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 76) : My argument _ and sorry that you are too lazy and that I am wasting your time, is based around our performance TODAY.

    I never had us compared to the Bulls in mind when making my comments.

    Listen, we lack seriously, but NOT in players. In certain managerial areas. Kicking Coach, Backline coach, forwards coach, MENTAL coach….Specialists in other words.

    Player for player – yes we are a better team. Managed correctly and coached correctly, no I dont.

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.03.12 19:06:01 by Ice Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 77) : Never did the truth hurt so much *tears* *tears*

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.03.12 19:10:05 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 77) : Our game killed the Reds…you seriously think that fact of a depleted team and the fact of specialised coaching left aside, it would have been the same result?

    I believe our boys are better than what they are performing, but I dont think its entirely and in a great great way, there fault.

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.03.12 19:10:50 by Ice Reply
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  • Than f*ck I am not so negative…GO SHARKS!!

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.03.12 19:12:54 by Ice Reply
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  • “Where angels fear to tread” -> this thread :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.03.12 20:09:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 82) : @Ice (Comment 81) : ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Well…all I can say is..any genius can have the facts, but having an opinion is an art. Would have liked to take part here, but I am not as total moron – missing some components. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.03.12 22:38:44 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : With all due respect, I do not rate your captain.

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.03.12 01:18:30 by diablo Reply

  • @diablo (Comment 84) : BUT that, is my humble opinion, and, what does a Bulls supporter know about ๐Ÿ™

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.03.12 01:21:26 by diablo Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 81) : A good attitude helps…. u go girl ๐Ÿ˜‰ rofl ๐Ÿ˜•

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.03.12 01:23:26 by diablo Reply

  • @diablo (Comment 85) :
    Come now – don’t be like that. You have well-established credentials on this blog. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Ja, Keegan has plenty of rough edges. I’m looking for more maturity and patience from him: he needs to set the tone for this young team.

    Maybe some time is what he needs – AJ Venter went from loskop to very decent leader when he was made captain.

    I guess the thinking is that those kind of players have the perfect amount of passion to inspire their team-mates – it just needs to be channelled constructively.

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.03.12 07:00:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I think Keegan needs time to grow in his captainancy. We are used to having great natural leaders like Barney and Teichman, sometimes we have to “grow” them ourselves ๐Ÿ™‚ I don’t think that we have anyone else capable of being captain at this stage. Keegan has my support, I think he will do great…anyone who has to deal with the Dup Bros needs a meddle anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.03.12 07:51:43 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 78) : We’ve been lacking in those areas for a while. Who should we hold accountable? If Plum who has only won 2 CC has too much pride to request help then he isn’t our man. Jake White has a RWC and isn’t too proud to get coaches that know more than he does in certain areas…

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.03.12 07:59:17 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • In other news that should a smile on all our faces, the IRB is cleaning their coaching house – all Lawrences must go!

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.03.12 08:27:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Difficult debate…people have different tolerance levels and different expectations, I suppose that’s why some of us didn’t take yesterday’s display well. I’m amazed by players like Jannie and Marais. Jannie is leader in the team but refuses to take leadership whatsoever, Marais gets his first start in SR, instead of showing us that he belongs here, he basks in the Sydney sun for 80 mins whilst his teammates are working hard. The famous saying that the competition isn’t won in Feb or March is no longer true..with this conference system, places in the top 3 are hard to secure and if you manage to secure a wildcard, chances are that you’ll play away from home which makes it more difficult to win unless you’re the Crusaders. I need to lower my expectations for this season, I had hoped for a top 3 finish but now I just expect the guys to improve on a weekly basis. I just have to accept that we are not at a championship level yet. Maybe it’s the coaching or it’s the attitude of the players (Sardie said he has never been so mentally strong in his life)…I don’t known. Just don’t understand how a youngsters like Etszebeth and Kisthoff can dominate opponents in the tight 5 so much at this level, yet our guys don’t show the same drive. A lot of rugby is in the mind, maybe our goal this season should be to build a team that has the right attitude. The team should be built around guys like Coetzee, Keegan, Deysel, Bismarck, Alberts, PSDT, Lambie, JPP…the glaring problem with the above list is the lack of locks and props…0ur tight five is clearly a weakness at this stage and maybe that’s why Plum refuses to substitute Bismarck.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.03.12 08:49:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Enough with the captains head on a block already! This is backyard rugby. Hated some of the camera angles during the game

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.03.12 09:22:06 by uzail Reply

  • This isn’t backyard rugby

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.03.12 09:24:30 by uzail Reply

  • Okay maybe my “smartness” had a dull moment. But still this is Super Rugby. We can’t afford knock-ons at this level of rugby. I take my hat off for Dale Chadwick for making it this far in his career. And the fact that ‘beast needs to recover faster’, came from Dale’s terrible handling. No offense but Dale really needs to work at his handling. The centre’s were okay, but Tim had an off game. Also the jet lag jumped in the last 20 minutes.

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.03.12 11:52:35 by sharksmart Reply

  • I have no comment on the poor form shown. (and I don’t mean the players)

    I will say this though. We travelled forward in time, not back. Get the basics right and the rest will come right by itself.

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.03.12 12:23:12 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • should that not have been a penalty try and a yellow card near halftime when the player was miles ๐Ÿ˜ˆ offside ( the 4th time on the try line ) and a deliberate knock on??

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.03.12 08:50:51 by pete69 Reply

  • @pete69 (Comment 96) : didn’t wanna raise that question in case I might have thought wrong..

  • Comment 97, posted at 26.03.12 09:19:41 by Ice Reply
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