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Sharks player ratings v Hurricanes


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 Apr 2012 at 08:30
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The Sharks got thoroughly stuffed in New Plymouth last Friday and I’m afraid the ratings generally reflect a lacklustre performance in which few players acme the party in any meaningful way. Read ’em and weep, in other words.

1) Dale Chadwick. Struggled to follow up on his great performance against the Brumbies. Scrummed well, but the old demon of breakdown indiscipline was again on his back. 5/10
2) Craig Burden. The pick of the forwards. Struggled a little at line out time, but was otherwise the stand-out player in a beaten pack. 7/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Scrummed well, but was indisciplined and generally failed to stand up as a senior member of the pack. 4/10
4) Steven Sykes. One of the better players on defence. 6/10
5) Jandre Marais. Had a few nice carries, but otherwise offered little. 5/10
6) Marcell Coetzee. A quieter game from a man who’s looking rather tired. Hit plenty of rucks and made a few runs, but lacked his usual verve. 6/10
7) Willem Alberts. One of the chief culprits on defence, Vic is still working his way back to match fitness. He’ll be disappointed in his performance overall, though. 5/10
8) Keegan Daniel. The failings of the pack – and the team as a whole – need to be laid at his door. Worked hard and was solid on defence, but the leadership that the team craved didn’t seem to be in evidence. 5/10

9) Charl McLeod. Another who saw a decent performance marred by poor defence. 5/10
10) Fred Michalak. Made his tackles and kicked well at poles; decision-making on attack was poor at times and he may have cost his side at least two tries through taking poor options. 5/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. A very poor performance overall. Did little on attack and was regularly turned over when in possession. 4/10
12) Tim Whitehead. A very solid performance, marked by three great line breaks and dogged work without ball in hand. I only wish his fellow backs had been awake to what he was doing. 7/10
13) JP Pietersen. Missed a few tackles, but was otherwise pretty useful on the day and scored a great try. 6/10
14) Louis Ludik. Conceded possession too easily and appeared to offer little threat when he got the ball. A bit of a stop-gap in this position, but failing to look the part at wing, it must be said. 4/10
15) Riaan Viljoen. A real dog’s breakfast of a performance from one of the season stand-outs so far. Viljoen was regularly caught out of position and his error rate was sky-high. 4/10

16) Bismarck du Plessis. Looked dangerous when he came on, but was unable to arrest the slide. 6/10
17) Wiehahn Herbst. Scrummed well, but missed too many tackles. 5/10
18) Anton Bresler. Tackled like a demon and worked hard all over the park, as expected. 6/10
19) Jean Deysel. Clearly lacking in match fitness, but improved on last week’s showing. 5/10
20) Jacques Botes. Failed to add the necessary impact coming on. 5/10
21) Meyer Bosman. A pretty poor cameo, with badly-executed offloads and missed tackles the order of the day. 4/10
22) Marius Joubert. Not on long enough to be rated.


54 Comments

  • A pretty sad performance by the Sharks with the odd moment of brilliance inbetween mostly from Whitehead.

    If you ignore his role as captain then Keegan was actually one of the better players on the field.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.04.12 08:41:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • This is not a biased comment, and I do understand that overall everyone’s ratings dropped, but sure as hell thought Marcell was really busy in the game. He was allover. Even the commentators mentioned that he was working very hard.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.04.12 08:42:08 by Ice Reply
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  • We really missed Lambie on Saturday, perhaps it’s time to make the laaitie captain.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.04.12 08:42:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 2) : thing with being an openside flank is that you rely heavily on your heavies 😎

    Good ratings rob!

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.04.12 08:43:49 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I feel Keegs should not be burdened with the captaincy roll. He is a great player, but cannot seem to handle both. Captaincy almost seems a effort, and its affecting his play and performance.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.04.12 08:49:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 5) :

    He seems to be ignoring his role as captain already! 😈

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.04.12 08:52:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Very worried about Keegan as captain.

    There is no intensity in this Sharks side. I think if we had to play the Stormers again we’d get dicked horribly.
    Our forwards just look so weak at the breakdown. Probably poorly coached as well.

    We need a out and out winger at 14, I think JP needs to move back there to add some pace and finishing ability. We also need some locks, or just someone to light a cracker under our current locks.
    And I think we are the only SA side that doesnt employ a full time defence coach. Funny that.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.04.12 09:03:55 by John Galt Reply

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  • Keegan shouldn’t be captain. I’ve always had doubts about his temperament and its now obvious that leadership is maybe lacking as well. Oh well he’s guaranteed to start now regardless of his level of play so all this is irrelevant.

    A team thin on genuine world class players lead by an inexperienced captain and a coach that’s slowly seeming to lose the plot.

    We’ll probably scrape past the Blues on Friday which will hide the fact that the Sharks are starting to look further and further behind the Bulls and Stormers.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.04.12 09:05:07 by Dryden Reply

     
  • Im missing an inform Kanko! Hell he would be awesome right about now

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.04.12 09:22:14 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • A very bad performance. I think its time for JP to move back to 14, and play Bosman 12 and Whitehead 13. They played very well together.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.04.12 09:26:34 by springbok Reply

     
  • Good news is that Lambie and Bismarck should play this weekend.

    Bad news is that Whitehead and Marcell are carrying injuries.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.04.12 09:28:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I afraid Ludik was horribly exposed this weekend as well. I’m pretty sure we have better wings than him in the system.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.04.12 09:30:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dryden (Comment 8) : I’m not so sure about us being thin on class players; consider the all-conquering Bulls dynasty of a few years ago. How many genuinely world-class players did they have? I can think of Gurthro, Bakkies, Victor, Fourie & Bryan. But they also had a bunch of decidedly average players; Gary Botha, Deon Stegmann, Dewald Potgieter, Jaco Pretorius, Zane Kirchner… and still they swept all away before them, because they were coached well, and the coaches knew how to adapt their game plan to get the best out of the players they had.

    The Sharks have more than enough talent in their ranks; it’s just not being utilised properly.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.04.12 09:36:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Think you were a bit generous with some points there…especially the forwards…could not turnover Hurricane ball and failed to keep your own…very poor at ruck time…I’ll drop a point on all of them…

    Your defense at wing is the poorest in the tournament….especially Mvovo….geez he gets bumped a lot and boy was he bumped hard on Saturday…

    JPP needs to realise the defense is his responsibility and stand up and be counted…I like him at 13 I really do…but he got to stand up and be counted… martial the troops…
    The team needs to scramble better and also need to cover your wing channel that surely gets broken through more than any other teams at the moment…

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.04.12 09:49:31 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Jannie should get -4 😈 he is now a liability rather than anything useful on the field! and Freddie’s score is wayyyyy to good for his efforts, cost us 2 tries! he passed at the players ankles I would have given him a 2 and that is being generous! And as the commentator kept on saying it was Marcell’s shooting out the line that opened the gaps that allowed the Canes to score, so I probably would bring his down to a 5. And we haven’t scored Plumtree, well maybe that is best 👿 and all the docked points I would give them to Craig he was the only one playing with any heart! and how can we blame him for his line throwing when these were the 1st 60 mins he has got this entire season!

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.04.12 09:52:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Daniel is an impact player….alla Skinstad

    The Captain should be Bismark….start and finish with him….

    Start with Deysel, Alberts, Coetzee and bring in Keegan as impact very early 2nd half…that is when he will turn a few games that Sharks might be trailing….

    He struggles with his own discipline…how you expect him to manage the rest of the teams discipline…and he seems to not understand the rules at times….???

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.04.12 09:53:17 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : Complete waste of time playing Ludik at wing. We have better options in our Vodacom squad: Sithole being the obvious!

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.04.12 09:57:27 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 2) : ja but he cost his team dearly as he conceded the penalty on the canes 5 metre line and then subsequently missed a tackle on andre taylor on which exposed the sharks defence, less than a minute later. 🙄

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.04.12 09:57:55 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 14) : Shocking backline defense from the Sharks. No ability to scramble back. The one try they scored thru their wing, they just about had a free run to the try-line. The backline was non-existent… Mvovo needs to work on his tackle-technique. He’s about average size for a backline player so he should be standing up to tackles not getting bounced back. But the worst defense for me was around the ruck fringes. There is no way their props should be scything through at speed like that.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.04.12 10:02:40 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Rob…

    You score the starting 15 average 5.2??? and the 21 players scored 5.19????

    Eish a lazy player would love to play under you as coach….can play crap and still get praise…

    There is no way Burden is a 7…he did not ruck much and did poorly at lineout…at best 6
    Jannie 3
    Locks 1 point down each…
    Keegan 4
    Mvovo 2 or 3
    JPP 5 his defense not on par and communication seemed lost in defense at times…
    Viljoen did nothing right hey…2 or 3 as well…

    That will be a much better reflection on the game….

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.04.12 10:02:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : Coetzee and Willem Alberts both missed quite a regulation tackle on that lightie. I haven’t seen such bad defense since the Terblanche-Bosman combination.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.04.12 10:05:17 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 19) :

    Yeh true….and you guys actually have the players to do it…

    Need top start playing to strengths and cover the weaknesses…

    I don’t think I have ever seen a player bumped as much as Mvovo does…but you right it must be technique cause he seems a physical enough player…unless he has a weak upper body…
    Typing that brings back the memory last year when you played the Cheetahs…Mvovo got thrown out of the way by an at pace Snyman and then bumped flying just minutes later….

    And I wont be surprised if teams notice that of his game…

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.04.12 10:10:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 22) :

    And to ad to this…I cannot recall that he ever fielded a kick that was challenged…

    There you need to give Ludik credit…and that he strengthened your defense in the wing channel….but that was it…always great effort but just don’t think his got whats needed overall…

    Problem at wing!??!

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.04.12 10:15:26 by Hmmm Reply

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  • It was sad watching Viljoen play such rubbish. Ludik should play Vodacom Cup rugby. That Andre Taylor try exposed the Sharks defence badly!!! Odd that in the Stormers match everything went right went right for them and this game,everything went horribly for the Sharks

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.04.12 10:23:07 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 24) : Well, they say that luck plays a part and everything seemed to go wrong for the sharks and right for the hurricanes. I think that strong wind definitely gave the canes an advantage in the first half. And from there, every adventurous thing they tried paid off. Credit to them, but teams don’t have games like that 2 in a row. The chip and gather try for the Canes is a classic example of a 50-50 situation. Luckily for them Riaan Viljoen was having the worst game of his life 😐

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.04.12 10:35:43 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 25) : the Canes are like the Cheetahs, they play “heads up” rugby and are always looking to use their gamebreakers – andre taylor, conrad smit, beauden barrett, julian savea – as soon as they sniff a line break!

    week before last it was 32 all at half time when those two teams met. then the cheetahs put the squeeze on the canes by taking it through the phases and using their forwards more in the second half.

    the sharks were ineffective on defence, useless @ the breakdown which gave the canes all the room to roam.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.04.12 10:54:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 26) :
    Can I get your opinion on Mvovo’s game last week? I didn’t think he was awful, so wanna pulse-check with someone whose opinion I trust.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.04.12 11:13:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I’m afraid rather than acquiring the killer instinct as I hoped they would, our beloved team is throwing in the towel. Very worrying indeed.

    I would like to take up the comment regarding Willem Albert’s performance, “working his way back towards match fitness”. Although I agree with the comment, I strongly feel super rugby is not the place to do that. The player should play himself back to match fitness in the VC, no matter who he is or how much needed.

    Well especially after a long and serious injury, don’t go and put Pat Lambie in the VC now!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.04.12 11:16:34 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • I missed the game and haven’t been able to force myself to watch it yet after reading Sharksworld on Friday afternoon. Hate it when a team with so much potential struggles like this 🙁

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.04.12 11:28:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : Watch it. Its damn frustrating but its not all bad.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.04.12 11:35:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : hey hey, how’s the litle sharkette doing?…

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.04.12 11:37:54 by Franshark Reply
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  • The final scoreline didn’t reflect the actual game. While I’m not suggesting we deserved to win or would have even come close, but 2 of the Canes tries were decidedly dodgy. Not sure what the TMO was watching,…they were generous hometown calls.

    I agree with Sharksmad, Jannie deserved a 1 at best for a disastrous game, his poor discipline costing us far too often. Marcell definitely looks like he needs a rest as he missed too many tackles and was only prominent for the first half hour or so and then faded. Burden was definitely the stand out performer. His lineout work was better than I expected for someone who has always struggled with his throwing in and bearing in mind it was his first meaningful game time of the season.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.04.12 11:42:00 by Villie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 30) : I will eventually, not just very high on the ol’ priority list this past weekend. But I don’t think I’ve missed more than one or two Sharks games since 2007.

    @Franshark (Comment 31) : She’s awesome – just awesome! I’ll leave it there or I might go into a several paragraphs describing in detail why this is the case. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.04.12 11:50:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) : First kid?

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.04.12 12:04:07 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) : I don’t mind to read a hole article about her 🙂

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.04.12 12:07:44 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 27) : the canes game?

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.04.12 12:09:08 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 34) : What gave me away, was it the use of ‘awesome’ twice in one sentence? 😉

    @Franshark (Comment 35) : You’ve read a few of Sharon’s pieces on Lambie right? Multiply the admiration by a thousand and throw in lots of cliches that only a fellow father will appreciate and you’ve got a really good idea of how it would read! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.04.12 12:17:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) : I only managed to watch the second half last night.

    I still have the Brumbies game to watch. 😯 and we won that one.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.04.12 12:20:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 34) : what else? 😆

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.04.12 12:23:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 37) : my girl was away to the “Kruger wild tuin” for the holiday, 10 day’s, so I could add a few paragraphs to that article 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.04.12 12:26:27 by Franshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 37) : Awesome :mrgreen: , congratulations!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.04.12 12:36:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 36) :
    Yup.

    @vanmartin (Comment 37) :
    Congratulations! 😆

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.04.12 12:46:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 40) : I bet you could! :mrgreen:

    @Culling Song (Comment 41) : @Big Fish (Comment 42) : Thanks! Much appreciated! 😀

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.04.12 13:04:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 33) : Congratulations Van!!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.04.12 13:13:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : will watch the match again, to be honest i didn’t pay much attention to him.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.04.12 16:31:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : Congratulations!!! Enjoy it!! It is one hell of a rollercoaster.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.04.12 17:21:17 by lostfish Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 7) : Our tight five is below average, we’ve played 6 games and not once did we win the tight five battle. We need a few hard men there. I would approach Hilton Lobberts..him Beast and Bismarck will give that pack some. It’s also time for Pat to come back home, we need a world class tighthead.
    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Pat
    4. Hilton
    5. Skeate
    6. Marcell
    7. Deysel
    8. Alberts

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.04.12 20:11:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Hmmm (Comment 20) : lol..Rob scores with his heart and beeb doing it for ages…To give you an idea of a good score, Etzebeth is a 8/10..the closest player we have to him is Lambie and Marcell.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.04.12 20:32:39 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : If the Sharks want to pull out the cheque book I would suggest getting a quality mental and defence coach 1st. Jannie is a world cup winning Bok, he just needs to be steered back to the right path, way too young still to be discarded as a prop. The addition of those two coaches, and maybe a scrum/kicking coach with the players we have now, we will be a deadly team to face

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.04.12 20:46:25 by Die Kriek Reply

     
  • would have given Chadwick a 3 at most , cost us dearly in great attacking positions, it is not that I don`t like the guy, would love to see him playing Vodacom Cup because that is unfortunately where he belongs currently, so while time is on his side let him go learn , I would have loved for us to have Big Ball carrier Props!! Almost all the teams has got one , Coenie, Dean, WP Nel, look at that guy from the Chiefs , 135 KG he is a Monster!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.04.12 21:00:42 by morne1 Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 27) : I don’t reckon Mvovo had a bad game either. People like @Hmmm having ago but I don;t remember him missing any tackles personally. He usually goes low and nails his man. Bounced Jane onto his arse as well which was great to see!
    Unless ppl seeing that some tries were on his wing but he can’t defend 3 man overlaps – doesn’t matter how much pace he has!

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.04.12 21:24:20 by Sharks_UK Reply
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  • Must say that WP/Stormers have some serious mongrel this year in the pack and have lost the arrogance which had them hated by anyone outside Cape last year. With Jacques Fourie and Jantjies out of the picture they have their feet more on the ground.
    Elstadt, Etzebeth, Kolisi and Kitshoff look outstanding, with Habana having his mojo back.
    I can now support the Stormers – other than when playing the beloved Sharks.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.04.12 21:28:18 by Sharks_UK Reply
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  • @Sharks_UK (Comment 52) : “…and have lost the arrogance which had them hated by anyone outside Cape last year.”

    What are you talking about? They are just as arrogant as ever, if not more so. 😯 😆

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.04.12 21:39:57 by siorc Reply

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  • Mvovo has been playing really well this season, scoring tries and defending like a Trojan. Springbok for sure. Watch and see.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.04.12 21:42:48 by siorc Reply

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