Bulls drop Sadie for Lions encounter

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super Rugby on 12 Apr 2012 at 08:04
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Bulls coach Frans Ludeke has made two changes to his run-on fifteen to face the Lions in Johannesburg this weekend, with the axing of outside centre Johann Sadie among the talking points.

Much was made in the off-season of Sadie’s decision to leave the Cape, where it seemed he was destined to wait in line behind a bevy of Bok centres, for Pretoria, where persistent rumours suggest that a contractual clause would guarantee him a starting spot in the number 13 jersey. To say that the young man has not lived up to the hype so far would probably be fair, though and with the Super Rugby competition heading into just its eighth round, coach Frans Ludeke is already looking at other options.

Another former WP man, JJ Engelbrecht, comes in to take Sadie’s place at centre, while the loss of Flip van der Merwe upfront sees Juandre Kruger move into the number 4 jersey and Wilhelm Steenkamp start next to him. Additionally, flank Dewald Potgieter has been passed fit for this clash and will play off the bench after missing out on two months’ of action due to a self-inflicted wrist injury.

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 MornΓ© Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (captain), 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 4 Juandre Kruger, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Dean Greyling

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Dewald Potgieter, 19 Arno Botha, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouche, 22 Johann Sadie


  • I think most WP supporters are grinning at this news.

    What with Sadie being so outspoken since he arrived in Tswane! πŸ˜•

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.04.12 08:14:58 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 1) :

    Isn’t Engelbrecht a wing though?

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.04.12 08:26:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) :

    I believe he has played 13 before.

    I would much rather have him back at WP than Sadie.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.04.12 08:29:17 by wpw Reply
  • Sadie’s shoulder is still giving him trouble, so possibly more of a conservative approach from Ludeke.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.04.12 08:34:46 by StevieS Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 3) :

    We haven’t seen much of JJ since his move..

    Do you think he would have featured at the Bulls ahead of van Heerden? Or was van Heerden purchased to cover the loss of Engelbrecht?

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.04.12 08:36:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) :
    But Sadie will be a Bok by the mid-year tour, won’t he?

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.04.12 08:42:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : He played at 13 for Grey PE in 2007,well atleast against Queen’s he did and we beat them just to add to that,haha. Sadie though has looked a shadow of the player who played for the Stormers last year

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.04.12 08:49:20 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 7) :

    Any idea why that is?

    I see Ludeke is backing him to hit back and find that form..

    My opinion, the players around him at Stormers made him look better than he really is..

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.04.12 08:54:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : Englebrecht is a bit of a mixed bag…he runs well if he has time and space…but is found wanting sometimes when teams employ a rush defense. He also looks a bit shaky on defense on occasions. But having said that he has only been playing bits and parts so its hard to get settled.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.04.12 08:56:54 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : lets be honest now he’s got a pretty good no.12 inside him even at the Bulls,but I still think at the Bulls he doesn’t quite have the free reign he had at the Stormers,hence isn’t quite that game breaker he was,also true though,am a Bulls fan,but I’d much rather have an upcoming youngster in a Stormers backline as opposed to a Bulls backline. You ever notice how Duvenhage is so suited to Bulls rugby and Hougaard to Stormers rugby

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.04.12 09:13:04 by Ludz Reply

  • Sadie has been injured for most of the season, how much game has he had so far – +/- 120 minutes at a guess.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.04.12 09:13:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • What I like is that not much was said by the WeePee supporters when we signed Whitehead, yet now he is in form and one of the better inside centres in this years compitition.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.04.12 09:22:45 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : do you perhaps mean van den Heever? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.04.12 09:29:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : And they are still not saying much. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.04.12 09:32:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) : so much for this then πŸ˜†

    “Everything has changed since I came to the Bulls 13 weeks ago. I’m stronger, fitter, and mentally tougher and I’m burning to put all the last few months’ hard work into action.

    “Things are done a lot differently here than at the Stormers and each of the regions have their own culture.

    “I don’t really want to make comparisons but what I can say is that I never realised what my body and mind were capable of before I joined the Bulls. I didn’t realise one could be pushed so far (to the limit),” said Sadie.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.04.12 09:57:17 by Megatron Reply

  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : @Salmonoid (Comment 14) :

    Well you clearly havent been listening. 😈

    I’ve always rather Tim and wished him well when he moved to the Sharks.

    Unlike Sadie he only has good things to say about WP.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.04.12 10:02:57 by wpw Reply
  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : well whitehead was fourth choice at stormers behind mossie, jdj & sadie. it was mostly in HIS interest to leave.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.04.12 10:07:14 by Megatron Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : he has been playing well there. Starting to think that Sadie is overrated, however, it’s still too early to say. The Bulls play a different pattern which makes it difficult for him I suppose.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.04.12 10:22:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 10) :

    The Bulls are not good enough to win the super 15 sure we look good at times this year BUT the saders exposed us.
    I HATE the vuilagatte stormers BUT sadly they will win the whole damn thing. πŸ‘Ώ

    I don’t give a stuff what Bulls supporters say but when you have a 1D 10 and Meisikind at 12 then we will never have a great backline !

    We need to make a third bid for Johann Goosen he is the one who can get the best out of Venter,Serfontein,Small Smith,Beyers and Sadie.

    Xander and Werner are doing a fantastic job in terms on scouting the best backline talent in the country when i meet them at trademarx i will grill them and don’t ask me why.

    Bulls are only playing rugby for 50 minutes we better pitch up at Ellis Park or else the Lions will dish out a can of whoop ass.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.04.12 10:29:06 by Muzi Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 15) : This was all true… unfortunately for him he came up against the Sharks in the first game.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.04.12 10:32:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 17) : Bro i think i will personally go to loftus and tell Jho to go home.

    Andile needs to wake up or else he will get fired remember what Heyneke did with watermeyer and dippernaar.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.04.12 10:33:52 by Muzi Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 16) : 😎 He does seem like a genuine chap. I dont expect that you would go there but he has been penning a weekly column for Sharksrugby while on tour and its always a good read.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.04.12 10:42:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 19) :

    Johan Goosen will not win you the SR title.

    The Bulls have lost a golden generation of players some of whom were the best in their position in the world at one stage.


    They also lost Danie Rossouw, Gurthro, Gary Botha, P3.

    Any team that loses that many world class players won’t be the same! πŸ™„

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.04.12 10:59:07 by wpw Reply
  • @Ludz (Comment 10) :

    What free reign are you referring to??

    You do realise Sadie only started 1 or 2 games for the Stormers lat year, right??

    He was good but he wasn’t as good as people made of him.

    In fact, he was fairly average during the Currie Cup and at one stage he refused to pass whenever he got the ball.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.04.12 11:04:26 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 23) : how many “golden generation players” did the Reds have when they won super rugby last year? πŸ™„

    surely we’re more openminded than that.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.04.12 11:05:09 by Megatron Reply

  • I’m with Ludz,

    Sadie is not the typical in your face strong running centre that would suit the Bulls style perfectly.

    Needs to play in a backline with a little more depth & more opportunities to create rather then only handling the ball past Wynand when it’s already pretty much try-time.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.04.12 11:16:47 by hendrikp Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 24) :

    Still topped linebreaks bud. And sat on the top of the try-scoring list for a LONG time before injuries hit, despite Engelbrecht & Poolman cashing in on his linebreaks just as often.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.04.12 11:21:01 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : and you reckon he had that at the stormers who have even less depth on backline play score less tries than the bulls.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.04.12 11:22:48 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 25) :

    Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes!! 😈

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.04.12 11:27:43 by wpw Reply
  • @Megatron (Comment 28) :

    His only start at centre for the Stormers last year…

    He needs space. He’s not a bash-up type.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.04.12 11:27:53 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) :

    Set up a try for Juan de Jongh in that game also if I remember correctly.

    Is loading really slowly for me so didn’t bother.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.04.12 11:30:21 by hendrikp Reply

  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) : surely he can’t tell us he only knows how to play one way and that he needs acres of space to look flash. there’s even LESS space in Test rugby so he will struggle more there if that’s the case.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.04.12 11:33:34 by Megatron Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 29) : how many “golden generation players” do the stormers have? πŸ˜†

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.04.12 11:35:36 by Megatron Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 19) :

    Further to your comment about the Stormers being ‘vuilgatte’

    We only received 1 yellow card this season for Liebenberg playing the ball on the ground.

    The Bulls have 1 red and 2 yellows:

    – Hougaard got red for a dangerous tackle
    – Flip got yellow for playing the man in the air
    – Jacques Potgieter got a yellow for a shoulder charge against the Cheetahs

    And we’re a dirty team??? 😈 πŸ˜†

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.04.12 11:35:49 by wpw Reply
  • @Megatron (Comment 33) :

    Quite a few more than the EP Kings!! πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.04.12 11:38:31 by wpw Reply
  • I blame keo for all the hype surrounding Sadie. They put him on this particular pedestal last year just before the World Cup squad was chosen.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.04.12 11:43:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 31) :

    So Sadie had one very good game for the Stormers.

    He hasn’t done much since then!! πŸ™„

    Failed to live up to the hype during the CC last year.

    His 6 tries is on par with CJ Stander, Marcel vd Merwe and Pieter Labuschagne.

    Heck even Jacques Botes scored more CC tries than him!! πŸ˜†

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.04.12 11:49:47 by wpw Reply
  • Look Sadie’s a game breaker,those X-factor players,but I feel at the Bulls he’s asked to adjust his natural instinctive game to more structured,conservative game,lets be honest now the Stormers backline’s been a bit reserved this year,but last year gentlemen,they started playing some pretty good running rugby,Peter Grant at that point was getting the backline going pretty well,the attacking game was there and Sadie came through and fitted right in. Currie Cup,the only experienced campaigner left was Duvenhage,the rest of the backline was all inexperienced and well,so to pass judgement on his Currie Cup performance in a team that was crippled by injuries and Bok call-ups is being a bit narrow minded

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.04.12 11:56:19 by Ludz Reply

  • Megatron speaks true here.

    Sadie is good, but another reminder why a kid should not be hyped like that. Any player who needs a particular backline style of play is far from a finished product.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.04.12 11:57:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) :
    Weak. πŸ™„

    @Ludz (Comment 38) :
    CC rugby allows more space – many players thrive in that environment, but struggle at SR and Test level because there is much less space there.

    Just goes to show that he needs to grow more as a centre.

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.04.12 12:00:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : your aspirations are very low if you have to stoop to the level of the Kings to get one over.

    oh i forget you’re a Liverpool supporter, go figure :mrgreen: πŸ™„

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.04.12 12:13:41 by Megatron Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : blame HEYNEKE MEYER! he is the one that said “if i was coach i would pick sadie right now for the world cup squad, he is ready. the one thing i have always liked about the boy is that he plays without fear, of either losing or failing”

    and then the R1.4 million annual salary.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.04.12 12:16:22 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 42) :

    Totally Agree with you.Who knows maybe Ludeke has lost patience with Sadie.I hope Frans is not thinking “what the hell did Meyer see in this kid.” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.04.12 12:32:06 by Muzi Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : Agree that he’s not ready for the Bok step up,was very excited,but in hindsight reckon the move was premature for his career,should’ve stuck through for atleast,but then again,what would you do when you’ve got Bok ambitions and got 3 Bok centres ahead of you,looking at it now,at that point he was caught between a rock and a hard place,leaving a team that he would thrive in or going to a team that would give him opportunities

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.04.12 12:39:52 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 44) : sadie left a place where he would’ve developed to being a lionel messi @ barcelona for a place at real madrid where the spotlight is constantly on him and he is expected to bag goals like cristiano ronaldo!

    when messi was introduced as a 19yr old @ barca there was still deco, xavi, ronaldinho (world’s best football player) playing in the barca midfield but he waited his turn, sadie was too eager and gassed by meyer’s comments!

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.04.12 12:53:37 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 42) : Forgot about the Meyer comment! He’s been added to the blame list. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.04.12 13:00:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 45) : very well put,thank you,that said rugby aside,think Christiano Ronaldo might have hit his peak this season

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.04.12 13:10:53 by Ludz Reply


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