Final Baby Bok squad named

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 25 Apr 2012 at 13:02
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Dawie Theron has asked Bulls flanker Wian Liebenberg to lead a strong SA Under 20 side at this year’s IRB Junior Wolrd Chamionship in Cape Town and Stellenbosch.

Super Rugby players in Johan Goosen, Steven Kitshoff and Paul Jordaan have been included, along with the Lions’ Paul Willemse and Sharks Pieter-Steph du Toit, both of whom have been exposed to this year’s competition in a small way.

The Sharks are well represented, with props Allan Dell and Maks van Dyk, and loose forwards Khaya Majola and Braam Steyn all making the cut alongside Jordaan and du Toit.

There’s also been a frankly shock inclusion for young Ollie Kebble, son of former Sharks and Bok prop Guy. Kebble, who has been in France for the last year or so, played a Vodacom Cup trial match for the Sharks earlier in the year, before signing a contract with Western Province.

The full South Africa Under-20 squad for the Junior World Championship:

Surname Name Position Provincial Union
Leyds Dillyn Fullback Western Province
Schmidt Marais Fullback Golden Lions
Ismaiel Travis Wing Blue Bulls
Jordaan Paul Wing Kwazulu-Natal
Mbovane Tshotsho Wing Western Province
Hammond Dean Wing Western Province
Howard Pat Centre Western Province
Serfontein Jan Centre Blue Bulls
Small-Smith William Centre Blue Bulls
Goosen Johan Flyhalf Free State
Jantjies Tony Flyhalf Blue Bulls
Griesel Abrie Scrumhalf Blue Bulls
Luiters Kevin Scrumhalf Free State
Adendorff Shaun Flank Blue Bulls
Booysen Fabian Flank Golden Lions
Majola Khaya Flank KwaZulu-Natal
Liebenberg (captain) Wian Flank Blue Bulls
Steyn Braam Flank KwaZulu-Natal
Du Toit Pieter-Steph Lock KwaZulu-Natal
Orie Marvin Lock Blue Bulls
Botha Ruan Lock Golden Lions
Willemse Paul Lock Golden Lions
Dell Allan Prop KwaZulu-Natal
Kebble Oliver Prop Western Province
Kitshoff Steven Prop Western Province
Van Dyk Nicolaas Prop KwaZulu-Natal
Pretorius Mark Hooker Golden Lions
Thomas Jason Hooker Blue Bulls


  • Well done to Pat Howard, ex Michaelhouse and Shaun Adendorff, ex Glenwood. True home grown talent lost to the Sharks!

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.04.12 13:10:36 by Grasshopper Reply
  • Thought Jaco Taute was still young enough to qualify for this team or am I mistaken?

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.04.12 13:18:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 1) : Great squad, can’t see how we will lose. We need to Win, our junior rugby should be by a long run the Best in the world.

    I mean Jordaan, Mbovane, Serfontein, Goosen, Luiters, Du Toit, Willemse, Dell and Kitshoff…great youngsters, will all play international rugby one day for sure. Luiters will probably end up in the Blitzbokke side.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.04.12 13:23:58 by JJR Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : He played lasy year…he was utterly terrible to be honest, he was getting man handled by some England lighties.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.04.12 13:25:05 by JJR Reply
  • Congrats to the 9 :mrgreen: Baby Bulls player who made the final squad.
    Special mention must go to the Bulls High Performance and Development Manager Eric Sauls,Bulls Under 19 Head Coch Paul Anthony and Junior Scouts Werner and Xander.

    Bulls Rugby is good hands we have alot of talent.Some these players will be playing currie cup soon.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.04.12 13:41:42 by Muzi Reply

  • @ Ludz
    Grey College monster tighthead Prop :mrgreen: Neethling Fouche is unlucky.
    Xander fought hard for him to make the trials.
    He impressed but Oom Dawie went for the more experienced Oliver Kebble.

    EP’s Muir College can be proud of Jaso Thomas at Hooker he has a massive future.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.04.12 13:46:14 by Muzi Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 1) :
    The Sharks did not really rate Shaun Adendorff Hans Scriba signed up Guy Alexander,Majola and Braam Steyn. 😉
    The Bulls had to fight for his signature i’m so happy for him he has improved alot at the Bulls set up.

    Remember what i said about the ex Glenwood players Jacques Taylor,Ferdi Horn,Dean Moolman at the Bulls watch them make the Baby Boks training Squad this year.

    Xander started scouting with Meyer 4 years ago.He has worked so damn hard to secure the best talent for Bulls rugby.

    I do not want to say too much but i already know which players we have signed up from KZN this year.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.04.12 13:57:19 by Muzi Reply

  • Sorry, well done to Westville old boy Khaya Majola too! Another home grown talent!

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.04.12 13:58:06 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Well I think Ruan Venter can count himself extremely unlucky,so much potential,but think the injuries have hampered his progress,Dean Hammond (Selborne) and Allan Dell (Queen’s) border boys,also pretty chuffed for what Pat Howard,wonder if this Kebble guy isn’t that solid piece of meat from St Andrews?

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.04.12 13:58:30 by Ludz Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Why not if they have already signed?

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.04.12 14:04:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 9) : Some good news SA under Prop Morne Mellet is finally fit.He’s starting in the vodacom cup side.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.04.12 14:31:19 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 9) : Kebble went to Bishops like his dad, before finishing school in England.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.04.12 14:33:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : There’s a massive difference between under 20 and senior rugby, and I for one (jaded sharks supporter) am not going to buy into the hype of which province got which baby player. Having 9 baby boks in Pretoria does not automatically translate into silverware, but if it makes you happy, then cool.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.04.12 14:33:26 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 13) : Oh it makes me very happy like werner said it can build more depth. 😉

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.04.12 14:38:56 by Muzi Reply

  • Eish feel sorry for Siseko Jafta he was going to be the captain.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.04.12 14:39:59 by Muzi Reply

  • @CapeShark (Comment 13) : it makes muesli happy like a pig in mud boet…

    @Muzi (Comment 14) : “depth”, really? as in watermeyer, brummer, dippenaar, skosan, omphile seabela, gerrit-jan van velze, vainon willis, zane botha, tendai chikukwa, sampie mastriet, marnus schoeman, frederik kirsten?

    how much depth have all these “baby boks” added to the senior blue bulls team if heyneke had to go and folk out R1.4 million for sadie & also purchase engelbrecht?

    where are the homegrown bulls wings when the bulls shell out R1 million to sign bjorn basson?



  • Comment 16, posted at 25.04.12 14:57:54 by Megatron Reply

  • 1. Steven Kitshoff (WP)
    2. Mark Pretorius (Lions)
    3. Allan Dell (Sharks)
    4. PSdT (Sharks)
    5. Ruan Botha (Lions)
    6. Khaya Majola (Sharks)
    7. Wian Liebenberg (Bulls)
    8. Fabian Booysens (Lions)
    9. Kevin Luiters (Cheetahs)
    10. Johan Goosen (Cheetahs)
    11. Tshotsho Mbovane (WP)
    12. Jan Serfontein (Bulls)
    13. Pat Howard (WP)
    14. Paul Jordaan (Sharks)
    15. Marais Schmidt (Lions)
    this in my opinion is the strongest side we have

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.04.12 15:06:10 by Ludz Reply

  • The Bulls spent R1million on Bjorn Basson 😯 !!! – now that is the very defintiion of wasteful expenditure.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.04.12 15:20:33 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 16) :

    Hehehe @ ‘Muesli’ 😆 😈

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.04.12 15:47:16 by wpw Reply
  • @Ludz (Comment 17) : I agree.

    It seems that Ruan Venter isn’t 100% yet or i would have expected him to be in the group.
    lions juniors are going to be spoilt for choice at lock this year and in 2013 with Ruan Botha, Paul Willemse, Venter and Oosthuizen competing.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.04.12 17:31:53 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 20) :

    That is true, though I dont think that many of them will stay in the Junior side though. From what I have seen and heard Willemse will play in the CC as the 4 and might even be there if Roodt doesnt step up going forward in Superugby. As for Botha he will probably play a part off the bench in Superugby perhaps and is looking like he will tour to NZ/Aus, and I would imagine he will play a large part in CC as well. I think Oosthuizen may have to play at flank going forward. There is a lot of talent there and will be interested to see how it works out going forward.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.04.12 18:03:38 by Pat Reply

  • @Pat (Comment 21) : I get the feeling that Oosthuizen may switch to flank at some point. Does he have the height to be considered a genuine lock?

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.04.12 19:55:13 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Of course this news piece wouldn’t be the same without a comment about who the Bulls have signed from my good friend Muzi :mrgreen:

    I have it good authority that your scouting buddies have signed a couple of the Maritzburg College boys who’s names rhyme with eel.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.04.12 19:58:19 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 20) : Should the Lions be relegated you may find these locks playing for other unions. Sharks should put in a transfer request for Ruan Botha. Be great if him and PSdT could play in the same team. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.04.12 20:00:24 by slammerboy Reply
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  • If Willemse is to become 1st choice,a lot of lineout work required,Ruan Botha not the biggest,but I really don’t see Franco van der Merwe finishing 2013 as 1st choice no.5 if Botha keeps developing so well. Big fan of Venter,but think he might be behind Willemse in the pecking order now

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.04.12 20:18:12 by Ludz Reply

  • The Bulls have signed the kriel twins? The Lions would be stupid to let Ruan Botha go,in Oosthuizen,Willemse and Venter they have enforcers and not geniune no.5 locks

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.04.12 20:33:58 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 26) : That’s what I heard from a decent source but I’m sure we’ll only get confirmation at the end of craven week.

    The Lions may not have a choice but let these guys go especially if they’re not in Super rugby. Would be the same for any other team in the same situation. At the end of the day these guys want to play Super rugby.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.04.12 20:45:27 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Muzi, I believe the Bulls have signed Glenwood No8 Carel Swart for next year..

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.04.12 20:52:26 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 28) : along with Josh Stander, Jaco vd Walt, the Monnas 10, the Affies lock RG Snyman.

    I bet they’ll be after the signature of the Grey High fullback Seargel Peterson sp?? Who scored 3 tries against Paul Roos

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.04.12 20:54:42 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 22) :

    I think that is where they see his future position. Im not sure what his height is, at times it is quoted as 1.98 and others 194 – and his weight seems to fluctuate as well. I think it is 194-5 that is more accurate. He went on at flank for the Lions against the Cheetahs in the Superrugby game so that would indicate his future lies there and that is where they see him playing.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.04.12 21:04:06 by Pat Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 25) :

    In the Lions v Cheetahs game Willemse took a few lineout balls so he can jump at 2 lock which bodes well. Certainly does need to develop that aspect but his physicaliy for such a young guy is incredibly impressive – I have never seen Ashley Johnson stopped in his tracks like that before. As for Botha at 2.04 he obviously has the height but I’m sure they will get him to fill out this year, as the conditioning staff are pretty good up at the Lions. Certainly playing off the bench will be good for him.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.04.12 21:06:08 by Pat Reply

  • Sergio Peterson has electric pace,wonderful player on the counter attack. If the Bulls were to sign Sergio,they certainly wouldn’t need the other Kriel at fullback,someone asked if there was a player who could keep Sergio out of the SA Schools no.15,but from what I’ve heard this young Kriel could do just that,can you tell me their names quickly,forgotten their names. So I assume Ryno Eksteen (Affies flyhalf) will be leaving the Bulls next year if they are looking at signing both Josh and van der Walt

    Ruan Botha will get opportunities,that much I am sure of,so the Lions will do well to hold onto him

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.04.12 21:17:30 by Ludz Reply

  • @ Slammerboy,Grasshopper and Ludz some schoolboy rugby transfer news :mrgreen:

    When i spoke to Xander he said they are already in talks with Sergeal Petersen this week.

    Yes Carl Swart was signed by the Bulls already last year.
    Daniel And Jesse Kriel have also been signed up by the Bulls.
    It’s no yet confirmed.

    Bulls supporters better prepare for some good news soon concerning Gimmies pivot Handre Pollard.
    All i will say is we are fighting for his signature he is brilliant.
    Most scouts say he is the next big thing after goosen.

    Affies 2.02 metre lock Janse Van Rensburg and 2.04 Metre lock RG Snyman still 17 years old 😯 :mrgreen: are staying with the Bulls.Affies Captain and the SA schools prop Pierre Schoeman is also a Bulls player.

    The Sharks and Bulls are after Malcolm Marx.But the problem is that he has a Lions junior contract.Xander will only sign him if he really wants to play for the Bulls.He will have to play hooker or prop. 😉

    Want to reveal more but so far that’s all i can say.Made a promise to werner concerning the other signings.

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.04.12 10:12:12 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 33) : WP schoolboys normally stay in the Cape. I think WP will do what they can to keep Pollard in the Cape. No point in you okes having both Stander and Pollard

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.04.12 10:16:29 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 32) :

    Yes Jesse Kriel is talented at 15 BUT Sergeal can easily slot in at wing.

    In terms of Ryno Eksteen he is talented but we really do not need him.We have Joshua Stander and hopefully Pollard.

    Remember Jaco from Monna’s and Kloffies Marais are still in grade 11.

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.04.12 10:19:13 by Muzi Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 34) :
    The Bulls have identified Pollard as the future pivot to take over Morne.
    We have been in contact with him since since grade 10.
    Pollard knows Xander very very well they are close.
    Like i said he is a great players arguably the best schoolboy talent.
    I think we can sign him.

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.04.12 10:23:41 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 35) :

    Are you sure Jaco vd Walt is Grade 11, last year he was, otherwise he would have played SA Schools when he was in Grade 10 which is almost unheard of. Think he is Grade 12, but he does have a younger brother who plays similar position.

    Is Vd Walt going to the Bulls, because if they get Stander, Pollard and Vd Walt they will have three flyhalves which seems crazy?

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.04.12 10:24:09 by Pat Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 34) :
    Let me put it this way it’s about the desire to join the Bulls.
    We have made pollard a good offer.Pollard is exactly the 10 Bulls rugby has been looking for after missing out on Goosen.
    If we sign him it would be a major coup for Bulls rugby.

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.04.12 10:26:38 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 38) : I do like your enthusiasm Muzi but I have my doubts about what Bulls rugby actually does to a all singing all dancing flyhalf. I hope the Bulls change their mentality and the way they play because this kid could just end up another one dimensional player.

    Any idea where the EG Jansen 10 is going?

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.04.12 10:32:00 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Pat (Comment 37) :
    Look i respect your opininon concerning Jaco.
    It’s his decision Xander did not force jaco to join the Bulls.
    There is a good reason why Stoney and Burger decided to leave the lions.
    Xander and Werner are following the rules concerning player recruitment.
    Both of them have said that alot of players approach the bulls because they want to join the set up.
    Bulls spend alot of money in the high performance set up.
    We are attracting schoolboy talent because we have one of the best structures in the country.
    Yes not everyone will make it but at the end of the day the players and parents are the one’s who make the decisions.

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.04.12 10:34:28 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 33) : so its not just Glenwood boys now making their way north to Bulls country. If Tom continues to play fullback next year then Kriels move to the Bulls will be vindicated.

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.04.12 10:35:27 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 39) :
    The Bulls are trying to play running rugby.Look even now in the super 15 we played some good 3D rugby.It takes time we have to find the right balance.Pollard is similar to Goosen he has the all round game we want at the Bulls.
    Morne Steyn’s form has been shocking we are looking for a replacement i have no doubt pollard is exactly what we looking for.

    The EG Jansen 10 has not made up his mind yet.
    Sharks will probably get Pieter Jordaan from Grey and Affies Eksteen.

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.04.12 10:41:32 by Muzi Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 41) :
    Like i said the Bulls have first option with the kriel twins.
    Remember Stefan Ungerer had a bulls under 18 contract but in the end he chose to stay with the sharks.Nothing is confirmed yet they can easily sign for the sharks.

    Tom is already a sharks player.

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.04.12 10:45:41 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 42) : hi mr “depth”

    what happened to all these players who were signed to the bulls?

    watermeyer, brummer, dippenaar, skosan, omphile seabela, gerrit-jan van velze, vainon willis, zane botha, tendai chikukwa, sampie mastriet, marnus schoeman, frederik kirsten?

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.04.12 11:08:34 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 44) :
    Some of them failed to make the step up. :mrgreen:
    So Meyer fired them.
    Others like Skosan are shit but Mastriet has bulked up he’s looking good in the vodacom cup side.
    He still has butter fingers. 😕
    Still:evil: that we let Marnus Schoeman go to the griquas.
    Brummer and Boshoff are with the Griquas.
    Zane Botha is playing vodacom cup rugby.
    Never rated Van Velze at all happy he is going.
    Kirsten is done with his studies he’s playing well in the super 15 side.
    Willis was always overrated he signed for the leopards.
    Tendai is crap he was there to balance the demographics.’
    Seabela played for TUT in the varsity cup he could not tackle to save his life.
    Watermeyer is an Ospreys player Dippies is with the sevens side.

    Not everyone makes it at the Bulls :mrgreen: even your Home boy Ace Jho is in deep shit.He will join seabela soon.

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.04.12 11:24:42 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 45) : but you do get the point that your giddiness at who the bulls junior set up signs means NOTHING if as you say the boys are not guaranteed to “make the step up”?

    all the names i counted were baby boks selected by Eric Sauls!

    so in essence he has FAILED to develop them properly!

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.04.12 12:34:08 by Megatron Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 45) : ok – I have a problem with 2 things here…

    your mention of the word “demographics” is a clear violation of our golden rule, so please, no more of that.

    even worse, though, Tendai and Oompile are both Boys High boys, so I expect a greater level of dignity and respect when talking about them! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.04.12 12:42:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : voetsek zy met die “logic”… we don’t want that shit here. We’re praise-singing! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.04.12 12:43:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 45) : Hey Muzi, if you see Beet, tell him Salmo misses his posts.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.04.12 13:07:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 46)
    True Brummer’s group had some talented players BUT the Bulls already knew they were never going to make the step up. 😉

    The Dippernaars and Watermeyers were good enough as back up players.Short term solutions.

    When Meyer came back to the Bulls he changed the whole recruitment system.

    It was simple a better budget,a much improved deeper scouting system ,and only two scouts.We now only look at the top 4 players in each position.

    Oom Meyer was scouting for the Bulls he idendifield players like Pieter Steph Du Toit,Jacques Du Plessis,William Small Smith as potential boks in the future.

    That is why i’m confident players like Francois Venter,Arno Botha,Serfontein ect will make the step up Meyer has already watched them 5 years ago.They are better than Eric Sauls rejects.

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.04.12 13:32:53 by Muzi Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) :
    Have no clue were Beet is.
    Go check Rugby365 and Twitter.

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.04.12 13:34:34 by Muzi Reply

  • Also miss beet on here,but I still ge to see his posts on 365 and it’s schoolboy season,so I guess he’s quite occupied on that side of things,if sharksworld had a bit more schoolboy rugby,you’d see the value of beet to schoolboy rugby,particularly KZN schoolboy rugby,where so many future Sharks will come.

    I have to be honest don’t think it will do any of the boys good if they are all from the same age group and play the same position ie Josh Stander,Handre Pollard,Jaco vd Walt,Province have expressed interest in Josh before,but they wanted him to move schools,which he wasn’t keen to do,a respectable trait of any young man. If that were to be the case that the Bulls wanted all 3,then I’d rather he move to Province if they were still interested,I’ll always back Josh against challengers,so it’s not so much so the competitive environment,but rather the kind of message these young lads are getting,the unions should be about rather confidently backing this young lads and making sure they’re comfortable with the vision the unions forsee for them,look it’s understandable that the union must have precautions players can get easily injured ie Dries Swanepoel. Really now 3 schoolboy flyhalves?

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.04.12 13:58:06 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 52) : that’s the Bulls way Ludz. I see things changing there with Meyer and is mates now focussed on the Boks.

    I like the look of the Dale flyhalf. Wonder which union he has signed for

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.04.12 14:04:25 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 53) :
    @slammerboy (Comment 54) :
    Josh Stander and Jaco vd Walt are the one’s who want to come to the Bulls.If they have second thought then they can go to the Lions,Sharks or WP.
    Xander did not point a gun at them and forced them to sign.
    You guys should be blaming their parents the Bulls scouts did their jobs and that’s to approach players who are keen on wearing the blue jersey.

    Lets’s not get ahead ourselves concerning Pollard it’s not confirmed.

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.04.12 14:13:26 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 53) :
    If the Bull do sign all 3 flyhalves..Pollard will play seniOR rugby soon,Josh Bulls Under 19 rugby..Jaco will used as a utility back just like Burger Odendaal.
    Bulls have a plan that’s to create a team union full of world class talent not mediocre players.
    We want to be the best.

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.04.12 14:16:56 by Muzi Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : Eric sauls tenure as SA U20 coach was characterised by average performance and poor (some would say Bulls biased) selections.
    Most of the names you mentioned should never have been there in the first place.
    The 2009 side to Japan was a good example. The Bulls had the highest representation in that squad despite not even making the semis’s in the U19 CC in 2008 (won by the Sharks).
    he totally ignored Pat Lambie who had been the SA Schools fullback in 2007 and 2008 and went on to have an outstanding season for the Sharks u21 side that year.
    I guess thats why so many of them havent stepped up.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.04.12 14:31:31 by steve Reply

  • Exactly what I mean,what does that say to Josh and Jaco,if it’s already being said that Pollard will play senior rugby ahead of both of them. Look I know Josh is a competitor and mentally very strong,so he’ll take everything in his stride and he’ll want to prove that he’s got what it takes,but other players like Jaco could be mentally crushed don’t know him too well,just saying that it could be like that,it’s not good for young players to be in such competitive environments particurlarly while they learn the ins and outs of being pro sportsmen,am a Bulls fan,but some of their recruitment methods are just not appropriate for youngsters,for instance it’s said that Cheetahs u19 group this year isn’t of more than 35 players,reckon that’s good at the level these boys are,not a squad of 60 players

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.04.12 14:37:17 by Ludz Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 53) :

    It might also change with the length of superugby as well. As we have seen already depth is a non-negotiable which means that talented youngsters that have the aptitude to play at a higher level quite quickly will get opportunities. We have already seen the benefits of Goosen’s decision to stay at Free State rather than go to the Bulls and PS Du Toit and even to some extent Paul Jordaan whilst Willemse would have played a lot more if he was not injured. In essence if some of these youngsters hang around smaller franchises with less of a junior playing pool they may get opportunities a lot quicker.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.04.12 14:47:14 by Pat Reply

  • Most of the major unions only contract about 20-25 U19 players each year. These groups are supplemented by players who recieve bursarys from associated universitys like Stellenbosch, UJ, Shimlas and Tuks. I dont see how any union can sustain contracting 60 players a year at this level – at least 30 of them wont be playing.
    This was one of the things that contributed to financial strain at the Lions – way too many contracted players who werent good enough and/or werent playing.

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.04.12 14:58:42 by steve Reply

  • @steve (Comment 56) : hi steve, i know everything you’ve just said, i was trying to point out the same to our overzealous bulls fanboy Muesli here. check what he wrote in comment#5

    “Congrats to the 9 Baby Bulls player who made the final squad.
    Special mention must go to the Bulls High Performance and Development Manager Eric Sauls

    but now suddenly the story has changed and it is now Heyneke who ACTUALLY scouted these brilliant youngster, so i guess the “special mention” should be going to him because we KNOW how kak Sauls was with the Baby Boks and how kak the players he’s had at the Blue Bulls academy have been.

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.04.12 15:00:47 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 61) :
    That really pisses you off doesn’t it. 😛

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.04.12 15:26:14 by Muzi Reply

  • Think they used to call hyperbole at school Steve,me and and a bit of exaggeration,so don’t read too much into that 60 I wrote

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.04.12 15:29:04 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 62) : I’m not so sure… it definitely feels like 60 the way they go on each year.

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.04.12 15:31:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 58) :
    Remember i’m the one who thinks Pollard will play play senior rugby.
    Xander and Werner said nothing concerning pollard playing senior rugby.
    I know you come from Queens College and you probaby do have direct contact with Josh.
    Ask him why he is joining the Bulls please.

    And for the record we have not signed Handre Pollard do not jump into conclusions.I’d hate to receive a call from Pollards’s parents and xander for that matter.

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.04.12 15:36:38 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 63) :
    For the record the Bulls do not contract 60 players.
    Have no clue where you got that from. 🙄

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.04.12 15:38:19 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 64) : hi Xander – if you’re reading his.


  • Comment 66, posted at 26.04.12 15:41:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 57) :
    Well sir those who have not stepped up have left.
    More will leave soon BUT we always keep the best one’s. 🙂
    Stoney Steenkamp and Burger Odendaal got screwed over by the lions and UJ.
    Very unprofessional so they went up to loftus.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.04.12 15:42:42 by Muzi Reply

  • Don’t worry mate,doubt Xander or the Pollards will think that,they know we just throwing around a few names and possible destinations for these young lads and what you expect for them. I’ll talk to him sometime and find out.

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.04.12 15:45:01 by Ludz Reply

  • If Pollard is reading all this he may actually think twice about signing for the Bulls if he is actually considering it. To be honest if I was him I stick around in the Cape. Firstly why live in Pretoria when you can say in Cape Town and secondly WP actually doesn’t have huge depth at 10 so he has a chance to do well in this position for the union.

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.04.12 15:45:07 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) :
    It’s not Xander problem that talented kids in KZN give the sharks the finger.

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.04.12 15:45:59 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 61) : “piss me off”? not a chance my Muesli, i enjoy seeing you prance around 😆 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.04.12 15:49:55 by Megatron Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 69) :
    If Joshua Stander turns down the Bulls then i will know who he had a chat with.

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.04.12 15:50:04 by Muzi Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 70) :
    Jealousy makes you nasty 🙂
    Blame the sharks scouts.

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.04.12 15:52:35 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 70) : as soon as the Sharks get University team competing in the Varsity Cup we will start retaining a few more of these guys as well as attracting others

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.04.12 15:53:19 by slammerboy Reply
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  • Look don’t get me wrong,always want the Bulls to do well,but this congestion of the top talent in the country all in Pretoria isn’t good long term for the youngsters and primarily SA Rugby

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.04.12 15:54:16 by Ludz Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 72) :
    Haha what did you expect this is sharksword i’m not going chill around here and gloat about the sharks. 😈
    When the Bulls start losing then you won’t see me here again. :mrgreen: 😆

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.04.12 15:58:30 by Muzi Reply

  • @slammerboy (Comment 75) :
    True by then the Bulls would have won another 3 super 15 titles. :mrgreen:
    The sharks are falling behind in terms of recruitment.

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.04.12 16:00:31 by Muzi Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 76) :
    Long term it’s good for the Bulls.
    Sorry mate if people want moan about the bulls contracting all the talent,then lions,cheetahs and sharks scouts need to look at their structures.

    I left out the brokeback mountain boys from Cape Town because they finally got their shit in order.

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.04.12 16:04:13 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 77) : my patience is wearing thin… may I respectfully remind you of your manners?

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.04.12 16:04:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hahaha,I’d like to think that Josh respects me as his senior at Queen’s,but don’t think he respects me to the extent that he’d change his mind just because of me,not a chance,am sure he’ll be in Pretoria next year.

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.04.12 16:05:14 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 81) :
    Hmmm you never know that.
    Remember i kept a promise to werner concerning the other bulls signings.
    External and Internal influences play a big aprt in securing talent.
    The less i say the better.

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.04.12 16:09:11 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 73) : At least jealousy didn’t make him switch his loyalties to the Bulls

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.04.12 16:09:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :
    Wait a minute you are about to fire me from sharksworld because i don’t gloat about sharks rugby. 😕
    Cmon seriously now.

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.04.12 16:12:15 by Muzi Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) :
    Haha good one you got me just bacause i said i do not like the sharks suddenly Muzi is a bad guy now.

    Seriously what did you expect. 🙄

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.04.12 16:14:51 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 84) : I don’t know you but I doubt you’re a bad guy. You seem very passionate about your new team – that doesn’t make you bad. If anything, I’d describe you as the consistently inconsistent guy.

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.04.12 16:27:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) :
    Heard that one before.

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.04.12 16:34:32 by Muzi Reply

  • Sorry the reply link has disappeared,but vanmartin,the consistently inconsistent guy. Needed the laugh though

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.04.12 16:35:36 by Ludz Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) :
    Well you won’t see the so called ‘consistently inconsistent guy’ in sharksworld again.

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.04.12 16:42:03 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 88) : Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it Muzi 😉

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.04.12 16:57:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 88) : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO come back Muesli 🙄 😀

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.04.12 17:02:00 by Megatron Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 90) :
    Oh It’s true it’s my last day here in sharksworld. 😉
    Did enjoy my time but i’m done.I’d hate to get banned.
    Just have to unsubscribe.

  • Comment 91, posted at 26.04.12 17:04:06 by Muzi Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 91) :
    I’m kewl with twitter and rugby365.
    Megs i won’t forget you :mrgreen: .Nearly got banned.
    Sweet bro.

  • Comment 92, posted at 26.04.12 17:07:45 by Muzi Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 91) : this site is for everyone but you have to obey the rules. Good honest debating is healthy. Remember there are other guys who post here who aren’t Sharks supporters and they seem to get by ok.

    Anyway who’s going to fill us in with the latest schoolboy transfer gossip?

  • Comment 93, posted at 26.04.12 17:10:11 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 94) :
    Um Beet looks like he’s on sabbatical.
    Ludz can keep you updated.
    You will have to ask Werner and Xander on twitter.
    Cheers pal.

  • Comment 94, posted at 26.04.12 17:12:45 by Muzi Reply

  • Cmon Muzi mate,who’s gonna help me defend the Bulls now,please reconsider my man,please man

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.04.12 17:43:50 by Ludz Reply

  • @Muzi (Comment 91) : I wasn’t questioning whether it’s true or not. I was saying stop playing the victim. You’re not as innocent as you try and make out to be.

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.04.12 18:14:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • “@wdbrugby: On our way to Wildeklawer Kimberley me and Blue Bulls coach Nollis Marais,looking forward to some great scouting!”

    Interestingly no scouts were allowed at the Kearsney Festival

  • Comment 97, posted at 27.04.12 09:19:54 by slammerboy Reply
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  • England U20 squad has been named for the JWC

    Players to keep an eye on include:-

    Matt Kvesic – Worcester Warriors No.8 – 1.86m, 104kg – this lad has plenty of Aviva Premiership experience
    David Sisi – London Irish – Flank – 1.93m, 120kg – played a few games in the AP this season
    Jamie Elliott – Northampton Saints – centre/wing 1.80m, 88kg – been a first team regular this season
    Ben Spencer – Saracens -scrumhalf – 1.83m, 85kg – been part of the 1st team this season and started when de Kock was injured
    Marland Yarde – London Irish – wing – 1.85m, 88kg – lots and pace and power. Will be a key player for Irish in seasons to come

    Elliot Daly the star London Wasps centre is not included in the squad either because of injury or because he may be a bolter in the England squad to tour SA in June

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.05.12 13:03:18 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 98) : Matt Kvesic out of the England U20 Squad as he is having an operation on a shoulder injury. He is being replaced by Wasps No 8 Billy Vunipola who made his debut for Wasps when he was still at school. In my opinion this is a bonus for SA as Vunipola looks unconditioned. He is a unit clocking 126kgs. He played in the England U18 team against whom Paul Jordaan scored that memorable try.

  • Comment 99, posted at 09.05.12 21:54:43 by slammerboy Reply
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