Burden the Bok bolter

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Admin, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 18 Aug 2012 at 22:21
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Craig Burden will tour to Argentina with the Springbok Rugby Championship squad, as cover for the injured Bismarck du Plessis.

Du Plessis went off early during the Boks’ Newlands victory over Argentina and initial indications are that the knee injury he sustained will keep him out for pretty much the rest of the season.

The Boks will head for Argentina with 26 players in tow; aside from those who did duty in today’s match 22 (minus Bismarck, of course), Burden, Tiaan Liebenberg, Dean Greyling, Juandre Kruger and Jano Vermaak have all made the cut.

That leaves Siya Kolisi, Juan de Jongh and Elton Jantjies who have missed out from the original 30 man squad. They will apparently be released to play Currie Cup and may come back into the selection frame later in the year.

Forwards (15): Willem Alberts, Andries Bekker, Craig Burden, Pat Cilliers, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Dean Greyling, Juandré Kruger, Tiaan Liebenberg, Tendai Mtawarira, Jacques Potgieter, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe.

Backs (11): Jean de Villiers (captain), JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Jano Vermaak.


  • I can’t be happier. He shouldve been there earlier in the week in the place of Liebenberg. Sharks continue to domninate!!! And Handebe to start next week for the die hard Sharks! Pity for the awesome Bismark but I am loving the depth the Sharks are uncovering!

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.08.12 22:25:38 by KingRiaan Reply
  • Happy for Craig, but he sadly won’t even see the bench. Not impressed with Jacques Potgieter and can’t understand his continued selection ahead of other, far more impressive loose forwards.

    But good luck to Craig, and hope BdP heals up fast, like the super-human he is.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.08.12 22:35:25 by MerckZ Reply
  • Where is Kyle Cooper by the way? Injured?

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.08.12 23:04:32 by Ben Reply
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  • Thought Marcell Coetzee took a big step forward, again. Great to watch him play.

    At the same time I feel sad for Brussow. One of the best opensides in the world.

    If we can get past these injuries, we’ll start winning a heck of a lot more then we lose.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.08.12 07:44:39 by hendrikp Reply

  • @MerckZ (Comment 2) : Heyneke Meyer likes his hair…only explanation for his selection..The guy is crap, Siya can do a much better job.Heyneke is turning out to be one huge disappointment, his clear favouritism of Bulls players is making me sick. IMO, Portgieter is behind Siya, Deysel and Strauss in the pecking order.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.08.12 07:47:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Congrats Craig, well done.

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.08.12 07:48:31 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 5) : If Deysel keep playing like he did last night, even Alberts is in danger of being surpassed.

    He played like a mixture between Keegan and Alberts – straight line wrecking ball, spinning out of tackles….and that against a SR team.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.08.12 08:05:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 5) :

    Yes not sure how the heck Potgieter keeps making it.

    Said it before – I’d put Arno Botha ahead of him even at this stage.

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.08.12 08:19:40 by hendrikp Reply

  • Stoked for Burden, all that hard work has paid off. Probably won’t get near the pitch though. Have fun touring the streets of Buenos Aires…

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.08.12 08:23:58 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 3) : yes… out for the first half of the Currie Cup at least

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.08.12 08:39:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : dude, to be fair, you’d pick Arno Botha ahead of Richie McCaw too 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.08.12 08:39:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • I tell you what, the Boks could do a lot worse than to include Burden on the bench ahead of Liebenberg,

    The Boks, as we saw yesterday, lack x factor. They have a lot of quite similar players who are good at doing the predictable over and over. Liebenberg isn’t going to add any sort of extra dimension off the bench, but Burden certainly could.

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.08.12 08:41:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • How Siya gets to wear a Province outfit is beyond me!!! He should be seen with a green and gold jumper!

    Don’t think Burden will make the bench either, although he has the x-factor. Heyneke will go with Liebenberg for his “bashing” abilities. Where Craig is the “sevens” hooker that can scrum as well.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.08.12 08:55:58 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • Still stoked for Craig’s inclusion.

    So Hadebe will start for the Sharks, but who will be pulled up as his understudy?

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.08.12 08:57:23 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Don’t think HM’s game plan can be played with any x-factor.

    Yesterday’s game plan was so structured, any engineer’s dream…not a drop of creativity in sight, they stuck him on the bench and left him as the only player not to get onto the pitch.

    Damnit, we need someone to coach our coaches. We don’t have any decent coaches in SA. Most of them just try to structure everything to death, killing any innovation, converting our players into zombies. At this moment, our most creative coach is Plumtree, and he ain’t exactly Safrican.

    Maybe Lambie should be kept as far away from HM as possible, ’cause he’ll just try to convert him into another one of his kick-&-chase monkeys.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.08.12 09:06:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @MerckZ (Comment 2) : happy for craig. Deserves it. I’m with you on potgieter though. HM making the bok jersey cheaper than a point road hooker. How did jj engelbrecht deserve to be a springbok? FFS!

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.08.12 10:48:08 by jako Reply
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  • What is highly discouraging is the fact that almost our entire bench is filled with players who are like unknown bulls. they have only just begun starting this year. We have much better players than them, good to see the bulls prop gone ( i think he was kruger) to be replaced by better options. HM needs to move his focus from the blue of pretoria to the rest of the country.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.08.12 15:20:50 by Dunx Reply

  • I remember reading a match day mag in 2008 I think and a profile of burden was there ,his dream is “to represent the boks” so well done to him super stoked for the guy

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.08.12 17:53:09 by Poisy Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) :

    You should stop for a moment and ask yourself why, the Sharks with 8 Bok starters in their line-up could only manage 6th place on the SR log. If a Bok coach, with a Bulls bias, concludes that the Sharks has as much talent as the Stormers and Bulls combined, that the Sharks have so much depth that his next best player to call up is a Shark who rarely makes the SR team, then why was the semi in Cape Town and not in Durban? Why was it the Sharks that had to travel 3 times over the ocean while other teams camped at home?

    This is not a new thing either. The Sharks have had the most talent and depth of the SA teams for a while. Yet under Plumtree their highest distinction is to be the best team that has never won it.

    Plumtree the most creative coach. What a joke. 2012 will turn out to be his best season with the Sharks.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.08.12 23:46:03 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 19) : Amen.

    But his crap coaching and poor seasonal play is forgotten as soon as we manage to make the play-offs. I said it at the beginning of the season. We’d want to fire him during the season but once we scrape a play-off all would be forgiven. Sharks supporters are VERY apathetic and that apathy leads to easily forgetting the bad things as well. 🙁

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.08.12 04:01:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : I haven’t forgotten I still want him gone

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.08.12 07:13:12 by Poisy Reply
  • Very Happy for Burden. Maybe he will get a cap. That would be awesome for him.

    Sucks for Bissie though. 🙁

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.08.12 07:57:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 21) : Same here, but we are in a major minority. 🙁

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.08.12 08:01:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I hear Bismarck will be out for 8 months. That is a huge loss for the Sharks for next years S15.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.08.12 08:12:20 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : Well at least then Plumtree has an excuse handy for the early part of next season 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.08.12 08:26:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : On a serious note, that sucks BIG time, he has been in the best form of his life this season.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.08.12 08:29:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 19) : The “most creative coach” was preceded by “our” meaning South Africa’s most creative coach.

    So you’ve gone on a bunny trail and completely missed my point. Just get over the Plum bashing for a moment, and tell me which local SR coach you’d prefer the Sharks to have, because to my knowledge none of them offers anything that I’d like to see in the Sharks.

    My point to Rob was that we have a serious lack of positive coaches in SA, they can’t coach beyond structure, they do not know how to balance structure with creativity and get the desired result.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.08.12 08:42:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • We really suffered at the breakdown over the weekend, and adding Burden, who is not really known for getting stuck in at the rucks, will not do much to overcome this.
    That being said, it is unlikely that he will get a start anyway, and with all the injuries he is probably the next in line.
    This may raise a few eyebrows, but I think Callie Visagie has huge potential. He is not flashy, but carries well and does the hard work, that often goes unnoticed, better than most other hookers in SA.

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.08.12 08:45:50 by 13 Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : @Poisy (Comment 21) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 27) : I’m still of the opinion that we should get Nick Mallet as Super Rugby coach/Director of Rugby, with Plum acting as assistant coach/Currie Cup coach. The Teichmann fiasco is ancient history, and Mallet was the last Bok coach that displayed genuine innovation along with an appreciation of competence in the basics being non-negotiable.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.08.12 08:48:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 27) : and I agree with you on that point

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.08.12 08:51:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : where did you hear 8 months? I heard 8 weeks…

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.08.12 08:53:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : I heard something on the sport news on Highveld this morning – pretty sure the reporter said 8 months.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.08.12 08:54:53 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 32) : crap. I really hope that’s not true.

    We’ll be stuffed if he’s out for Super Rugby

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.08.12 09:01:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 29) : Mallet would do fine, but Plumtree is to proud to admit he needs specialists I don’t think he will be happy to be “demoted” to assistant coach.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.08.12 09:11:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : That was a hypothertical situation. Agreed that we won’t ever see it ever happening.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.08.12 09:25:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : doesn’t that say it all though,he has a fucking ego he is not the right person for the job

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.08.12 09:33:00 by Poisy Reply
  • @Poisy (Comment 36) : let’s relax on the language, ok? That’s pretty close to a personal attack on someone you don’t know, which is frowned upon here.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.08.12 09:37:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 19) : So to what do you ascribe the Sharks convincingly winning 2 away playoff games.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.08.12 10:46:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • so let me get it straight : they broke one of our hookers and now took the second 😈

    congrats to Burden 😛 I hope I am wrong but he is not likely to get the game time and the Sharks need him 😐

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.08.12 12:41:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • Another John Smit/Bismarck scenario looming @ Boks with Craig/Bismarck? Already happening at Sharks.Anyway you can’t have a more team oriented person than Craig Burden. He is a far quicker & stronger player than Liebenberg. Strauss is a hooker in the Uli Scmidt mould – if I don’t need to be in the scrum,you will find me on the wing! :mrgreen: We have talented wings so let them do their jobs! Craig,go for it with both hands. 😆

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.08.12 13:45:14 by markm Reply

  • Just wondering who will back up Monde if Kyle is still injured? Anyone know? ❓

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.08.12 13:47:07 by markm Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 38) :

    They were loaded with talent, their opponents were weakened by key injuries. The real point is that if they had a coach that could properly utilize the available talent, they wouldn’t have had to play those games on the road.

    Plumtree is a decent coach but you have to consider that the Sharks have an outstanding player in almost every position and a good number of very competent backups, yet the best Plumtree can do with that, is to be top in CC there abouts in SR. To hold him up as a standard for other coaches in SA is a little silly.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.08.12 16:32:31 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 42) : So which of the SR coaches in SA do you think will do a better job with the Sharks?

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.08.12 17:20:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 43) :

    Ludeke and Coetzee have both done better with less talent.

    Hell, I think if you give the players and the money at the Sharks to Naka Drotske, he’d have done better.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.08.12 17:46:10 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 44) : So you want to honestly tell me that you find the brand of rugby puked up by the Bulls and Streamers to be superior to that of the Sharks.

    ‘Cause that’s the whole point here, HM’s brand is working for the Boks currently but it is bland and un-imaginative, same for Coetzee and Ludeke.

    I’m talking about coaches able to marry structure and creativity to get results, not unlike the kiwis. They win by absolutely bamboozling the opposition with skill, structure, speed and power – the complete gameplan.

    Now I’m not beating the Plumtree drum here, I’m simply saying that our SR coaches are below par, with Plumtree being the least below par of them all.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.08.12 18:09:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 42) :
    For what it’s worth, I fully agree with you.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.08.12 18:13:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 38) : With the team we had we should never have had to travel for the play-offs in the first place though.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.08.12 18:35:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 44) : Both those statements are so true.

    Ludeke and Coetzee may have achieved about the same as Plumtree, but their pool of players has much less talent IMO.

    The Cheetahs are the one union that still plays exciting rugby, if Drotske had decent players he’d do much better.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.08.12 18:40:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : The problem with the tjietas is that they can do exciting, but they suck at structure.

    SA need coaches that can coach structure and combine it with creative open play. For me the Sharks had both attributes during the second half of the SR. So credit whomever or whatever you want for that, but we need coaches able to coach that into their players.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.08.12 21:48:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 45) :

    Being creative, is inventing a new and unique way of doing something, not just copying what others have been doing all along.

    The way the Stormers have been playing in the last few years have been new, unique and unprecedented for them and in Super Rugby.It takes a hell of a good imagination to embark on something new like that. If you had told people a few years ago that a team with the fewest tries and zero 4-try bonus points could finish top of the log by playing an all out defensive game, they would never have believed you. They were wrong, because they lacked the imagination required.

    The Bulls’ game-plan, while not exactly new, is also very unique.
    Turned out to more successful than most people could ever imagine.

    So when it comes to South African rugby, do you want us to be creative and imaginative in the way we play or do you want us to just copy New Zealand?

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.08.12 04:36:11 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 50) : As I said, I enjoyed the Sharks’ rugby in the second half of the SR – and that is what I want to see more of.

    I don’t want a carbon copy of any teams’ playing style (meaning overseas team), but surely in South Africa we can be creative and exciting at the same time.

    Is rugby not there to entertain, is that not why we watch it? Or do we simply enjoy it when we win at any cost?

    I would like a game plan that requires skill, the type of passing skill shown by both Lambie and Whitehead, creative running lines and smart footwork rather than just crash balling the whole time.

    (and I don’t mind the Alberts style crashballing, or the way Deysel did it for the Sharks on Saturday, but when that is all we expect from our backline players ie. Frans Steyn, then there is something lacking).

    We need to find the balance between structure and on field innovation, players able to think for themselves and able to make the right choice even if it means deviating from the structured plan.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.08.12 08:54:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 42) : 😯 Wow, thats a real slap in the face for a team that travelled up and down around the world and played brilliant rugby while doing it….”their opponents were weakened by key injuries”. Sorry Im not buying it. Yes they were loaded with talent but were on the back foot from an achievemnt point of view from the moment they made the playoffs and they came through brilliantly.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.08.12 10:49:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 44) : Half agree regarding Drotske. Dont bring Coetzee nor Ludeke near the Sharks thanks.
    As far as Im concerned we are now starting to play good, intelligent power rugby with the right players playing in the right positions.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.08.12 10:53:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) : Our season did not get off to good start with 2 narrow away losses to the Bulls and Stormers. We were still experimenting with JP at centre, Fred at scrummy and no Beast. We were in with a shout of winning both those games and were arguably the better team on the field in both games. The fact is that once Beast returned, Fred shifted from 9 and our centres pairing started getting settled the team started clicking with the exception of the Lions game in Johannesburg.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.08.12 11:01:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 50) : Well with all the innovation that the Stormers have shown they still have achieved squat, other than taking a potentially game winning backline and reducing them to a bunch of robots that sometimes manage to break the line with an iffy almost/sometimes forward pass. Thats it.
    Furthermore Im more than happy for the Bulls and Stormers to carry ion being as innovative as they have because it really seems that the Sharks have managed to unlock their uniqueness to such an extent that they beat them well and entertain while doing it.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.08.12 11:12:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 55) :

    My memory extends back more than 3 months, so let me refresh yours.

    In Plumtree’s time at the Sharks, they have finished no higher than 3rd place on the log. Coetzee with the Stormers have had two 2nd and one 1st place finish. Both have been been a losing finalist.

    The Sharks, have thus achieved less than the Stormers, who according to you have achieved squat. ❓

    The Bulls have achieved two championships.

    The Sharks have travelled 2 times around the world, but have squat to show for it. If Plumtree was an astute strategist, he would have figured that winning from 6th place was a lost cause and found a way to lose in Brisbane without anyone knowing that, that was the plan. Instead he played his team into the ground and achieved squat.

    He achieved job security for himself and that’s a pity for SA rugby.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.08.12 13:02:05 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 56) : Your exceptional memory, of which you are clearly proud, is letting you down, so let me refresh yours, Bulls have won 3 championships.

    As far as I’m concerned if you dont win the title you have won squat, the fact that the Stormers lost only 2 pool games and had a home semi but still got pumped, as they did the previous year, would be a far more worrying scenario for a Stormer supporter than the slaow start and barnstorming finish that the Sharks came with.

    And as for your suggestion that the Sharks should throw a game – unbelievable, and another slap in the face of anyone including players, management, coaches, sponsors, SUPPORTERS, etc with integrity.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.08.12 14:25:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) :

    Hey Sammy.

    I think fyndraai is referring to the Bulls’ two championship titles won during Plumtree’s tenure. 😉

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.08.12 14:49:35 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 58) : Maybe, but then he should have inserted it in the same paragraph, where he mentions “in Plums time..” :mrgreen:

    BTW, who would you rather have Plum or AC.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.08.12 14:59:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 59) :

    I’m happy with AC for a number of reasons.

    He took over in 2009 after we had finished 10th in the SR and since then we’ve finished in the top 2 on the log.

    I am a bit concerned about the lack of BMT during play offs but at least we’re getting there whereas in previous years we’ve missed out by a longshot! 🙂

    As for Plum, I don’t rate him much and his SR results are disappointing.

    His 2 x CC title wins has certainly saved his bacon! 😈

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.08.12 15:07:31 by wpw Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 59) : I’d rather have AC. That way I’d be able to recall finishing 1st and 2nd on the log rather than 6th and 9th.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.08.12 15:22:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Arent you a bit worried that the Sharks have thumped you in 3 of 4 meetings this year, twice at Newlands.

    Ha, ha as if he was going to be fired. Plum has a mission and that is to antagonise Bryce and KSA and Fyndraai and Poisy and 9 or 13 others whom I dont know.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.08.12 15:26:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) :

    And it tells… Surely his mission should be coaching the Sharks instead of antagonising (sp?) random bloggers!! :mrgreen: 😆

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.08.12 15:32:52 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 60) : It’s not easy to keep momentum going when you have to keep changing your team every week and being forced to play a hooker at 8. I think if you look at what the Stormers had to overcome they did bloody well. Just think how much better they could be if they had a full strength team playing together for more than a few weeks.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.08.12 15:34:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 64) :

    Yeah that’s true.

    But can you imagine how much better they would be if they had a backline coach?? 😉

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.08.12 15:37:32 by wpw Reply
  • Ill take Plum, that way I can recall 2 CC titles, a CC final, an amazing come from behind 2012 season as well as comprehensively taking the Stormers, Bulls, and others apart in the latter part of the season. I also treasure the memory of knowing what it feels like to have my team score 4 tries in a game.

    AC is good but I would seriously be annoyed if he coached my team.

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.08.12 15:42:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : And I thought AC was first and foremost a backline coach.

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.08.12 15:45:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : They do have a backline coach – Jacques Nienaber 😈

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.08.12 15:52:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 63) : 😆
    @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : Who is Bryce?

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.08.12 16:51:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : 😆 I think his antagonists keep him focused.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.08.12 17:00:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 69) : Bryce in Oz, used to post here and still does on Ruggaworld and Keo. He dislikes Plum with a passion, I think its personal.

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.08.12 17:02:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 58) :

    Spot on. Thanks.
    Part of my purpose here is to improve my communication skills.

    Perhaps it should have read:
    In Plumtree’s time, the Bulls have achieved two championships.

    Or is “the Bulls” singular?
    In Plumtree’s time, the Bulls has achieved two championships.

    Perhaps it should have been past tense. Shit.
    In Plumtree’s time the Bulls had achieved two championships.

    It’s fun repeating it though. Please help and I’ll shut up for the rest of the day.

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.08.12 17:02:35 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : The Sharks need one of those too 😉

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.08.12 17:49:15 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : Ah okay, thanks. I don’t like being put in the same bag as him. I’ll have to give Plum a break. 😉

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.08.12 18:38:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 74) : 😀 You’r getting soft.

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.08.12 08:31:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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