Bok call-ups for Botha, Mapoe

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 2 Oct 2012 at 08:29
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Injuries have curtailed the involvement of centre Frans Steyn and loose forward Jacques Potgieter in this weekend’s Rugby Championship test match against the All Blacks in Soweto. As reported yesterday, Steyn’s injured ankle will require surgery and he’ll be out for three months, while Potgieter picked up an abdominal injury playing for the Bulls in the Currie Cup and is also out of contention.

Heyneke Meyer has once again baffled with his selection approach in replacing the players, opting for Currie Cup form in the case of Lions centre Lionel Mapoe, summoned to replace Steyn in the squad. There has been no such nod to form in finding a replacement for Potgieter, though, with Keegan Daniel again overlooked, despite standing out head and shoulders above any other loose forward in the Currie Cup since being cut from the squad a month back.

Meyer has instead opted to push the “default button” and included an untested Blue Bull, in the form of Arno Botha. Making the decision even more galling is the fact that Daniel completely overshadowed Botha in a direct contest when the Sharks beat the Blue Bulls in Durban on Friday night.

Meyer has defended the inclusion of Botha by pointing to his selection for the Bok “young guns” squad earlier in the season; thus he maintains this selection is about continuity, rather than form. Why then was JJ Engelbrecht not afforded the same opportunity and called up ahead of Mapoe? It’s not as though he did any more wrong in his scant Test opportunity against Argentina than Daniel did…

I wonder if the persistent rumours linking Mapoe to a Bulls move next season have anything to do with his selection…


  • mad meyer is on a roll again

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.10.12 08:32:06 by jovner Reply
  • Sheesh. He’ll probably start Mapoe in FB if Zane is injured. And to be honest, I’d rather keep Daniel for the weekends game, Botha can go carry bags.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.10.12 08:36:43 by PTAShark Reply
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  • So WP, Griquas and Sharks to win this weekend 😈

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.10.12 08:46:01 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 2) : I swear if he does that and Lambie doesn’t get his chance despite nik naks injury I will go out the same day the team is announced and buy myself a black jersey with a Silver fern which I will wear hence forth until I see the back of HM!!!!!!!

    As to Keegan, my heart breaks for the player but as a Sharks supporter I am on my knees thanking The Good Lord that Keegan is left to make his valued contributions to the Sharks’ cause, instead of carrying takle bags for the Broederbond πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.10.12 08:48:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Ive been told by Bulls supourters that Arno Botha is better than Josh Strauss .

    So his selection has been warranted on those grounds .. great stuff …

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.10.12 08:50:00 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) :

    What ? you still support the Boks … ? shammme ….

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.10.12 08:52:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Arno Botha over Deysel and Daniel…unbelievable. Its disgusting ,he cant even hold a starting position in the currie cup yet he is called up ahead of two experienced players.

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.10.12 08:53:08 by Talent Reply
  • @Zibbie : Incredible!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.10.12 08:57:41 by Argex Reply

  • @Zibbie : It’s absolute insanity to let players like Strauss, Stander, WP Nel etc play for overseas teams while you throw away Bok caps to “lesser” players like it is fashion!

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.10.12 08:58:16 by Argex Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 5) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.10.12 08:58:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 6) : yeah but only just πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.10.12 09:00:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 7) :

    Deysel has not been great lately and,sadly,doesn’t deserve a Bok call up.

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.10.12 09:00:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : I agree πŸ™

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.10.12 09:03:46 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : The last two games he has been off the boil ,otherwise this Currie Cup he hasnt been bad at all! Some games he has dominated ! And please explain what Arno Botha has done to deserve a call up?

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.10.12 09:09:57 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 14) : Who else? What other blindside flanker deserves a call-up?

    Holmes? NO
    Labuschagne? NO
    Deysel? NO
    Wilkins? NO

    The only option might be Jaco Kriel, but he is not Bok material. I would have loved to see CJ Stander get a call-up.

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.10.12 09:11:59 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 14) : it starts when you pull that light blue jersey over your head… come now πŸ™‚

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.10.12 09:15:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dumb cnuts! πŸ‘Ώ

    The idiocy of Springbok selection policy continues to amaze.

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.10.12 09:16:27 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @TRF_Ezequiel (Comment 15) : And Arno Botha does?

    Cj Stander-Yes ,Jean Deysel-Yes and Keegan Daniel-Yes .
    But he chooses Arno Botha

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.10.12 09:17:54 by Talent Reply
  • I’m fuming .This proves ,with out doubt, Meyer is a dumbass.

    Im going to log out and disable my keyboard before Hendrikp hops merely along and grates my carrot with his matter of fact opinions about unproven junior players or Megachop trys to call me bias…


  • Comment 19, posted at 02.10.12 09:23:48 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 18) : Marnus Schoeman?

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.10.12 09:25:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : The guys class ,but will never fit in Meyers plans unfortunately. He has already been snubbed by the Bulls…

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.10.12 09:27:18 by Talent Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :Player of the week – Arno Botha
    23 August 2011

    He is not 20 years old yet, but Vodacom Blue Bulls flanker, Arno Botha, showed why he was drafted into a starting position in the Currie Cup competition already. For the young tearaway it is clearly a case of – if he is good enough, he is old enough.
    Botha made his first run-on start a week after debutting off the bench against the Pumas and immediately showed against Griquas why he is rated amongst the top young players in the country.

    He ran strongly, defended stoutly and showed why his physical
    approach to the game impressed Director: Rugby, Heyneke Meyer,
    who already indicated a while ago that the 19-year old player might be playing Currie Cup this year.
    β€œWe will be looking at blooding young players this year and Arno will be one of those players we will be looking at. He is big and strong and works hard, all attributes we are looking for,” Meyer said.

    Project maak die bulle almal bokke in place.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.10.12 09:28:33 by Megatron Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 19) : namecalling? πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.10.12 09:29:58 by Megatron Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 18) :

    I rate CJ Stander higher but he did himself no favours by going overseas next year. He only has himself to blame….just like Kanko.

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.10.12 09:31:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 23) : πŸ˜† deal with it

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.10.12 09:36:44 by Talent Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 24) : Agreed

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.10.12 09:37:39 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 25) : πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.10.12 09:40:06 by Megatron Reply

  • To me this is Meyers little present to himself, his remedy for selecting Jantjies and JDJ . The man is probably experiencing some cognitive dissonance πŸ™„

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.10.12 09:41:25 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 28) :

    Why not call up JJ Engelbrecht then? πŸ˜•

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.10.12 09:44:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 28) : He’s like a hoarder ,hell get rid of the junk, but as soon as no ones watching hell sneak some back in πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    Old enough is good enough in some cases-but it is an overused cliche in this country -much like horses for courses -nothing annoys me more…

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.10.12 09:45:14 by Talent Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 24) : Strange how that didn’t hamper Louw’s chance of playing in the green and gold.

    HM has some kind of beef with Stander….definitely personal.

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.10.12 09:46:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 30) : πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.10.12 09:59:30 by Megatron Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 19) :


  • Comment 33, posted at 02.10.12 10:05:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I think Botha is a good player based on the few games he played this CC.

    Stander may be better, but the coach might be considering the fact that he is leaving.

    Other players who could have been considered.

    Jaco Kriel and Wesley Wilkins. Both blindside flankers.

    Marnus Schoeman would also have been a good bet to cover for Louw, as he is the only other player who plays strongly as a fetcher. Heinrich brussouw is injured and hasn’t been as strong in this particular area of his game as before.

    Keegan Daniel plays 8, but if there was really issues at 7, Alberts Marcel and Duane and really flouw can all play 7, so Daniel might as well have been called back up.

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.10.12 10:06:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • The main reason this selection makes sense for me is, if you’re going to select a player to carry tackle bags (because lets face it that’s what the 5th loosie in the squad will do), then it whould be a young player who can grow from the experience.

    Calling Keegan up now when his provincial team needs him right now, would have been mindless.

    Whether this was Meyer’s thought process or not is a whole different story.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.10.12 10:08:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : I think Deysel has been off the boil a bit. It is prob due to the bad ball he is getting at a stand still, a player like him requires running onto a ball that is when he is great.

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.10.12 10:23:44 by Dunx Reply

  • Well done Arno Botha, knew when I 1st saw the lad as a junior with Bulls u19s in 2010 and Baby Boks last year that a special player had been brought into the game

    Very simple,Keegan not a blinside, Arno a blindside/8thman

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.10.12 10:32:09 by Ludz Reply

  • @Dunx (Comment 36) :

    Who’s fault is it though? Other players run onto the ball(Keegan) but Deysel always seem to get the ball standing still and often gets tackled back.

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.10.12 10:57:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 37) : Thats very convential thinking. There is absolutely no reason why Daniel cant play blindside. Change the way you think and you will change the game…ask the All Blacks! Not having a go at you by any means…and I do think Arno Botha has the potential to be good…but dont cheapen the Bok jersey and give it to him now.

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.10.12 12:20:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : If im not mistaken Deysel has had a few leg injuries and it seems to have impeded his mobility. He has a very strong upper body but is nowhere near as mobile as he was when he earned a Bok call up. Perhaps he needs to drop a few kg or move to lock

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.10.12 12:23:13 by SheldonK Reply

  • nahhh… can’t you see guys – HM is a closet Sharks supporter, he only called Mapoe so that the Lions loose against Griquas and Sharks regain the top of the log position. Look at the bright side :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.10.12 12:32:07 by rekinek Reply
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  • All three of our flankers play a game where they are more prone to injury than others -two of them play to the ball and ball carry.
    The likelihood of them getting injured in practice is higher than one would think, and considering the way we play we cant practice to differently. Say Duane and Flouw get injured ,who would you feel more comfortable running out to face the All Black and play against Mcaw? surely not a 19 year old rookie.

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.10.12 12:42:44 by Talent Reply
  • I see the same potential in Arno Botha… He is a great prospect and although he does not compete with Keegan for a place in the bok team… It’s pure sacrilege that Keegan is not in the bok set-up!! The man is in the purplest of purple patches and not to be in the 30man group… Is insane! Don’t get me wrong, I don’t particularly like Keegan but he is playing awesome ruggas at the moment… (And I’m sure he doesn’t like me particularly much either…hehe)! There are so many players that play the game at the wrong time and Keegan, Ludick, Josh, Gio, Joe Pietersen, Alwyn Hollenbach, Willie Le Roux and more will never be recognized for how good they really are? Unfortunately!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.10.12 23:55:29 by blesbeer Reply

  • @blesbeer (Comment 43) : actually, Keegan only has nice things to say about you! πŸ™‚

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.10.12 06:11:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • HM se blou onderrok hang by sy broekspype uit!!!!!

    I wanted this guy to be bok coach, but instead he is being a d!ck

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.10.12 07:48:48 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 41) : But I will go with you on this one…. Lions to Lose… Sharks top….

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.10.12 07:50:18 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : You planning on doing an article on the Lions player movements being officially announced/confirmed today by the Lions union?

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.10.12 08:00:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 41) : Would Mapoe`s exclusion be enough to give the Kwasse a chance though?

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.10.12 08:06:27 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 47) : I’ve confirmed the ones that I know are confirmed.

    We’ll get the rest of it up after the 11am press conference. Far too much speculation as it is.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.10.12 08:33:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • remember he also called for Jantjies (he probably thought it would be sufficient but that was huge underestimation of Stormers ability to loose πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ˜†

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.10.12 15:59:23 by rekinek Reply
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