Plum fuming at Bok bizarreness

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Springboks on 8 Oct 2012 at 09:56
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You could probably make a case against John Plumtree for being a hard man to please.

Despite his team recording a decent victory in Bloemfontein to take pole position in the race for the Currie Cup final, with only a game against Griquas still to play, the Sharks coach is clearly still fuming about the way a few of his players have been treated by Heyneke Meyer and the Bok management, and spoke out to this effect after the game.

According to an article in Beeld, Plumtree has again spoken out at the way players like hooker Craig Burden and wing Lwazi Mvovo have been withdrawn from the Currie Cup, for months on end, only to carry tackle bags with the Bok side and see no international game time whatsoever. β€œThat’s the stupid thing about keeping 30 players in the Bok camp during a test week,” Plumtree told the Afrikaans daily. β€œIt makes no sense and will have to change, because keeping eight players out of Currie Cup rugby doesn’t work . There’s no logical reason for that and it wasn’t done that way in the past.

β€œLwazi Mvovo and Craig Burden have been done a disservice and what’s more, we’re now heading into a crucial phase of the Currie Cup.”

Plumtree’s major beef, it seems, is the conundrum he now faces in which he needs to decide whether (and how) to reintegrate his Bok players into a team that is already playing well. In the past, adding Boks to a winning Currie Cup team en masse has often done more harm than good, especially if this happens so late in the campaign. You have to concede that in the case of Burden and Mvovo, though, their release certainly has come a week later than it really needed to.


  • fully agree with you Plum. Just make sure Saint Patrick plays at flyhalf from now on. Surely then the boks will have no reason to keep playing little boys and has beens at 10.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.10.12 10:01:22 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Said it last week, Plum is becoming more outspoken, in my view rightly so as no one else is willing to say or do anything about pisspoor decissions – refs, TMO’s et al.

    Fridays Bulls / WP game was another case in point where a TMO ref got it badly wrong.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.10.12 10:03:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 2) : Missed the game. What happened?

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.10.12 10:09:48 by ChrisS Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 2) : I watched the game … which decision was that. I can’t remember. I have gotten so used to these guys making horrible decisions.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.10.12 10:10:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • You go Plum! I agree 100% – Heyneke sit die pot HEEL mis…

    I understand it is early stages – but heyneke krap lelik aan my gat…and he does not seem to care either..

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.10.12 10:10:15 by Ice Reply
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  • So Rob, just to be clear here, after initially being lead to believe that none of the players involved in the Rugby Championship for the Boks will be released to play in the final rounds of Currie Cup, now all of them will be released?

    Because I haven’t seen anything official released, everyone is just suddenly (since last week) talking as if it is common knowledge. What did I miss?

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.10.12 10:16:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 3) : @ChrisS (Comment 3) : LETGO.
    First half, Basson scored in the corner after a good line movement and some good work on his part. There was some concern that he was out, Kaplan refered to TMO (Fortuin) and it was clear that the try was good, Fortuin confirmed, Kaplan then asks if there was a forward pass earlier in the movement, Fortuin looks once and asks something in the line of “are you asking about the pass from the centre to the wing”, Kaplan “yes”, Fortuin “it was forward, no try. Fortuin wasnt even sure which pass Kaplan was refering to, then didnt bother to go back and look at the pass from different angles but just said off the bat it was forward. Replays (which the TMO could have asked for ) showed that the pass was good and the Bulls anD Basson were robbed of a damn fine try. Plum would have had a field day, the Bulls coach bit his tongue and was as meek as a pink bull at Newlands.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.10.12 10:21:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 1) : Agreed. It’s something that really confuses me with Springbok rugby. It’s better to have a bunch of quality flyhalves challenging each other for that green and gold jersey with a 10 on the back, but instead, coach after coach insists on trying to shoehorn all those players into the squad in different positions (when there are other players, better suited to those positions available) whilst keeping one flyhalf-elect (in the past, Morne Steyn) who nobody can displace.

    They need to realise that having Pat Lambie, Johan Goosen, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant, Morne Steyn all competing for that 10 jersey is better than, for instance, forcing Pat to play 15 (when there’s Louis Ludik available), Grant to play 12, etc…

    Competition is the best route to improvement, we mustn’t limit our pool of competing 10s again, like we always seem to do.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.10.12 10:24:45 by MerckZ Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : Yeah, I thought that was the case as well, and when the talk of using returning Boks started I just assumed that I had got it wrong. Good to know Im not going nuts – unless we both are.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.10.12 10:27:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : they’ve never made a clear statement on it…. it just sort of came out via the grapevine

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.10.12 10:36:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Playing devil’s advocate here: this could simply be a sneaky way for Heyneke to rest some of his players for the end of year tour. He can’t release some and not others so he keeps all of them.

    To be honest I don’t have much of a gripe with Meyer on this particular point. The Currie Cup has been plenty entertaining and the Sharks have played well without some of these Boks. It’s also ‘deepens’ our experience pool for next year’s Super Rugby which isn’t a bad thing.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.10.12 10:43:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 9) : That would make three of us.

    SARU is so deurmekaar soos kots in ‘n tumble dryer πŸ™„

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.10.12 10:49:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • I think that, if the Springbok players are to play a part for the Sharks, they need to do it from the bench.

    No use disrupting the core team at this late a stage.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.10.12 10:52:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • the boks first try on Saturday was miles forward. 😳

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.10.12 11:44:20 by pete69 Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 7) : I have to say I knew exactly which pass he was referring to. Centre to Fullback. JJ to Jurgen Visser. That pass imo was indeed forward. Visser is in line with JJ even before he passes. There is no way that pass could have been backward. And you could also clearly see it going forward from JJ’s hands.

    I thought they made a good call. And I liked the fact that Lawrence checked the big screen, saw that the TMO wasn’t looking at the pass and then pointed out which pass he was referring to.

    I think in this instance the officials got it right.

    Btw Vissers pass to Basson was fine, and Basson (although he got very close) did not go into touch.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.10.12 12:06:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • Got to agree with Plum! Its not use having players in the 30man squad that last played over a month ago and rent match fit. How are those guys meant to have any impact at International level.
    As for TMO…eish! Thats all I can say.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.10.12 12:28:07 by SheldonK Reply

  • Even though the clown has gone it is still a circus.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.10.12 13:38:01 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 15) :
    😯 You are the only I know or who have commented on it (Province supporters included) that think it was forward. From the angle from which Fortuin made the call it could maybe just have been seen as forward but if the TMO had bothered to look at it from the other angles then it can be clearly seen the ball travelled backwards, the passers hands moved in a backward motion and the receiver, who you say was ahead of the passer, received the ball behind him.
    We obviously saw this from different angles but there is no way that I saw that as even a marginal forward pass.

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.10.12 14:07:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 18) : Not the pass to Basson though. The pass before that never felt backward to me. I called it as it was made?

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.10.12 14:42:17 by Letgo Reply
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    wink-wink nudge-nudge

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.10.12 15:04:35 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 20) : ah crap… I knew I’d forgotten something. Thanks

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.10.12 15:15:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 5) : 😈 It is clear that the game manager (HM) is struggling to be a coach. Like PdV he want’s the players to make him look good and he will keep a good B team available for practise it seems. This is selfish towards potential talent. 😈 Hy piepie my ook goed af met die stront! 😈 Skattelogiese ekke!

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.10.12 17:19:59 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) : 😈 I HATE most of Fortuin’s calls but I agreed with the foward call of Saturday. About 2m foward. Kaplan was sharp there! 😈

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.10.12 17:22:42 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Plum has a very good point but its probably gone over Meyer’s head… πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.10.12 19:55:15 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • Think bulls coach asked meyer to keep the boks because he does not want steyn back in his team.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.10.12 22:01:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 25) : Steyn is bad, but never could he be as bad as Fouche..that oke is a poor excuse of a flyhalf

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.10.12 23:45:13 by Ludz Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 15) : @KILLER SHARK (Comment 22) : Are we talking about the call that ended with Basson crossing the line for the try that was not given because of the “forward pass” Fortuin looked at that from one angle only and gave a call. Straight after that they showed the movement from another angle and it was clear that the ball went backwards, the passers hands were in a backwards motion. The commentators still mad a spiel about it and the Bulls coach was asked about it at half time.
    The highlights package conveniently does not show this.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.10.12 08:48:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 26) : That Fouche was on song in one game this year and that happened to be against the Sharks at Loftus, kicked like a demon that day and we ended up losing even though we outscored them with tries and didnt miss any of our kicks.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.10.12 08:51:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 25) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.10.12 15:39:22 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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