Richard Ferguson

Butch coming back?

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 29 Oct 2012 at 08:30
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Butch James, who reportedly retired after the Lions’ Currie Cup semi-final loss last week, has made an about turn and seems set on joining the Sharks for the 2013 Super Rugby season.

James told the Sunday Times newspaper that the deal was about 90% sure, but that no deal has been signed as yet. James was quoted as saying that he would like to join the Sharks, where he made his name, as backup flyhalf to Patrick Lambie.

James said that he enjoyed playing at flyhalf during the Lions’ Currie Cup campaign, and would like to carry on and not regret retiring too soon.

More on this as we get confirmation.


  • I like it! He has loads of experience to pass down to the younger guys and he’s quality backup. I just hope they give Hauptfleish and Zeilinga a try sometime next year.

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.10.12 08:33:37 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Thanks Butch for your time at the Lions …this would be a good move by the Sharks, its gonna be one helluva squad for SR next year.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.10.12 08:45:36 by csb Reply

  • @csb (Comment 2) :

    It will be a good move, in my opinion.

    My big worry is that the Lions are lining up all these games next year, which players are they planning on playing?

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.10.12 08:55:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • And you guys thought I was kidding a few weeks ago?

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.10.12 08:58:53 by Amateur Reply

  • Just another Bok to push our team up to 13 springboks who will lose in the final of next year’s Super Rugby… 🙄

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.10.12 09:01:43 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) :

    I know ..which players indeed.

    Suppose all will be revealed next year ..a lot of the youngsters should bet to start.

    My only concern though is the promo / relegation game ..

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.10.12 09:07:14 by csb Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 5) : Never!! We will WIN!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.10.12 09:07:39 by Caratacus Reply

  • @csb (Comment 6) :

    You are going to have a young team, I am sure..

    The disruption of getting all your loan players back might cause more harm than good..

    It will be interesting to see when the promo/relegation match is scheduled – in other words, how long will the Lions players be allowed to train together before the match?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.10.12 09:09:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • and we get another old cart horse. 😳

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.10.12 09:13:52 by pete69 Reply

  • What are we going to do with him? I love Butchie, but really…

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.10.12 09:20:38 by klempie Reply

  • Ill take and welcome Butch back as long as he is still playing good rugby, particularly for the SuperRugby season.
    I would really like to see Zellinga (and Hauptfleisch to a lesser extent) start getting some senior game time, but this can wait for the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.10.12 09:23:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 10) : I agree. We have Lambie and Bosman for 10, Steyn, Whitehead, Jordaan for centres. I don’t see where Butch is going to fit into the team

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.10.12 09:24:16 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Right next to Marius Joubert 😈

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.10.12 09:36:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 13) : I would rather they spend those 2 salaries on a lineout consultant and a mental coach, but that is just me

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.10.12 09:47:55 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) :
    Potential Lions side for Vodacom Cup and other matches based on known contracted players and ignoring rumours:

    15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Ruan Combrink, 13 Dylan Des Fountain, 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 Anthony Volminck, 10 Marnitz Boshoff, 9 Michael Bondesio, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Jaco Kriel, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Ruan Venter, 4 Hendrik Roodt, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Francois du Toit, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg

    16 Mark Pretorius, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Willie Britz, 19 Warwick Tecklenberg, 20 Ross Cronje, 21 Marais Schmidt, 22 Deon Helberg

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.10.12 10:53:05 by Baylion Reply

  • @csb (Comment 2) : I know he has the heart and passion but can his knees take another season?

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.10.12 11:11:43 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : I’m not so sure I would like Bosman at 10 in SuperRugby, definitely more of a centre. Think Butch will be great backup.

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.10.12 12:26:29 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Baylion (Comment 15) :

    That team really should win the Vodacom Cup!

    Not so sure about Boshoff the flyhalf, is he any good?

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.10.12 12:36:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : Not sure how good he is. Ex-Bull who didn’t fit in, then played behind Brummer at Griquas. Alternatives will be Guy Cronje, who had a good year with UJ, and Marais Schmidt (2012 u/20 Bok) and of course Andries Coetzee

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.10.12 12:43:02 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 19) :

    Why do they not keep Butch James then for the first few months?

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.10.12 12:49:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : Money? He cost us a fortune. Anyway, it seems he wants to go back to Durbs.

    A recent article in Beeld suggested that the GLRU will lose about 30-40% of their income now they’re out of Super Rugby as sponsors renegotiate terms as well as losses in gate monies, season tickets and suite holders fees. Coke’s sponsorship of Ellis Park is apparently also up for renewal at the end of the year.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.10.12 12:54:23 by Baylion Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 13) : You mean right in front of him 😛

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.10.12 12:59:52 by Uli Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 21) :

    That is interesting..

    Do you think the extra games they will be playing against all those European club teams and the other International teams will bring in some of the income lost?

    And if they do play against all those teams, when exactly will it happen? Does Vodacom Cup not run from Feb to about May? That leaves very little time to play all those teams before end August?

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.10.12 13:12:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) :

    The priority of those games is to keep players match fit and ready for the wooden spoon knockouts and apparently they start in January already and are planned through the SR season. Vodacom Cup is not a priority and I think the Lions will play a 2nd (3rd?) string if necessary.

    However, for these games to come off they need sponsors and to get sponsors they need tv exposure. The talk is that these games will cost R2m – R3m each to put on.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.10.12 13:23:20 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 24) :

    That’s quite a bit of money!

    All the best to your team to pull it off, looking forward to seeing them back in Super Rugby 2014..

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.10.12 13:42:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Not sure if I like this yet.
    Yes Butch used to be one of my favourite Sharks but with Lambie and Steyn already entrenched what will Butch do exactly . . . coach?

    Surely 12 is wrapped up as well with Whitehead, Bosman even Steyn if we start Lambie at 10?

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.10.12 06:08:44 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • On a different note:
    Will Jacques Botes play for us next year?

    I think you`ll all agree with me after this final that we need to start looking for a fetcher if Botes is on his way.
    Either bring Kleinhans through the ranks early or start talking to Minnie / Schoeman now.

    And please don`t try and tell me Marcel and Keegan will be good enough, I shudder to think what our possession stats would`ve looked like if Catrikilis didn`t kick almost everything straight back to us . . . 🙄

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.10.12 06:14:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : I don’t believe 3 centers will be enough to get us through a SR season.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.10.12 06:28:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) : Bosman covers centre too, JP if we in a bind

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.10.12 07:47:39 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Original Pierre (Comment 27) : Kleinhans is my pick of the bunch….that boy is a monster in the ruck.

    Ja, neither Keegan nor Coetsee inspires much confidence when it comes to fetching.

    But what we gonna do with Keegan, Kanko, Coetsee, Alberts, Deysel and Kleinhans?! Personally I think Kleinhans has to be our 6 from next year on.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.10.12 08:06:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : So IF we lose a center and Bosman covers then Lambies plays 80min week in and week out because he has no cover?

    having players cover multiple spots over a weekend is okay even okay over a 3-4week tour but not for a whole season.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.10.12 08:09:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : We have 3 frontline centres – Steyn (12), Whitehead (12 / 13) and Jordaan (13). Bosman that covers 10 and 12, and JPP that can cover 13 if needed. I assume Marius Joubert is still around too.

    This season we managed with:

    McLeod (9)
    Michalak (9 / 10)
    Lambie (10 / 15)
    Whitehead (12 / 13)
    Bosman (12 / 10)
    Jordaan (13)
    JPP (wing / 13)
    Mvovo (wing)
    Ludik (wing / fullback)
    Riaan Viljoen (fullback)
    Ndugane (wing)

    Hoffman, Joubert, Sithole and Reinach were in the squad but only Joubert toured on the overseas leg if I recall correctly.

    Steyn only joined towards the end.

    Now we gained Steyn permanently and I assume Marius Joubert can still be called on.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.10.12 08:29:13 by Bokhoring Reply
  • I am personally more concerned with the situation at hooker and prop, and the lack of a true openside flank.

    We have Burden, Cooper and Hadebe at hooker = none of them inspires confidence at the lineout and Cooper (whom I rate most for his work rate and effect with ball in hand) seems to struggle a bit in the scrums too. I really hope that Burden who should now get an extended run can sort out his lineout issues next year

    Herbst and Chadwick still has some way to go to fill Jannie and Beast’s boots.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.10.12 08:38:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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