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Taute set for midfield role


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 7 Nov 2012 at 08:00
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After reporting yesterday that Pat Lambie and Juan de Jongh are likely starters in the Ireland match this weekend, the team ran differently yesterday with reports now surfacing that Jaco Taute will be wearing the 13 jersey.

Die Burger reports that Taute, who played in midfield for the final Rugby Championship test against the All Blacks, will likely get another shot at making the jersey his own. This will come as a surprise to many especially after the great display from centre Juan de Jongh in the ABSA Currie Cup final against the Sharks, where his try was the difference on the scoreboard.

Taute’s inclusion in midfield and Lambie’s likely start at flyhalf leaves only one other recognised fullback in the squad and logically it could only mean that Zane Kirchner will be donning the 15 jersey.

After reporting yesterday that Francois Louw looked doubtful to start against the Irish, he has now been passed fit to start the match, with Marcell Coetzee’s chance of starting the match taking a blow. Coetzee is likely to be on the bench, from where he is sure to make an impact in the match.

Likely Springbok starting team:

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Patrick Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.


40 Comments

  • I’m looking forward to this game.

    I feel for JdJ though. He deserves to start ahead of a ‘stop gap’ 13 in Taute.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.11.12 08:09:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) :

    Agreed..

    I wonder how Taute would have done against someone like Brian O’Driscoll?

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.11.12 08:10:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • It’s not that I don’t think Taute is an excellent player, but even Heyneke admitted that he would play him at 15 in the future. Juan de Jongh is an excellent player and not playing him now would be a mistake.

    If Taute is not the answer at 13, then that means heyneke has only one plan – Jean de Villiers (not a 13) and waiting for Jaque Fourie. To me, when we have a talented 13 right there, that just doesn’t make sense.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.11.12 08:17:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • Let’s hope Taute is less of a coward on defense than he was against the ab’s.

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.11.12 08:37:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 4) : Another good point.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.11.12 09:09:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • De Jongh’s defense.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.11.12 09:09:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • De Jongh’s defence was excellent in the CC final.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.11.12 09:10:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • De Jongh does 2 (maybe 3) fantastic breaks per season and not much else. I’m not convinced he is a long term solution.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.11.12 09:27:17 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 8) : You don’t measure a players quality simply by the amount of breaks he makes. Why don’t you go and count Dan Carters breaks…

    Or even in direct comparison to Conrad Smith. Clean breaks is not something that happens that often in rugby these days. But de Jongh is a quality centre who can also manage 2 or 3 fantastic breaks, as you pointed out.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.11.12 09:34:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : Absolutely sure that O’Driscoll would have murdered him!

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.11.12 09:38:07 by neilster Reply

     
  • This is a very backward step IMHO and once again shows that Meyer is NOT learning from his mistakes.

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.11.12 09:39:51 by neilster Reply

     
  • @MysticShark (Comment 8) : So being part of a centre partnership – that would be reunited – that let in the least tries in the Super 15 doens’t count for something, remembering that it was a defense-minded game plan?

    And what exactly has Taute done at 13 this season by comparison? He was found wanting on defense big time vs the All Blacks, Ireland are also a clever attacking side…

    Its just such a missed opportunity, and its not only 13 as since Taute should be starting ahead of Kirchner its a double-blow.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.11.12 09:45:22 by neilster Reply

     
  • @neilster (Comment 10) :

    Would have broken a young talent..

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.11.12 09:53:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : It may still happen, thats a very difficult channel to defend and I’m not sure much would have changed in his understanding of it since the All Blacks…

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.11.12 09:55:09 by neilster Reply

     
  • Perfect backline for Sat: 15. Taute 14. JP 13. DeJongh 12. Devilliers 11. Hougaard 10. Lambie 9. Pienaar

    Just wonder if Hougaard would not be a better choice at 9 with the new law?

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.11.12 10:31:35 by Amateur Reply

     
  • @Letgo (Comment 7) : de jongh’s defence is the last of his worries…on attack he has things to improve, that’s why a SKILLS coach is necessary to polish some of these kinks in our players…

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.11.12 10:33:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 9) : You may have misunderstood my comment – I’m referring to all the hype around De Jongh based on that one break in the CC final. What I’m saying is that a few good breaks does NOT make him a great centre, which is exactly what you are saying. I also agree he is a quality centre, but for me not quite good enough to be a long term solution for the Bokke.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.11.12 10:49:42 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 12) : Err, I did not mention Taute at all so I’m not quite sure what you are on about. All I’m saying is that a few good breaks a season does not make a great centre (referring to JDJ, not Taute).

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.11.12 10:54:03 by MysticShark Reply
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  • I dont know what more de Jongh has to do…

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.11.12 10:57:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 17) :

    He’s surely a better long-term solution than Taute though? The only one better than JdJ is playing in Japan.

    As for him not quite good enough – in my eyes he’s a lot more valuable than JdV!

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.11.12 10:59:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 20) :

    PREACH!! 😎

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.11.12 11:09:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 20) :
    >> He’s surely a better long-term solution than Taute though?
    I don’t know – would like to see more of Taute in the Bok setup

    >> The only one better than JdJ is playing in Japan.
    Yup, Fourie would be my 1st choice as well

    >> As for him not quite good enough – in my eyes he’s a lot more valuable than JdV!
    Probably, JdV seems to be past his sell-by date, but then again that’s what I thought about Habana a year or so ago.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.11.12 11:13:11 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 18) : I thought we we’re comparing De Jongh and Taute as starting 13 for Saturday’s test match…this article is entitled ‘Taute set for midfield role’ after all?
    I think he deserves his selection without taking the CC final into account, thats just my opinion though. Having said that, and this is my final point, he did alot more than just break the line in the final, he made some big defensive plays. The one just before the try he scored that gave WP the scrum followed by the try, was two key plays in a matter of minutes.
    But he is not world class no, there are no outside centres in SA that are at the moment.

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.11.12 11:15:13 by neilster Reply

     
  • @neilster (Comment 12) : “And what exactly has Taute done at 13 this season by comparison?”

    nothing at all!

    Taute himself said he is a Fullback and ONLY played centre because of an injury crisis at the Lions…he has not proved himself at ALL in that position but he gets BOK starts, how ffs?

    HM on Juan de Jongh:

    “He has improved tremedously. However, without being disparaging, you have to look at who he played against in the currie cup. We have, in the past, made the mistake of calling up players based purely on currie cup form and they disappear – never to be heard from again”.

    “Juan has already proved himself at superrugby level and was on the bench in the last two tests. He’s making great progress and we are a bit thin at centre. I don’t look at just one currie cup game, I look at how he has progressed throughout the year”.

    “What makes him a good option is that he plays with Jean De Villiers and is a good defender, which we’ll need in those conditions”.

    so meyer, de Jongh has been living off scraps behind jj engelbrecht & taute, meanwhile he is the MOST experienced out of ALL 3 and has proved himself vs WALES, ABs & AUS.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.11.12 11:25:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 23) : Ok, thanks – I see where you are coming from.

    Regarding your last point, I agree. I had very high hopes for JDJ when he first came onto the scene and I feel he did not quite live up to expectation. I’ll be dead happy if he proves me wrong. Also, it will be good to have a number of good 13’s available – I believe both Taute and Paul Jordaan have the potential to become very good centres, but neither is quite there yet.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.11.12 11:27:17 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 22) : why must a guy learn to play centre at the Boks and not at his province/franchise?

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.11.12 11:28:46 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 24) : Well said, I couldn’t agree more.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.11.12 11:32:54 by neilster Reply

     
  • @MysticShark (Comment 25) : Its hard to judge De Jongh on his Bok performances thus far as they have mostly been off the bench. Agreed on Jordaan, jaw-dropping talent.

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.11.12 11:45:32 by neilster Reply

     
  • @MysticShark (Comment 25) : @neilster (Comment 28) : jordaan can forget… at 1.80m 88kg, he is too small for heyneke meyer…

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.11.12 11:49:33 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : And I think De Jongh has fallen foul of Meyer’s same fixation with size… I’m sure Meyer can’t bring himself to have Lambie and De Jongh in the same starting backline!

    Funny that he doesn’t have a problem with Hougaard though!

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.11.12 12:08:50 by CS Reply

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  • I think we are severely lacking at 12 and 13. Our whole backline squad is rife with players expected to be utility players and lacking in specialists.

    It is not sustainable.

    9’s playing as 11’s, 15’s playing as 13’s, Lambie not sure whether he is a 15 or 10.

    I would love to know what HM told everyone in the pre-season camps where he supposedly told everyone where they stand because if I was a player I would be very confused as to what is expected.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.11.12 12:13:17 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : Indeed, its incredidble how much 10Kgs or so means to Meyer.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.11.12 12:13:36 by neilster Reply

     
  • @CS (Comment 30) : indeed. he looks at de jongh and looks at taute and thinks the latter is “big,strong and fast” and picks him.

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.11.12 12:14:32 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 33) : You forgot “and dom”.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.11.12 13:25:10 by Bump Reply

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  • If we are going to move players around to get the best 15 guys on the field then my backline, if all were fit, would be:
    15. Habana
    14. JP
    13. De Villiers
    12. Steyn
    11. Rhule
    10. Lambie
    9. Pienaar

    Pace aplenty out wide, strong physical mid field and running half backs. 3 kickers in the team. Bench would be Hougaard, De Jongh and Taute.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.11.12 13:34:56 by Amateur Reply

     
  • Springbok team has been announced!

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.11.12 13:40:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 9) : yes but he never passes and puts his wingers into space and that is what makes conrad great.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.11.12 15:41:31 by MJ Reply

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  • @MJ (Comment 37) : how was jaque fourie’s passing? most 13s are strike runners like mossie, jordaan, manu tuilagi, robbie fruean, rene ranger. they’re not REQUIRED to distribute first.

    conrad is unique in that he is adequate at strike running – average pace – but is brilliant at play-making which is the reverse of what you can refer to as a traditional role of a 13.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.11.12 16:00:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 38) :

    Yeah but Mossie was a proper strike runner. Quick, big, powerful and had a good skill in timing his run to hit the line at pace.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.11.12 16:05:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 39) : he couldn’t pass or create too though…de jongh can hit the line, can step and finish…i don’t get why he MUST create when the list above don’t!

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