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Deysel selection adds line-out options – Plumtree


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 28 Feb 2013 at 09:57
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While it’s to be applauded that Sharks coach John Plumtree has kept his match 22 unchanged for this weekend’s clash against the Stomers, the elevation of Jean Deysel to the starting line-up, in place of Jacques Botes, has raised eyebrows in certain quarters.

It was felt that Botes had acquitted himself well against the Cheetahs, after a solid pre-season that saw him emerge as the pick of the try-scorers, admittedly against rather weak opposition. With Keegan Daniel out of action, Botes remains the only “smaller” loose forward in the Sharks’ current squad and while neither is exactly a fetcher in the true sense of the word, it’s been shown in the past that having one of them in the trio does tend to break up the monotony and result in more adventurous loose forward play, than would be the case if three behemoths were picked together.

Plumtree has opted to rather shift Marcell Coetzee to the open-side for this clash, thus returning Deysel to the number 7 jersey that seemed his birthright just a few short seasons ago. Still smarting from the line-out hammering the Sharks took against Western Province in the Currie Cup Final, Plumtree has told Beeld’s Christo Buchner that the switch has been made simply in terms of giving the Sharks more line-out options. It mustn’t be forgotten that while Botes may appear a like-for-like replacement for Daniel, the latter is in fact a pretty underrated line-out forward himself, with his relative lack of bulk and athleticism combining to allow ball to be won against far taller men; Botes has yet to show any capability in this area.

There could be another factor at play here as well. Simply put, the selection of Deysel and Coetzee in tandem should, in theory, free up Ryan Kankowski to play a slightly looser game. While the big eighthman has been winning plaudits for the new and improved “hard edge” to his game in recent times, let’s not forget that it is the free-running Kanko that we know and love who remains one of the Sharks’ primary forward strike weapions.


37 Comments

  • Fair enough. I just hope we a plan to keep that little pain in the backside Fourie contained. At least playing from hooker he will not be so quick to the breakdown from set pieces as he was during the cc final.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.02.13 10:15:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I rate him much higher on openside flank than at hooker.

    We were a bit sloppy at the rucks sometimes against the Cheetahs – if I recall correctly Sadie’s try came from a turnover when our ball spat out the side of a ruck.

    WP beat us last year by exploiting our two major weaknesses – line outs and protecting our ruck ball

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.02.13 11:04:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I’m not convinced by this selection. We lost the CC final because Deon “Gimli” Coetzee stole all our ball on the ground, and Eben Etzebeth all our ball in the air. Etzebeth is out, and we look to bolster our lineout…!? By taking out the closest thing we have to a fetcher!?! Ooookaaay then…

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.02.13 11:23:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) :
    Who is Deon Coetzee?

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.02.13 11:38:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : the coach’s nephew

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.02.13 11:43:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : A new hybrid flanker with the nuisance factor of Deon Fourie (unfortunately looks like him too) and the work rate of Marcell Coetzee πŸ˜›

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.02.13 11:43:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : But there we go…”closest thing to a fetcher” :Botes isn’t a fetcher he is an openside flank. Marcel Coetzee doesn’t fetch well ,his technique over the ball/fallen player isn’t great ,he is to soft and isn’t hard enough to clean out.

    We forget how potent Deysel was at the breakdown ,so saying he adds a lineout option may be a tactic to sway the oppositions attention away from the breakdown and then target it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.02.13 11:46:01 by Talent Reply
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  • Good explanations both. I was inclined to think of a squat troll – like Toadwart. Can’t imagine why.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.02.13 11:46:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 7) : Except that the team selection has Coetzee at open side and Deysel at blindside. Generally you pick the “fetcher” at open side – although I guess that only matters at scrum time.

    BTW Botes managed two outright pilfers against the Cheetahs – so he ain’t too bad in that dept.

    I doubt that Coetzee is soft – I think more a case of using incorrect technique at the breakdown.

    Will be interesting to see which roles Plum assign to each member of the loose trio.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.02.13 11:54:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : @robdylan (Comment 5) : @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : Ouch!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.02.13 11:55:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • 😈 With this team we should pick and drive very close to the rucks and stay away from driving through the inside centre channel and then play out wide to get Jordaan and our wings in space. 😈

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.02.13 11:58:23 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 9) : Just saying Deysel adds a fetching component much like when province used DF at 8 last year.

    Fair enough Botes maybe managed two outright pilfers ,but I’m sure last year Coenie Oosthuizen managed as many in some games (playing alongside probably the worlds most prolific fetcher)

    When I said soft I was referring to his body position over the ball ,he seems to be cleaned out to easily whereas Bismarck, Brussow and the Pococks of the world take a few hits while contesting.

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.02.13 12:07:25 by Talent Reply
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  • I classify my loose forwards as such ; a)Link up player b)Carrier/Enforcer c)Fetcher

    Many players are a combination of both and play in a position where they don’t necessarily need the combination for that role ,but having them makes picking a balanced loose trio more interesting .

    Coetzee ,to me ,is a combination of a link player and a carrier similar to Schalk ,whereas Deysel is a fetch/carrier combination. Obviously one part of there combination will be a primary role and the other a tertiary depending on where they are played and who they are played alongside.

    I think its crucial to have all three components in one trio .

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.02.13 12:25:32 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 13) : what about the hunter-gatherer?

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.02.13 12:55:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.02.13 13:10:57 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    You mean Pick ‘n Pay?

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.02.13 13:11:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Pay attention you may learn something 😈

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.02.13 13:14:16 by Talent Reply
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  • Deysel selection will aid the lineout yes, but its not the main reason he’s selected.
    Plum knows that the Stormers loosies are a physical bunch and that they dont have an out and out fetcher.
    He also knows that the Botes, although a great ‘fetcher’ type, just doesnt have the same physicality needed for this encounter.
    Its a horses for courses decision.

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.02.13 13:14:27 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 18) : Lately horses seem to be the main course. 😯

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.02.13 13:38:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 19) : how did you find us anyway? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.02.13 13:44:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : ‘find us’ – good one. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.02.13 13:51:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Did try and order some horse patties online at the time, but those that weren’t sold out was asking too much for delivery.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.02.13 13:55:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 21) : you make me proud πŸ™‚

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.02.13 13:56:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : Apparently the horse meat that you bought as beef is actually donkey.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.02.13 14:32:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) : It’s the ‘unidentified plant matter’ that concerns me most. None of that veggie burger nonsense for me thanks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.02.13 14:44:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 11) : Sure, like THAT’S going to happen. 😈

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.02.13 14:47:28 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 25) : we need to make a plan to have that drink we’ve been talking about for the last 5 years

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.02.13 15:50:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : We should.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.02.13 16:18:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) : are you still in Essex?

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.02.13 16:46:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : I’ve never been in Essex. I avoid it as much as possible. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.02.13 16:52:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : why did I think you lived there…. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.02.13 16:54:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : South of the river, but work in the dorp.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.02.13 16:58:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 32) : ah yes, ok πŸ™‚

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.02.13 17:07:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 32) : @robdylan (Comment 33) : Blerrie rooi nekke :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.02.13 17:39:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : tsek jy πŸ™‚

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.02.13 18:09:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 26) : Did you perhaps watch the Reds/Cannes and W’tahs/Rebels games? They employed this attack very effectively. But like you said…we can hope.. πŸ™„

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.03.13 15:16:18 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • deysel is lucky ‘Jab’ Sinclair is back at London Irish otherwise he knows a knockout would be coming his way! πŸ˜€

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.03.13 15:55:24 by Megatron Reply

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