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Goosen broken – again


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Springboks, Super Rugby on 18 Mar 2013 at 12:36
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Report surfacing on Twitter suggest that Cheetahs flyhalf Johan Goosen has again picked up a serious injury.

According to a tweet from Rugby365 – and backed up by other journalists on Facebook – Goosen appears to have suffered a cruciate ligament rupture during practice and will need surgery.

It’s a bitter blow to the team and the player, who has struggled extensively with injuries during his short senior professional career.

More details to follow.


47 Comments

  • The guy is scary good, but these serious injuries are getting to be a bit of a worry. Dude must go chat with Butch on how to handle it…

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.03.13 12:42:15 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Pity. He was starting to look like he was finding his feet.

    I have often wondered if he should not move to full back for some time – until his body can handle the rigors of senior rugby. He certainly has the speed and the boot.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.03.13 12:44:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Is he related to Andre Pretorius?

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.03.13 12:52:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Jeeeez. And that is why I prefer most other SA flyhalfs to him. Wonder if the Cheetahs will lament the loss of Sias now. Ebersohn is playing good rugby at the Force.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.03.13 13:39:28 by King Shark Reply
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  • eish not good for the cheetahs

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.03.13 13:58:49 by Poisy Reply
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  • Just play Willie le Roux at 10. He has done plenty of the Cheetahs’ creative work from first receiver, with Goosen joining the line.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.03.13 14:02:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : Who takes over the place kicking though?

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.03.13 14:04:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • poor guy

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.03.13 14:16:51 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : I don’t think it’s the rigors of senior rugby at all. He has just been damn unlucky. Tell me which senior rugby player would have walked off without an injury in similiar circumstances?
    @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : Le Roux kicked goal fro Boland, Smit can also kick at goal, and even Sarel Pretorius has had some experience.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.03.13 14:37:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 9) : He missed the last few games of the 2011 CC season, the last 7 games of the 2012 SR season, played only 150 minutes of the Rugby Championships, missed the 2012 CC season and will possibly miss the rest of this year’s SR season as well as the winter tests due to injuries. This does not include short term injuries.

    He has been replaced injured in 37% of his senior rugby games so far.

    And you don’t believe there’s a problem?

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.03.13 14:51:36 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 10) : I have to ask but isn’t it a union thing rather than a player problem? Jonny wilkinson got injured so many times playing at newcastle but as soon as he moved to france I haven’t seen the man injured as much. Maybe the doctors in bloem aren’t that great? Or even conditioning coaches?

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.03.13 15:13:31 by shaniboi Reply

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  • As I said, he got injured in the S15, and just got back to form. Thank HM for rushing him into the bok setup. This was a training slip, hardly match conditions at all, or don’t you understand the term “freak accident”

    You just love getting your little stab in when it comes to the Cheetahs, so no worry, can’t expect you to be objective at all. This was your own admission.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.03.13 15:19:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : Clearly and don’t care about kicking that much. 😀

    They’ll miss his place kicking and accurate clearing for sure, but Hennie Danniler can kick the ball just as far as he can, so use him as a clearing option and Le Roux or Smit as a goal kicking option.

    I thought Smit spread the ball pretty much exactly as Goosen did when he played during the curie cup.

    Goosen is way better in open play though (still another reason why I think they should consider switching him to the back and Le Roux to wing).

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.03.13 15:19:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 11) : Show me a conditioning coach that can prevent shoulder and knee injuries? Conditioning coaches prevent soft tissue injuries like muscle tears etc.

    If you hyper extend your arm, and a person falls on your shoulder, no amount of conditioning will prevent the shoulder from popping mate.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.03.13 15:21:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 12) : You shouldn’t get so defensive so easily.

    Even “freak accidents” happen more to some players than others – and all freak accidents has outside influences, but influences which the players body could not handle.

    Whether it was more the outside influence or the players body handling the pressure of those influences, are up to the conditioning coaches to determine.

    But it is concerning if a player is out of the game that much.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.03.13 15:22:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 11) : So would you say that Bissie is badly conditioned? Because he suffered a similiar injury.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.03.13 15:23:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 12) : Is it anti-Cheetah to be concerned about a talented youngster who, due to injury, has missed more games than he has actually played in his career? In 1 1/2 years this is the fourth time that he has a long term injury. To me that is worrying.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.03.13 15:30:31 by Baylion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 16) : Bissie has been over played since John left for Europe and thus are always in danger of and injury.

    So I would say, yes. But I can’t say for sure.

    The same goes for Alberts and Deysel – his last injury seemed a bit unlucky, but also won’t keep him out to look, and according to me he stepped onto the field with a little bit of a knock.

    Players don’t always get injuries because of bad conditioning, but once freak accidents become happen a few times, you have to question how the player has been managed.

    Juan Smith apperently aslo wasn’t 100%.

    The players are too eager to get back on the field.

    But you can also just put it down to bad luck – I think that would be another reason for more injuries though.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.03.13 15:33:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • Lol, come now BL, you know what they say, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but…. not all of the people all of the time.

    We both know you like to put Goosen in a bad light, and you admitted as much on your won WordPress blog the other day, that you aren’t always objective, as you doin’t like the Cheetahs. What’s gonna be your next “marketing line”?

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.03.13 15:34:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 17) : I totally agree… I personally don’t even feel like we’ve seen enough of him to really know what he can do yet.

    He’s yet to play in big matches… he’s only big match was in the Currie Cup semi in 2011 when they played the Sharks and he looked rattled in that game.

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.03.13 15:36:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 15) : Not defensive bud, there is a big difference i soft tissue injuries, which a good conditioning coach can minimise, but not eradicate, as all people are different.

    The kind of injuries Goosen, and Bismarck have suffered, are hardly preventable. push the knee in the wrong direction, hard enough and sudden, and a cartilage will go.

    That was my gist, no conditioning coach will help you then.

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.03.13 15:37:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : You forget that he played in a four nations test last year. That is a pretty big occasion.

    I reckon the guy is really talented, but I don’t like how some fans and sections of the press are setting him up as the savior of SA rugby. They are doing the guy a major disservice.

    His current history of injuries is a concern – just as he gets back into the game, he seems to suffer the next one. And usually not minor injuries.

    I still hope to see a lot more of him though.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.03.13 15:41:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : Cheetah, I don’t argue that I feel f-all for the Cheetahs. I also don’t argue that I feel that Goosen is being pushed way too quickly. This does not mean that I think he not talented.

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.03.13 16:13:46 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : Maybe you should watch more telly. There have been many matches where he was sublime. Go watch the Cheetahs vs Highlanders, Cheetahs vs Crusaders etc.

    You have sold yourself short on some good rugby dude! Funny the Kiwi’s compare him to Carter, and you the epitomy of rugby knowledge question hs class.

    I think I know, who’s opinion I would rather take seriously.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.03.13 16:22:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 23) : Cool point taken, I withdraw my comment with the contempt it deserves.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.03.13 16:23:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 25) : LOL

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.03.13 16:28:31 by Baylion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 25) : @Baylion (Comment 26) : The cats at it again 😆

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.03.13 16:33:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 24) :
    Easy there… cheetah.

    I think you are being a bit emo on this one.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.03.13 16:43:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • What could he do if he had a solid injury-free run? Classy little player, shame he plays the same position as our Patrick.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.03.13 17:39:23 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • I have to agree with King Cheetah here….Goosen has been exceptionally unlucky and this is a FREAK accident that could happen to anybody. No conditioning expert will be able to prevent these types of injuries. It’s unfortunate that he’s had 2 serious injuries since playing senior rugby. Hopefully he gets the best medical care and comes back better and stronger because he’s one of the most talented players to come out of SA for a VERY long time. He’s got it all.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.03.13 19:35:36 by Villie Reply
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  • @Here be dragons (Comment 29) : Completely agree. I think I am about the only one 😯 to suggest that in a year or 2 Goosen would make a brilliant fullback. Just watch the lines he already run at fly half, give him a bit more open space from the back and with his pace and prodigious boot he can be a killer. Then we could have the best 10 and 15 in world rugby.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.03.13 19:49:14 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 30) : Without proper rehabilitation after one has suffered from recurring leg injuries you can very often injure the other leg, often in a different place, due to overcompensation. Maybe this is a freak accident but it could well have happened because of the reason I’ve given.

    The fact remains after an 8 month injury layoff Goosen never got warm up game time but was thrown directly into the starting lineup. Naka is at fault for bad managing this kid. Is he under pressure to play him because a) he knows if the Cheetahs lose then he will be out of the job or b) because he doesn’t have faith in the reserve 10 which emphasizes the Cheetahs lack of depth or c) he is just k*k at managing his players? Id say the answer is a mix of all three.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.03.13 20:58:35 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 24) : Were you being sarcastic or was that a compliment… I couldn’t really tell by the tone in you voice? 😐

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.03.13 21:19:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 24) : And I don’t think I said he’s been bad or has never played a good game… I actually said we haven’t seen him in enough big games.

    As bokhoring rightly points out he also played in the four nations but got injured before we could see how he could handle some of the pressure. I did think he looked promising up to that point though.

    Also I don’t think he’s been anything near sublime this year. He was of his game against the sharks… And has slowly returned to some confidence, his kicking look excellent, that includes his clearing, but as far as creating opportunities for the backs goes for the cheetahs, I think Robert ebersohn has as always been the man quietly doing it for them. Le Roux helped since last year… So did goosen, don’t get me wrong, but these guys deserves as much credit for their improvement as he does. His kicking game is excellent though.

    Oh and in my expert opinion – goosen is nothing like Dan carter, maybe they’re just using him because they feel he has great potential just as Dan did at his age, but as far as his play go, I would compare him more to a mix of qaude cooper and a bit of Stephen Larkam, which as you can see is still a high honor. Dan Carter aren’t that type of expansive player, a lot more close to the chest close to the chest close to the contact area (not that he wouldn’t occasionally swing it wide, but not like Australia whose game it is to go expensive as much as possible.

    He is good, I’ve never said anything less, it’s just annoying that people like you keep going after people like me when I try to have a discussion of opinions about the player.

    Your opinion is that he’s been sublime. Mine is that he’s not. I would support my opinion, but I’m afraid that would make no difference to you.

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.03.13 21:46:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 32) : I think it’s the same knee, just not the same injury. So it was just a freak accident, slipping while practising his place kicking.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.03.13 07:44:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Does luck really have a part in injuries? Think Morne Steyn, Stefan Tereblanche they never seem to get injured. But then you get Goosen, Andre Pretorius, Juan Smith, Coenie Oosthuizen injured more often than not. There are plenty other names you can add but IMHO conditioning playes one hell of a roll. But yeah, freak accidents do happen.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.03.13 08:58:35 by SteelShark Reply
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  • @SteelShark (Comment 36) : I don’t recall Juan getting injured often. It is only this career-ending injury that really bothered.

    But I agree that there certainly are players that seem to get injured very often. Jean de Villiers, Butch James, Andries Bekker, and dare I say, Willem Alberts.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.03.13 10:02:57 by King Shark Reply
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  • @SteelShark (Comment 36) : Then you must also ask yourself how the players mentioned play the game. Morne avoids contact like the plague. All forwards are bound to suffer injuries, dueto the physical nature of their respective positions.

    Goosen jus has this all or nothing style about him, I shedder when he gets involved in rucks, contesting the ball, but that is how he plays.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.03.13 10:55:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : It’s a fallacy that Morne avoids contact if one look at last year’s tackle stats (Attempted/Made):

    Grant: 172/135 (10.8 per game)
    Morne: 167/142 (9.8 per game)
    Jantjies: 124/89 (8.9 per game)
    Goosen: 69/45 (7.7 per game)
    Lambie: 88/71 (6.8 per game)

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.03.13 11:05:21 by Baylion Reply

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  • I wonder if the Goose is hyper-mobile or soemthing.

    Problem with ligaments is that once they’ve gone, they’ve gone and always end up giving you problems.

    We could shield him like NZ shield Carter by moving him to the wing in defence; only problem is the Goose doesnt seem to be injuring himself making tackles!

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.03.13 11:59:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @ VinChainSaw :
    There has been conflicting reports on how he injured himself this time. This is the latest:

    Fourie said the Cheetahs are devastated by Goosen’s latest injury.

    “We were doing fitness drills after training and playing against each other,” he told the Volksblad website.

    “Somebody kicked the ball and Johan gathered it in the air. He then tried to side-step one of the guys when his knee gave way.”

    Another time he injured himself scoring a try.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.03.13 12:08:13 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 39) : I assume those stats include the games Lambie played at fullback?

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.03.13 12:19:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) : I assume so.

    This year he’s already on 36/35 (9 per game)

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.03.13 12:21:57 by Baylion Reply

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  • When a slip while practicing place kicking results in a 6 month injury, you know your body can’t handle this sport.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.03.13 16:13:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : I’m not sure if that’s the truth but its SS Blitz who say it was a slip while practicing place kicking.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.03.13 16:15:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I think the problem is some players are rushed back into teams when they’re not 100% fit. Goosen like Alberts can only be selected for bokke if they can play 6-7 games for their teams without getting injured. Time needs to be taken when players return from injuries to make sure they don’t get injured again.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.03.13 23:45:41 by JD Reply
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  • Its a real disadvantage to his career, the same thing happened to Andre Pretorius and Butch James

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.03.13 08:48:19 by Mutley Reply
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