Richard Ferguson

Back the Kings!


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :EP Kings, Lions, Original Content, Super Rugby on 18 Apr 2013 at 08:38
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The Kings have taken to Super Rugby like fish do to water, and have proven in ten short weeks that not only do they have the talent to win a few games, but that they fully deserve to be in the premier Southern Hemisphere rugby competition.

Let me start by saying that I have been vocal about the Kings inclusion in the past, based on the principle that they would lose every match as a result of uncertainty and the timing of certain important decision regarding their squad. I was wrong, simple as that.

The Kings shocked all and sundry by winning their first game against the Force, and even though many reacted by saying it would be a one and only positive for them for the season, that has not exactly happened. The expected beatings never came, from holding the defending Champion Chiefs team until late in the game, to going to play the Crusaders in Christchurch and keeping the deficit to only 35 points, in the process scoring twice. Not exactly the 100 – love battering that most expected.

Then it all turned around for them as they got a deserved draw against the Brumbies, the exact same Brumbies team that handed a beating to the Sharks and then following that up with a win over the Rebels. I am certain that the Kings will continue in their current form and spring a few more surprises as the season carries on.

The unfortunate thing is that it all may be in vain, as they will have to prove their worth in a promotion/relegation match against the Lions immediately after the conclusion of the Super Rugby league stage. Well, technically, we have to wait until the last week of Super Rugby to determine the lowest finishing South African team, but no there is very little chance that any other team will finish below them. They will take heart from the fact that they are almost assured of not finishing in fifteenth place on the overall log.

The question now is whether we want to see the Lions replace the Kings in Super Rugby 2014. Looking at the performance of the Lions in Super Rugby over the last five years, they have finished dead last in three of those years, and in only one year were they not the lowest South African team. In those five years, they struggled to three wins on tour whereas the Kings have already managed a win and a draw on foreign soil.

I feel for Lions supporters, their union is in trouble. Their team has not done anything worth mentioning in Super Rugby since they made the semi-finals in 2001. The management of the union is not doing any better with them struggling with player retention and constantly being in some financial trouble. They have had countless issues with sponsors and coaches, one has to wonder if it is all worth it.

They have had the year off Super Rugby to get their act together, but have failed at that as well, rather spectacularly. Their tour of the USA has been cancelled, at the very last moment, their reasoning being that the opposition does not warrant the money spent. I could have told them that four months ago, when they announced it.

The Kings came to the party in terms of filling up a stadium to capacity, whereas the Lions struggle to get 15 000 at a game, so does it not make sense, if there are only going to be five South African teams in Super Rugby, that we back the Kings. Backing the Kings now will give them the best opportunity to do even better next year, further surpassing all expectation.

Another year of preparation and being able to sign players knowing full well that their place in Super Rugby is not under scrutiny will do them the world of good. Who knows, we might actually have five fully competitive teams in Super Rugby, and that is for the greater good of South African rugby.


124 Comments

  • Nice one Rich

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.04.13 08:55:19 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • Great article Richard.

    I am eating humble pie deluxe! And I find it amusing to realise that when I watch a game, that I am supporting them with much enthusiasm! They can be proud.

    I still don’t agree with the behind-scene stuff and how they got their place, but I agree that they at least need another chance to build further!

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.04.13 09:00:06 by Ice Reply
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  • I would rather see my mother in law playing Super Rugby than watch the Kings for another season…. The Lions will make a BIG comeback to Super Rugby….. Sorry But it is my opinion….

    Lions are going on well with their training and we will be fresh and fit for promotion religation and will beat the Kings home and away.

    Bulls did not win anything for 5 years and nothing happend…
    Cheethas did not win anything for some years and nothing happend..

    Lions will get their form back and things will be better….

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.04.13 09:02:01 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • Have to say that I have a 100% record in picking the Kings’ results on Superbru 😎
    I am behind the Kings all the way except for when they play the Sharks offcourse.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.04.13 09:05:00 by SteelShark Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 3) : I guess the proof will be in the pudding. But let’s be real now can a current lions team beat the kings at the moment. Kings looking the goods and a couple more games I am going to put my money that they going to knock over one or two of the big sa teams.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.04.13 09:08:03 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 2) :

    My thoughts exactly.
    I also didn’t like the way they were included and frankly SA rugby made a shambles of it BUT they have really risen to the occasion, showed a lot of hart and their supporters have been filling the stadiums.

    That is more than I expected and I’m also currently supporting them when they aren’t playing the Sharks of course.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.04.13 09:08:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • One of your best articles yet Rich. πŸ˜‰

    The Lions don’t deserve to be included based on the non performance of not only their rugby team but their administrators.

    The worst run union in SA by a country mile.

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.04.13 09:09:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : I do agree with you that the Lions is one of the worst run Unions in SA but lets be honest……

    Yes the Lions have not performed great lately but They do deserve a second chance to redeem themselfs. Just look at the Cheethas. They have not been anywhere since the Cats Split and now they make all teams sweat.

    The Kings ( except for their “heart”) has been nothing from proudly SA. Their Captain not long ago wanted to Puke on a SPRINGBOK jersey and they manage to get into SR by some doubtfull ways….

    It is just the right thing to do by giving the Lions another chance.

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.04.13 09:20:19 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 8) :

    What do you mean by ‘second chance’??? How many years have they been in Superrugby??

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.04.13 09:23:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : Yes I agree but so has other teams had their share of bad rugby for years in SR so yes we deserve to be there…. Well once we beat the Kings in PR and quite down all the critics….

    As far as I know the preperation for the PR is going excelent and we will be a differant team come the PR

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.04.13 09:28:35 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 10) :

    Who are they playing to get match-fit?

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.04.13 09:32:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) :

    They losing in the Vodacom Cup while all their best players are getting hurt at other Super Rugby franchises.

    Oh, and don’t forget, they play Russia as well!

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.04.13 09:37:19 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Mistake, I didn’t pick the Brumbies draw 😳

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.04.13 09:42:46 by SteelShark Reply
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  • @SteelShark (Comment 13) :

    You can be excused for that..

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.04.13 09:44:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 3) : @Lassy_lion (Comment 8) : bwahahahaha, sorry, hahahahaha

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.04.13 09:49:39 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • well the point is the kings are doing better than the lions did, and they deserved a shot (not the way they got it but they got it) and they are taking it by the horns. but on the other side, maybe this situation would given the lions a kick under the arse to get their house in order and we might see a whole different lions outfit come relegation time.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.04.13 09:52:37 by MJ Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : The full team are playing this weekend agains Pumas in VC and then we have a match lined up for every weekend there after…. We play against some Frenche clubs and we play the Stormers and the Sharks when it is Tri-Nations…. We play Samoa and the French Barbarians aswell…. We will not have any problem with being match fit and we will have alot of confidance aswell having acouple of wins behind us…..

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.04.13 09:54:36 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @MJ (Comment 16) : I do agree 100% with you and I truely hope they got their fingers out their arses and play some rugby…. They are not a bad couple of players so lets hope they got a wake up call from all this

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.04.13 09:57:41 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • Nothing against the Kings, but I fail to see what the fuss is about.

    So they’re not as kak as expected. So what?

    They’ll still finish bottom or second last on the log at best. Nothing to celebrate imo. 😐

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.04.13 09:59:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 19) :

    Nothing to celebrate yet.

    That is the point, if we give them the chance to build, as the Lions have had for the last decade, then do you not think we will see them rise to the level of where the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers are?

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.04.13 10:00:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • There is nothing on Earth that will ever convince me to support the abomination they call the Kings. They could win every game in the competition, hell they could win SuperRugby, I would still hate them, as I hate every person or entity that is given something the didn’t work to earn. The Club was given SuperRugby not by winning their way in no, but by begging and complaining until it was given to them for free, the players decided they were better then having to fight their way up at the clubs they were at and decided to take a free starting spot at a new club. And then this O so amazing club, manipulates the rules so they can have more foreign players then the rest of the teams, and why is that when they used the premise that they had the strength in local talent to get in. Say what you want, shout at me how you like I do and always will HATE the Kings.

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.04.13 10:09:25 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) :

    That may be your opinion, but to not recognise the good work that has come from their players puts your reasoning as a rugby supporter in question.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.04.13 10:14:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Not sure if it’s worth responding to an article (and comments) filled with factoids, distorted facts and biased opinions but here goes:

    1. After being dropped into a rugby void the so-called Lions Challenge was put together on short notice by the Lions without any support from SARU, financial or otherwise.

    2. The Lions could only get games against teams not involved in the Northern Hemisphere competitions or in Super Rugby for the initial part of the preparation programme

    3. If you had bothered to follow the saga of the US tour you would know that the original idea was to a combined team of US & Canadian players, both teams substantially better that Russia, supplemented by a few other international players.

    4. The NA All Stars team was only announced at the end of March with only US based players after Rugby Canada withdrew from the competition in mid March, a month before the first match, while USA Rugby couldn’t get releases of their overseas based players apart from Todd Clever and two 2nd division players in the UK and the organisers could contract any other international players. The team was nowhere near the quality that was originally intended.

    5. The preparation programme is far from being a failure as the matches scheduled for June and July will provide a lot stiffer opposition than the initial matches with games against Grenoble and Heineken Cup quarter finalists, Montpellier, amongst others.

    6. Lions detractors conveniently ignore that the Lions had an unprecedented spate of injuries in 2012 with between 9 and 14 key players across all positions out per match for virtually the whole season. While injuries are part and parcel for the game and every team has to contend with them the scale and spread of the Lions injuries were exceptional.

    7. The Lions team of 2012, when fully fit, was one of the best in years and 7 players were called up for the EOYT and even though only a few got game time it was a good indication that the Lions were building well.

    8. As a result of the decision to kick out the Lions in August the Lions lost 15+ first choice and back-up players (20+ including their loan players), players who would have stood the Lions in good stead if they played Super Rugby this year.

    After all this the Lions will still be able to put out a team that can beat the Kings in the knock-outs:

    15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 Stokkies Hanekom, 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 Anthony Volmink, 10 Lionel Cronje, 9 Michael Bondesio, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Jaco Kriel, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 Hendrik Roodt, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg (captain).

    Replacements: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 Jacques van Rooyen, 18 Franco Mostert, 19 Willie Britz, 20 Guy Cronje, 21 Marnitz Boshoff, 22 Deon Helberg

    Sorry, this went a bit longer than I had thought it would.

    I don’t normally do this (and please edit it out if it’s not OK) but for more http://blogs.sport24.co.za/thepride/2013/04/15/lions-the-reports-of-our-death-are-greatly-exaggerated/

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.04.13 10:16:16 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : Perhaps. Whether they or the Lions are in or out makes no difference to me. If they win the promotion match then fair play to them. Just find it hard to muster cheer for a team that loses far more than they win.

    Bit like the nice but dof child at school. When he passes a test folks carry on like he just made dux. Fact is he’s still dof. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.04.13 10:17:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • Great article Rich.

    I really wish the Lions well, but the Kings deserve future inclusion for how they are going about things.

    Sanzar should really just drop an Oz team and do the world a favour.

    @Seth101 (Comment 21) :
    Listen, forget about the rugby for a second (its really just a game); but my friend, you need therapy.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.04.13 10:21:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : How can you work yourself up and build a team if you’re not included in any of the big competitions. Players won’t join a team that’s not going to compete at top levels.

    I don’t care which team was included, but it was about time that the weakest team in the SA conference get a time-out.

    I really don’t understand how anyone thinks a team can be good before they are given a chance to grow at the top level.

    I would have been upset if all 5 SA sides were competitive in Super Rugby, but the Lions weren’t. I think we should continue the relegation thing and not just keep 6 teams in the competition.

    Every second year, if teams don’t perform to a certain level, they fall out regardless. No promotion / relegation, just relegation and give another team (any other team) a chance. So the one year you play off for your spot, if you don’t lift your performance the next year, your out and a more enthusiastic team is in.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.04.13 10:23:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 23) :

    You raise valid points, and I commend you for that.

    Instead of attacking me in poor language and insulting me, you argue with facts, and I respect that.

    I hear what you are saying regarding the Lions and how they were unlucky and injuries and being unlucky not to be able to play in the US.

    But the fact remains, the Kings have succeeded with very little time and just as little help from SA Rugby than what your team has received since being excluded.

    My point is more aimed towards the Kings than it is slacking off the Lions. If the Kings can achieve what they did with less than six months to prepare, imagine what can be done if they have another year in which to prepare.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.04.13 10:23:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 23) :
    Biased opinions? As opposed to an objective one. Yours perhaps?

    All you have done is throw in a Lions slant. I wont even get into the exhaustive exercise of rebutting issues such as your injury list.

    I don’t expect a Lions fan to see beyond their own nose on this one – I would struggle too if the roles were switched.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.04.13 10:26:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • How many of the KIngs players played Super Rugby before – so really they should be doing well – it isn”t like they were all undiscovered talent from huge pool of rugby talent in the Eastern Cape like was promised. Heck they even tried to convince us that Argentinian is really South African…..

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.04.13 10:28:01 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Mate I seem to be the only person who’s forgetting the rugby. I’m not blinded by the fact that they have won 2 games. I am one of few people keeping the same stance as I had before the season, unlike all the glory supporters. So I need therapy because I hate the fact that in South Africa there is a tradition of giving people what they want not because they worked for it but because they shout loud enough for it, maybe that’s why I’m leaving the country I have loved all my life because I am not willing to fight in an army that defends such corruption and self indulgence. O and Mr Richard, I do not claim to be a rugby supported, I am a Sharks supporter!! I support no other clubs or teams, when international time comes I support the Boks.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.04.13 10:29:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 23) : At last someone that knows rugby and not only watch it…. Thanks for that Comment hope all the Kings lovers will open their eyes now, but I doubt it….

    The Lions will just show them come Promotion Religation…. and I agree with you that Lions team are way better players than the Kings have….

    Great Comment

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.04.13 10:32:14 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 23) :
    6. I would like to see you defend all the Lions’ seasons since the Cats split into the Cheetahs and Lions.

    There’s always promise and never results.

    By about round 6 or 7, the Lions must have known they were going to end last, they should have excepted their fate and started planning for 2013 right away, they however kicked against it and left any planning until the world was final, they were out and the Kings were in.

    It’s a sucky situation for the Lions, but i feel all SA and actually all Super Rugby teams should be held to a standard. Since this competition is just expanding as we go along, I feel a second tear and first tear competition should be in order very soon, to weed out the weak from the strong.

    I’m tired of watching the bottom 5 teams battle it out to avoid the wooden spoon. There should never be a team that looses more than lets say 70 to 80% of their games, so basically against every other team in the competition, except for a few upsets (this includes the Kings). It draws out the competition and takes away from strength versus strength games.

    The best teams sometimes don’t even play against each other anymore, because we had to make room for the Rebels and Force to play each other twice.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.04.13 10:34:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : Too true. The only way anyone will give a true unbiassed opinion is if they are not a fan of the Lions or the Kings. Richie as a Sharks fan fits the bill.

    @Just a Fan (Comment 29) : Compare the pedigree of player contracted for the Rebels in their first year and the Kings. The Rebels also had a large number of Super veterans as well international players. So in terms of player talent, they were far better prepared and yet took how many games before they had a first win?

    SARU screwed the Kings over by not allowing them a few foreign players like the ARU did with their extra teams.

    I actually like seeing the full stadium at PE. It’s something I wish Sharks supporters would do. I think Rich was being generous in saying the Lions struggle to get 15,000 to Ellis Park. I think they’re lucky if it was half that amount.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.04.13 10:39:12 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I think people forget that we are praising the players of a team here and not management. Leave all the knitty shitty stuff out and give these guys a bit of credit where its due

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.04.13 10:43:53 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 34) :Good point…

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.04.13 10:46:20 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 30) :

    You are harping on matters outside of the rugby results, which is unfair to a bunch of players playing their heart out and making South Africa proud.

    Look at the facts, forget the politics. They are winning and are doing a damn good job, much better than every single person here expected.

    But I am not going to waste my time arguing with a little boy who cannot see what is going on here.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.04.13 10:46:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : “I think you’re wrong but I won’t tell you why I think so” – what type of a response is that?

    FYI – the Lions injuries Week 6:
    Injured team: 15. Hollenbach, 14. Des Fountain, 13. Murray, 12. la Grange, 11. Mapoe, 10. Jantjies, 9. Bondesio, 8. , 7. Rhodes, 6. Jaco Kriel, 5. Ruan Botha, 4. Van Heerden, 3. Vd Linde, 2. Maku, 1. Janse Van Rensburg

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.04.13 10:51:58 by Baylion Reply

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  • What antics did the Limpopo Blue Bulls commit to be included into Vodacom Cup??? 😈

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 30) :

    Maybe you should be asking whether the Lions deserved to still be there. Did they? With all the time and resources they had did they really make the name of rugby in South Africa proud?

    (Granted that they looked like building a strong team since 2011, but still, their time was up and really well past its due date).

    Who cares who came in in their spot? The Kings made the bid for the position. Did anyone else stand up and say, no we deserve it more, lets play for it? We have a better rugby culture here and can do more for SA rugby if we were given a chance?

    I don’t think the Kings ever said that they were better than the Lions or any of the other SA sides, but rather that given a chance they believed that they could get there. They could build something special that every rugby supporter in South Africa could be proud of.

    Hey, I hate the Bulls as much and more as any non-Bulls supporter in this country does, but when it comes right down to it, they stand proud in front of the line in carrying on the tradition and culture of rugby in this nation.

    I never root for them to win, I hate when they do, but in some messed up way I can’t help but puff up my chest any time any South African team wins against the Crusaders or like the Stormers did against the Chiefs.

    I always rooted for the Lions, a couple of years ago they did a clean out and said we’re starting with a young team, but we’re building to something special and the beat the Chiefs at Ellis Park with one crazy score where both side together raked up almost, if not more than 150 points. It was awesome, and although they lost more games than they won, I thought if they just correct a few things they’ll become one of the best teams in this competition.

    Then 2 or 3 years ago, they same thing happened again with the appointment of John Mitchell. 2011 seemed so promising and 2012 would have, should have been their year, but nothing came of it.

    Why are we saying if they were given another year or two or three, that we would have seen a different result?

    No it was time for them to move aside for a team, any team, to be given a opportunity to show that they can make rugby loving South African’s proud. I don’t even care about their results, I think the Kings did exactly that with the way they’ve gone out onto the field each weak and the way their supporters have filled the stadiums.

    You say unfair inclusion, I say fair exclusion (even if we didn’t include another team in their place).

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.04.13 10:53:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 37) : Injury list? Think you’re a little out of touch squire. Half those guys aren’t injured they’ve left permanently.

    You expecting Dick Muir to coach the team? Why didn’t you include Josh Strauss at 8?

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.04.13 10:55:20 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 29) :

    Have you ever played rugby mate?Rule number 1 – the vast majority of the time the better drilled team wins.
    Better drilled comes with continuity and knowing your fellow players.

    Pulling a team together in a couple of months and then being competitive in the toughest competition on the planet isnt supposed to happen. The fact it did is credit everyone down in the eastern cape that has made this happen.

    As for it being unfair that they were included – cry me a river.
    As if old Louis Luyt played fair back in the day.

    For the record, neither a Kings fan nor a Lions fan, complete neutral.

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.04.13 11:03:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 30) :
    One of those? Never mind then – as you were.

    @Baylion (Comment 37) :
    The response of someone who recognises an exercise in futility. Plenty of solid argument already presented here. I am disinclined to rehash that.

    I bear neither you nor the Lions ill will, but I think the inclusion od the Eastern Cape is going tobear great fruit for SA rugby.

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.04.13 11:04:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 32) : I am not saying that the Lions are blameless in what happened to them. Most of their problems up to 2010 stem from management and I believe that in 2012 the Lions management was very naive in thinking that some other solution would interest or satisfy SARU, who had already sold SA rugby to the politicians.

    As to poor performances, at least since 2010 and without make a longwinded post:

    2010: The Lions had lost 15+ players in 2009 after the Loffie Eloff debacle. This combined with Dick Muir’s all attack strategy was disastrous.
    2011: John Mitchel started to rebuild with about 17 rookies used through the season
    2012: Apart from the injuries and, as I said, management’s naivety, I feel JM followed the wrong strategy in insisting the Lions go for tries rather than taking points on offer. The priority should have been to win, not play pretty rugby.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.04.13 11:10:43 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 40) : Maybe you misread – that was the injury list in Week 6 2012 in response to Big Fish’s comment

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.04.13 11:12:13 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : My issue isn’t so much the inclusion of the Kings but the fact that SARU made this a win-lose situation for both teams, both last year and this year.

    Which ever team lose the knockouts will be even more screwed for 2014

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.04.13 11:16:42 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 43) :

    Mate I appreciate how tough it must be for you and the other Lions supporters.

    However, there is nothign to indicate that things were improving in the union.
    The results have been terrible for more than a decade and management still has its head up its *ss.

    There was no indication that things would turn around anytime soon.

    The Kings have come in and proven they are able to eat at the top table. Their results are already better than the Lions over the last number of years.
    Furthermore, they at least have the support of their locals. It is so depressing to watch a game at Ellis Park and they cant even fill up the first row in the stands.

    So in summary, the case against the Lions is i) lack of finances, ii) terrible track record, iii) lack of support from the spectators, iv)poor, and at times seemingly corrupt, management.

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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) :

    What choice was there? They couldnt get the extra team, they needed to get the EC involved.

    So it came down to survival of the fittest.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.04.13 11:19:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) :
    And that I agree with and have said all along. SARU screwed both unions.

    But having said that, might the threat of promotion/ regulation not help spur the unions on to greater heights? You know that the Lions could have done much better than they have for the last ten years. Even the Sharks dont find the motivation to play at that constant 80% level that great sides too. Might the threat of relegation not make the union more hungry for genuine success and not just perennial averageness?

    This year you’re the black ball – maybe next year you will be the cue ball. All we are saying is that the Kings have progressed well and deserve our respect. That does not take away our commiserations for the Lions and lingering disquiet at how SARU handled this.

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.04.13 11:24:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 48) : This isn’t promotion/relegation. Promotion/relegation implies a second tier competition which SR doesn’t have. The Lions were kicked into a void with no alternative competition resulting in player losses and so will the losers of the knockouts be kicked into a void.

    And it is not only about player losses in the year you get kicked out but also about losing players whose contracts come up for renewal the next year. The Lions currently have 10+ senior players whose contracts are up for renewal this year and I’m not sure how many we will be able to keep especially since we will be starting back where we were in 2010 if we make it through to SR 2014

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.04.13 11:39:06 by Baylion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 46) : The Kings aren’t eating at the top of the table and as to the so-called lack of spectators at Ellis Park

    Ellis Park 2012 ave: 23,313
    Kings Park 2012 ave: 24,271

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.04.13 11:42:52 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 50) :

    Dont know what Kings Park has to do with it. Why not compare with Nelson Mandela Stadium?

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.04.13 11:53:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I must say I would love a two tier competition that runs on a promotion / relegation principle. The current format runs for too long, and I dislike this silly top 6 system with conference winners guaranteed a spot.

    I would prefer the top 4 teams from each conference to play in the old S12 format, and then allow another 3 teams in each conference to play in the second tier.

    That would allow all our teams to compete. Plus an Argie team (based in SA), Fijian team (based in Aus) and a Samoan team (based in NZ) could also be included.

    Plus a promotion – relegation match in each conference

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.04.13 11:59:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 50) :

    Is there a better club competition than Super Rugby?

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.04.13 11:59:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 51) : To show that the Lions attendances were on par with that of the Sharks.

    As to comparing with NMBS, I’ll wait till they have a full season behind them and when they stop dishing out thousands of free tickets through bottle stores, retail outlets and newspapers and their spectators actually start paying to watch the matches.

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.04.13 12:00:37 by Baylion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 53) : Not sure what your point is

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.04.13 12:01:50 by Baylion Reply

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  • Please guys just go back and have a look at the loggs of the past few years…. The Lions did loose most of their games but go and have a look and see how many games we lost by less than 7 point. They got close to beating teams like the Crusers and blues and every single team playing in the Super rugby…. Now the Kings does the same and everyone is on cloud 9 about it…. I call that double standards….. Every team needs to be treated the same because it is Super Rugby…. You can’t say they are doing well because it is the Kings…… They are close to the bottom of the logg and that is it…. Weather they are playing for 1 or 20 years if they are in the competition they must perform or trow them out…. Same as they did with the Lions…. No promotion religation or nothing….
    We didn’t have a opertunity to play the Kings for our spot why should we play them….. We will crush them anyway. Sorry Kings

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.04.13 12:03:16 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 54) : @Baylion (Comment 55) : Hehehehehe…..LOLOLOL……bahahahaha πŸ˜†

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.04.13 12:05:46 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • Do the Lions supporters in this thread realise that wishing the Kings well or commending their efforts does not imply an automatic “screw the Lions!” as a sly counterpoint?

    I thought the Bulls’ fans were touchy! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.04.13 12:14:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 58) : Would love to see you if the shoe was on the other foot……

    I am a Huge RUGBY fan and even Bigger LIONS fan….Not seeing your team play in the Super Rugby is like hearing your kid is to dumb for Varsity….. It feels like a loved one is taken away from you….. Not easy bud not easy

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.04.13 12:23:08 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 59) : “Not seeing your team play in the Super Rugby is like hearing your kid is to dumb for Varsity”

    In other words watching a team or individual failing to live up to their potential is a VERY unpleasant experience? Sharks and Lions fans may have a LOT more in common than you think.

    To add insult to injury, I’m a Sharks fan living in Pretoria. It’s very easy to put myself in your shoes. Which begs the question yet again, are you really sure every person praising some aspect of the King’s play is as a result, anti-Lions?

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.04.13 12:32:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 60) :

    Bro, what went wrong in your life that you ended up in Pretoria?

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.04.13 12:41:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 31) : hahahahahahahaha

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.04.13 12:44:22 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 61) : Long story! Short answer: grew up in Bulls country but could never find a good enough reason to support them. Love Pretoria otherwise! πŸ™‚

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.04.13 12:52:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • It’s good to hear about the change in attitudes from many, the Kings have proven they deserve to here. I think all can acknowledge that the SARU made a proper mess of the whole thing, but for pete sakes give credit where it’s due. The Kings I believe will beat the Lions in the promo-relegation, should give the Lions fans a proper indication of how tough it is to earn promotion when you play in the lower divisions and don’t consistently play against the best

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.04.13 13:29:41 by Ludz Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 60I am sure it is not but it still is not nice to hear it….LOL I am a LIONS fan Staying in Cape Town…..

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.04.13 13:37:47 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 65) :

    I’m gonna have to have a word with the immigration officials out Worcester way… I assume you came in via the N1?

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.04.13 13:59:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Exactly how I feel about cars with bulls bumper stickers.

    Lets Do It!

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.04.13 14:16:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • By August the Kings will be just a bad dream in the past when we beat them in the promotion/relegation. That is if SARU does not change there mind again.

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.04.13 14:18:43 by Mutley Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : No N1 for me dude…. VIP’s like me get flown in with personal jets…. and the immigration officails are all on my payroll…. I take it you are from CPT….Wonder if I can change that πŸ˜†

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.04.13 14:25:06 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • It’s going to be awkward when the Kings finish their “successful” Super Rugby season and then have to go and play first division Currie Cup…

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.04.13 15:12:00 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 70) : And they probably won’t win it this year as the “B” division starts in June already. Their Super Rugby players will only join in Round 7

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.04.13 15:15:04 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 71) : That will be fine though, the Kings attitude is a loss by anything less than 40 points is considered a victory. They don’t try and win, they just try not to lose too badly.

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.04.13 15:18:51 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 72) : hahaha, that’s the dumbest comment I’ve seen in a while

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.04.13 15:29:56 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 71) : the Pumas will be a lot of trouble, but by the time the Super Rugby players return, they’ll probably be within the top 2 which puts us in a good position to still end 1st, come now, let’s show some maturity

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.04.13 15:33:53 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 69) :

    Indeed I am!
    But I left when the place filled up with Vaalies doing the reverse Groot Trek! πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.04.13 15:36:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 73) : always an achievement on this site

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.04.13 15:39:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • How was I being immature?

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.04.13 15:41:46 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 77) : oh dear. Time for free therapy. Sit on the couch and tell me how you feel πŸ™‚

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.04.13 15:44:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Sorry, I wanted to edit the comment but the edit link didn’t show after I refreshed the page. But it does p!ss me off a bit when a straightforward comment is seen as something more

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.04.13 15:48:32 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 79) : ag ja, but sometimes you just have to move on by.

    Passions are inflamed all over the interweb today. I get the feeling EVERYONE, coaches, players, fans and the like are feeling the pressure in this stupidly overblown competition.

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.04.13 15:53:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 77) : refusing to give credit where it’s due.

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.04.13 15:56:23 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 79) : oh and that comment editing feature has simply never worked properly. I think I’ll remove it if I get around to it one day

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.04.13 15:57:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : No, it was my fault. I accidentally submitted and tried to stop it but when I refreshed to see if the comment went through I couldn’t edit it. Should have just let it run its course and then edited.

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.04.13 16:00:48 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 83) : for what it’s worth, I feel for Lions fans. I think you guys should be forcing change at your own union, though, rather than directing the frustration outwards.

    That will be R150 please.

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.04.13 16:06:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 81) : Huh? Sorry, but I merely mentioned that the EP Kings will be playing their second team for the first six weeks of the Currie Cup.

    But if you want credit – Good for the EP Kings for playing their second team for the first six weeks of the Currie Cup and not demanding preferential treatment.

    How’s that? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.04.13 16:06:44 by Baylion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) : Cheque’s in the mail πŸ™‚

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.04.13 16:11:07 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 65) : Maklik in Parow vallei nuh.

    Back the Stormers first and Kings 2nd Hopjaaaa

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.04.13 16:34:28 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 73) : Said in jest.

    Just trying to draw attention to how everyone is raving about how well the Kings are playing and with such “passion” yet they still lose.

    For example “The expected beatings never came, from holding the defending Champion Chiefs team until late in the game, to going to play the Crusaders in Christchurch and keeping the deficit to only 35 points, in the process scoring twice. Not exactly the 100 – love battering that most expected.”

    Neither of those results are ones I would be proud of.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.04.13 16:41:59 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 88) : let’s get real here, which Super Rugby debutants has performed as well as the Kings in their 1st season, it is merely acknowledging that the Kings could have something to offer in the competition given the chance to establish themselves. If you follow schoolboy rugby, you’d realise there’s a massive pool of talent in the EC, players of colour and white boys (sorry Rob). Schoolboys from the likes of Dale, Queen’s, Selborne, Grey, St Andrew’s, Kingswood, Daniel Pienaar, Marlow etc are being lost to other union with EP being able to retain very few of them. Unless the region has Super Rugby they can’t keep these boys. Anyway, what is being acknowledged is the massive potential the region has

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.04.13 16:53:00 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 89) : I agree 100% and I do believe their good results (like their unbeaten record against Australian teams) should be celebrated.

    I just get frustrated when mediocre results are celebrated just for surpassing expectations. To lose by 35,16 or 11 points is nothing to be happy about no matter who you are, where you are from or who you are playing against. The scoreboard shouldn’t have a comments section.

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.04.13 17:02:31 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 88) :

    Are you having a laugh mate?

    The Crusaders are the best club side to have ever walked the planet.
    Theyve been playing together for years, have fantastic coaching and support structures, a settled side and some fo the finest athletes around.

    They’re also the team that is responsible for some fo the biggest hidings in Super Rugby history.

    The Kings, on the other hand, were only assured of their SR berth a few short motnhs before the comp began, begged, stole and borrowed players, pulled together a coaching team and yet were still competitive.

    Its the same reason it has taken Italy the better part of two decades to record their first wins in the 6N. Because rugby is a game where a team that plays together for a long time is generally goign to be the better side; hence every Bok coach since Kitch Christie banging on about continuity.

    There’s something wrong with you if you cant see this dude. Or you just dont understand rugby at a fundamental level.

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.04.13 17:03:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 91) : fair comment, very valid points that the anti-Kings brigade should have a look at before failing to see how remarkably the Kings have done to be where they are at this point in time

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.04.13 17:14:29 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 92) :

    Further to this, can you imagnie how difficult it must be to play for a union run by the Watsons?
    I dont really have an opinion on their politics, but they are pretty divisive people…

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.04.13 18:02:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 93) : personally I know very little about what problems people have with Cheeky, am a bit on the young side at 20, so it still baffles me sometimes. Luke was out of line back then, but I know he’s apologized countless times and really don’t understand why people can’t move on from it

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.04.13 18:15:51 by Ludz Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 91) : I can see that, I can see all of that. I just don’t think being beaten by 35 points is being competitive.

  • Comment 95, posted at 19.04.13 10:06:40 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • i don’t expect lions supporters to be commending the efforts of the kings players & management. they can happily take of their ‘rugby supporter’ caps & wear their ‘i’m a hater cos my team got kicked out’ caps, it is of no consequence.

    even the blatant hypocrisy of the Seth101s & Orelando_Gs pales in comparison to the joy the Kings have given me. It will be remiss though not to remind Seth101 that both the Lions (Pumas, Leopards) & Central Cheetahs ( Griffons, Griquas) never played or in your favourite parlance Seth “earned” a Super rugby spot after the CATS were disbanded in 2005. SARU left the decision to pick the FIVE franchises to KPMG accountants, no rugby “merit” was used only financial viability & sound management.

    subsequent to the addition of the 5th franchise SARU drafted a new Super Rugby agreement stating that the team finishing 5th in 2006 will make way for the Spears.

    come the end of 2006, the Lions were last on the log. Super rugby 2007 starts the Lions are suited up to play, the Spears franchise destroyed through corupt means & the Lions granted 6 whole years of Super rugby without consequence.

    you have to just laugh when people say things like “i’m leaving this country cos people get this they don’t deserve'” with a log poking out of their eyes

    πŸ˜€

  • Comment 96, posted at 19.04.13 11:42:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 95) :

    In 2007 the Reds were beaten 92-3 by the Bulls.
    In 2011 they won the competition.

    Every team has horror days; to expect a side to come in without adequate preparation and beat the Crusaders, the most successful team ever, is a tad unfair.

    I’ll go as far to say that scorign two tries against the Crusaders is an above average result when compared to the historical results of other teams.

  • Comment 97, posted at 19.04.13 11:47:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) :

    I was wondering when you would show up for this thread.

    Congrats on your team so far. I’ll be EXTREMELY happy is they can beat the Bulls tomorrow night.

  • Comment 98, posted at 19.04.13 11:48:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 61) : …asks the man living on mud island… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 99, posted at 19.04.13 12:03:46 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 99) :

    Hey! Rob also lives on that Island. πŸ™„

    Oh wait, I get your point… nevermind.

    Move along people, nothing to see here… 😈

  • Comment 100, posted at 19.04.13 12:08:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 97) : the Bulls in 2011 went to Christchurch and LOST 27 -0

    But the team assembled & trained in hardly 6 months must be ridiculed for losing by 35pts vs a full strength Crusaders team.

  • Comment 101, posted at 19.04.13 12:15:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 98) : thanks fella.

    i’m getting nervous as the match approaches but all the nerves disappear as soon as get to the Slaghuis & i see my fellow EC brethren there to support an ideal they believe in.

    one would think this is how the people of Natal felt when their team got promoted through a boardroom decision from the B-Section of the Currie Cup in ’87 that culminated in the team’s maiden Currie Cup win in ’90.

    great times.

  • Comment 102, posted at 19.04.13 12:21:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 101) : Do you want a shoulder to go with that?

  • Comment 103, posted at 19.04.13 12:21:57 by Uli Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 99) :

    Very fair comment and i ask myself that every day!

    Hopefully not for too much longer!

  • Comment 104, posted at 19.04.13 12:22:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 101) :

    Exactly. People believe what they want to believe I suppose.

  • Comment 105, posted at 19.04.13 12:23:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I actually have the Kings to sneak a win! πŸ˜€

  • Comment 106, posted at 19.04.13 12:28:42 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 106) : Hope you`re right! Will sacrifice my SB points with a smile . . .

  • Comment 107, posted at 19.04.13 12:35:51 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 102) : Jeez, you took your sweet time, didn’t you? Still glad you made it to the thread though and even happier your team is showing such grit. The Sharks could take a page from the Kings when it comes to determination and perhaps even not taking one’s place in the rugby hierarchy for granted.

  • Comment 108, posted at 19.04.13 13:05:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 108) : sorry mate πŸ˜€

    something the Lions fans might not know is that when he Spears were re-launched in 2009 as the Southern Kings & they played vs the B&I Lions they were meant to play Super Rugby in 2011 BUT

    β€˜What the public don’t understand is that
    our entrance to Super Rugby was supposed
    to be in 2011,’ Watson explains. β€˜I was
    approached at the time, and my attitude
    was that we could not do that to the Lions.
    Kevin de Klerk had just been elected, and
    when I met with him, I said we couldn’t
    force this down their throats.

    β€˜It’s not that we withdrew because we
    weren’t ready. We withdrew on the premise
    that we couldn’t allow the Lions to drop out
    on such short notice. We then said to the
    Lions, β€œEntrance for the Kings is in 2013, so
    we are giving you this time to get your
    house in order and to ensure that you’re
    not bottom of the log [come 2012].”’

    now i dare Kevin de Klerk & his lackeys to come & say they were blindsided by the threat of relegation, they’d known about it since 2009 (at least manie reyneke did)

  • Comment 109, posted at 19.04.13 14:56:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 109) : If everyone knew about it since 2009 then why do people say the Kings only had 6 months to prepare?

  • Comment 110, posted at 19.04.13 15:27:41 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 110) : SARU’s president’s council still had to ratify it to be effective PLUS the deal was
    “wait till 2013 & we will give the Kings 3 years entrenchment”

    yup, as you know, the decision was only CONFIRMED on August 16 2012 & the 1st Kings game was in February 23 2013.

    after the one season announcement players who had been in talks with the Kings said “forget about it”.

    too much skulduggery at SARU you are not aware of buddy.

  • Comment 111, posted at 19.04.13 15:41:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 109) : my advise to you is, Stop whining, Stop stirring. The kings are actually collecting allot of support by the way they play. But the way you act seem to sour this very quickly and divide camps on the Kings.

  • Comment 112, posted at 19.04.13 15:44:19 by Uli Reply
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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 110) :

    Do you think the players were hanging around since 2009 in the hope that SARU would get their act together?
    This before the union could get sponsors to pay their wages as there was no certainty yet and no sponsor was going to pay market-related advertising if there was no certainty the team would be running out and displaying the sponsors name?

    Same with regards the coaching staff, medical team etc.

  • Comment 113, posted at 19.04.13 15:46:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 112) :

    From where im sitting camps are already divided. Same old South African laager mentality.

  • Comment 114, posted at 19.04.13 15:46:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 114) : You might think so, but actually the public is getting behind the kings due to the way they play. Smell some roses.

  • Comment 115, posted at 19.04.13 15:50:47 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 112) : who is whining, where am i stirring? read my first post dumbf.ck!

    why not tell the disaffected lions supporters to put a sock in it, huh?!

  • Comment 116, posted at 19.04.13 15:57:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 112) :
    Do you recognise the difference between explaining and whining?

    Think you’re way off there.

  • Comment 117, posted at 19.04.13 15:58:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : Seriously, if you want to call me names from behind your keyboard , grow up , you act like a child who hasn’t got his Easter egg yet Easter is long gone.

  • Comment 118, posted at 19.04.13 15:59:16 by Uli Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 117) : I think we have had enough of HIS explaining on this site when it comes to the kings.

  • Comment 119, posted at 19.04.13 16:01:32 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 118) : look i know you’d rather i shut up & you revelled in all the anti-kings bile but you know what? tough titties for you china!

    baylion was here straining to put in a pro-lions stance to the past 2 seasons, i don’t recall you telling him to “stop whining”

    why?

  • Comment 120, posted at 19.04.13 16:03:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 120) : Listen here go wash your mouth before you talk to me.
    Enough of feeding a troll like you.

  • Comment 121, posted at 19.04.13 16:05:06 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 119) : who is “we”, do you represent a group?

    hahaha πŸ˜›

  • Comment 122, posted at 19.04.13 16:07:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 121) : again, point to ANY trolling omn this thread…

  • Comment 123, posted at 19.04.13 16:11:13 by Megatron Reply

    Megatron
     
  • @Megatron (Comment 122) :
    The royal we.

  • Comment 124, posted at 19.04.13 16:17:26 by Big Fish Reply
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