Toothless Sharks

Written by Pierre McLeod (pierre_mackie)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 12 May 2013 at 09:23
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A team with Springboks in most starting positions on the field (and the few that haven’t played for the Springboks is probably equal if not better then the one who is currently playing in that position), and yet they struggle to get any sort of momentum or win behind them. The were outscored 4 tries to 2 by the Reds on Friday night in Brisbane Australia.

You cant blame anyone for thinking this would be the year of the Sharks before the start of the Super Rugby season. The Sharks showed great character and fight when they reached the Super Rugby final last year beating the Reds and Stormers against all odds to play the Chiefs in Hamilton. The traveling could have been a fair excuse for failing in the final.

They also managed to reach the final of the Currie Cup last year but failed to beat Western Province, something they did so well 2 years prior. They have always been a team that would do enough to reach the finals but lack what ever they need to go the final 80 minutes. A team that has failed in 2 Currie Cup finals and 1 Super Rugby final in as little as 24 months. Quite an accomplishment but overshadowed by the fact that there are no trophies in the cabinet.

Surely the players and management would have learned a heck of a lot and would know where its gone wrong in the past. Welcoming back some old faces and some new ones, in Francois Steyn, Butch James, Ryan Kankowski and Franco van der Merwe on loan from the Lions. Only losing Steven Sykes and Frederic Michalak.

Unfortunately the Sharks were swimming in unfamiliar water as they started losing some of their first choice players and also their captain Keegan Daniel in the warm up games. Everyone knew it would be a challenge for the team to regroup and manage with some second choice players until they recover from injury but no one expected this. Well Keegan Daniel did return and so did Willem Alberts and Jean Deysel, but with their team already on the back foot they have very little to offer.

Many are saying its Plum and Co. Many are saying that he has reached his cap and has nothing more to offer the team, we need someone else to take us to the next level. Fingers are pointing to Daniel, he is off the pace and as the leader of the team seems to be leading them further down the log with poor decision and just poor over all form.

Super Pat is also not looking so Super anymore, could it be influenced by national selection? Not even a shadow of the player that could spark something from nothing and had everyone talking about this young exiting fly half as the new Springbok fly half. There is no creativity, no spark and the backline is running aimlessly across the field. With speedsters like JP Pieterson and Lwazi Mvovo being ineffective and losing form with every game. Don’t be fooled by the team’s 22 tries, 10 were against the Rebels. If you take that out of the tries count they’re only on 12, 5 less then the Stormers and the Southern Kings, who have scored 17 apiece.

So what needs to change, the coach, team selection, captain or do we yet again need some French flair to think for us on the field? The danger you will face if this carries on is, players will become unhappy and would possibly start to look for contracts elsewhere or seek contracts overseas, or even worse they will be playing themselves out of the Springbok team. Are the Sharks swimming in the same direction as the Lions did with John Mitchell?

Plum is desperately trying to change the team every week, that is not working. As Daniel is out of form, maybe its time to look for a new captain? But who? Plum has tried Steyn and Deysel, do you go to Lambie? Kankowski was dropped from the team, Jacques Botes and Bismark du Plessis are out injured and all potential captains. Are you so desperate that you turn to an outsider in van der Merwe at least hes been showing more heart than some of the Sharks players.

Many will be hoping that new CEO John Smit will rectify the current situation at the Sharks. Will he be able to, I suppose only time will tell. But for now if Plum wants to keep his position as coach he needs to put this Super Rugby season behind him and start planning towards the Currie Cup, cause if we reach another final with no trophy and Plum stays ill seriously question the ability of the decision makers at Sharks Rugby.


  • I would say you were a little bit harsh on Lambie, Pietersen, and Mvovo, but otherwise you are for the most part right. Although, we do have guys like Cooper and PSdT. I think the problem is the fact that Plum keeps making changes. The last 3 games we played, we could have won, were it not for slow starts due to new combinations. We need consistency (and Bismark).

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.05.13 09:35:06 by David12246 Reply
  • One shouldn’t discount the effect of the Sharks massive injury list. The lack of continuity in selection as a result of injuries across the board have a major effect of team performance and the ability to execute a consistent game plan.

    Last year the Waratahs, Blues and the Lions suffered due to long injury lists. This year they don’t have this problem and they are performing well (except for the Lions of course who aren’t playing) and one can see it in the results. The Cheetahs, and even the Kings, are performing well largely due to limited injuries and a consistency in selection.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.05.13 09:49:12 by Baylion Reply
  • @Baylion (Comment 2) :
    You have to question why they’re having such problems with injuries though. I’ve also noticed that our guys seem to be seriously short of puff, and both of these things indicate a problem with our conditioning.

    Either we’re undercooked, which would cause injuries from being unfit. Or we’re overcooked, which means we’re getting injured because bodies are not given enough time to recover. Or, we simply skipped strength training in preseason, which means that our players simply don’t have the strength to resist injuries, break tackles make explosive sprints that elude tacklers.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.05.13 10:54:00 by josefgremlin Reply
  • Yes let’s blame the Sharks poor form on injuries, let’s forget that they’re the only team to lose against the bottom side in super rugby 2 years in a row, let’s forget that they played in 3 finals and lost all 3 badly, let’s forget how bad they played in the first halve of last season. Yes now I see there’s nothing wrong in Durbs only some injuries Sharks is unbeatable and the best side in the world.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.05.13 11:02:57 by JD Reply
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  • Think the name should be changed to the Whale Sharks ………… all girth and no bite.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.05.13 11:06:02 by JD Reply
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  • @josefgremlin (Comment 3) : I’m not a conditioning fundi and cannot really answer that but consistency in selection brings on problems later. If you keep selecting the same players (first choice) game in and game out you benefit in the short term but eventually bodies will give in. The Lions experienced that where they played 2011 with virtually the same team in Super Rugby and the Currie Cup but the injuries started to hit them in 2012.

    A strict rotation plan needs to be in place and the consistent selection must be from the squad rather than in the starting 15 or even the match 22. Looking at the Sharks there are some players who have played in virtually every game so far and even back to 2012. Giving a player a bit of time on the bench serves little purpose and is not really player rotation.

    A team structure can accommodate one or two new players per game, players who know the system, but it cannot accommodate a flood of new players, some who are unfamiliar with the game plan and the team.

    Part of the problem, as I see it, at the Sharks is that injuries have forced so many new players into the team that the established players cannot be given a break and are being overplayed and it’s only a matter of time before players like Lambie break down as well.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.05.13 11:13:27 by Baylion Reply

  • @JD (Comment 4) : You’re right. Injuries don’t explain why the Sharks tend to “choke” in certain matches.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.05.13 11:17:08 by Baylion Reply

  • Well written Pierre, I think Lambie’s looked much better in the last 2 or 3 games, but as for the rest of the season. He hasn’t been good in my opinion, so I agree. He’s done well tactically to improve his Bok chances, but he needs to find a balance again

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.05.13 11:37:58 by Ludz Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 1) : I’m not blaming then or saying they playing poorly, all I’m saying is Lambie is not playing the way we know him and to his ability. And Mvovo and JP is trying their best but the way the team is playing they are not utilised to their full potential

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.05.13 12:04:02 by pierre_mackie Reply
  • @Baylion (Comment 6) : I agree with you. Injuries do not allow for an effective rotation regime. Somehow pre- season prep fell short.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.05.13 12:11:56 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 8) : thanks Ludz, yes Lambie has been trying and we’ve seen abit more free play from him the last 2 games, like the two chip kicks behind the defenders, one ending in a try against Landers

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.05.13 12:12:59 by pierre_mackie Reply
  • smit talking about his new job position and having to possibly fire people in his capacity in the sunday times paper lol plum his talking to you take note

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.05.13 12:20:48 by Poisy Reply
  • @Baylion Ja boet don’t know why but it keeps on happenhng with the newest “choke” happening last week in the Vodacom cup play-offs against the Lions. Really gatvol of this happening and the powers that be seems unable or unwilling to change!!!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.05.13 12:40:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 13) : I don’t think the VC loss to the Lions can be seen as a choke. The Lions may not have many SR players in their team but it’s still a very experienced side that beat WP 6 tries to 2 yesterday. The South Section was always the weak section with the Lions, Pumas, Leopards and Griquas in the other one.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.05.13 12:52:40 by Baylion Reply

  • Our gameplan (kicking,bashing into opposition instead of space) didn’t suit Lambie. McLeod was needed to give him more time as well. Now little mistakes trip us up

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.05.13 12:56:46 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Too me its very simple guys. Coaching and managing a successful team is a combination of using the correct tactics (gameplan) and putting the players in the right place psychologically – this has to be a consistent thing.

    In essence a successful coach is a qualified psychologist as much as he is a good tactician!!

    Plum does neither!! One half of the year we play enterprising footy and the team plays hard for each other, and the rest of the time no one knows who is doing what…THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY.

    Everyone in world rugby (just about) will agree that the Sharks have a title contending squad – no doubts here:

    Lambie, Kankowski, Bismarck, Beast, JP, Mvovo, Ludik, Whitehead, PSDT, Jannie, Botes, Keegan, Deysel, ALberts, Bresler, Cooper, Jordaan, Viljoen, Bosman.

    I rate every single one of these players highly (and I have missed a few im sure) so if good players are not performing consistently – there is only one other place to look!!! MANAGEMENT

    Look at what Jake White can do with a good squad….and FYI that squad is not as good as ours, I dont care what others say

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.05.13 14:48:10 by pienaar111 Reply

  • And I agree with the Lambie comments.
    He has not been poor by any mean. But he has not even attempted to replicate his elusive performances of old. Yeah sure his kicking has improved but at what cost??

    Again he has not been poor, but has not nearly lived up to his true exceptional potential of previous years

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.05.13 15:24:49 by pienaar111 Reply

  • Imagine what Jake could do with the Sharks. We have the players.

    We still have to play the Bulls twice.
    Cheetahs wheels seems to come off.
    If we could turn it around this weekend with a BP win and we still have a bye coming and Bissie + Alberts returning. Imagine Bissie for 55mins and then unleashing Cooper for 25min.
    My loose trio 6. Coetzee 7. Alberts 8. Kanko/Mtembu
    With Deysel and Alberts rotating.
    So if we beat the Bulls away and home thats a 8/10 point going our way. Remember the Stormers already used up both their byes. Cheetahs will still have to entertain the Bulls. Time is now to start building.
    Go Sharks.
    From a whishfull thinking supporter.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.05.13 16:16:59 by DBOY Reply

  • @DBOY (Comment 18) : That’s very wishful thinking. We would probably have to win every game with a bonus point to make it into the play-offs, and even then, we would be in a traveling position like last year.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.05.13 16:41:34 by David12246 Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 16) :Most of the players named were badly injured pre-or during season. Planing against injuries of this magnitude is impossible I think

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.05.13 20:30:30 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Problem is that with the squad the Sharks had for the last couple of years they should have done better and won some tropheys!!!!!! Fact is Sharks are under performing and no amount of excuses will change that!!!!!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.05.13 20:49:41 by JD Reply
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  • That was all good until I got to the bit about Franco v/d Merwe. Part of the Sharks problem this year has been Plum’s blind faith in this very average player

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.05.13 22:24:51 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 22) : A blind faith shared by Heyneke Meyer…

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.05.13 22:29:13 by David12246 Reply

  • @DBOY (Comment 18) : Jake my arse. Has he won a Super 15 title. The guy should have been sacked as a Bok coach, was saved by an easy ride to the WC final, a great squad and Eddie Jones.

    The bloke is an arrogant fool, we dont need him back in SA. Did he not open his big mouth and piss the Stormers off this year.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.05.13 22:29:14 by Saffex Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 23) : Yeah good old Meyer with his 67% record

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.05.13 22:30:05 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 25) : Maybe it wasn’t clear but I was actually agreeing with you.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.05.13 23:01:37 by David12246 Reply

  • Why is that we have parts of every game where we go to sleep? Not just a little slow, but really out of it. Is it fitness? lack of focus? Against the Reds and the Chiefs we gave the game away in the first 20 minutes. We made basic errors and looked outclassed. Although we had injuries, in both cases the team on the park wasn’t terrible. Something fundamental is wrong. I can’t put my finger on it, but either certain core players have to move on or the coaching staff has to change. What makes it so frustrating as a fan is that every now and then we really click and its a beautiful sight to behold. You just think if only….

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.05.13 04:48:13 by MikeSebMatt Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 24) : if such a fool as you say, then how come has he managed to make the Brumbies something out of nothing players within his first year? I think YOU are the one being short sighted here.

    @Saffex (Comment 22) : I don’t think you remember how badly our line-outs was last year do you? Franco has helped us allot in that department btw. Again I think you are the one being blind.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.05.13 06:02:14 by Uli Reply
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  • I`d rather not make the top 6 at all than go through the inevitable disappointment again.

    Can`t wait for John Smit to take up his position and start kicking some serious butt.

    Plum needs to go, everyone can see this.
    Keegan needs to be ” rested” indefinately.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.05.13 06:46:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 29) : Now now, we all know the awesomeness that is Keegan Daniel. He should be confined to the bench until he gets back to his 2012 form.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.05.13 07:00:54 by David12246 Reply

  • @Uli (Comment 28) : agree, there’s just no way we have to give Jake White his dues, wherever he’s coached. He’s turned all teams he’s coached from average teams to champion teams. His Brumbies are probably a certainty for the play offs, compare that to where they were 2 years ago. He’s done a wonderful job and he’s a bloody good coach

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.05.13 07:23:17 by Ludz Reply

  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 20) : we have had injuries yes, but when have we actually been forced to field a a poor line up or poor combinations..??

    We have good front row options in Beast, Cooper, Burden, Herbst and Jannie that have all played.

    Good locks in PSDT, Bresler, vd Merwe, Marais (overlooked) who have all played.

    Excellent backrowers in Kankowski, Deysel, Botes, Daniel, Coetzee, Mtembu, Alberts who have all played.

    Not the biggest fan of our scrummies but theyr decent and have had Lambie outside all season.

    We have been poor in the centres and thats with players like Bosman, Jordaan and Steyn. Thats just poor form…

    Viljoen has done well in place of Ludik.

    Only the wings where we were stretched beyond the recognized quality, ie. when Robinson and Lindeque have played…

    YES the injury list has been extensive to say the least, and we would have been much better off with all the 1st choice players in the line-up, but nothing forgives players like these playing poorly as a team week in and week out.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.05.13 07:39:51 by pienaar111 Reply

  • @Uli (Comment 28) : Mate dont bother…He fails to see logic. IE. Frans Steyn has been kak all season and even the seasoned Sharks fans know it.

    Same with his Bosman hatred. I think its fair to say BOsman is NOT a world beater, but man he has been one of, if not the best, and most consistent backliner for us this season. And thats in a poor poorly performing team.

    Jake White is pure class. look at his track record. No need to convince him of this if everyone else already agrees

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.05.13 07:42:29 by pienaar111 Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 30) : Yep, agreed. Keegs on form is a pretty useful chap to have around.

    His situation is similar to Morne Steyn’s last year (and Habana and Spies in 2010). The coaches should know to drop a player that is not on form and let them regain their form at a lower level competition. That way you don’t harm the player’s confidence plus you don’t turn supporters into haters.

    In a sense the action taken with Kanko would be an example of how it should be handled, except that Kanko wasn’t out of form…

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.05.13 08:04:00 by King Shark Reply
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  • I may be mistaken, but hasnt lambie played all but 20 minutes so far this season? The team seems beset by a grim determination… I dont like grim determination, or anything with grim in it, except maybe one or two fairy tales. Players are meant to enjoy playing rugby, it is why they call it “playing” in the first place… Injuries aside, the guys need to lighten up and let their talent do the talking…

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.05.13 08:23:53 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 8) : @pienaar111 (Comment 32) : The Sharks at the moment are playing to make the Bok squad and not playing to win matches.

    Lambie’s moved from being an attacking player to kicking a lot. I still rate him hugely but compare him to last year (nefore the EOYT) and he’s changed his play a lot. He no longer unleashes his X-factor!

    The Sharks are playing Bulls rugby and, strangely enough, the Bulls are playing Sharks rugby. We don’t offload in the tackle anymore and are very predictable…slow ball to a pod of forwards who bashes up! No angles, no dummy-runners!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.05.13 08:25:32 by ChrisS Reply
  • @Saffex (Comment 24) :
    Haha – you just slated someone for being arrogant. 😯

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.05.13 08:26:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I think a lot of issues arised before the first match even began.

    If I think about it, a loose trio with Willem there is a different ball game altogether… And a front row with Bismarck is a different beast as well…

    Those two guys on their own, would’ve made a huge difference in the forwards. Maybe not because they will play every game like a house on fire, BUT because of the fire and attitude they would’ve / will create amongst the other 7 forwards. And the attitude is the big thing we are missing, we have a lot of youngsters there, and not really someone to fire them up and have the right attitude on the field.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.05.13 08:41:41 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @ChrisS (Comment 36) : Agree with your Bok selection comments.

    And the Bulls are nearly there. If the Bulls management realize the potential in that squad and eradicate the kicking habits of old – they will dominate. Look at when they have been forced to run against Reds, Brumbies, etc when the chips were down. AND BOOM they can do it. But they still lean to the tried and tested too much for my liking. But their are signs of improvement

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.13 08:41:55 by pienaar111 Reply

  • @ChrisS (Comment 36) : We offload more than most teams actually, it’s just not as effective as it used to be. I agree about everything else though. Last year we saw Lambie make at least a scintillating line break per game. We have not really seen a break from him all season. He is holding the team together well though. I just hope that the pressure now will force some good rugby into the guys. At least then, even if we don’t make the playoffs, we will have something to enjoy.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.13 08:42:29 by David12246 Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 38) : Keegan just can’t create this attitude and fire at the moment…

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.05.13 08:42:30 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 40) : Is there really still some pressure? We are pretty much dead and buried?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.05.13 08:43:43 by SharksRTB Reply

  • Can we all agree that the problem didn’t start this season with all our injuries? We should have taken the super rugby trophy last year with the players we had in our squad. We started last season like we just wanted to get it over with, then we woke up very late. There was/is something missing… Players aren’t playing for each other and with passion for the Sharks jersey. No heart or guts. Are they proud of being Sharks?

    Lambie is playing Heyneke rugby this season, think back at 2010 currie cup. He was on fire. Unpredictable and could spark anything from absolutely nothing.

    I am worried about Keegan as captain, it affects his play. He makes very poor decisions… Might be that he is under immense pressure at the moment, so that might also change. We miss a guy like John Smit, but then we also lost against the Bulls in 2007 Final.

    Jake turned an average bunch of guys into a very competitive rugby side, what would he be able to do with the super stars we have? This seasons injuries played a massive part in our poor performances, but would we win 90% of our games if we had all our players? Or would we slip up again?

    I don’t think we would take the trophy, although we should win every trophy in every competition every year. We have the biggest pool of talented players. Well definitely in South Africa.

    Maybe we will spark in the last few games and Plum will be forgiven AGAIN

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.05.13 08:45:55 by Christo Reply

  • Nice article Pierre, but its pretty ingenious just docking the Sharks 10 tries so that they can land up below the Stormers and Kings on the balance sheet. Fact is those tries were scored, they cant just be wished away.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.05.13 08:47:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • [email protected]Uli (Comment 28) : Agree that Franco definitely helps us to win our line outs, and even steal a couple from the opposition… But that is basically that?

    Can’t really think of anything else he brings to the field, except maybe executing some softish tackles, and being tackled easily and backwards because of a very straight up running style.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.05.13 08:48:52 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 16) : You hit the nail on the head with Jake White. In one season he took a team going nowhere fast and turned them around. This year they lead. He used to be an assistant coach – stats or something for the Sharks. We would do well to sell what silverware we have and buy him back.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.05.13 08:50:48 by Caratacus Reply

  • @Christo (Comment 43) : I agree with you completely, and definately not blaming the injuries; but it is a fact that some players tend to get those around them “fired-up” and playing with more guts, and we are missing that component big time!

    On John Smit, he wasn’t on the field when the decision was taken on who should kick that last conversion in 2007… If he was on the field, maybe we would’ve seen a different result?

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.05.13 08:52:17 by SharksRTB Reply

  • Look we all want answers and we want to see some serious action taken for the poor performances but I think the problem is about 60% injury related and 40% coach related.If guys like bissie, alberts,ludik and whitehead wasn’t injured the sharks would definitely have had a much better season.But the early injuries just made plums head spin even more and he really started loosing it, like the whole kankowski thing.Dont think john smith will fire guys right away.We may see plum in 2014 again and only see some changes in 2015.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.05.13 08:52:19 by tigershark Reply

  • Anybody have some info injury related after the Reds game?

    If I’m not mistaken, that was the 1st game this whole season where we didn’t have an injury?

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.05.13 08:56:54 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 47) : Very good point and I forgot about that… John is a legend, I hope he brings change to the union.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.05.13 08:58:33 by Christo Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 39) : Omg I used ‘their’ instead of ‘there’ at – ‘THERE are signs of improvement’

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.05.13 09:44:00 by pienaar111 Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 51) : Not too many people know the difference between to and too, their and there, of and off, lose and loose…

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.05.13 09:58:34 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 28) : What exactly did Jake do with the Brumbies in his first year, they never made the top 6.

    As for the crap that he had a bunch of nobodies to work with, what crap, its clear he had plenty of new talent to work with, much like most of the S15 sides.

    Franco is a average to poor lock and part of the reason the Sharks have been so poor this year. He has added no value at all and I see nothing beyond the norm in his line-out work. The man is a liability in the Sharks side, adds nothing with ball in hand or in the engine room.

    What Plum sees in this bloke is beyond me

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.05.13 10:53:23 by Saffex Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 33) : Track record – 67% win record as Bok coach. In the year leading up to the WC his record was 25%. Jake is an average coach with a massive ego and never knows when to keep his trap shut. He stuck his foot in it insulting the Irish and then did it again this year against the Stormers. His big gob, served to insight both teams to victory over his side.

    I dont hate Bosman you fool, I just think he is a bog ordinary player not good enough to play S15 rugby – its that simple

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.05.13 10:58:26 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 53) : Jake took over at a union in disarray – player revolts, new coaches every year, finishing 13th in 2011. In his first full year in charge (2012) the Brumbies finished at 58 points – missed out to the Reds on same total due to winning 1 fewer game and to the Bulls and Sharks on 59 points each).

    The guy is a good coach who is not scared to bring in strong characters to assist him – as opposed to many other SA coaches who seem to surround themselves with yes men. He puts a lot of effort into detail. He found a lot of his current players in the youth structures in other unions – he did not have a lot to work with.

    I am not saying the guy is perfect (he can be an arrogant twat), but to say he is an average coach is nonsense.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.05.13 11:25:12 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : thanks, I’m just trying to point out the lack of tries scored with a quality team like the Sharks, nothing wrong with scoring 10 tries, you would expect them to against the Rebels, but apart from that nothing else, which is disappointing

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.05.13 11:25:44 by pierre_mackie Reply
  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 56) : At least lately we have been scoring tries – some pretty good ones too

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.05.13 11:28:52 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 55) : Well 67% record as the Bok coach over 4 years, equates to average in my books.

    Missing out on the top 6 in the 2012 S15 equates to average in my book.

    If he was not such an arrogant twat, I might have given him a little more credit, but I dont rate him at all.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.05.13 11:37:27 by Saffex Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) : yeah we came backstrong last week against Landers and some creativity from Lambie, seems like they always play better when theres nothing to play for

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.05.13 11:40:29 by pierre_mackie Reply

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