Richard Ferguson

My Bok team

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 3 Jun 2013 at 08:45
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Following the announcement of the Springbok squad on Saturday evening, we have all had a few days to digest this. From the 34 man squad, is it possible to select a match 23 that can really do damage during the Rugby Championship?

The answer is simple. Yes. Heyneke Meyer has gone from backing his favourites in light blue to picking form players, regardless of their franchise. His inclusion of Lourens Adriaanse and Trevor Nyakane over Bulls props is testament to that.

Yes, the team has a slight light blue tinge to it, but surely it should if you look at the Super Rugby log as it stands this morning.

Let’s get into the thick of things and select a team.

The front row is one of the easier selections to make, should all three be fit and ready, Beast, Bismarck and Jannie should be the first choice. As for the first test against Italy, I am quite sure that Adriaan Strauss will start ahead of Bismarck, who is yet to play any top flight rugby this year.

As for the second row, we all know who we want to see locking down. The reality though is that Juandre Kruger and Eben Etzebeth have played together before for the Springboks, and I won’t be surprised to see them start with Pieter-Steph du Toit on the bench.

The loose trio is certainly tricky to call. I know who I want to see play, but whether Heyneke agrees is a completely different story. My preferred trio would see Francois Louw, Arno Botha and Pierre Spies starting. Lappies Labuschagne has been in great form, so to see him ahead of Arno Botha will not be a surprise. Neither will seeing Willem Alberts surprise me, but he has not quite hit full throttle since coming back from injury. Marcell Coetzee and Siya Kolisi are set to fight it out for a spot on the bench.

The halfbacks are a bit easier to select, and I think my selection will mirror what Heyneke picks – Ruan Pienaar and Morne Steyn starting. Francois Hougaard has one role in this team and that is to cover scrumhalf and wing from the bench. Unfortunately, the same fate awaits Pat Lambie, who will cover flyhalf and fullback from the bench.

Another youngster is set to make a name for himself in midfield. Jan Serfontein, after his withdrawal from the Baby Boks, is set to be promised a start alongside captain Jean de Villiers. The exact make-up of the combination is yet to be seen but I would prefer Jan at 12 and Jean outside him.

The back three will be another tough selection. The wings should really be Bryan Habana and Lwazi Mvovo, but I suspect Bjorn Basson will get the call ahead of Mvovo. Mvovo has been in some good form for the Sharks, and taking into account the form of the Sharks overall, that is saying something. As for fullback, Zane Kirchner came off the bench in the Bulls’ victory over the Cheetahs, so his fitness seems to be of no concern. I would prefer a running fullback in Willie le Roux to Kirchner, but Heyneke will favour his tried and tested fullback.

Springbok squad:

Forwards (19): Tendai Mtawarira, Lourens Adriaanse, Trevor Nyakane, Jannie du Plessis, Coenie Oosthuizen, Adriaan Strauss, Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Eben Etzebeth, Flip van der Merwe, Juandré Kruger, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Siya Kolisi, Francois Louw, Marcell Coetzee, Willem Alberts, Arno Botha, Lappies Labuschagne, Pierre Spies.

Backs (15): Jano Vermaak, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Hougaard, Pat Lambie, Morné Steyn, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, Jan Serfontein, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Lwazi Mvovo, Bjorn Basson, Gio Aplon, Zane Kirchner, Willie le Roux.

So, from the squad above, herewith my match 23, followed by the likely Heyneke Meyer match 23:

Richard’ 23: 15. Willie le Roux, 14. Lwazi Mvovo, 13. Jean de Villiers, 12. Jan Serfontein, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Morne Steyn, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Arno Botha, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Eben Etzebeth, 4. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Adriaan Strauss, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
Bench: 16. Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Juandre Kruger, 20. Willem Alberts, 21. Francois Hougaard, 22. Pat Lambie, 23. JJ Engelbrecht

Heyneke’s 23: 15. Zane Kirchner, 14. Bjorn Basson, 13. Jean de Villiers, 12. Jan Serfontein, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Morne Steyn, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Juandre Kruger, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Adriaan Strauss, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
Bench: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20. Arno Botha, 21. Francois Hougaard, 22. Pat Lambie, 23. Willie le Roux


  • I would have Labuschagne at 7 and Arno Botha at 8. Bismarck on the bench – need to get him into shape before the RC

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.06.13 08:57:40 by Bokhoring Reply
  • The most difficult team to select right now would be new coaching staff. In all honesty we have nothing in the form of class coaches coming through the ranks.

    Hawies Fourie is probably the only one showing potential out of all the current SR coaches in SA. That is bad.

    We have a lot of focus on player development (to a certain extent), a lot of focus on referee development, but nothing much is being done about developing coaches and bringing them up through the ranks.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.06.13 09:51:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • I also think Labuschagne has been in better form this season.

    But for the most part I agree with your team Rich.

    I just don’t like that Lambie would get dropped when his form clearly has so much to do with the form of his team. I feel he should be given a start based on the potential he’s shown year after year and then finally on the end of year tour last year for the Boks.

    We already know what we got in Morne Steyn and I think Lambie has more to offer.

    It’s much harder to argue with the respective form of the two players though.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.06.13 09:51:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 3) : If Heyneke is to reward form, then Morne must start. Starting Lambie would contradict the message that he just conveyed with his selections. I would, however, give Lambie 20 to 30 minutes of the game, just to see how he performs when the rest of the team performs.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.06.13 10:07:51 by King Shark Reply
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  • Pat Lambie doesn’t deserve to wear the Springbok 10 jersey ahead of Morne Steyn.

    Steyn has done nothing this year to warrant being dropped, while Lambie has done nothing to warrant a call up.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.06.13 10:28:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • According to Sarugbymag Jean has injured his hamstring and probably won’t play, do we then bring DeJongh straight in from injury?

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.06.13 10:43:56 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) :

    You would probably find that Bryan Habana will shift into 13, Jean at 12 and Mvovo and Basson on the wings.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.06.13 10:45:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) :

    Or, does Robert Ebersohn warrant a call up?

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.06.13 10:46:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Pat at 12?

    I don’t think it would fit our game plan, but an interesting thought nevertheless.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.06.13 10:49:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I would rather have Mvovo left wing with the more experienced Habana on the right. In addition, you need a tight-head on the bench. It’s the rules. I would go for Herbst!

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.06.13 11:00:08 by David12246 Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 10) :

    Coenie is the tighthead on the bench..

    And Mvovo is on the right because of his left boot..

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.06.13 11:01:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : Except that Steyn has made it clear that he now wants to play in France at the end of the season.

    Explain to me why we are so fickle when it comes to certain positions ,such as flyhalf ,but will walk through dog shit and into the dinning room with other players i.e Juandre Kruger. There are gaping holes in Steyns general play ,too big to ignore for a flyhalf and choosing him is a step backwards. So now isn’t the time to be civil. Lambie is a step up on any other flyhalf currently playing in South Africa and we will waste his formative years playing kak blue bulls drivel or sitting on the bench and getting 5 minutes of play where he cannot play instinctively.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.06.13 11:01:57 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : If he is left footed which way would he pass then, hmmm? passing less important than kicking now?

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.06.13 11:04:37 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 12) :

    So what if he plays in France. Francoid Louw plays in England and Ruan Pienaar in Ireland – yet they are in the team?!

    Lambie is not miles ahead of any other flyhalf in SA. Have you seen any of his games lately?

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.06.13 11:05:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Woke up on the wrong side of the bed 😡 and then read something about Ryan Kankowski and Pat Lambie 👿

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.06.13 11:05:22 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 13) :

    What does it matter which foot he kicks with?

    And he is a wing, how often does he pass anyway??

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.06.13 11:06:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 13) :

    Actually, he should be able to pass both ways, but if he plays right, and someone is outside him, he would be able to actually pass to his right.

    Didn’t think that one through did you?

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.06.13 11:08:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) : Yes ,the last game he played ,despite being poor in patches with his out of hand kicking (the only measure of a flyhalf we seem to have)he attacked the gain line more aggressively and with more intent than you would ever see morne steyn doing. He tackles harder and more accurately and isn’t afraid of contact whereas Morne does his best interpretation of Gary the tooth fairy whenever JPP lines him up…

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.06.13 11:10:19 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 18) :

    Yet, somehow, Morne is leading all the points scored stats this year, getting his team to the top of the South African conference and will in all likelihood win the cup.

    Steyn deserves to start, end of story.

    We cannot go calling for his head one season, because he is off form, and then when he does have form, drop him simply because you don’t like him.

    If Steyn had been playing like Lambie has, then by all means, send him packing. Fact is, he hasn’t. He has been the in form flyhalf in South Africa, kicking and attacking rugby wise.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.06.13 11:13:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Im assuming that he kicks with the same side that he would pass with. You said it was left meaning he will pass well to the right ,if he is on the right wing how will that work as he will have to pass in field?

    Any way ,I didn’t mean to come across the way I did.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.06.13 11:13:52 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 19) :And how is that a fair comparison when you look at the respective teams they play for and the circumstances surrounding those teams.
    Probably in the context of Meyers archaic game plan he is a better candidate. There is no way in hell that he is a better all round player than Lambie.

    Kicking stats should never be considered a true measuring stick for a flyhalf.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.06.13 11:18:43 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 20) :

    The point being he is able to pass to someone outside him.

    You can ask the same question when he plays on the other side – How would he pass to another player outside him?

    The plus side of him playing on the right is that he can clear and actually find touch in a defensive situation.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.06.13 11:22:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 21) :

    Kicking at goal is not the primary function of a flyhalf?

    That is new to me!

    Steyn fits Meyer’s plan – surely he should then play. PLaying Lambie in a game plan that is not suited to his strengths is surely not fair? You are forcing an attacking player to not do what he does best?

    I never said one player is more complete a player than the other. The point was to select a Bok 23 to play against Italy. That would assume they play to Heyneke Meyer’s plan.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.06.13 11:24:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) : The time a wing receives a ball the most is probably when gathering kicks ,along with his fullback, meaning a right wing would need to be able to pass left ,another time would be when he recieved the ball from set piece.
    In any case ,there shouldn’t be a player in Super Rugby who cant pass with both hands.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.06.13 11:28:54 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 24) :

    So if passing is not looked into, surely your kicking side should determine which side you play?

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.06.13 11:36:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : No its not his primary role. 😡

    Yes that’s what I said ,maybe I should have added that my gripe is also with the old fartedlyminded coaching staff we have. Doesn’t it bother you that our most deadly attacking weapon so far has been our driving maul?!?! We will never be able to put the All Blacks away for more than 3 games in a row because we rely so heavily on structure, they don’t and as such we will battle to analyse them.

    I know it’s in your best interest to be diplomatic, but I would like to see a response article from you that highlighted the game you would like to play with the players you would select.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.06.13 11:40:23 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 25) : Im not confident Mvovo can pass with his strong hand even 😆 which was my initial concern :mrgreen:
    Unless you are ambidextrous, you should have a more competent side that you favor.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.06.13 11:41:41 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 26) :

    In the current Springbok setup, I’m sorry to inform you that kicking is indeed the flyhalf’s primary role.

    As for the tactics and the use of the maul, that is a completely different point.

    There is nothing we can do about Meyer and his game plan, so why waste hours debating how it should be.

    Currently, this is what we have to deal with, and with him at the helm, I think this is the best bet. It is not fact, it is simply an opinion.

    I’d love to see the Springboks play an attacking style of rugby where Lambie would actually work. Sadly though, there is not a coach in SA that can get that out of his players. The closest to that is Naka Drotske, and if you look at the Cheetahs beyond what they have achieved this season, he aint exactly a world beater.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.06.13 11:46:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : Coenie at tight-head? I dunno, his scrummaging there is very questionable. I would put him at loose-head cover from the bench.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.06.13 11:52:59 by David12246 Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 29) :

    In that case I will simply replace Nyakane with Adriaanse.. Doesn’t make much difference at the end of the day..

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.06.13 11:53:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I already posted this on a different article, but I think it’s worth sharing with those who didn’t see it. The problem with HMs game-plan is that he was expected to get the job back in 2008 instead of PdV. He almost certainly devised his game-plan then, and I am sure that he built the entire thing around Fourie du Preez. If you just watch our end of the year tour last year, our style of play is very du Preezesque. The reason it wasn’t REALLY working was because we had Pienaar at 9, who is good, but no du Preez. HM needs to have rewritten his game-plan, this time working to play far more off the flyhalf like everyone else in the world, because without du Preez, scrumhalf play doesn’t work as well. That’s my theory…

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.06.13 11:56:28 by David12246 Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : Exactly ,I agree with you there. Its a sad state of affairs we let ourselves get into. The game plan is a step backwards ,end of story.

    Steven Hansen on the other hand looks like he is taking the Kiwis to a new level. They are at the forefront of dynamic play. I read an article that said that the AB’s are leaning towards a more improvised game plan within their pre-existing structures, meaning you can expect more tries being scored against us that resemble the one that the Highlanders (the pass and no look pop between Aaron Smith and Ben Smith try)scored against us. How do you defend against that? How do we compete with that when their players are the same size as ours?

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.06.13 11:56:56 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 30) : I also reckon that Coenie will be the impact prop, and Adriaanse the emergency cover.

    Don’t see Nyakane making the 23 at this stage.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.06.13 11:57:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 32) :

    Simply put – We won’t compete until we get world class coaches..

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.06.13 11:58:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 31) : I would feel alot happier if we had a player the caliber of Du Preez at scrumhalf.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.06.13 11:59:56 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 34) : Yes . Do you feel confident that Morne Steyn would be able to read and then defend that type of dynamic play?

    I remember a season or two ago when Quade Cooper tore the Bulls into shreds with his passing game. You could actually see Wynands jaw drop ,he reminded me of a cat when you tease it with a lazer 😆 😆

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.06.13 12:03:53 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 36) :

    I doubt that any South African flyhalf would be able to defend well against that.

    The thing is, the New Zealanders, for all their dynamic play, has a terrible record against Australian teams in this years Super Rugby comp.

    So whatever they are trying, I don’t think it is quite working yet..

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.06.13 12:06:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : Lambie could.

    Probably a number of factors we could point out there from varying game plans to poor form to ausies playing their hearts out every game for a chance to play the B&I Lions. We know ,however ,who will more than likely be top dog among the Southern Hemisphere teams.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.06.13 12:09:47 by Talent Reply
  • Our only advantage over them is our driving maul…

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.06.13 12:10:57 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 38) :

    I think the Aussies will be tough to beat this year, come the Rugby Championship.

    Their prep going into it is much tougher, they have had a few less injuries than the All Blacks. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Aussies win it this year, but it will surely be between those two, SA don’t stand a chance..

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.06.13 12:13:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Im going back to bed this conversation is depressing

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.06.13 12:15:09 by Talent Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : I wouldnt mind Eberson in the squad at all but i would not have him run at 13. Habana isnt the worst idea but he is always slipping and falling all over the place.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.06.13 12:40:40 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) :
    Richard Reading some of the other articles this morning a thing that comes to mind is the big difference between Players that is making it, and those who don’t. And one of the Big factors is exposure, or lack there off. I am very glad to see players like JAN Serfontein, coming through but I read Wynand Olivier saying that he has to move on and that he felt his responsibility lifted by youngsters coming on to the scene like Venter, Engelbrecht and Serfontein, a welcome Balance that must be said is lacking at the Sharks. I feel like we are lacking in this department at the Sharks. Serfonteins first few Games at the Bulls he was very quiet and I was stressing that the Kid is not going to shine as expected, and then he found his feet at the 5th 6th game. We sign Young Sean Robinson a very young Talent(exceptional) and we give him one game to give us a show then we replace him with a 2nd rate lions player? just makes no sense. We however got it right with Du Toit and Lambie however we seem to foreget it very quickly. That also leaves a very Good Question Open? where are all the other young Prodigies of South African Rugby, Player like Lane, Quin Roux(very exciting YOUNGSTER), tIM sWIEL(BEST young talent I have ever seen) are these not player who should be targeted after sifting our own Talent? they seem to look like very young and cheap investments for Sharks Rugby? A nother player who I think is maybe the biggest lost underdog of SA Talent is Dries Swanepoel(Grey 13), who PLayed with Serfontein he is the closest thing I’ve seen to a complete 13 in a couple of years in SA Rugby. where is he? think he was heading to Bulls? I mean the above mentioned youngsters have all the pedigree of Internationale Players…Tim Swiel who the Lions are after now is a exceptional rugby Player. South Africas O’cONNER. My Question is, in your opinion do the Sharks have the attitude(Balance) that attracts young players, because I think we had the track record to Back it but at the moment I am not experiencing it. and Second whey not invest in these players lost to the system? Do you merit buying a Tim Swiel with other young players already in the Sharks system?

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.06.13 12:56:26 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 43) :

    not sure if there is a question in there somewhere, but I agree with some of what you say regarding lost talent.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.06.13 13:00:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 43) : paragraphs dude.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.06.13 13:02:05 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @BoerSeun (Comment 43) : Dries Swanepoel is in the baby bok squad…

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 44) : @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 45) : @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    My Big Q: A) There is some young talent at the Sharks that we are not giving the opportunity or Support/Balance(looks like it), who is responsible for this, and are these responsible Parties/System identifiable?

    B)There are some young players there for the Picking, Roux, Swiel, Lane, Swanepoel-Doesn’t it make Business sense to swoop these boys up?

    C)Are these boys willing to play for the Sharks with our Current unwillingness to give youngsters opportunity?(in other words if this was your Boy, would you advise them under current situation to go play for the Sharks).VERY SAD eXAMPLE: JANDRE Marais vs ‘sKETS’ van der Merwe?

    D)why Do young PLayers at the Brumbies, Bulls and Crusaders Fit into there Teams with MORE ease? What is this a reflection of at the Sharks?

    Maybe all of the above is Bullshit and the Sharks have the Best young talent Record off all Teams- we just don’t know the Stats TO proof it. Thus Plum and team are the Best in the business, the system is just not protecting them or the players?

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.06.13 13:39:54 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I rate Dries, he will be a Future Bok, has the talent to outplay/outlast injury prone Engelbrecht-he doesn’t have that opportunistic Jordaan quality but I think is more solid in one on one encounters(looks a lot like MILLS MULIAHINA at 13 for the All Blacks back in the Day. reat to see him back! sad that its also in the Zoo Blue.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.06.13 13:47:52 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 47) :

    Much easier to answer that, thank you:

    1. Yes there it, as far as I know, Rudolf is in charge of the youngsters.

    2. Yes and No. Yes if the Sharks Academy is not producing any talent in said positions. No if these players are seeking guaranteed first team rugby.

    3. I do not think the environment at the Sharks at the moment is susceptible to youngsters coming through. That is likely to change though once a broom sweeps clean. An example is Marius Joubert’s continual selection when there are talented youngsters able to take his jersey.

    4. It is their handling. At those teams mentioned, young players are given the opportunity to play small amounts of time, with little or no pressure to get into the think of things. Once comfortable, they get more and more game time. At the Sharks, players are thrust into key matches when injuries occur, and not through some form of building.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.06.13 14:00:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 49) : spot on and couldn’t have answered it better

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.06.13 14:18:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : I would be interested in seeing your picks, Rob.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.06.13 14:44:49 by David12246 Reply

  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 49) : thanks Ferguson, I have heard some shocking Struili stories regarding young talent and promises made. I think John Smit is lining himself up for a very tough time. He needs a Director of Rugby(HOPEFULLY NOT commercial MANAGER) like Solomons, White type individual where he can remove himself from the job of cleaning house HIMSELF. He needs to buy into JOhn Smits Vision and be able to assemble a Team that will be able to pull off his Mission, he must understand politics of Sport in South Africa(South African) and be a very Good Coach himself-does this man excist in South Africa? Dont know? I DONT THINK SO? Eddie Jones comes to mind as a NOn SAFFA.

    any suggestions on the Following?

    Sharks Selection Policy Change/cULTURE?
    Sharks Coaches? HAWIES FOURIE, Gert Small
    Sharks Long Term Captain? PAT Lambie
    Director of Rugby/Commercial Manager? Eddie Jones/Plum

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.06.13 14:52:49 by BoerSeun Reply

  • Rich btw, I agree that Lambie on current form should not be chosen ahead of Morne Steyn, but if you’re looking ahead more than just the next game or the next couple of games, I believe that it should be Lambie that should be backed until the coaches has identified that he cannot make it at international level or until he has established himself. If Johan Goosen wasn’t injured I would have wanted him and Lambie to have been the front runners, with the one in better form getting the nod.

    As it is Steyn showed better form in a stronger team, and I won’t be mad if he gets selected, but I think it would be a very narrow minded selection, as we should be building a team around a talented flyhalf, who in my opinion, has potential to become so much more than Morne ever was for the Boks.

    If it wasn’t for injuries to a few other young players, I would have said the same for their positions.

    I think young talented players should get the backing of their coaches even when they haven’t had the greatest provincial season.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.06.13 14:55:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • If you don’t back – Lambie, Goosen, Jantjies, Demetri and others now, you will lose them to European clubs even before the world cup comes around.

    You need to pick the guys you’re going to back and show some faith in their abilities. Lambie didn’t suddenly become a bad player, just as Morne didn’t last year (he was still the same player, only last year he couldn’t convert any of his kicks, which exposed his shortcomings in other areas of his game, since he couldn’t just make up for it with a last minute conversion).

    My point being, I never felt like Morne should have been dropped because of his form, but rather because there were so many other young players that showed that they could be better and offer more than Morne on his best day.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.06.13 15:01:16 by Letgo Reply
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  • Bok Team:

    15. Aplon, 14. Le Roux/Hougie, 13. Jean de Villiers, 12. Jan Serfontein, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Super Pat, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Willem Alberts, 7.Arnu Botha , 6. Francois Louw, 5. Pieter Steph, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Adriaan Strauss, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
    Bench: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Kruger, 20. Spies, 21. Francois Hougaard, 22. Steyn, 23. Kurchner

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.06.13 15:06:32 by BoerSeun Reply

  • It saddens me that Pear Spear is back in the driving seat.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.06.13 15:11:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Letgo (Comment 53) :
    @Letgo (Comment 54) :

    So what you are saying is that we should make Pat Lambie Springbok flyhalf so that he can get some form back and show us that he is actually a kicking flyhalf, and not an attacking, full of running flyhalf?

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.06.13 15:17:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 52) :

    All of those questions you pose at the end of your comment depends on a coach.

    If we are to stick with Plumtree, we would need a player manager in the setup asap. Should we get a new coach with better management skills, we might have to look at specialists in other areas. You know what I mean?

    As for a captain, I think we need to look at a young player and back them. We did that with John Smit and look what we produced.

    I don’t know him well enough to make the call, but perhaps look at an up and coming player and get him involved from a young age, someone like du Toit or Reinach. If they are leaders, make them captain. But to just select someone now, that would not work.

    It needs to be a process.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.06.13 15:20:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Nobody should ever need to play themselves into form in the Bok colours.

    We’re South Africa FFS, if a player isnt in form he needs to make way for the next oke that is in form.

    The Bok jersey should never be the place where a player goes to find form.

    I cannot stand Morne, but even I can admit there isnt another flyhalf in SA at the moment that can touch him.
    And please dont try to change Lambie into a kicking flyhalf. Ever.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.06.13 15:46:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • South Africa needs a Balanced Flyhalf, Lambie needs time to settle into a game Meyer must not dictate to Lambie as Pieter Russow does at the Bulls.

    The Bulls have calls for every position on the Field(grid). regardless of the state of PLay…this is the style of Nick MALLET GOLDEN ERA also being used by all coached from his era like Pieter Russouw(and now Chris Russouw aT MATIES). this is terrible for a player.

    LAMBIE BY NATURE is not your average boy. He excels at all aspects in live, he doesn’t let any one push him if he doesn’t believe in the cause. He doesn’t even react if he is forced to drink after a game. How can U force a player like that to play by the predestined rules of a play book. its not NATURAL in his character to comply to this.

    You can even see the influence of this type of play on Serfonteins Game Saturday. They are mentored to have a few key Jobs and if they move outside that he fore instance must stay on his feet long enough and create time for the forwards to arrive as a unit and create go forward, thus taking away his first instinct to create space on all sides to get go forward.

    Its a way of playing Rugby-its not wrong its just limited to the vision in the COACHING bOX, I use to be a 97kg Flyhalf and I played 10 and 12 for most of my small career. I hated this style of play, but this was my role because thats how the Coaches wanted to use my size and speed.

    I just don’t think Lambie fits into this molded way of play, and if DAN CARTER was Pretoria South African then maybe he would have been a accountant.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.06.13 15:49:39 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 59) :

    Thank you!

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.06.13 15:51:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 59) : ABOVE INSERT

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.06.13 15:53:14 by BoerSeun Reply

  • My Bok team:

    1. Beast
    2. Strauss
    3. du Plessis
    4. du Toit
    5. Etzebeth
    6. Louw
    7. Alberts
    8. Spies
    9. Pienaar
    10. Lambie
    11. Mvovo
    12. Serfontein
    13. de Villiers
    14. Habana
    15. le Roux

    16. du Plessis
    17. Oosthuizen
    18. Adriaanse
    19. Kruger
    20. Labuschagne
    21. Hougaard
    22. Steyn
    23. Engelbrecht

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.06.13 16:17:26 by David12246 Reply

  • @David12246 (Comment 63) :

    I’m struggling with Alberts. But then who to replace him with?
    Would also replace Mvovo with Aplon.

    Agree with the rest, well except for Pienaar. Have never liked him.
    Oh, and also Lambie – I just dont think his form warrants inclusion.

    But the rest is okay.

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.06.13 18:22:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @BoerSeun (Comment 60) :
    Very interesting post.

    97kg flyhalf? Thats just not fair. 😉

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.06.13 20:14:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 64) : And would surely have to make way for Deon Fourie? And Joe Pietersen?

    Seriously ,how do you struggle with Alberts. He is the quintessential ball carrier.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.06.13 20:21:46 by Talent Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 64) : I really do not like Aplon in a Bok jersey. He is good at SR level but is just not up for test level. He really is just too small. His defense sucks! Not Bok worthy in the slightest…

    I think Alberts will regain his form very quickly. Even off form he is a useful player to have.

    Lambie is our flyhalf moving forward. He is hardly playing spectacularly, but he is certainly not playing badly. I honestly believe he outplayed Steyn in their match last weekend. Steyn just kicked more goals… He is the best 10 in SA at the moment. Not to mention we need consistency moving into the RC, so we shouldn’t play Steyn.

    I play Pienaar because he is our best option at the moment. In the future, after a bit more experience, I would like to see Reinach get a shot (maybe needs kicking work).

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.06.13 20:59:01 by David12246 Reply

  • My 23 would be:

    15. le Roux 14. Mvovo 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. Hougaard 1. Beast 2. Strauss(c) 3. Coenie 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kolisi 7. Labascagne 8. Botha 16. Bismark 17. Jannie 18. Flip 19. Coetzee 20. Pienaar 21. Morne 22. Jean

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.06.13 22:06:22 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 68) : Someone who sees sense (in terms of 10 that is)!

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.06.13 22:37:40 by David12246 Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 68) : Probably the team I like the most so far. Many areas I disagree on but the inclusion of Kolisi and Lambie makes it so much better. Dont know if I mentioned Kolisi in mine… 😆 😆

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.06.13 01:22:07 by Talent Reply
  • Maybe on a different thread:
    1.Beast/Coenie -would compliment Herbst well
    8.Alberts-interchange loosies
    13.Fourie(need a general in the backline aswell as a big strike runner -you dont get much better -beyond world class)
    14.Habana/Le Roux
    15.Le Roux/Ludick(purely for his arial skills and granite like defense)

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.06.13 01:26:56 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 71) : may have changed slightly

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.06.13 01:28:03 by Talent Reply
  • @Saffex (Comment 68) : Good team…but how you can select Hougie at #9 ahead of either Pienaar and Vermaak this season is sad. You mentioned the other day that Hougie is on form etc….all articles point to the contrary..his only value is versatility from the bench.

    But otherwise a very good team. No 1D flyhalf near the BOks and no showpony at #8. Still wouldn’t pick Coenie ahead of Jannie though. not against Italian scrum

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.06.13 02:35:02 by pienaar111 Reply

  • If there is any debate on scrumhalf then I have 2 words for you….

    RORY KOCKOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Almost single handedly took a low budget team to the French Top14 title over giants, Toulouse, Toulon, Clermont, Montpellier, Stade….

    Don’t worry we have got McLeod though…
    Once again another Plum royal f#####…Robdylan do you know if Kockott was a problem within the camp (off the field etc.))

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.06.13 02:51:18 by pienaar111 Reply

  • @pienaar111 (Comment 73) : I have no issue with Hougaards form, I dont need articles to rely on. Vermaak has been good but Hougie is a far better player.

    Pienaar is a boring 9 these days. He has been average in Ireland, making a name for himself kicking for poles.

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.06.13 23:03:02 by Saffex Reply


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