Richard Ferguson

Alberts out of Italy clash


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 7 Jun 2013 at 13:36
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Willem Alberts has been replaced by Arno Botha in the starting team to face Italy tomorrow.

Alberts picked up an oblique abdominal strain during the week, and has failed to recover in time to play tomorrow.

With the call up, Botha makes his test debut in this match, along with Willie le Roux and Jano Vermaak.

The open spot on the bench goes to Marcell Coetzee.

Updated team:

Springboks: 15. Willie le Roux, 14. Bryan Habana, 13. JJ Engelbrecht, 12. Jean de Villiers (Capt), 11. Bjorn Basson, 10. Morne Steyn, 9. Jano Vermaak, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Arno Botha, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Juandre Kruger, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Adriaan Strauss, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.

Substitutes: 16. Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Coenie Oosthuizen, 19. Flip van der Merwe, 20. Marcell Coetzee, 21. Ruan Pienaar, 22. Pat Lambie, 23. Jan Serfontein.


61 Comments

  • Balls.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.06.13 13:38:06 by PTAShark Reply
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  • ag fuck

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.06.13 13:39:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • Alberts hasn’t really regained his pre-injury form. I don’t think this is negative for the Boks at all,Arno is probably in better form.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.06.13 13:40:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    And 100% fit!

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.06.13 13:41:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Sharks players are dropping like flies. 😯

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.06.13 13:42:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • I would have prefered Arno at 8 and Lappies at 7 rather.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.06.13 13:48:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • BLOU BOKKE!!! YEEEHAAAAA!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.06.13 13:49:44 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) :

    Arno hasn’t played 8 at all this season.

    Plus, having two inexperienced players in the loose trio might not be the greatest move.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.06.13 13:50:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Explain to me how Coetzee is behind this oke? Meyer is dreaming

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.06.13 13:54:05 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 9) : Meaning Arno Botha

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.06.13 13:55:01 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 10) :

    Arno is in much better form than Coetzee.

    Plus, if anybody is to feel unlucky here, it must be Lappies..

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.06.13 13:56:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Currently Deysel is better than Botha ,this is close to nepotism(the Bulls are like a family its always been said)

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.06.13 13:57:18 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 12) : Botha was in imperious form against the Cheetahs putting Britney Spies to shame. I would also have liked to see a trio of Flouw, Lappies and Arno against the Italians.

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.06.13 14:00:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : I understand if Meyer is giving the guy a chance to see what he is made of, but why not give the chance to Lappies ?

    Coetzee has been in poor form relative to his own high standards, but there have been mitigating issues for that. Ive always been a fan of Botha ,but how can he not be a regular starter for the Bulls and crack the nod ahead of players who have been in better form? Half the Kings loose-forwards have been as good if not better??? Explain

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.06.13 14:01:55 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 14) :

    Look, I am not saying that Botha is the best bet here. But he has been in superior form to Coetzee. You cannot call for Coetzee to start with the likes of Botha, Lappies etc in the squad.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.06.13 14:06:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Meyers man management is poor .He should just choose the Blue Bulls 1-23 ,be done with it ,make no apologies and have a crack at the World Cup and that elusive 80% win record he harped on about. As it is he gives an inform player the reigns(probably due to media pressure)and drops him at the first sight of poor form.

    For all PDV quirks one thing I admired about the man is the conviction and belief he had in the players he picked.

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.06.13 14:10:05 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 14) : just curious what issues have there been resulting in his lack of form this season? the last few games have been much better imo but he looked very one dimensional early in the season.

    Also is MC considered a ball carrier, a fetcher or a combination of the two?

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.06.13 14:18:59 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 16) :

    You have REALLY dark black tinted glasses!

    Put your green ones on. Your extreme hate for anything blue is disturbing. 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.06.13 14:23:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) :

    I know but wasn’t 8 Arno’s preferred position before.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.06.13 14:24:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) :

    Yeah, I think it might have been.

    But that is the same as asking for Lambie to play 15, after a season of playing flyhalf.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.06.13 14:26:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Arno played for the Junior Boks at 8

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.06.13 14:27:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : Agree completely. Not in the team, but i would have had Brüssow, lappies and Arno with Flouw on the bench.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.06.13 14:27:44 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) :

    Still a better bet than Spies! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.06.13 14:28:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 9) : Marcel needs to add variation to his game. he needs to learn to link with other players. he is an industrious defender, and carries fairly well, but is very one-dimensional. Deysel had the same problem, plus coughing up the ball, but was much better this year.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.06.13 14:30:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : Yip – the rest of the trio will have to carry the invisible man again. Only place where he is useful is at the back of the line out

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.06.13 14:32:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 16) : Arno had been the best loose forward at the Bulls this year, regardless of whether he started or not. He is effective whether he starts or comes off the bench. Much like Skinstad was in his day.

    But in saying that, I would have kept him on the bench with Lappies starting, for impact, in Spies’ place. Kolisi on bench even. MC lucky to be on the bench based on form.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.06.13 14:32:52 by Bloembull Reply

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  • OK now we need to work out how to worm the rest of the Sharks players out of the squad. Dont want them crocked for a set of nothing tests, rather have them fighting fit for the Sharks and the 4 Nations games.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.06.13 14:36:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 16) : That is a bit over the top! Your provincial petticoat is dragging the ground.

    In which position is there a Bulls player that is totally not their on merit? Maybe Spies, but as RF said, you can’t just throw all the newcomers in, and not get burned.

    The front row almost picks itself, with Nyakane, adriaanse, and Coenie undoubtedly the form props.

    With Bissie out, Chilli is definately third choice, even though I like Cooper.

    Juandre has been the standout 5, with Bekker out anyway. PSDT would have been in, so Flip is a shoo in with Lood still a greenhorn, and Willemse injured.

    There are players that are unlucky, but that will always be the case. van Zyl, Brüssow are definately players that must have been very close.

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.06.13 14:40:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) :

    I would add Herbst in the front row as unlucky, but Nyakane and Adriaanse deserve to be there nonetheless.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.06.13 14:42:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) : Green ones are on ! Bulls at one point were my 2nd side ,the days of FDP and Bakkies.

    The fact is there are players selected for the Springboks that are not the best in their respective positions and few of you would disagree with me. Juandre Kruger IS NOT Springbok quality ,Arno Botha’s short cameos pale in comparison to the Trojan like efforts of Kolisi week in and out, Basson is not better than Mvovo or Aplon ,Spies ,Steyn ,Vermaak arent the best in their positions.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.06.13 14:48:14 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : Do you think its fair that Jan Serfontein is chosen ahead of Rob Ebersohn? Juandre Kruger is a passenger in that side ,if you don’t agree with me we have nothing else to talk about .

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.06.13 14:50:09 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : In one game vs the Kiwis Flip proved his worth 100 times over and beyond what Kruger could ever do on the field.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.06.13 14:52:06 by Talent Reply
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  • Cheers all have a good weekend !

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.06.13 14:52:46 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : With the way the Bulls scrum got annihilated by Beast and Jannie, you cannot not pick them.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.06.13 14:57:41 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 34) : Even with Castrogiovanni the Italians should get owned in the scrums.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.06.13 14:58:19 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 35) :

    I wouldnt be too sure about that mate…

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.06.13 15:33:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I’m actually quite happy to see Arno Botha cracking the starting line up. The kid is fast, strong and best of all, he has got hella rugby smarts. Sorry, technical term. With any luck, he’ll push Spies out of the starting 8 jersey before the Rugby Championship.

    For all the comments about Bulls bias, I am really excited to see JJ Engelbrecht, Jan Serfontein and Jano Vermaak in the side. They will make a massive difference!

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.06.13 15:33:31 by josefgremlin Reply

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  • @josefgremlin (Comment 37) :

    With any luck, he’ll push Spies out of the starting 8 jersey before the Rugby Championship.

    From your lips to God’s ears my friend.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.06.13 15:34:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Surely this is IMPOSSIBLE from a Sharks point of view!
    2013 the unlucky year if you wear black&white????

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.06.13 17:47:00 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @Talent (Comment 30) : agree with Spies, Steyn and Basson comments…but Im interested to hear who u think is playing better than Vermaak???

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.06.13 18:20:20 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • My only Blu BOk issues regard Morne and Botha…
    1. When Morne was poor for 7 straight games last year HM persisted and showed confidence in him…Lambie has been avg in a poor team and yet to play poorly for the Boks??? where is the consistency??
    2. Kolisi has been brilliant for two seasons now (more than we can say for Marcell) so how is Botha ahead of him??

    Other selections speak for themselves. spies is always spies and we have no one else…

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.06.13 18:25:56 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • No loss at all. Alberts has shown little form this year and Botha is a far better player and prospect. We now just need to move on from Spies and Louw.

    Give we the likes of Labascagne, v/d Walt, Kolisi, Brussouw, Botha and Coetzee anyday. I know I would also be chasing CJ Stander now based in Ireland

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.06.13 19:28:49 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 31) : Both Ebersohn and Serfontein are brilliant prospects. I wouldn’t want to choose. Ebersohn brings a different skillset than Jan.

    As for Kruger, why a passenger, becuase he is leaving? No other 5 lock has beaten Kruger in the lineouts, and that is his primary function.

    Bresler has hardly played, Bekker is injured, and kruger was his deputy. De kock Steenkamp has played well, but I dunno if he has done enough. Franco hasn’t set the world alight.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.06.13 20:44:21 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 43) : Kruger is a piss poor defender who is probably in the same league as Spies in that regard & a below average ball carrier and cleaner. He plays scrumhalf more often than he should meaning he is seldom in the rucks like he should be. I would say that Etzebeth has more line-out prowess than he does or at least is on an equal footing. I would play Etzebeth and Flip together out of all our locks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.06.13 23:15:32 by Talent Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 40) : I don’t think Hougaard has been given anything close to a fair run. Piet Van Zyl has huge amounts of promise, so why not invest in a youngster like him? I can only justify the selection because Meyer is playing an 8,9,10 combo.

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.06.13 23:17:55 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 43) : Who would you say has earned it? Who has been consistent in a loosing team? Meyer has identified these Bulls lighties in his mind as the best the country had to offer when he signed them.

    One just has to look at Meyers train of thought when he said last year he lost an entire forward pack-well he lost Botha ,Matfield ,Smit and Rossouw- he would have Smith ,Burger ,Brussow ,Alberts ,Bismarck ,Jannie ,Spies and others…

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.06.13 23:22:06 by Talent Reply
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  • Talent’s rants on this post :lol:, while some of it has some merit, a whole lot of it makes no sense. Give me a break, any fool could tell you Vermaak and Steyn are the form halfbacks in SA. Coetzee and Deysel ahead of Arno Botha, come now Trevor Nyakane also played a lot of the bench. I don’t see you quering his selection

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.06.13 01:28:25 by Ludz Reply

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  • Kate Winslet on rugby!

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.06.13 03:16:15 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 45) : I Disagree…Hougie is not a world class #9 and has proved that for two seasons now…Vermaaks selection for the Bulls coincided with their rise in form!!! Vermaak has been quality for many years now.(since Lions days)…

    Investing in Van Zyl as a youngster is a good bet, but either way the #9 jumper is between Pienaar, Vermaak and Van Zyl. Hougie doesnt have the distribution and game management of a halfback…

    And too be honest I would never pick Spies or Morne regardless of Combos hahaha…Agree about Kruger as well, another SPies no-show in terms of aggression on fied

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.06.13 04:26:23 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 49) : I agree Vermaak should’ve earned a few caps in Pieter de Villiers’ day as well. He’s always been quality. Queenstown boy, so he’s my homeboy 😀

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.06.13 07:13:53 by Ludz Reply

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  • Any news on Jean?

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.06.13 10:06:52 by David12246 Reply

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  • \@Ludz (Comment 47) : All of it has merit fool 😆

    @pienaar111 (Comment 49) : Listen Vermaak is a decent player but he is getting on in years, and I cannot fathom why he deserves it more than Piet Van Zyl.

    Basson and Kruger are not Springboks in the slightest. Steyn and Spies arent the best in their respective positions.

    Never mind Coetzee ,how does Arno Botha leapfrog Kolisi?

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.06.13 10:29:41 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 52) : Ah yes I agree 100% with everything else…but in all fairness to Vermaak, he deserved a shot years ago already. And I think he can still go to the next world cup if he maintains this form…give him his chance. HE IS GOOD!!!

    ANd yeah how Kolisi leapfrogged Kolisi only Heyne will know…was the same with Jacques Potgieter last year…..

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.06.13 17:25:49 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 52) : By being THE stand out loose forward in your team since joining them. By ouytplaying ALL his teammates week after week. He just needs to convince his coach to start more often than not.

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.06.13 17:46:08 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 54) : Much like marcell coetzee last year.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.06.13 18:01:47 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 54) : He played well tonight ! Much better than Spies and maybe even better than Flouw.

    Kruger and Steyn once again hopeless on defense. Impressed with Habs and the debutantes. Coenies scrumming is woeful 😯 JJE ,mixed bag.

    Good win against poor opposition.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.06.13 19:06:17 by Talent Reply
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  • Le Roux the ray of hope in our otherwise unimaginative back-line 🙁

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.06.13 19:07:33 by Talent Reply
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  • Fat lot of good Lambie’s newly found passion for Bulls rugby did him. 😡

    3 minutes on the field….his plan to play kick and chase rugby really paying dividends 🙄

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.06.13 20:01:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Arno Botha needs to play 8

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.06.13 20:28:45 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 56) : Have to agree. Even at the Bulls, Kruger’s defense is awful – especially regarding 2nd halves. Steyn didn’t cover himself in glory with his defense either.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.06.13 10:44:40 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 60) : Both are poor ,and that kind of apathy towards physicality does not belong in a Springbok jersey.

    @Ludz (Comment 59) : I wouldnt mind seeing him there, or even at 6. He did play well but who’s to say Kolisi wouldn’t play as well

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