Bonus point for under 19s

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:09
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Deon Kayser’s Sharks under 19 side got their campaign off to a winning start in East London on Saturday afternoon, but didn’t have things all their own way in a 32-24 win over Border.

Four tries secured a bonus point and a fine kicking display from flyhalf Jean-Luc du Plessis, who succeeded with 5 kicks from 7, was enough to see the visitors through, although they will know they have plenty of work to do to compete with the far bigger fish they still have to fry.

An early try to the hosts was soon cancelled out as first winger Alrin Eksteen – and then SA Schools centre Sandile Khubeka scored tries for the Sharks. The other winger, Mike Cloete, apepared to have put the cherry on the cake with the Sharks’ third try 27 minutes in, but Border duly struck back with a score of their own just before the half-time whistle, leaving the Sharks with a slender 19-14 lead to defend.

Eighthman Ray Williams continued his try-scoring exploits, scoring the bonus point try just after half time, but again, the Sharks allowed Border back with a score straight afterwards. Du Plessis’ boot managed to keep them just ahead though, with two penalties in the final quarter to one from opposite number Werner Barnard.

The win puts the Sharks joint-first on the competition log (with the Bulls), and du Plessis second on the top points scoring list.

Border (24): Tries Conor-Terrah Brockschmidt, Funani Mabala, Johan Gericke. Conversions Werner Barnard (3). Penalty Barnard.
Sharks (32): Tries Alrin Eksteen, Sandile Khubeka, Mike Cloete, Ray Williams. Conversions Jean-Luc du Plessis (3). Penalties du Plessis (2).


  • Pretty bleak I missed this 1, would’ve loved to see dizzzy’s highly rated u19s.

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.07.13 12:50:12 by Ludz Reply
  • @Ludz (Comment 1) : personally amazed that the fullback didn’t score 2 tries…

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.07.13 12:58:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • Maybe not the best start for the Sharks in terms of the margin of just 8 but 5 points in the bag is all that matters. Well done to the boys.

    This next game will be tough. A battle against the roaring Lions. There will be some nice clashes.
    Malcolm Marx (maybe the best hooker in the world) vs Chris De Beer (very good player)
    Jaco Van Der Walt (visionary flyhalf) vs John-Luke Du Plessis (exciting)
    Akona Sihunu vs Cameron Wright (best 2 scrumhalves in SA, Wright being No.1 in the world)

    The Sharks will struggle to match the Lions up front. Dylan Smith, Stefan Vermeulen, Cyle Brink, Thabo Mabuzo, Kyle van Dalen and Jano Venter will be very powerful. Malcolm Marx will be unstoppable.

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.07.13 13:10:34 by dizzzy Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 1) : More condescending remarks. I should have expected it. Do yourself a favour boet, just give praise where it is due. The boys probably had to play on a cabbage patch with a dodgy semi-trained local ref against a team that resorts to dirty tactics at every turn. Par for the course in that neck of the overgrown woods. 8 points might not be world class but let’s see how the overrated Kriel cousins and co handle the farming areas before you get carried away again.

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.07.13 13:23:42 by dizzzy Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : You must avoid falling into the Ludz trap of believing that the 15-man game is all about individual performances. There is no “I” in “team” although there is one in S-M-I-T-H.

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.07.13 13:29:15 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 5) : no offence, matey, but you should avoid falling into the trap of believing that just cos your girlfriend’s dad has a few “contacts”, you know more than I do.

    How many years has your rugby website been running?

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.07.13 13:31:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 1) :hi Ludz. From which school is one of the try scorers, Johan Gericke, from? You have any idea?

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.07.13 13:48:28 by Argex Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Look let’s not deal with fiction here. Let’s talk my language, which is fact. Fact says that a fullback does not have to score 2 tries to be good. I say the same. Case closed. Let’s move on.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.07.13 13:53:18 by dizzzy Reply

  • I see much laughter in the future.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.07.13 14:33:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 9) : you and me both

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.07.13 16:48:32 by Ludz Reply

  • @Argex (Comment 7) : I honestly don’t know, sorry

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.07.13 17:24:20 by Ludz Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 3) : just an opinion on Malcolm Marx, you have to be joking hey. He’s big, strong and mobile, helluva a good carrier, but he’s got nothing else going for him. Can’t throw to save his life, pops atleast half of the scrums. He’s got potential, no doubt.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.07.13 18:02:07 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 12) : So typical of you to want to run down an uber talent. I bet when Jan Serfontein or Eben Etzebeth were coming through the ranks you probably said they were average as well.

    FYI. Malcolm Marx has only been playing hooker for just over one year now. Within the first few months he made the school Baby Bok team. The year before that he was in the Baby Bok school B-team as a flank. How many players do you know of that are capable of making such a quick and positive transformation – nought or zero? Admit it, Marx’s biggest fault is that he isn’t from your little hometown.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.07.13 18:20:02 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 13) : my good mate I am not shooting down Malcolm, I’m just merely concerned about you rating him as the best in the world. He struggles with the basics, he simply cannot be the best in the world.

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.07.13 18:36:08 by Ludz Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 13) : I know Malcolm Marx mate, lock as u16, blindside flanker as u17, hooker as u18. Your girlfriend’s old man seems to feed you information that is generally public.

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.07.13 18:48:16 by Ludz Reply

  • Nothing quite like schoolboy rugby to bring out the nutters.

    Why do you guys glorify these young players like you do? Do you think its good for them? Or for you?

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.07.13 18:57:40 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 16) : you seen any glorifying from my side? Merely saying a player has talent and potential can’t be classified as glorifying surely??

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.07.13 19:16:43 by Ludz Reply

  • Have to watch a shit load of age group rugby to say somebody is the world’s best. And I don’t think all those games are available on the net. Some really dizzying remarks altogether, albeit veeerry entertaining as well πŸ˜€

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.07.13 19:27:49 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 16) : I totally agree with you. Hopefully some good comes out of your first class insult aimed directly at Ludz who is clearly over the top.

    It’s not just in rugby. Do you remember how people carried on about Messi and Ronaldo or the Williams sisters or Tiger Woods when they were young. Now it’s Quinton de Kock! Totally insane man. Well said again. I just hope the liberals stay out of this now with all their right to express an opinion jazz even if this is a rugby forum and this topic is under 19 rugby which Malcolm Marx and just about all the other players discussed above happen to be. How dare Robdylan put up this article. Thank you VinChainSaw. You are a star of a good cause!

    Sorry Ludz. Not my words but you are a Nutter.

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.07.13 19:30:22 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 19) : β€œover the top”. You call Malcolm Marx the best u19 hooker in the world based on schoolboy exploits and a couple of Varsity Cup games and I’m over the top

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.07.13 20:40:41 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 20) : Look calling you “over the top” is a bit for lack of a better expression over the top. Lets just agree on “Nutter” because you don’t seem willing to defend yourself against that term and more importantly it is true.

    Also I cannot lie and I would be if I did not tell you that I thought “maybe” Malcolm Marx is the best under 19 rugby hooker in the world. Not for sure but “maybe”. This is another small town trait that you have clearly brought with you to this forum, namely putting words in other people’s mouths. Try harder to avoid this at all costs.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.07.13 21:07:18 by dizzzy Reply

  • @ Dizzzy : I have to agree with Ludz. How can you be the best if your basics aren’t solid. Selectors look at basics first then the other flashy stuff. Some of your comments are very one sided. You’re talking about people being the best in the world when you’ve hardly watched them

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.07.13 21:31:34 by Griffon Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 21) : hahahaha, not worth my time boet. I’ll talk to you when you move past the “small town traits”

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.07.13 21:56:28 by Ludz Reply

  • Dear @Griffon (Comment 22) : Look these are some of the things you need to know about me.
    1) If you are using a cellphone, you will not be able to see that I have a gold star awarded to me for sharing my rugby intellect. This makes my opinion important.
    2) I have been following age rugby for over two years now. I know stuff.
    3) My girlfriend’s father is a rugby guru. He knows just about everything worth knowing.
    4) For the one or two things he does not know, he is networked. He is dialled in. He has feelers on the ground.
    Points 3) and 4) tell you that I have valuable information at my fingertips.
    5) I come from the big city. Jozi and now Durbs.

    I always maintain that there is conceivably a New Zealand player that we have not heard of yet who is really good, perhaps by some remote possibility very slightly better than Malcolm Marx. That’s why I say “maybe”.

    Unfortunately around here some people still choose to think of this who to believe scenario as a coin toss option of heads and tails. Heads being me because I am the thinker and I represent knowledge. Tails being countryboy Ludz, who is at best a thumb-sucker, winging it on this forum. Up until now, people have been blindly led by a guy who’s only claim to fame is that he grew up in the same village outside Port Elizabeth as JP Smith. You are asking yourself who is that? Exactly! JP Smith is a kick and hope wannabe scrumhalf at the Bulls but to Ludz he was a hometown hero. The smartest guy on this forum has already called Ludz a Nutter!

    Do yourself a big favour Griffon. Don’t flick that coin. Just say I’m going with heads! Forget about tales from the farmlands.

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.07.13 22:06:39 by dizzzy Reply

  • Jeez guys, getting heated. Marx was good at school level, done nothing yet at senior level. If he was that good he would have played in France. Put him up against a Bissie, Cooper or Strauss and he’ll be eaten alive. Even Chillipip! He will get there give him 4 to 5 years. He certainly is not the best hooker in the world, did you see that English mullet haired kid, brilliant!

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.07.13 22:33:21 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 13) : @Ludz (Comment 14) : A hookers first and only work is to do the basics e.g. scrum and to find his jumpers in the line-outs!!!!!!! If and only if this is spoton(like as in 95% correct) can he be counted as one of the best!!!!! If he does not do his basics well enough he may be tallented and a wonderfull players in broken play, etc. but he is still [email protected] and maybe should think of moving back to flank!!!!! Burden is super talented but at the moment I would not play him in the vodacomcup as I think his basics is not on par.

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.07.13 22:36:57 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : Which top hooker in world rugby is getting by by “first and only” doing the basics? Those days of ultra-specialists are long gone boet. You need to balance off specialisation with all-roundability in the modern day game.

    Feel free to quote this elsewhere: “If a hooker falls short of expectations in other departments, his accuracy in the lineout and good scrumming probably won’t save his place in the team”

    In rugby there are very few perfect players. Coaches have to weight up the pros and cons of each player and choose the best suited option for a team.

    That said Marx “maybe” the best in the world because he ticks all these boxes except after a year in the position, his lineout throw-ins are an ever improving W-I-P. Once this come right he will be the undisputed best in the world.

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.07.13 23:05:40 by dizzzy Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 25) : How are Glenwood doing in the school World Championships this year? I watched them play a game against a New Zealand school at Kings Park when the Super Rugby season started. I was impressed. Glenwood won.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.07.13 23:09:43 by dizzzy Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 25) : The New Zealand school would be Framesby sir πŸ˜†

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.07.13 23:45:10 by Ludz Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 24) : Look I hardly ever have the time to comment on here, but I’ll make an exception for you…exactly how old are you, because the way you ‘carry’ yourself, is in a really childlike manner. All your comments have a “my pa is sterker as joune” feel to them, which means that nobody on here can take you seriously.

    Whoop-tee-doo, you have a gold star! WOW! You know that you only have to post a couple of comments on here to get your first star, and that your “gold” star says nothing about the quality of you post, merely the fact that you posted something, albeit the drivel you are smearing over our beloved Sharksworld.

    But carry on…not since the insane “Willem” saga on rugby365 have I enjoyed seeing someone making such a fool of themselves. Go on, that hole won’t dig itself πŸ˜†

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.07.13 06:14:19 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 30) : It is clear why you do not comment much. You have nothing to say about rugby. You are hell bent on personal attacks. Your motivation for being here is wrong. Read all of what I have had to say again. My motivation is sharing my vast knowledge on the topic of age rugby. I’m not a guru yet but I am getting there quickly. My greatest crime here is having the balls to say one young player is the best in the world and another might also be, something I feel very strongly about. Your comment should have read: “Thank you! I now know more than I did before I read your contribution.”

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.07.13 06:42:29 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 31) : Haha, I have plenty to say about rugby, but I think it’s quite clear that was not what I was going for πŸ™„

    “You’re vast knowledge”…oh my…from following age group rugby for a whole 2 years?! Labeling a player as the best in the world, when you don’t have the means to see what is going on in every rugby playing nation in the world.

    Oh I have read everything you have said, and we’ve had a big’ol chuckle. Continue on your merry way, I’ve made my comment (with 2 gold stars πŸ˜† ), besides, I’m no cactus expert, but I know a prick when I see one

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.07.13 06:57:15 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 32) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.07.13 07:37:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @AlienArmy (Comment 32) : Look I read into your comments that you come from a background of a high level of social intolerance and I’m probably just the tip of the iceberg. In a rugby context, the way I see it is like this, you read what I have stated,you are excited and can’t wait to see these new talents coming through and achieving success OR you can’t wait to see these player fail or fall short of expectations, so you have to ammunition to bring back here and fire at me. In the truthful answer to this lies the determination of who the real prick around here is.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.07.13 08:03:05 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 34) : haha, good luck to you.

    In my 25+ years of following and watching rugby I have always preferred to base my opinions etc on what the real pro’s have to say about things…so I think I will continue to base my ‘excitement’ on that. I have also learned that “guru’s” such as yourself are a dime a dozen…but please continue to enlighten us.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.07.13 08:20:21 by AlienArmy Reply

  • Framesby is from PE not NZ. Glenwood had good 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 years winning the KZN best rugby school trophies those years. 2012 was average will lots of controversy and 2013 has been up and down, but really a rebuilding year. 2014 augurs well if the boys keep level headed and hopefully get a fresh coaching group…

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.07.13 08:39:00 by Grasshopper Reply

  • Is it just me, or is anyone else also LOVING this thread…?

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.07.13 08:39:01 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @cullingsong, reminds me of rugby365 drivel…

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.07.13 08:46:40 by Grasshopper Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 35) : I think it is fate that I came across this forum. People here have been subjected to mediocrity for too long, maybe always. Trust me I will reestablish the faith in what a proper guru has too offer. I’m not quite there yet but the evidence of my potential speaks for itself.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.07.13 08:50:14 by dizzzy Reply

  • @Grasshopper (Comment 38) : it does, unfortunately. Which is why I stopped reading ‘365, and I don’t want any (further?) hand in turning this into that, so I have directly my last post at him.

    I much prefer the proper rugby discussion that goes on on SW.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.07.13 08:51:03 by AlienArmy Reply

  • we need a throw-up emoticon

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.07.13 08:53:29 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 41) : :mrgreen: πŸ˜†

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.07.13 08:54:55 by Ludz Reply

  • Oh dear, there goes the neighbourhood.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.07.13 08:57:51 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @dizzzy (Comment 39) : At first I thought you were serious, but now I realise you are only pulling our socks. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.07.13 08:59:15 by MysticShark Reply
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  • Guys, dizzy is a troll and not who he pretends to be.

    Just bear that in mind and adjust your level of “righteous indignation” appropriately πŸ™‚

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.07.13 09:05:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Part of the problem here is there is too much guerrilla warfare. People want to fire bullets and run and they are not even using expensive ammo either. At the end of the day they are not even sure what cause they are fighting for.

    I want to talk shop and I think the rule should be that only those who comment about players and the games must come on board here.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.07.13 09:09:39 by dizzzy Reply

  • So have we found our new official replacement for Saffex? πŸ˜†

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.07.13 09:16:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : If I didn’t know better I would have thought he was St Michel of way back when.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.07.13 09:26:07 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 48) : woah, that’s a blast from the past name.

    Look, to be honest, since we are now pretty much the “last rugby blog standing” it’s to be expected that more of these types will find their way here πŸ™‚

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.07.13 09:37:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Games up! I want to use this last post as a platform to humbly apologise to Ludz for going out of my way to insult him and run down his “rugby intellect”. Ludz is a true gentleman and actually knows a lot about all rugby. The manner in which he conducts himself in the face of adversity is testimony to his good up bringing which includes schooling at Queens, which isn’t part of some farming community outside PE BTW. Also apologies to others for stringing you along. And Rob Otto. Keep up the good work, which I love. And especially to JP Smith who I described as a “kick and hope wannabe”. SA teams have struggled over the past few seasons to find world class young scrumhalves and the Bulls more so than most. I think JP is an excellent prospect but still too young to determine where is true potential lies. Malcolm Marx is just about where Ludz placed him on the progress chart. Cameron Wright, well don’t take my word for it, wait for him to arrive on the scene. I get a feeling Sharks fans won’t be let down. Obviously names like John-Luke, Jack were manipulated to get maximum effect. Pierre Schoeman is not a bad player at all.

    Anyway I hope all are a little more excited about age (group) rugby now. Cheers all. Enjoy the season. I know I will. Was fun but time to go.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.07.13 09:47:24 by dizzzy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 50) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.07.13 09:52:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @dizzzy (Comment 50) : well played mate… was onto you pretty early, I thought πŸ™‚

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.07.13 09:55:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @dizzzy (Comment 50) : haha, cheers cactus πŸ˜† :mrgreen: jokes!

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.07.13 09:55:52 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @dizzzy (Comment 50) : my good mate, give me a clue, I am sure I know who you are. You seem to know me very well. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.07.13 09:59:47 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 54) : I think it’s clear that dizzzy has been reading the site for some time.

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.07.13 10:05:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great wind-up work there!

    I had some good chuckles. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.07.13 10:15:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : I think I have a clue now who dizzzy is

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.07.13 10:28:20 by Ludz Reply

  • no way? My thread was deleted.

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.07.13 11:27:08 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 58) : what thread?

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.07.13 11:28:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : On politics and Sport in KzN and Eastern Cape, from a ex school boy coaches perspective. It was just a comment about demographic representation at Craven Week level and what damage it can do to a Boy who needs Craven Week to Start off his young career, but misses out because of politics and on the flip side the Player of color who also loves the game but he didn’t pick himself-and now has to perform maybe knowing that he shouldn’t be there(and in the back of his mind knowing that other know it)/ or the Black kid who really has what it takes but maybe thinks he is just there because of his color…the system should merit talent. and not politics. System in KZN has been broken for a couple of years now, and I think results have shown it, belief me we have the same in WESTERN cape, but here it is schools- some schools players just never make the cut, no matter how good they are. We had this In KzN from 1996…Maybe its time to change it now… this thread was based on the fact that the kZN cRAVEN Team had to have 9 PLAYERS of color…and that we dont tap into the same development talent as the Bulls or Province. But no WORRIES Rob maybe its just lost somewhere? anyhooo I know you dont like Politics in Rugby and believes it doesn’t exist πŸ™‚ I will keep it for the Chats around the Fire…@robdylan (Comment 59) : any word on PsDt, Marko Wensel or Quin Roux(heard nothing of Roux just hoping).

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.07.13 11:50:21 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Found it Rob my BAD!! Sorry Rob Otto, he did not delete my Thread..Rob would never do that πŸ˜‰ Ps there is a New Shark Due Thursday….I am going to be Making Sharks in Stormer Country, from now on. Hopefully he doesn’t Pick Rugby over Golf like his DAD…

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.07.13 12:16:28 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 60) : mate, our site policy and rules prevent discussions about politics and particularly race.

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.07.13 13:10:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Noted Rob. I don’t think this comment was about Race but more Politics in Schools Sport to the detriment of the child regardless of his Race. Regardless I would like to apologies if any one feels/finds my thread offensive and I will stick to the policy of Sharksworld and my Co Bloggers. Regards Boerseun.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.07.13 13:47:45 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 63) : thank you sir!

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.07.13 14:23:02 by robdylan Reply
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