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Sharks player ratings v WP


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 9 Sep 2013 at 11:13
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Time to get this one over with, I fear. While the Sharks came back nicely in the second half to secure a losing bonus point, we unfortunately cannot allow that to detract from what was otherwise a pretty woeful overall performance from the team as a whole, netting no higher than a generous 5 out of 10. We rate the individuals against that.

1) Danie Mienie. The youngster did his bit in the loose; however, a prop’s job is to scrum and without wanting to be too harsh on the debutant, that phase of play did not go well enough to warrant a decent rating. Danie will improve on this and come back a better player. 4/10
2) Craig Burden. Showed a bit of spark, with one nice break in particular, but was found wanting in set piece play, with lineouts and scrums both messy. 5/10
3) Rayno Gerber. Expected more from a man of his experience. Herbst was considerably better in all areas when he came on. 3/10
4) Peet Marais. His lack of experience at this level showed and he battled to assert himself; that said, his workrate remained furious throughout the game. Needs to take a big step up as a line out lock. 5/10
5) Marco Wentzel. An unhappy evening, ending in injury. While he was on, Marco battled against a fired-up Province tight five. 4/10
6) Keegan Daniel. Made a few telling contributions, but on the whole was overshadowed by his opposite number in every conceivable way. The Sharks needed a ground player at 6 to counter Province and they didn’t have one in Keegan. 5/10
7) Jean Deysel. Certainly very busy, but lacked the desired impact in his role of “one-man-band” against the team effort Province put in. Struggled for yards as a ball carrier and could perhaps have been better utilised closer to the ruck, where his bulk was needed. Was a cut above the other Sharks forwards, though. 7/10
8) Jacques Botes. Beavered away industriously and scored an interesting try, but again was part of a forward unit that spent the whole night on the back foot. 6/10

9) Cobus Reinach. Lasted all of 15 minutes and spent pretty much all of those being hurried backwards. 5/10
10) Butch James. Hard to slate a legend, but Butch was really poor. His kicking was woefully executed and a man of his experience really shouldn’t ahve been so comprehensibley outplayed by a youngster. 3/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. Once again popped up for a try when one was going, but otherwise had a quiet night. Work rate can again be questioned, while he allowed his opposite number far too much room to move. 5/10
12) Tim Whitehead. Spent the whole evening chasing shadows, one feels. We need to give Tim a bit of time to settle back in after such a long injury break. 4/10
13) Louis Ludik. Probably the best back, from a defensive point of view. That said, the entire line was porous, with very little done on attack to redeem themselves. 6/10
14) Sizo Maseko. A player with a lot of heart, Maseko came back reasonably well after a shaky start. Looks for work and tackles manfully, although as a raw youngster, many aspects of his game still need a lot of polishing. 5/10
15) SP Marais. Made a few mistakes, but always looks to have something up his sleeve. This wasn’t a polished performance by any means, but we know the young man is capable of better. 5/10

16) Kyle Cooper. Made a hug difference in the tight loose when he came on; set pieces remained iffy, though. 6/10
17) Wiehahn Herbst. Wasn’t able to shore up the scrum entirely, but did a better job of limiting the damage than Gerber had. Apart from one glaring slip, did well on defence too. 5/10
18) Edwin Hewitt. His best game to date in a Sharks jersey; prominent on the drive and made no errors that I could see. 6/10
19) Justin Downey. Didn’t have much chance to get into the game – he spent three separate short stints on the field. Was massive on defence, though, with a good line-out steal late in the game probably preventing a fourth Province try. 6/10
20) Charl McLeod. Had difficult ball to work with, but did a reasonable-enough job. Some box kicks were poorly executed, though. 5/10
21) Fred Zeilinga. Made a bit of a hash of a few line kicks and also fumbled a ball badly in the Sharks 22. Counter that with hte amazing pass to set up Mvovo’s try and you get the picture of a young player who makes mistakes, but also makes things happen. 5/10
22) Jaco van Tonder. Unused.


60 Comments

  • On the money ,maybe a bit easy on Lwazi who had a howler!

    Butch just looks to slow, his time is drawing to an end, sadly.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.09.13 11:30:11 by Talent Reply
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  • I believe all these players should have a day deducted from their annual leave balance. The entire team seemed to be on holiday!

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.09.13 11:30:39 by josefgremlin Reply

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  • SP Marias looks like he has all the tools ,just doesn’t know when to use them.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.09.13 11:31:37 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 3) : I like that 🙂

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.09.13 11:36:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : 😆

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.09.13 11:44:30 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 3) : Yeah he has the right ideas but he lacks a yard or two of pace to be really effective.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.09.13 11:48:06 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • At the risk of sounding simplistic, the issue for me at scrum time was simply a matter of bulk.
    Yes I know there is also technique, but you can’t field both Botes and Daniel and a 104kg prop (Mienie) and expect any scrum to stand their ground.
    Added to that: Burden is light for a hooker, and Jean Deysel is our only enforcer at 112kg.
    I think the coaches cocked this one up big time against a big province pack…
    Stoked for Michael Rhodes though…

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.09.13 11:54:42 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • To be fair, WP put in an amazing forward performance. Their timing was spot on during the scrums and their pack was putting in a massive collective counter shove on our put ins. Watching the guys sliding backwards was demoralising and I feel for Charl and Cobus considering the ball they had to work with.

    @Talent (Comment 3) : I can’t fault his attitude. SP seemed absolutely determined to make an impact in a dire situation.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.09.13 12:09:24 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 7) :

    They also didn’t seem to have long enough studs on their boots for the conditions.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.09.13 12:13:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Why dont we give the coaches a rating for game plan and team selection?

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.09.13 12:24:10 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 7) : Mienie weighs 111kg

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.09.13 12:34:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 10) : the team rating reflects on the coaches

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.09.13 12:35:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Son Of Mayhem (Comment 10) : Team selection was pretty poor.

    So far all our props used in the Currie Cup have been pretty poor. So unless we get Beast or Jannie back soon, or we find/buy a new prop asap, there’s not much our coaches can do to get the set piece right. Herbst for me has been quite disappointing considering his potential.

    I just don’t think you can play Daniel and Botes together in an evenly matched game.

    I used to be a big Butch fan, but backing this guy over youngsters is simply going to create a dearth of flyhalf options in 2014.

    Tim Whitehead: rushed back too soon. I would rather have played Butch at 12.

    Cobus Reinarch: I think it’s fair to say that Charl McCleod is streets ahead of him on form at the moment.

    So in summary: piss-poor selections this week. 😥

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.09.13 12:37:55 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Sorry, took my cue from the commentator who said he’s light for a prop. Still, our scrum is way too light to do battle against what was effectively a Stormers scrum.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.09.13 12:39:31 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 3) : I had a girlfriend like that once. 😆 😈

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.09.13 13:06:23 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 13) : True.

    @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 14) : Are we being too harsh on the Sharks, we effectively have an entire first choice scrum missing at the moment (Beast, Biz, Jannie, PSdT, Bressler, Alberts, Coetzee and Kanko) Maybe, maybe not.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.09.13 13:19:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 6) : My thoughts too.

    @gregkaos (Comment 8) : Yes ,but one also has to be effective. What is the point of goosestepping 20 seconds before contact? Reminds me of Zane 😐

    @MysticShark (Comment 15) : Dont lie you enjoyed that 😉

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.09.13 13:22:56 by Talent Reply
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  • Im afraid that with the Boks away the Sharks have a very soft and fragile tight 5 and pack in general with only Deysel providing some grunt work. So why the Sharks persist with the forwards orientated game plan is beyond me. The Sharks are in for a very tough time away in Kimberly make no mistake about it.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.09.13 13:29:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Its been a long time since I have seen props dominated as Gerber then Herbst were by Kitshoff.

    Man that Kitshoff has come of age this year. Pure power in the scrums…….the sooner he gets a Bok call up the better.

    Far better option than fat Steenkamp

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.09.13 13:30:26 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : Jannie would bend him in half still 😆 good player. They say props take a while to mature but he is a season or two off top flight rugby.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.09.13 13:37:30 by Talent Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : pity he has tits for hands

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.09.13 13:38:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • After saying I would not post here again I felt the need the pot.
    Gladly I was not one calling for Plums head all the time or that of the other coaching staff, although towards the end I supported Smits decision and being a huge Smit fan took it things would just work out.

    Also I have never been one for lambasting players all the time as I have no doubt they try their best and do not select themselves, and all players lose form now and then.

    But here is a fact, the best play form the Sharks this year was under the guidance of Bashford and Edwards whether some want to acknowledge it or not.

    Not in one game under the new coaching staff have we seen improvement or a new style to get excited about and think “OK MAYBE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK”

    Is our own Stupidity as supporters going to come back and bite us in the ASS? I see a lot of people complaining about the performances? Why? I mean did you not get what you asked for?

    Trust me I hope I am wrong and these words get shoved back at me, but I somehow do not think so. Wholesale changes have never been a good thing and again it shows.

    Oh I will come back and read sometime, I am sure I will get a good laugh out of it, problem is laugh as we all may, our team is in trouble, we cant always be crying about those out playing elsewhere etc. We need to perform with the players that are there.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.09.13 14:54:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 22) : Most of SA have been complaining about the Springboks under HM up until past Saturday.

    How long have the new coaching staff and structures been in place? So comparing the new coaches results thus far to Bashford and Edwards is a bit daft.

    *Keep calm and support the Sharks* 😉

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.09.13 15:02:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : Ditto!

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.09.13 15:12:06 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : I like that!

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.09.13 15:15:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : @robdylan (Comment 21) : 😆

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.09.13 15:19:24 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : @R Hayward (Comment 24) : Trust me I am calm and I never ever stopped supporting my team. 😉 But as this season unfolds I will come read with interest in here :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.09.13 15:23:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 27) : Don’t worry we are al anxious to see results, BUT great results come from patience while a good platform is build!

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.09.13 15:32:04 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @sharks_lover (Comment 22) : I also think it’s a bit premature to compare. For one thing the new coaching setup are minus having any springboks for selection. They’ve got to work with and get the best performances out of the B-string of players at their disposal. I think you can only compare the new setup come the end of 2014 super season. For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s a great Currie-Cup team and I think the coaches have done reasonably well to extract 3 wins so far.

    Secondly, if you read between the lines, you’ll realize wholesale changes were unavoidable. John Smit wanted to bring Brendan Venter in as a new director of rugby with a new vision. It says a bit about Plumtree’s character that they felt they couldn’t accommodate him in their new vision. Rugby keeps evolving and coaches who don’t want to evolve with it or change their ideas, or work under people who do, will ultimately suffer.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.09.13 15:37:39 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • So im guessing the Sahrks now have the Slight Five?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.09.13 15:52:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 30) :

    We had to send our heavies to go help Heyneke out.

    Mission accomplished!

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.09.13 16:01:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) :

    You mean, as opposed to the heavies that we sent?

    It says something about Bok rugby when you have this huge pack and all are from WP or Natal!

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.09.13 16:22:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 32) : but none are from WP.

    Apart from that Etzebeth thug and bench-boy Kolisi

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.09.13 16:27:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    And the MTOM?
    And Vermeulen?

    Oh, okay, lets play that game. Are you sure? Tell me where the front row is from, because its not Natal my friend.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.09.13 16:34:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 34) : oh right – will admit I forgot SeaBiscuit. But even you must surely know that Francois Louw plays for Bath, not WP.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.09.13 16:37:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • So Province have given up Etzebeth + 2 loosies.
    Sharks have given up an entire front row + 2 loosies.

    Now, whose pack do you reckon is more likely to be weakened by that?

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.09.13 16:38:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 22) : Is this gonna be one of those posts where you come back and say “the team is exactly as I predicted except for these 11 differences” ? 😉

    It’s way to early for any comparisons and how can you compare a 3rd string side (because most of those rotations were CC 2nd choice) under new coaches to the rubbish that Plumtree, HRE and Bashford dished up? 😕

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.09.13 16:44:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    You think Dup brothers and Beats are contributing more than EE, SeaBiscuit and Vermeulen? Pass the crack pipe mate!

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.09.13 16:49:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) : ah crap – you’re back? Need to go work on the spam filter a bit more :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.09.13 16:50:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.09.13 16:50:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) : SeaBiscuit IS Vermeulen. It was a cunning attempt at double-counting, but I saw through it, right enough.

    Let’s remember to add the names of Alberts and Coetzee to the list, while we’re making comparisons… then also add in Pieter-Steph, Bresler and Kankowski. Right. Super 15 pack against one missing 8 regular starters.

    The only shocking thing about Saturday’s result is that you guys couldn’t actually win by more than two penalties. The fact that you didn’t score a bonus point is not shocking, because you never do.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.09.13 16:52:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Western Province: The only Currie Cup team in the country that could beat the Limpopo Blue Bulls without scoring a bonus point.

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.09.13 16:53:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :

    Robbo, please accept my offering of several straws. Please clutch one!

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.09.13 16:54:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.09.13 16:55:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • That’s not correct Rob they once scored a losing bonus point.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.09.13 17:02:52 by JD Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) :

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.09.13 17:03:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 45) : my bad 🙂

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.09.13 17:03:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 43) : will any of them contain the rest of your argument?

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.09.13 17:05:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    Hehe nice pic.

    Sadly, since that day, the guy in the blue and white hoops hasnt played.
    And the guy in the black and white hasnt played well.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.09.13 17:05:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    The rest of my argument is thus – 25-19

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.09.13 17:06:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 50) : pity it’s an argument that started with an 18-0.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.09.13 17:08:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : before climbing to a 25-5.

    What kind of team doesn’t manage to kick on from being 25-5 ahead with 20 minutes to play – to at the very least score a bonus point?

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.09.13 17:09:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) :

    I see you picked a straw. And it was the “at least we came close” straw.

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.09.13 17:12:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 53) : it was that you okes, once again, “pulled a Fleck”. Leave the door open and someone will barge through it, all I’m saying.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.09.13 17:14:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) :

    Yeah, but you didnt make it through the door… thats all im saying!

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.09.13 17:15:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 55) : not this time…. but you left the log door open.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.09.13 17:25:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : WP coulda woulda shoulda been 3 points clear of 2nd place.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.09.13 17:39:20 by gregkaos Reply
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  • It was such a poor performance by the Sharks, too many players out of form and too many out of their depth plus at least one past his prime. If I were a WP supporter I would be disappointed. No bonus point and a gift of one to the Sharks AT HOME. Sis man you won’t retain the cup on that.
    @comment 38, I never did notice the Aussie front row buckling or being pushed off the ball numerous times.
    “Sea Biscuit & Vermeulen”?? MOTM plays for WP?? What is MTOM? Man The OF Match? Who the hell is Beats and who does he play for?

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.09.13 23:38:13 by markp Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 34) : Where they came from? The WP run on forwards pack includes a Bull, a Lion, a Cheetah, 2, yes that’s TWO, Sharks and 3 WP players.

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.09.13 23:57:59 by markp Reply

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  • I think mayby justin downy should get a start over daniel the guy cleerly want to make a impact he has that fire when he comes on and mayby daniel can come on last 20 min when game is more loose

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