Sharks v WP: by the numbers

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 11 Sep 2013 at 09:47
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We’re going to give the new format that we used last week another try, but also try to extend it a little bit. Herewith, the numbers I have from the Sharks’ recent loss to WP.

Most tackles: Tim Whitehead (14), Peet Marais (13)
Best tackle %: Kyle Cooper (100% from 5), Justin Downey (100% from 4), Fred Zeilinga (100% from 4)
Most missed tackles: Louis Ludik (6), Peet Marais (4), Jacques Botes (4), Lwazi Mvovo (4)
Worst tackle %: Ryno Gerber (0%), SP Marais (0%), Lwazi Mvovo (33%)
Highest tackle rate: Justin Downey (14.28), Cobus Reinach (14.28), Tim Whitehead (14)
Lowest tackle rate: SP Marais (0), Rayno Gerber (0), Lwazi Mvovo (2)

Most passes (ecxl halfbacks): Keegan Daniel (7), Jacques Botes (7), SP Marais (6)
Most offloads: Charl McLeod (3), Marco Wentzel (2), Keegan Daniel (2)
Most runs: Kyle Cooper (19), Danie Mienie (17)
Most metres: SP Marais (90), Lwazi Mvovo (74)
Most metres per run: Craig Burden (11.5), Lwazi Mvovo (9.25)
Most tackle busts: Lwazi Mvovo (4), Edwin Hewitt (4), Kyle Cooper(4)
Most advantage line crosses: Kyle Cooper (9), Edwin Hewitt (6), Lwazi Mvovo (6), Charl McLeod (6)
Most line breaks: Lwazi Mvovo (2)

Most rucks: Peet Marais (31), Jacques Botes (31), Keegan Daniel (27)
Best ruck attendance rate: Justin Downey (42.8), Peet Marais (31), Jacques Botes (31)
Lowest ruck attendance rate (forwards): Wiehahn Herbst (13.6), Kyle Cooper (18)
Most general play involvements (attack): Jacques Botes (25), Danie Mienie (19)
Most general play involvements (defence): Peet Marais (13), Keegan Daniel (11)
Most turnovers forced: Peet Marais (3), Jacques Botes (3), Louis Ludik (3)

Most turnovers conceded: Keegan Daniel (4), Jean Deysel (3), Kyle Cooper (3)
Most penalties conceded: Rayno Gerber (2), Wiehahn Herbst (2)

Best forward: Shared by Peet Marais, Keegan Daniel and Kyle Cooper
Best back: SP Marais (offence), Tim Whitehead (defence)


  • Kyle Cooper is the business :mrgreen: With him and Bismarck we have a wicked combo.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.09.13 10:06:15 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • Bissie to do the bruising and Kyle to run them ragged.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.09.13 10:10:34 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • We have some holes to plug in our last line of defence. Hopefully with Tim back in the squad he can start playing a more active role in organising the backline’s defence.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.09.13 10:31:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Wait, didn’t Letgo give Ludik a relatively high score for his defence?
    I personally thought he had a poor game alround and is certainly not a 13. Which is why I was surprised he was given a 6 or 7 from our resident scorer.

    Williams to 12, TW to 13 please.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.09.13 11:11:05 by John Galt Reply

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  • Wow Letgo, you sure did get it wrong.

    You also said Whitehead spent the whole night chasing shadows, when in fact he made the most tackles.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.09.13 11:14:35 by John Galt Reply

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  • Sorry, it was in fact you Rob, who got it wrong.

    You do know the difference between Tim and Ludik don’t you? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.09.13 11:17:00 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 6) : You do realise the ratings are completely subjective (as is mentioned in those articles all the time) based on what the author perceives? (And as far as I’m aware there are never second viewings of the games before the publishing of the article)

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.09.13 11:25:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 6) : it was me and yes, I did get it wrong. The ratings are subjective and I’ve never pretended that they’re flawless.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.09.13 11:46:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : yes, that’s correct. Ratings are always based on one viewing only.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.09.13 11:47:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 6) : really glad you pointed it out, though… when I got the stats, I knew immediately that I’d cocked up – was waiting to see if anyone actually reads these pieces in enough detail to have spotted it :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.09.13 11:48:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • so – here’s an interesting bit of vindication of my initial thoughts…. according to the Sharks’ own stats (which I guess come from Verusco), Louis only missed 1 tackle.

    That’s always the problem with stats…. they may appear to be objective but are, in fact, very subjective based on the person or system that’s collecting them.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.09.13 12:19:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Mvovo seemed pretty effective actually, maybe just gives off the impression he doesn’t work that hard but gets a lot done. Kinda like me at work 😉

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.09.13 12:40:50 by Robby Hambly Reply

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  • Good game by young Peet Marais, rate this kid – once he finds his feet he will be the perfect partner for PSDT at the Sharks

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.09.13 13:24:41 by Saffex Reply

  • Stats mean nothing and everything at the same time.

    If a player was close to another and did a spectacularly desperate dive but couldnt hold on, does that count as a missed tackle?

    What about a missed tackle around the fringes of the ruck, where the attacking player gets felled half a metre later anyway. Does that count as a missed tackle?
    What about a tackle made where the attacking player still scores? Is that missed?

    The tackle count I’m most interested in is the one in the red zone. Miss any others and the cover defence will probably help you out, miss those n the red zone and its punte.

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.09.13 16:02:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Any specific reason I got locked out of Sharksworld? Or just a glitch?

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.09.13 16:35:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 14) : Suppose the red zone tackles missed would be translated into tries scored 😆

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.09.13 16:39:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : the spam filter gets a little worked up sometimes.

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.09.13 16:42:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : should be fixed now

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.09.13 16:43:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Yeah seems fine on my side…very strange though, maybe my increased activity yesterday triggered it’s suspicions – or maybe the “f1ippi3.BOT” had something to do with it 😈

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.09.13 16:47:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : it seems a little bit random

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.09.13 16:51:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 13) : I agree and what a combo going forward ,the sooner the better

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.09.13 19:40:21 by benji Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 5) : stats damn stats and lies. The netball players have Tim weighed ,measured and found very wanting and the reason for 14 tackles is they were attacking his channel for obvious reasons,Letgo was kind in fact in the assesment

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.09.13 19:45:24 by benji Reply
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  • Sorry my mistake,Rob’s assesment

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.09.13 19:47:57 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 23) : I’m the bald one 🙂

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.09.13 19:48:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • My apologies

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.09.13 19:50:57 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : hey rob, just wondering when will the sharks team be announced please

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.09.13 07:55:49 by Flippie Reply

  • @Flippie (Comment 26) : Jis Flippie, behoort seker iewers vandag te wees. read on some other sites that we are waiting on injury niggles…

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.09.13 08:08:11 by R Hayward Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    Yeah I know.
    Stats, and particularly the tackle stat, can be very deceiving.

    Wayne Smith recently wrote a very interesting article on how stats don’t tell the full story. Very good article you should google it and read it.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.09.13 08:42:11 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Flippie (Comment 26) : how do you expect me to know that? 🙂

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.09.13 09:23:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Seems they tried to fix f1ippi3.BOT during its sabbatical from Sharksworld, but ended up breaking something else. 😆

    That must be the record shortest time anyone (or anything) has stayed away from Sharksworld.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.09.13 09:39:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 30) : oh yeah – good point. Did he even last a day?

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.09.13 10:01:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : I was just asking wantinh to finalize my fantasy league

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.09.13 14:33:59 by Flippie Reply

  • @Flippie (Comment 32) : Flip flop your prediction of 50-0 was spot on but for the netball players being netball players

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.09.13 14:58:09 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 33) : Old f1ippi3.BOT should be converted into an automated betting script….or maybe he’s been written for some insider trading. 😈

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.09.13 15:29:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Comment 35, posted at 12.09.13 18:03:35 by Flippie Reply

  • @benji (Comment 33) : I don’t care, how many times did you repeated that netball thing hey, it was funny the first time but the second time or third time

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.09.13 18:06:56 by Flippie Reply

  • @benji (Comment 33) : and don’t call me flip flop please hey, I am not your friend at all, don’t let me start calling you stupid names

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.09.13 18:08:24 by Flippie Reply

  • @f1ippi3.BOT (Comment 35) : So your Afrikaans is just as bad as your English, you must be Russian Ai then. 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.09.13 18:37:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Flippie (Comment 37) : Flip Flippie, jy flip flippen vinnig uit ou. 😉

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.09.13 19:02:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 38) : Hey esprit de votre propre entreprise votre troll .. Obtenez une vie hey ..

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.09.13 23:33:35 by Windgat101 Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 38) : Get a life hey, isn’t a stupid spelling bee your dumb nut

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.09.13 23:35:21 by Windgat101 Reply

  • @Windgat101 (Comment 40) : Shoe!!!!! Jy klink slim!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.09.13 07:25:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Windgat101 (Comment 41) : Vat hulle fluffie

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.09.13 08:48:43 by benji Reply
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  • @Windgat101 (Comment 40) : I guess you’re the inventor of f1ippi3.BOT 🙄

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.09.13 09:11:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : nope – the bot is clever enough to change its display name whenever it’s caught out

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.09.13 09:23:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : hehehe, so it’s creating its own persona’s to fight on it’s own behalf….starting to sound like a mpd bot. 😆

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.09.13 10:21:35 by FireTheLooser Reply


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