Du Toit returns for Sharks

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 12 Sep 2013 at 11:39
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Pieter-Steph du Toit returns to the Sharks starting lineup to face Griquas this weekend.

Charl McLeod comes into the starting line-up again at scrumhalf, displacing Cobus Reinach to the bench this week – other than that rotational change, the back line remains unchanged. Butch James thus continues as the starting flyhalf, with Tim Whitehead again preferred at inside centre to Heimar Williams.

It’s among the forwards that the majority of changes have come, with Kyle Cooper, Wiehahn Herbst and Edwin Hewitt all moving into the starting line-up; together with Du Toit (who replaces injured Marco Wentzel) that makes a virtually new tight five this week, with only Danie Mienie retaining his place after Saturday’s loss to Western Province. Mienie came under pressure at scrum time, but his work rate and level of involvement in all other aspects of the game earned praise from the coaching staff.

Rayno Gerber is out injured, along with Wentzel, meaning a return to the squad for Dale Chadwick; it remains to be seen who will cover tighthead, with both Mienie and Chadwick having spent short stints in the position at junior level. Craig Burden also misses out this week, with Monde Hadebe set to feature for the first time this season, in the number 16 shirt.

The Sharks
15. SP Marais
14. Sizo Maseko
13. Louis Ludik
12. Tim Whitehead
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Butch James
9. Charl McLeod
8. Jacques Botes (Capt)
7. Jean Deysel
6. Keegan Daniel
5. Pieter-Steph du Toit
4. Edwin Hewitt
3. Wiehahn Herbst
2. Kyle Cooper
1. Danie Mienie

16. Monde Hadebe
17. Dale Chadwick
18. Peet Marais
19. Justin Downey
20. Cobus Reinach
21. Fred Zeilinga
22. Jaco van Tonder


  • Why no Zeilinga?

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.09.13 11:43:37 by David12246 Reply
  • Pieter Steph straight in to start after being out for how long? I cant see him being up to match level intensity but hey I may be wrong. Sharks forwards needs to step it up after being man handled in Durban by Griquas.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.09.13 11:44:14 by SheldonK Reply
  • Looks like Im going to pick against the Sharks on Superbru for the second week in a row – first time Ive ever done that.

    Ill probably still change my mind though.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.09.13 11:46:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Much better front row and pack in general.

    Cmon you Sharks!

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.09.13 11:50:24 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 3) : Yes man have faith!

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.09.13 11:53:45 by R Hayward Reply

  • Why no Williams, he is much better than van tonder, I know they don’t cover the same position but you could always move ludik or butch back if marais gets injured or is he injured himself.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.09.13 11:54:56 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 6) : MY thoughts also… We need to keep running at the kwaste this weekend… Keep away from their forwards!

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.09.13 11:59:18 by R Hayward Reply

  • Would give Downey a fair bit of playing time, don’t know why but they always seem to play the game of their lives against their former team mates.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.09.13 12:02:29 by BR Reply
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  • So have the coaches concluded that our scrum crumbling was the fault of Gerber and Burden.

    Let’s hope Mienie stands firm. Thought Chadwick would be given a start to repay the Kwas forwards for bending him and his fellow forwards at Kings Park.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.09.13 12:05:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : The only real area of trouble is the scrums if it don’t improve quick we will have to make another plan and fast.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.09.13 12:11:33 by BR Reply
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  • I’m all up for this rotation policy but it cannot exclude certain positions. So far there has been no rotation in the loose forwards or at 13. Ludik has been at 13 since the last few games of super rugby. Tera Mtembu has been long due a start but at the moment he isn’t even on the bench

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.09.13 12:19:40 by woody Reply
  • Butch James again 🙄

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.09.13 12:20:05 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 10) : It’s something I used to respect about the wallabies, their backline’s ability to score tries and win games with a scrum stuck in reverse.

    Suppose the breakdown is the main area where your forwards need to stand up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.09.13 12:21:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Gerber would have started again if he wasn’t injured, I reckon – and Cooper was due to come back in anyway because the last 2 starts went to Burden.

    Ditto Hewitt, since Marais started the last 2.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.09.13 12:31:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • that’s a very physical tight 5… worried about the weight of the loose trio. Daniel is going to have to play out of his socks to handle Marnus Schoemann

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.09.13 12:32:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 11) : Agree with you 100%. If there’s going to be rotation why not with the loosies too? Deysel has been our standout forward so far this season so I can see choosing him every week, but the other two?!

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.09.13 13:16:27 by Greg Reply

  • Its time for PSDT to show his springbok call up was not just a once off thing.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.09.13 13:40:50 by Tiny Reply

  • Poor call dropping Marais for Hewitt

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.09.13 13:52:20 by Saffex Reply

  • To Mr. McLeod and Mr. James – Sorry for my outburst last Saturday on Sharksworld with regards to your game. I think I might have had more Captain Morgan in my body than blood. Please don’t do the same this weekend!

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.09.13 13:57:37 by Bite me Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 18) : oh fuck, here we go again.

    I’m going to spell this out for you, in bold, in caps and very slowly.

    T H E
    S H A R K S
    A R E
    U S I N G
    R O T A T I O N
    P O L I C Y

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.09.13 13:58:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hoping Monde can impress off the bench. With Dale also on the bench will be good to see 2 Westville guys on the field. 😎

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.09.13 14:39:26 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I really appreciate the rotation that is happening right now. Been asking for this for years in the Bok setup. WELL DONE SHARKS!!! This is how you create depth and hunger amongst the players. Now we just need some players to return from injury to really bolster the squad. Haven’t been this excited in ages.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.09.13 15:02:08 by soutie Reply

  • @soutie (Comment 22) : damn right!

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.09.13 15:23:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ludik can’t play centre !!!! We need to pair tim and heimar in the midfield why even play ludik if he is not going to be there next year we need to start building a proper centre combo

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.09.13 17:24:28 by johnny Reply

  • @johnny (Comment 24) : I agree, I want to see Tim at 12 with Heimar outside him.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.09.13 21:18:25 by David12246 Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : What a fucking stupid policy, one would swear the CC was long and demanding.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.09.13 00:30:16 by Saffex Reply

  • @johnny (Comment 24) : Ludick is playing for the simple reason that the Sharks are paying him! Lets not forget rugby is professional and therefore team selections also have to be good business decisions as well im afraid. Yes we would all like all decisions to be purely rugby based but it cant in this professional era. The directors/stakeholders want to see a return on their investment- hence the likes of Ludick/James etc.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.09.13 08:54:42 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 26) : you’re missing the point. CC might not be, but SR is

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.09.13 11:23:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Dont get me wrong Rob im all for rotation as it keeps players healthy and competitive and the European clubs manage it very well so hopefully the Sharks are adopting that same blueprint. However, i do believe that we shouldnt rotate just for the sake of it. Rotation must have a specific future plan in place just as testing combos, building experience etc. For me personally the Sharks are short of depth at prop,lock and centre. Those are the positions where we need to find solutions in house or realise we need to look elsewhere

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.09.13 12:06:20 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : yes, agree…. and of those positions you mention, the only one were we haven’t yet rotated is 13.

    Whitehead will be shifted to 13 at some stage this season to play alongside Williams. I’ve as good as been told that.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.09.13 12:15:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : But now see isnt that just accomodating rather than finding a good fit. I mean no disrespect ti Tim who is a good player, but he is more a 12 than 13. In modern rugby your 13 needs to have pace to cover his defensive line effectively. And im afraid Tim does lack pace. So with Frans Steyn, Tim Whitehead in the mix at 12 why not try Williams at 13 with the knowledge that Paul Jordaan is probably the number 1 pick at 13, with JP Pieterson also in the mix. And i know I wont be popular saying this but Lambie must play at 15. Zeilinga will have the experience to play 10, throw him in there- it worked out for Aaron Cruden if we recall where he was when he first started. And Lambie is so damn good at 15 and only decent at 10.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.09.13 12:38:33 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : I agree Fred at 10, Pat at 15 and Ungere at 9. Problem is when Steyn receives his A game back he is the only 12.A proper 13 needs to the ilk of a Robby Fruen,Jordaan is to small,AB teams have his pace but smash him on attack.JP is the supreme wing ,leave him there,now what about 13?

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.09.13 12:53:22 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 32) : I wud have too see how Ungerer fares with the increase in tempo of senior rugby before i make a call. I still think McCloed and Reinach are good options BUT they must just be scrumhalves and not play makers. If they just clear from the base and do they basics they look damn good. Yeh Fred at 10 and Lambie at 15 please. I see you point on Jordaan- he could easily play wing. And yes fully agree with Pieterson at wing. So 13 has been a problem for the Sharks so why not let Williams try put his hand up.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.09.13 13:02:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : because AFAIK Williams is no faster than Whitehead.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.09.13 13:13:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : So where does that leave us for 13 options? Kanko? haha

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.09.13 13:22:51 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : no n,o Kanko at 8, he the supreme 8, perhaps we then need to buy in a proper 13 to fix which has been a problem going back to Terblanche days

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.09.13 14:21:29 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 36) : I’m not averse to he idea, but who would you buy?

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.09.13 14:24:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Rob I have no idea but the specs would be a Robby Fruen type,pace to burn,great tackler, largish physical unit,perhaps you know of some youngsters coming through the academy or elsewhere?

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.09.13 14:50:29 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Rob looking at the way Howard Mnisi is playing i cant believe Sharks never gave him a chance. Same with Jean Stemmet who played for Sharks Vodacom Cup but never got a look in.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.09.13 14:58:56 by SheldonK Reply

  • Bwahaha
    Saw the heading and immediately thought it was GAFFIE ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.09.13 15:04:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • There is absolutely no need to buy a 13! Whitehead, Steyn, Heimar and Jordaan are all good at 13! If you think none of them have what it takes in terms of strength and speed then look to our junior ranks. There are two very big quick centres with lots of potential!

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.09.13 15:11:00 by woody Reply
  • @woody (Comment 41) : I am not that clued up,which two ?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.09.13 16:37:09 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 42) : Andre Esterhuizen and Tyler Fisher

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.09.13 16:41:52 by woody Reply
  • @woody (Comment 43) : what ages are the chaps and at what level are they playing if I may ask?

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.09.13 16:50:30 by benji Reply
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  • They are both 19 or 20 years old and have been standouts for Sharks u21 this year. Esterhuizen is the top try scorer in the competition

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.09.13 16:55:50 by woody Reply
  • And Fisher was the top try scorer last year

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.09.13 16:56:30 by woody Reply
  • @woody (Comment 46) : Then why don’t the Sharks do what the Bullarinas have done and back these youngsters in the CC,that’s what CC is for,and that would solve a huge weakness in the Sharks

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.09.13 17:00:02 by benji Reply
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  • I agree. Rather back a youngster at 13 than play a fullback who is leaving at the end of the season there!

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.09.13 17:02:43 by woody Reply

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