Sharks player ratings v Griquas

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 16 Sep 2013 at 10:04
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Right, so it may not have been a vintage performance from the Sharks, but I feel we do need to give the team a huge amount of credit for fighting back to take the points against a fired-up home side, at a venue that’s not been to them in the recent past. As a team, the Sharks scored around 6.5 out of 10 – let’s see how the individuals did.

1) Danie Mienie. Again, he played a really big role in virtually all aspects of the contest, but was found sorely lacking in the scrum department. Now I realise that scrumming is about more than a man-on-man contest in the front row, but when it does go wrong, it has to start with the props. 5/10
2) Kyle Cooper. Another very big game in the loose but the same argument holds; the hooker plays a vital role in the set piece and needs to concentrate on scrums and lineouts first and foremost. 6/10
3) Wiehahn Herbst. Good work rate and level of effort and a stunning try, under the circumstances. His end of the scrum fared no better than Mienie’s though. 5/10
4) Edwin Hewitt. Used his bulk to great effect and delivered his strongest performance in a Sharks jersey to date. 7/10
5) Pieter-Steph du Toit. The rust was clear, but so is the class. As the guy calling the lineouts, must take a share in the blame, but will only get better as his comeback continues. 6/10
6) Keegan Daniel. Tends to get a bit lost in these tighter contests and certainly wasn’t making much headway against Marnus Schoeman, the latter’s dodgy tactics notwithstanding. Tends to pop up now and again with a moment of magic, though and his role in Maseko’s try cannot be discounted. 6/10
7) Jean Deysel. A really quiet game from the big number 7. Can’t really say much more than that. 5/10
8) Jacques Botes. A big innings from the captain, with workrate huge, particularly on defence. 7/10

9) Charl McLeod. Was hurried into some rather nasty mistakes. Also, one feels he could have and should have taken more of the kicking responsibility, because he often put his fly half under undue pressure. 5/10
10) Butch James. I felt this was Butch’s strongest showing to date; some tactical kicks were poorly executed, but his distribution was far better than we’ve seen this season. 7/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. Another really quiet game form the discarded Bok, although his cover tackle on a flying PJ Vermeulen certainly saved a try. 5/10
12) Tim Whitehead. A good game from the unlucky Whitehead. Far more involved on the ball this week and stood his ground defensively, for the most part. 7/10
13) Louis Ludik. Another great defensive performance from Ludik. Options were limited on attack, but he did what he could. 7/10
14) Sizo Maseko. Finally scored the try that has been owed to him since round 1, but was otherwise a little quiet. 6/10
15) SP Marais. Looked far better defensively this week, although the flipside to that was less involvement on attack. 6/10

16) Monde Hadebe. A busy half hour, in which lineout woes alas continued. 5/10
17) Dale Chadwick. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but I felt the scrums , if anything, looked a little better when he took the field. 6/10
18) Peet Marais. Another industrious cameo from the eager youngster. 6/10
19) Justin Downey. Hardly on for long enough to rate.
20) Cobus Reinach. On balance, performed just slightly better than McLeod. Also made mistakes, but brought a greater sense of urgency and also kept the defence guessing that little bit more. 6/10
21) Fred Zeilinga. The education continues. It wasn’t a great game, with kicking in particular sub-par in windy conditions, but Fred will improve. 5/10
22) Jaco van Tonder. Unused for a second week in a row. Tsk, tsk!


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  • Comment 1, posted at 16.09.13 10:11:34 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • I also think Chadwick helped our scrum out when he came on.

    Stick with him for the Cheetah`s this weekend please?

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.09.13 10:24:40 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 2) : I’m 95% sure he’ll start again

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.09.13 10:34:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • What did Ballie do he spent a week with the Sharks and from what I read here scrums are still a problem for the Sharks. ( Don’t see Curry Cup games here in NZ)

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.09.13 10:39:47 by Dynamite Reply

  • Did anyone get a closer look at one of the Kwas tries. Kwas had the ball and were pushing hard for the line. As first it looked legit but in the corner of the picture I swear I saw Charl get tackled by two players out of his defensive position. This gap was where the try was scored.

    I didn’t get a chance to see the try again and the vid stream was really poor so I might have been wrong.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.09.13 10:49:12 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 5) : Yes you are correct, Charl even asked the ref to go to the TMO but both the ref and linesman said they were happy.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.09.13 11:05:37 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Dynamite (Comment 4) : Ian, I think it was only one session and was not a coaching one as such but more an info session regarding the new scrum laws – Rob can, and has worded it better somewhere else. He will apparently have the same session with all the unions.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.09.13 11:13:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 5) : You’re right on that one. I’m not convinced that Charl would have prevented the try had he been allowed to help out on defence but the Kwas should have been pinged on principle alone. I have a feeling that the crowd really got under the ref’s skin though as he really should have carded Marnus Schoeman after his upteenth breakdown infringement. But that’s the homefield advantage I guess?

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.09.13 11:52:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I didn’t watch the game, but I hear Nick Schonert gave his former teammate, Danie Mienie a real work over in the scrum. Both were the the starting props for Sharks u21s this time last year and now facing each other in the senior Currie Cup.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.09.13 13:25:20 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 9) : Schonert killed him!

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.09.13 14:02:49 by SheldonK Reply

  • I saw no skew throws so why are Kyle and Monde docked points because the locks cant out jump or out wit their opposition,i got 3 sons and they all play hooker so look i am touchy when it comes to lineouts,but please the poor lineouts are a combination of hooker locks and very importantly supporters,one of them slips up and the hooker is the culprit.Famous statement “hooker cant find his jumpers”but the flippen lock just jumps straight up with no support and is only 10cm off the ground and then the hooker is kak.Lineouts are team work.Skew throw yes,the rest not so sure.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.09.13 14:29:09 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • Scrumhalf puts the ball in the scrum,his team losses a tighthead is it his fault???hooker throws ball in lock misses it,hooker cant find his locks and is kak 😕

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.09.13 14:44:12 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 11) : Yeh 100%, its often the lifters that are too slow to get there and the ball goes over the top.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.09.13 14:50:46 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : you forgot to add”and then the hooker is kak,or cant find his jumpers” :mrgreen: .Had a light hearted argument with a club coach in Durban the other day,he said there are no hookers in Durban that can throw,and i said that we have no lineout forwards that can out smart the opposition in Durban.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.09.13 15:08:10 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 14) : I dont think its a case of out-smarting opposition. I just truly think in KZN we have lazy forwards. Slow to breakdowns, slow to lift jumpers, jumpers to slow to get off the ground. In the modern game if you are slow it doesnt matter ur variation the opposition will steal your ball.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.09.13 15:26:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : all locks are 2m tall,they stand a meter apart in the lineout so if you dont have dummy moves and dummy jumpers who is going to win the ball??you have to out smart them,short throw to the front seems to be a new one that works.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.09.13 15:39:12 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 11) : Bobby – I hear what you’re saying and understand where your passion comes from. I like to think that I’ve apportioned blame appropriately to the locks as well, but perhaps in hindsight I was a little too kind to Hewitt and somewhat harsh on Monde.

    Kyle and Steph got exactly the same rating, though.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.09.13 15:43:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 12) : Hooker is also an important part of the front row at scrum time. Take that scrum that Griquas scored from. Sure, we were pushed backwards but unless I’m very much mistaken, Kyle didn’t manage to hook the ball at all. Not saying it’s all his fault, but also not willing to accept he’s blameless.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.09.13 15:45:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : spot on

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.09.13 15:57:17 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : if your scrum is not 100% solid, you cannot lift your foot to hook,you way to kind on our locks,chumlee was ok in the scrum.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.09.13 16:00:29 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 20) : it’s possible I overcompensated for the good work Hewitt did with ball in hand this week.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.09.13 16:02:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : puppy has scrummed against all of our hookers and he rates Monde as one of the best at the sharks.sorry bit of useless info

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.09.13 16:11:35 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 22) : that’s not useless at all… Monde is a bit of an unknown quantity, to be honest, because the poor sod simply never gets any game time. Also, your man in the street is unlikely to have a particularly informed opinion about how well a particular hooker scrums because it’s not something you can really “see” in a game.

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.09.13 16:30:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 22) : KZN Duikers won 44 -10 against Free state CD

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.09.13 16:33:44 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • With 3 sons all of whom played in the middle of the front row, Bobby 26 is a man with a lot of knowledge of hookers :lol:, so we’d do well to listen even though in his day he was quite in the back row not the front row :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.09.13 16:37:48 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 25) : correction there, all 3 still play

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.09.13 16:44:45 by Ludz Reply

  • @Ludz (Comment 26) : you were thinking of my 3 hookers and not my sons,

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.09.13 16:52:02 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 27) : so you know a lot about hookers?

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.09.13 16:59:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 27) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.09.13 17:02:15 by Ludz Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : with a face and IQ like mine there is always a price to pay.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.09.13 17:06:46 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 30) : I know that feeling, oh yes I do!

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.09.13 17:17:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 30) : @robdylan (Comment 31) : 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.09.13 18:20:21 by Ludz Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 7) : OK Thanks.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.09.13 21:02:53 by Dynamite Reply

  • @Dynamite (Comment 4) : All Currie Cup games are live on the rugby channel in NZ, with some replays during the week.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.09.13 22:11:38 by MysticShark Reply
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