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Sharks player ratings v Cheetahs


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 23 Sep 2013 at 10:06
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Those of you who can’t stand seeing me gush, rather avert your eyes…

The Sharks put in possibly their most completely performance of the year in dispatching the Cheetahs by 50 points to 26. In a team showing that scores a healthy 8.5 out of 10, let’s rate the individuals concerned.

1) Dale Chadwick. Scrummed superbly and was ever-present in the loose as well, putting in strong tackles and carrying the ball up well. His impact on the Sharks set piece was telling and I feel this must come close to best 80 minutes we’ve yet seen from the player. 8/10
2) Kyle Cooper. Quite simply, if he keeps playing like this, there can be no other contender for the third Bok hooking spot on the end of year tour. Pin-point line-outs, destructive scrummaging (including a hooked tight-head) and a brilliant display in the loose that saw him instrumental in no fewer than four of the Sharks’ seven tries. 9/10
3) Wiehahn Herbst. Did a real number on Trevor Nyakane at scrum time and was otherwise busy and effective. Came oh-so-close to a second try in two weeks as well. 8/10
4) Peet Marais. Huge work rate from a young man who’s not afraid to get stuck in. Marais has tended to fade a little in his earlier starting appearances – the week he maintained that intensity for the duration of his spell on the field. 8/10
5) Pieter-Steph du Toit. His calling of the line-outs was utterly superb, with only one going awry late in the match once the game was already won. Carried the ball strongly and often turned situations to the Sharks’ advantage simply by being that much quicker and more “awake” than the players around him. What a talent! 9/10
6) Marcell Coetzee. We’ve seen him carry the ball up strongly – we’ve seen him tackle like a machine. We’ve seen him bounce and collide his way through 80 non-stop minutes of furious action without seeming to break a sweat. What we haven’t seen before, though, is Marcell managing to effectively compete at the breakdown while still doing all the above! His best game all year, no doubt. 9/10
7) Tera Mtembu. A very encouraging and solid first 80-minutes at this level. Tera is not afraid to get stuck in, even though his natural game is more reminiscent of Kankowski than it is of Deysel. The big man was ever-present both on attack and defence and showed deft touches on a few occasions, with a superb quick pass, in particular, starting the run-up to Cobus Reinach’s try. 8/10
8) Keegan Daniel. Anyone who still has any doubts about Keegan’s best position should be sentenced to watch this game on repeat until they change their mind. In fact, I can think of no kinder punishment! Daniel’s anticipation, timing and handling simply set him apart from any other forward currently playing the game in South Africa. A monstrous game from a man who looks like he wants to put the unhappy year to date behind him. 9/10

9) Charl McLeod. The benefit of the rotation system at scrumhalf can be clearly seen, with each man pushing the other to make the most of his opportunities on the field. McLeod was at his best while on the park, ensuring crisp, clean ball to his flyhalf all day long. What more can you ask? 8/10
10) Fred Zeilinga. Look, I need to dock a point here for the missed kicks. In a closer game, those would have made a difference. What we have to acknowledge, though, is just how amazingly good the rest of the Sharks backs look with a player like Zeilinga putting them into space. His vision and distribution are simply uncanny, while he tackles well above his weight as well. And did I mention he’s only 20? 8/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. A far stronger game, capped off with two great tries. How was the catch ahead of the second one? Superb! 8/10
12) Heimar Williams. Isn’t it refreshing to see a young man, who has been patiently waiting for his chance while honing his craft, taking his opportunity with such assurance – and such relish? Heimar has been simply great for every minute he’s worn that jersey this season and his freakish try-scoring streak continued this week, along with his all-round great form. 9/10
13) Tim Whitehead. A great combination with Williams, particularly on defence. Question-marks about Whitehead’s pace as a 13 remain, but on the day, he did all that was asked of him and picked up a maiden Sharks Currie Cup try to boot. 8/10
14) Odwa Ndungane. Sometimes the ball just doesn’t go your way and that pretty much summed up Odwa’s afternoon. While he remained solid and worked hard throughout – particularly effective as an alternate scrumhalf – he just wasn’t as involved in as many magic moments as some of the other backs. 7/10
15) SP Marais. Another player who is writing his name on a green jersey for the end of year tour, with the performances he’s putting in. Admittedly SP wasn’t challenged at all on defence this week, so we got to see his attacking game in all its glory. 9/10

16) Monde Hadebe. I guess it’s hard to live up to the sort of performance Cooper put in over the weekend. Monde held his own, but has some way to go in order to be a serious challenger to the incumbent. 7/10
17) Danie Mienie. Snuck into the 22 unannounced this week and took a little initial heat on the tight-head side of the scrum, where he’s a make-shift option at best. Settled reasonably, though and put in some very good work in the loose too. 6/10
18) Edwin Hewitt. Gets better week by week. Took some great lineout ball and threw his body around with abandon. 8/10
19) Brynard Stander. I must confess that I noticed Brynard very little after he came on. He’s been out injured for a while, though and will get another chance against the Lions, I’m sure. 6/10
20) Cobus Reinach. A great cameo from one of the quickest (and quickest-witted) players in the Currie Cup. 8/10
21) Butch James. Had little to do other than tackle, but did that well. 7/10
22) Jaco van Tonder. A good performance from Jaco, including one particularly fine run down the right wing that proved instrumental in Reinach’s try. 8/10


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  • Fred kicked the ball 9 times, 5 of which were to clear our line. 3 were great attacking kicks while 1 went directly into touch. He ran twice gaining around 25 meters. The first ball was turned over. He made 11 passes and 2 great offloads. He did not knock any balls. But what is very impressive is this: He made 22 tackles on some big dudes, missed 3 (really only 1) as the other 2 were either a flying attempt at a runner and an effort in the scramble close to the maul.

    McLeod played for 53 minutes and made 5 passes before our first try was scored, 14 times before our second try. In all he passed 33 times letting the ball fall on the floor twice. But then again the receivers were standing of in clumps and not running into the ball. He made 4 great tackles, The best was on a cruising Boom Prinsloo, took a tap n go to create momentum and secured a good foot in touch catch to gain meters. He made 1 run to gain about 25meters, kicked 3 box kicks to gain ground, helped to clear the maul 3x, took a good up and under ball and distributed it despite being hit when his feet touched the floor.
    He gave away 1 penalty judged to be offside by the linesman. But with advantage of TV and slowmo, he was onside. (The same applies for the penalty against Odwa and Pstd.)

    Kobus played for 29 minutes, passed 9 balls (1on the floor,) kicked 2 balls to gain meters, 1 charged down and 1 into touch to lose ground. He ran about 20 meters and followed up beautifully to snatch the final try. He assisted in the maul once and made 3 tackles of which the best was on a flying Benjamin.

    This shows that they were able to play at least 48 balls from the base of the scrum, apart from the pick and go’s. Now realize how hard the team worked to get an distribute such great ball!! Very difficult to pick a MOTM when your hooker floats a perfect pass to the winger who leaves Rhule in his wake, when Van Tonder runs, hands off a defender, puts in a perfect weighted kick and ensures the ball by turning the player on the floor and more!! Well done boys!! 😈

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.09.13 10:10:08 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Almost thought Tera got a 0, but I see you fixed it already, so now I can’t really make a joke of it like I wanted to πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.09.13 10:29:54 by Die Kriek Reply

     
  • I gladly accept the punishment,in fact the Sharks must now punish me like that evert time they play,I still think long term Mtembu should be backed at 8. What do we say about Fred,not supreme but sublime,I keep saying this Fred is like the previous,a proper 10 with kop and vision,he is like the other Fred,Daniel and Quade,you can’t teach this ,the Sharks have there proper 10 now

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.09.13 10:30:32 by benji Reply
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  • What to do when Lambie gets back…?

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.09.13 10:32:32 by woody Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 4) : I not sure but Fred is naturaly gifted 10,you can’t teach those skills,so I recken back him at 10 and Pat as back up

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.09.13 10:35:43 by benji Reply
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  • The scoring for Hadebe and Mienie should be lower in my opinion as they were really the only 2 that were poor on the weekend. Their scrums and lineout work was not good. Hadebe needs to throw the ball in with more pace. But otherwise a great performance. Would love to see that starting 15 with a stronger bench.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.09.13 10:39:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Pat is too quality a player to be playing back up though…but I think I agree that Fred is the way forwards

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.09.13 10:40:30 by woody Reply
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  • Guys, chill…. let’s see Fred play super Rugby before we start saying he’s better than Pat.

    Got to remember how weakened this competition is.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.09.13 11:02:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 5) : Prefer Pat at 10 – he’s got the experience. Use Fred on the bench and bring him on in the second half. We dont want to lose Pat to overseas. S15 is a huge step up from CC – let Fred blood himself first and gain some experience. Throw him in the deep end and we might break him. Without Ludik next season we need a good FB anyway, until we fill that spot, Pat is good to go.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.09.13 11:03:02 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : I second that!
    Fred still needs to go through the dungeons of desperation and the fumble for form that all fly halfs go through in their careers. Some rise to become true players while the rest fade away. Time will tell.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.09.13 11:17:23 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 4) : We shall be in the same place as now with McLeod & Kobus at no 9. Heaven!

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.09.13 11:19:13 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Wow, how fickle can we be?

    Pat is world class.

    Fred is still provincial class – by only a few games.

    It’s great to have a guy like Fred showing that he also has talent, but he’ll have to work really hard to be selected ahead of Lambie.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.09.13 11:33:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : Standard between Currie Cup and Super Rugby miles apart. Good to see the youngster doing well – but lets just wait before we proclaim him the next best thing

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.09.13 11:43:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Congrats to the team for a great showing as a unit (is our rotation policy already starting to pay dividends?)! Congrats to PSdT for the Bok call-up!

    We also need to congratulate both of Saturday’s refs for some really consistent officiating. Really impressed with how the ref in the Bulls/Lions game was willing to review a vital call he made.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.09.13 12:01:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ratings are very high. Would not drop too many 9s.

    Thought Keegan and Cooper had really good games. Marcel had a good game but is still lacking some of that offloading game that made him so effective in his breakthrough season.

    Our breakdowns ,once again ,weren’t good enough. Boom Prinsloo ,fighting a loan battle ,took us to pieces. I wonder what would have happened if the Cheetahs had a bit of depth.

    Just some perspective…

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.09.13 12:34:53 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 15) : Oh I dont know about a lone battle. Marius Jonker was very kind to the Cheetahs players at the breakdown and not rolling away or just falling on the ball. Marcel doesnt offload well but id prefer him to gain the yards and go to ground rather than try make a silly offload and lose the ball.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.09.13 12:53:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 15) : It got the feeling that the Sharks were purposefully not committing many players to both offensive and defensive breakdowns. I think the tactic was worth the risk in this case and paid off handsomely against the Cheetahs. Keep in mind that we also managed to pilfer some Cheetah ball at vital stages. I felt we contested and won ball in the right areas on the field.

    Having said all that, this does not invalidate the point that there is definitely issues that we need to work on at our breakdowns.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.09.13 13:02:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Not sure why the question marks around Whiteheads pace.
    If you’re talking about his try, I initially thought he looked a bit sluggish getting there but in watching the replay you can literally see him look up, see that there are only fatties in front of him and just jog in. He was nowhere near even attempting to sprint.

    If you ask me whether I want a 1 dimensional speed merchant like Andre Snyman or a slower, more intelligent Conrad Smith type at 13, I would take Smith every day of the week.

    Great performances from Cooper and Coetzee. The whole front row were great in fact.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.09.13 15:59:21 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 18) : I just watched it twice…. tempted to agree, to an extent.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.09.13 16:20:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • With regards to Fred: I must say he’s looking good at 10 and a lot of those missed kicks were very hard kicks. Pat will have to work to get the jersey back, but competition is always good just look at Charl and Cobus.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.09.13 16:22:47 by JD Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 18) : Agreed

    @JD (Comment 20) : Pahaha πŸ˜† πŸ˜† yeeeer knee slapper…work to get his jersey back, jumping the gun there ,ey?

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.09.13 16:53:07 by Talent Reply
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  • Last week some people left out Marcell out of their S15 squad for next year – Saturday he had a blinder. Now it seems it is Lambie’s turn to be discarded 😯

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.09.13 17:49:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : people who are putting together a “perfect” or “first choice” match 23 are just proving they don’t understand how Venter thinks.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.09.13 18:11:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Am I the only one who can’t really rave about the game? Were we really a 50 point team?

    Don’t agree with the rave reviews of Fred Zed nor SPM, who I remember commenting to my mate should go back to Kings. Fred’s kicking out of hand and off the tee was school boyish and now we have bloggers reckoning Pat is down the pecking order !!

    IMHO a truer average for the team would be 6 at best 6.5. KD, PSDT, MC, KC, TW and HW as well as PM were above the ave. Fred and SP no more than 5.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.09.13 20:19:17 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Duly averted without reading.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.09.13 21:19:00 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • For those of you who don’t know Fred was almost a shoe in for SA Schools in matric until a horrible leg injury. He was touted as the next Johnny Wilkinson, tough and gritty all round flyhalf. How they chose Pollard over him for SA under19 only god knows, probably our obsession with size. He is a tough kid and in my opinion better than Lambie at flyhalf. Lambie for me is slightly over rated, lacks speed, kicks ok but never seems to break the line or make anything happen. Look at James O Connor and compare…

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.09.13 22:35:51 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 26) : you know I like to give you shit about the Glenwood thing, but Fred is one player I feel we’ve always agreed on.

    A truly superb talent and completely comfortable at this level, at only 20. As Lambie was at the same age, it must be said.

    As was said above, though, it’s a lot easier for a young flyhalf to look amazing in his first seasons when he’s an unknown quantity. Far harder to maintain that as the opposition start to study him more.

    Fred will play a big part in Super Rugby next year and I reckon will become a Bok in time. Once he achieves that (and not before), we can start meaningfully comparing him to Lambie.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.09.13 22:49:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 25) : pity you didn’t follow through and not comment either.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.09.13 22:50:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • I just have to laugh. Proven nothing yet…

    Lambie owns that Sharks 10 jersey as of right now and the foreseeable future. Our best all round 10 in the country and will likely be the next Bok 10 for a few years to come.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.09.13 23:53:53 by Talent Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : don’t think Lambies been discarded but just saying it might mot be cut and dry that he will be first choice 10 as Fred is using his chance, in any case Sharks needs both Fred and Pat to play next year.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.09.13 02:10:00 by JD Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 29) : only jersey a player owns should be the framed one hanging on the wall. No player has a right to a place in a team, that place should be worked for and the player must perform, even if your a super player like Pat. A little competition for the Sharks 10 jersey might just wake up super Pat to perform again but if he does not perform another player that performs must take his place.

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.09.13 02:15:52 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Rob I agree the second season is the hardest but Fred is playing good rugby now and the competition might just be a wake-up call for Pat. I like Pat but he’s been a bit of the boil this year, hope that gets sorted before super rugby next year as Sharks needs two 10’s to be on form in super rugby.

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.09.13 02:19:59 by JD Reply
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  • Fred has been pretty good and behind a dominant pack he had a great day at the office. The guy has potential that’s for sure. However Pat is a good 2 leagues ahead of Fred. You simply cannot compare Test rugby against the likes of All Blacks, Wallabies and even the Argies to CC… let alone SR. Pat is mixing it up with the best in world rugby. Fred still needs to survive SR.

    Pat’s “poor form” this year? Really? I can only imagine that it was because he didn’t set the world alight behind a struggling pack. I thought he did great under the pressure. Would people be raving about Fred this week if our forwards had not been so dominant this weekend?

    As far as game time goes for the both Pat and Fred… I think some have forgotten BV’s rotation policy. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.09.13 10:13:55 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Rob, agreed Fred has proved nothing yet, although 3 seasons or so of Currie Cup does mean he does have plenty of experience and has played behind losing packs. Whilst at school his pack was usually smaller and dominated, so he has experience there too. I genuinely believe he is in the same league as Lambie, give him an injury free SR season. I think he has a better flyhalf brain to Pat, a better boot and much quicker. He can cover scrum half too. Hopefully his lack of size does not count against him going forward….a Johnny Wilkinson clone…

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.09.13 10:26:57 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Rob, I wish you were right about SP Marais – but the Supersport commentators seemed to have declared that Marnitz Boshoff is the next big thing at 15 (just like they did with the perennially injured Jaco Taute) and so Meyer will follow suit.

    Ludik was the best 15 in SA for at least a year – but didn’t even enter contention. I realise it’s subjective – and we all have our favourites – but sometimes those blowhards at Supersport (and the selectors too) are just wrong.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.09.13 14:18:49 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 31) : Hold on ,before you start spewing more cliches ,let me remind you that you said Pat would have to work for his jersey, may I ask what exactly Fred has done so far to warrant him being considered above Lambie? He is definitely behind Lambie in pecking order and will be until he comprehensively outplays Lambie.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.09.13 15:42:43 by Talent Reply
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  • Lambie has been average at best this season. His pretty boy face is what has got him through with the fans.

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.09.13 19:20:54 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 37) : I’d say it’s the fact that they know he can produce better, not his pretty boy face. Come now are you that desperate to rank Fred ahead Pat that you have to sink so low. Come Hopper you know Freddy’s got the goods, let him prove it by himself.

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.09.13 20:09:22 by Ludz Reply

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  • Gents its all about time with the ball no matter who or where you play.Pat looks hurried & uncomfortable in all aspects, while Fred is composed and seems to have all day to do what he wants,that you cannot coach,that is what proper 10’s have

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.09.13 20:47:00 by benji Reply
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  • Wow ,we have some confused people on this blog!

    @benji (Comment 39) :Maybe because Fred is playing currie cup, not Super Rugby or Test Rugby, all of which Lambie looks composed in to me. Any way ,why dont you grace this blog with another lame(frankly untrue)cliche that someone like Owen Nkumane uttered because he didn’t have anything else to say.

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.09.13 21:10:40 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 40) : ok ,last descent game from Pat at 10 ,CC 2010

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.09.13 21:19:27 by benji Reply
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  • No seriously Pat is playing on reputation currently and not form. It’s not about Fred, he is just doing his best. Pat needs to take time out to rejuvenate himself. He seems slow, makes wrong decisions etc. Maybe it’s lack of game time. I mean he scored his first Bok try recently. James O Connor and other protΓ©gΓ©s had scored many more at the same stage. I think he is good but no better than Jantjies, Goosen etc.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.09.13 21:33:46 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Some good laughs on this thread. Pat a has-been already. .. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.09.13 21:45:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 43) : well the bloke is getting married already, jeez he is in a rush for everything. He is not a has been just not as great as everyone thinks. Similar protege like O Connor would run rings around him….and I hate O Connor. Same with Sexton from Ireland. The kid has absolutely no gas at all. Ever seen him break the line and sprint away for a try, not me….

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.09.13 22:26:32 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 43) : πŸ˜† have no clue what Benji has against the oke. With Grassy, it’s a case of Fred being a Glenwood Old Boy, it was this year when he posted that Kyle Cooper was a better hooker than Adrian Strauss.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.09.13 22:33:57 by Ludz Reply

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  • Instead of celebrating the fact that we have two great flyhalves available to us in a new Sharks era where we know a rotation policy is being implemented, there’s an argument about which is the ‘real’ flyhalf? I truly believe we as Sharks fans are better than this.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.09.13 23:01:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • It’s just pure silliness, is all πŸ˜†

    Lambie has played in a world cup semi final, currie cup final, super rugby final and on other stages Fred wasn’t even selected for and now there is a dispute(after one relatively good game-where Fred missed a lot of kicks at goal)who is better…

    Fred has potential, but at this point in time, and for the foreseeable future, he hasn’t a thing on Lambie. Whether that changes or not time will tell…

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.09.13 00:07:04 by Talent Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 41) : There are plenty of them .Don’t even start that with me because I am one persistent asshole and i’ll bury you in youtube videos or whatever material I can find, so that you’ll never question me again πŸ˜†

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.09.13 00:09:49 by Talent Reply
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  • We are lucky to have Pat and Fred, so looking rosy for another decade. It has nothing to do with being a Glenwood Old Boy, I was at school 17 years ago. Mark my words Kyle will be a Bok one day. Now we just need to get Fran’s Steyn fit again…

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.09.13 06:24:37 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • oy, you okes are going to get a wake-up p0Β£sklap when you see Fred’s missed tackle numbers….

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.09.13 09:34:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 49) :
    Ja, your profile pic shows your complete disinterestedness in all things Glenwood. πŸ˜†

    @robdylan (Comment 50) :
    😈

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