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Lambie starts at fullback


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 6 Nov 2013 at 14:39
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Heyneke Meyer has selected Pat Lambie as starting fullback in an experienced side to take on Wales this Saturday.

Frans Malherbe is set to make his debut, as well as young Pieter-Steph du Toit, albeit off the bench, in this match as Heyneke Meyer selects a few youngsters mixed in with the experience of Jaque Fourie and JP Pietersen.

The backline boasts the most caps ever in a Springbok backline, with Lambie the most inexperienced player of the lot. The midfield combination of Jena de Villiers and Jaque Fourie is reunited for the first time under the Meyer reign, while the back three of Pietersen, Bryan Habana and Pat Lambie has a certain attacking look to it.

Flip van der Merwe is selected to start alongside Eben Etzebeth, while the loose trio of Vermeulen, Alberts and Louw is unchanged from the last matches of the Rugby Championship.

As mentioned, the bench will see Pieter-Steph du Toit make his debut, while Adriaan Strauss, Guthro Steenkamp and Coenie Oosthuizen provide front row cover. Kolise will make an impact for one of the loose forwards.

It is the reserve backs that surprise somewhat, with Ruan Pienaar an expected selection, JJ Engelbrecht and Willie le Roux offer attacking options off the bench, but with no flyhalf cover, Johan Goosen misses out on selection.

Springboks: 15. Pat Lambie, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Jaque Fourie, 12. Jean de Villiers, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Morne Steyn, 9. Fourie Du Preez, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Flip van der Merwe, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.

Substitutes: 16. Adriaan Strauss, 17. Guthro Steenkamp, 18. Coenie Oosthuizen, 19. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20. Siya Kolisi, 21. Ruan Pienaar, 22. JJ Engelbrecht, 23. Willie le Roux.


112 Comments

  • Lambie at 15. 😯

    I hope instinct doesn’t kick in and he runs to the bench at the kick-off whistle.

    Also hope that he at least gets some time at 10. But I’m sceptical.

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.11.13 14:42:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Leaving out our most dangerous player, Willie, is a mistake. Other than that the only change I’d probably make is Piet for Flip and Bakkies on the bench!

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.11.13 14:42:26 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • HM really trying his best to stuff up Lambie’s career

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.11.13 14:42:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Pretty sad too see this happen

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.11.13 14:43:05 by Uli Reply
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  • Malberbe in for long afternoon. I would have had Adriaanse on the bench instead of Guthro incase Marhelbe folds. What a baptism of fire?!

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.11.13 14:43:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : I agree.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.11.13 14:44:20 by Uli Reply
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  • Not a bad team at all… 😎

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.11.13 14:46:12 by wpw Reply
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  • HM obviously thinks Lambie is a safer option than Willie at fullback. He’s right, but is safe what we want?

    But let’s all just take a moment to celebrate that Kirchner is nowhere in sight! 😀

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.11.13 14:46:26 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • If Lambie stays at 15 for the Scotland game and Meyer plays Goosen at flyhalf I might just commit arson! 😡

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.11.13 14:47:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Possibly the best Bok side that HM has picked IMO. While I would rather see Pat at 10 I’d also rather have him at 15 than Kirchner. Key will be how Malherbe stands up at tighthead.
    Glad to see Jacque Fourie back – JJ is not up to it defensively at 13 but I wouldn’t mind seeing him get a run on the wing.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.11.13 14:49:47 by steve Reply

     
  • PSdT on the bench!! Give him just 10 minutes and we’ll never see Juandre near the Green and Gold again!

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.11.13 14:51:04 by Die Kriek Reply

     
  • I have a suspicion that a large part of the Bok gameplan will involve chip-kicks over the Wales rush-defence ala Sharks vs WP which is probably why Lambie was selected at fullback. du Preez, Steyn and Lambie means there are enough kicking options to pull it off effectively.

    Also, no Kirchner and Coenie isn’t starting at TH! Woohoo!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.11.13 14:52:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 8) :

    That’s true. No Kirchner!

    Lambie at fullback is fine, he can still show of some of his qualities here. As long as he continues at 10 for the Sharks he’ll get his shot at 10 with the Boks at some point, without the frustration of getting no game time.

    All Blacks played Beauden Barrett at 15 and I don’t think they are even considering him as a full time option there, it’s just a way of keeping quality players happy when they haven’t been getting game time anywhere.

    There’s no reason why Lambie can’t play 10 for the Sharks and 15 for the Boks, it’s the other way around that will cause trouble, because it’s a lot harder shifting into the 10 position when you haven’t played there for a while, than the other way around.

    I’m just happy that he’s getting a start.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.11.13 14:53:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • Good side! Definite reasons for all his selections and I like the strong bench – players than can win you a game! Its going to be tough up front and baptism of fire for Malherbe.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.11.13 14:53:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • On a positive note, Meyer’s experiment with Coenie as a tighthead seems to be over..

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.11.13 14:53:18 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • So no one’s complaining about 5 overseas based players now (not even me). It’s hard to leave MOST of those guys out.

    I’d still like to find a way to keep at least a few more of them in SA.

    Just had to mention it again.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.11.13 14:56:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : Its the professional era. Pick the best no matter race, religion or place of residence

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.11.13 14:57:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : But then he’s still experimenting with Guthro, who is also a loose-head. I would have had Adriaanse for Guthro.

    Mostly happy with the team though. This is one excellent Bok team.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.11.13 14:57:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : He is still on the bench as tight head.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.11.13 14:58:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Good side – 6 sharks and would have been 7 if JD was there. Frans Malherbe due to have a long day? Adriaanse is on of the best scrummers in SA. TG Kirchner out. Go Bokke !

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.11.13 15:00:07 by Observer Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : The 5 starters (Morne purely for his goal kicking and nothing else) are the ones I have no / little problem with.

    Not so sure about Guthro – Ginger Ninja better. Pienaar only there because no local scrummy has put up a consistent showing this year.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.11.13 15:04:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) :

    I differ from your opinion.

    It’s the professional era – keep your best players in your country = New Zealand + Australia

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.11.13 15:05:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : Actually even Coenie is a better LH than Guthro

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.11.13 15:07:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) :
    I agree, these are key players of SA rugby, I’m really excited to see Fourie, Jacque and JPP back in the Bok backline – some of the best back line players SA has ever produced – too bad we have no way of keeping them in SA, our backline now has 2 players playing in SA. It’s just a little disappointing, but it seems with the way things are going, I’ll just have to get used to it.

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.11.13 15:08:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • I swear to whomever is listening, if Lambie now comes back to the Sharks full of ideas about playing 15, I’m going to have a meltdown.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.11.13 15:09:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : @Letgo (Comment 22) :

    But I don’t think we are going to convince each other, I just wanted to mention that the players that have been brought into the team, Fourie, JPP and Jacque is of such a high quality that that even those of us that don’t really want to see overseas based players in the team, want to see these guys in the team.

    It’s great to have some of our greatest players back together!

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.11.13 15:11:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : As a matter of interest – who is the Sharks kicking coach?

    Lambie just needs to sort out his goal kicking to be more consistent – so we can see the last of Morne at 10.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.11.13 15:12:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : We can never have central contracting in SA due to individuals wanting whats best for them rather than whats best for the country. When money is at stake in SA its every man for himself. So we either embrace the global economy or fight for 5th and 6th place.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.11.13 15:13:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Amen brother

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.11.13 15:13:52 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Lambie is South Africas best 10, even when Goosen is fully fit. Time to get an overseas coach. Time to end this bullshit blue bulls parade.

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.11.13 15:14:52 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    Don’t worry, I feel the same. He’s wasted at 15 for the Sharks, I do not however think it’s a complete waste to have him at 15 for the Boks. If Meyer can’t get himself to back Lambie at 10 then it’s way better to have him on the field than on the bench for the entire game and the entire tour.

    Also Meyer didn’t select a 10 cover for Morne, so we would have to assume that Lambie still fills this role.

    But yes, Lambie has to come back at 10 for the Sharks. Obviously Meyer don’t mind selecting him at 15 after having played two excellent games at 10, so he should just continue doing that for the Sharks.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.11.13 15:15:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 27) : That wouldst solve much ,Meyer will only pick Morne. We won’t beat the All Blacks and with his philosophy about bulk we wont stand a chance against the Kiwi’s fast outside backs.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.11.13 15:16:43 by Talent Reply
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  • Watch Jake White ,with Eddie Jone’s whispering in his ear(if he is not bedridden),put Lambie at 15…

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.11.13 15:17:57 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : That would be the worst.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.11.13 15:20:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Lambie is our 10 and must stay there! The exposure will just make his fullback play better.

    Does anyone remember that Stephen Larkham (what a legend!) started his career at fullback and was phased into the flyhalf role? Lambie is still going to be a legend at 10 for the Boks.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.11.13 15:23:09 by StevieS Reply
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  • Well I’m just glad Pat is not warming the bench. Also jumping for joy Kirchner is “gone”! Frans is a mystery, hopefully HM knows something that we don’t. Hope PSDT gets at least 30 mins to show the rugby world his true class.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.11.13 15:28:17 by kenilworthshark Reply

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  • Lambie at fullback…

    I believed back in 2011 his international future is in that position, and I have not changed my mind much.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.11.13 15:28:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 35) :

    I have to agree with that. He’s 23. It is till very young to be seen as even a possible selection in a position like fly-half. He just needs to be patient – like only Lambie can be.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.11.13 15:29:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • I think Lambie is over the moon that he is starting a game for the Boks. Any player should be extremely grateful to get the chance to play for their country in any position. So if he is selected at left wing he should still be extremely happy. If players arent happy playing for their country no matter where or when then I personally wouldnt want them representing my country. This is a good team, lets back them to do the job against a very string Welsh side.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.11.13 15:30:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 37) :

    Wat weet JY nou? 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.11.13 15:30:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • This is what we get for not rotation Jannie, a rookie scrumming against a veteran!

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.11.13 15:33:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 37) :

    Did you not also want to make Jean de Villiers a flyhalf at some stage? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.11.13 15:34:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 42) :

    Bastards never bought that, but most of my suggestions comes off!

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.11.13 15:37:57 by Morné Reply
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  • A far greater mystery is no Bakkies…

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.11.13 15:38:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : Bakkies only arriving in Wales today. So i was not surprised not to see him on the team sheet

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.11.13 15:45:13 by The Hobbit Reply
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  • @The Hobbit (Comment 45) :

    Aaah, then it makes sense.

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.11.13 15:47:01 by Morné Reply
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  • Finaly its PSDT time to shine, but HM must really make up his mind about Lambie!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.11.13 15:47:29 by Tiny Reply

     
  • @Morné (Comment 46) : Do you think Marherbe keep his side strong?

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.11.13 15:50:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 48) :

    Frans is in for one hell of an afternoon and debut. Folks rate his technical ability which is crucial under the new law, but what makes any prop good is experience and although you have to start somewhere, this is a bloody tough test of the man’s ability.

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.11.13 15:55:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : oh goodness no, you don’t want to pick Pat at left wing.

    He’s too slow to play in the back 3. Time will prove me right on this.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.11.13 15:55:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 42) :
    That also always made sense to me, especially when we were really struggling for options at 10. He has a great sense for the game and is very calm under pressure – it’s only his kicking game that I think would have been lacking.

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.11.13 15:55:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) :

    What will definitely help Frans is he is making his debut in a somewhat settled pack of forwards but I think he is in for a tough afternoon.

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.11.13 15:56:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : Do you think Adriaanse would have been a better option?

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.11.13 15:58:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) :
    I’m backing him to make a solid debut. Based on Nick Mallet’s opinion of him.

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.11.13 15:59:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    I’m with you on this one.

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.11.13 15:59:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • HM is a troll!! He tells Pat Lambie to specialize – so he does at flyhalf. Then he picks him for the Springboks and only really uses him as a fullback.

    The man is a chop and is ruining careers!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.11.13 16:00:33 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : I would have liked Adriaanse on the bench instead of Guthro and let Coenie cover LH incase Malherbe struggles.

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.11.13 16:01:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 53) :

    Not necessarily. I might be wrong but I think Frans has more Super Rugby experience than Adriaanse? Bot are still fairly inexperienced at international level and Frans was with the Boks in 2012 already too. Prop and especially tight head prop is probably the most difficult position to make a debut in at any level.

    I would have had Adriaanse on the bench instead of Gurthro though.

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.11.13 16:02:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 54) :

    The Welsh have a very good scrum, and very experienced front row. I hope Frans’ nerves settles quickly.

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.11.13 16:03:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : I dont think Lambie will ever get picked at left wing…ever! Unless Barney becomes coach and wants to play 10 himself! I dont think Lambie is too slow…would love to see his 40m time compared with others in the squad. Ive always liked him at fullback since seeing him play for Sharks u21. Yes he can do a job at 10 but I just think he reads the game so well at 15. Then again didnt he make his Sharks debut at 12? So yeh lets pick him at 12. Hell he probably hits more rucks than Juandre Kruger so lets play him at flank if there is space. Hows that loose trio for the Sharks…Lambie/Alberts/Deysel

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.11.13 16:07:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 58) :
    Good geuss, Adriaanse played 30 for the Cheetahs between 2011 and 2013, while Malherbe has played 32 for the Stormers since 2011.

    I think it is mostly up to who you prefer. Then you can also look at their age, which should count for experience, Adriaanse is 25 while Malherbe is very young for a prop at 22.

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.11.13 16:09:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 61) :

    Let both develop under Jannie and our stocks in this department suddenly looks good for 2015 and beyond (and Coenie can play loosehead again).

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.11.13 16:10:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) :
    Yep, I agree with that. Coenie is much better as a loosehead and I like them both Frans and Adriaanse as tightheads.

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.11.13 16:14:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • Lambie must play 15 or go home. Steyn is our worldcup 10 and that never gonna change with 20 games left. I think lambie will make a good 15. Would have started adriaanse at 3 with malherbe on bench…..but ok atleast its not coenie!! Really like this team!! Sry about willie, he’s a good player, but he’s tactical kicking not so good. In NH u need a kicking 15

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.11.13 16:46:16 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 64) : If we go to the world cup with Steyn we will go nowhere. He is good at kicking the goals and that is it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.11.13 16:48:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • In a worldcup that’s all u need!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 06.11.13 16:54:15 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • About playing overseas: think they should get some guidelines for the 4years between worldcups…..2016 and 2017 the guys with more than 25caps can take a two years sabbatical[and make money] and be back for two years ; guys with 50+ caps gets three years; and then everybody plays in 2019 in SA…worldcup year!

  • Comment 67, posted at 06.11.13 17:01:36 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • I think Lambie at 15 is probably the best idea.

    I dont think he has the talent, composure or physical attributes to be a Bok flyhalf. In a provincial side like the Sharks, despite the CC win, he can suffice and a bandaid can be placed over his, erm… short-comings. But not at international level.
    Besides, he’s not Afrikaans, so its a no-go unfortunately. The Bok flyhalf berth is reserved for Afrikaners to an even greater degree than the beaches were for white people pre-94.

    That said, at fullback he should be okay. He’s a marginally better option to Kirchner, so a slight improvement there. He can run a bit and kick a bit, just like Kirchner, but could perhaps be entrusted to kick at posts if the Boks lost a few players. Kirchner’s not really a place-kicker.
    He might be good for a season or two until Willie gets his feet under the desk. He may even make the World Cup squad and get to hold tackle bags; possibly even a bench place for when we play the weaker sides in the pool games. Not the Samoans, of course; I’m sure the Boks would struggle to even get insurance cover for that.

    So best result all round I think. Except for Willie Meyer; he has reason to feel hard-done by.

  • Comment 68, posted at 06.11.13 18:28:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : Willie Meyer? Been at the sauce again?

  • Comment 69, posted at 06.11.13 18:42:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) :
    To what address do I send your Dvd with the last 10 minutes of the 2013 CC Final?

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.11.13 18:43:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : @robdylan (Comment 69) : @Big Fish (Comment 70) : Whatever Vin has been on I want some! I’ll fly through the rest of the week 😉

    I struggle to come up with a South African player (outside of Morne taking a shot at poles) who has more composure.

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.11.13 18:59:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : @Big Fish (Comment 70) : @StevieS (Comment 71) :

    Ah, you guys need to take off your black and white glasses.
    You guys sound more biased than Heineken Meyer.

    Sies man.

    He doesnt have the good dudes. If he had, he would long since have displaced Steyn and Goosen.

    He’s simply a stop-gap until we find the next Springbok flyhalf. Like, you know, a real flyhalf? One that stands taller than a hobbit?

    And again – you guys are missing the point – he cant be Bok flyhalf – he’s English FFS.

  • Comment 72, posted at 06.11.13 19:53:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) :

    Sure – I’ll send the last ten minutes of the 1997 3rd Lions test right back to you.
    You remember the one where Jannie de Beer single-handedly won us the game?

    That didnt make him a legend anymore than the last 10 minutes of Saturday will make little Cupid a legend…

  • Comment 73, posted at 06.11.13 19:56:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Maybe we could stretch Lambie a little bit and get another foot out of him?

    Or we could use him to advertise the dangers of smoking while pregnant?

  • Comment 74, posted at 06.11.13 20:00:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 59) :

    Its not Frans I’m worried about… its the Beast. Adam Rhys Jones is no slouch!

  • Comment 75, posted at 06.11.13 20:02:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • “Warriors, come out to plaaaaaay…”

  • Comment 76, posted at 06.11.13 20:17:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) :

    Lol, seems Ive confused my willy(ies)…

  • Comment 77, posted at 06.11.13 20:19:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I cannot tell you guys how excited I am to not see Kirchner there. I am also astounded the Lambie is getting a start in this test, even at 15. I would prefer him at 10 but it’s better than the bench and it’s certainly better than Kirchner. However, we shouldn’t get too excited as we are very likely to see Kirchner start the second test, maybe with Lambie at 10 (hopefully). Overall, it’d be nice to this experienced backline firing.

  • Comment 78, posted at 06.11.13 20:45:43 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 78) : Lambie 10 all the way

  • Comment 79, posted at 06.11.13 21:04:20 by Talent Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 73) :
    What are you on about Sonny-Jim? I simply thought you might want to see the parts of the game that you missed.

  • Comment 80, posted at 06.11.13 21:14:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : What a load of crap. Please name the two Springbok fly halves when we won the World Cups. That’s it Joel Stransky and Butch James. Afrikaans? No I don’t think so. English speaking Sharks players. Funny coincidence Lambie is also an English speaking Sharks player.
    Fly halves since Joel and the World Cup of 1995 Jannie de Beer, Gaffie du Toit, Braam van Straaten, Louis Koen, Jaco van de Westhuyzen, Butch James, Andre Pretorius, Derick Hougaard, Meyer Bosman, Ruan Pienaar, Peter Grant and Morne Steyn. Percy Montgomery and Francois Steyn also featured at fly half. Looking at that list and thinking about talent, composure and attributes to be a bok flyhalf. Wow I would comment but I don’t think you watched the Currie Cup Final, semi final this year and super rugby and bok games Lambie has played so it would be unfair to comment.

  • Comment 81, posted at 06.11.13 21:30:25 by markp Reply

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  • @markp (Comment 81) : You’re trying to reason with the Cape’s most popular current export – sour grapes. Don’t waste your time.

  • Comment 82, posted at 06.11.13 21:42:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : “Waiter, I’ll have what he’s having!”

  • Comment 83, posted at 06.11.13 22:09:38 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • guys, Vinnie is trolling. It’s really rather easy to spot…

  • Comment 84, posted at 06.11.13 23:11:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Its a regressive Bok side with a bunch of geriatrics in the backline.

    Talk about taking a step backwards and plain stupidity leaving two of our best attacking players out in Willie and JJ.

    Willie should have started at 15, JJ at 13, Lambie at 10, PSDT at 5 and Kolisi at 6

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.11.13 00:34:24 by Saffex Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 10) : JJ not up to it defensively huh, what crap. His stats in two tests against the Kiwi’s who happen to be the best side in the game, was 12 tackles made, 1 tackle missed.

    JJ has been great this year and a far better option than Fourie who has past it

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.11.13 00:37:54 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : Wrong Coenie is the bench tighthead, with useless Guthro the bench loosehead. Coenie has been solid all year off the bench for the Boks, so should have started ahead of Malherbe

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.11.13 00:40:08 by Saffex Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : You are a hoot and a half my friend. That line “Lambie does not have the talent or composure to play flyhalf”….My god man what are you on???

    He is the ONLY BOK FLYHALF I have seen to hold his nerve in a team where the Bok pack was getting smashes – Wellington 2011 he played 10 with a 2nd rate pack and the NZ commentators were still singing his praises on Defense, attack and tactically.

    Your comment is laughable….especially if you think Morne Steyn has the ‘talent’…do you??

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.11.13 02:59:17 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 86) : A bit harsh on some players but in general you are right (except Coenie). Pick a golden oldies team will not win world cups. Why doesnt he just ask Jake what he would do – 6 years ago???

    Players like Lambie, JJ, Le Roux, Serfontein, etc are the future and need developing and game time now. 20 tests is plenty to prepare for the World Cup

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.11.13 03:01:48 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Ouens…. dis nogal ‘n fokken grap en fokkop as jy nie ‘n oog vir jong talent het nie!?!?!?!!?
    That’s all i’m saying about Heineken and his teams…
    Trust me… next year we are going to see Victor and bakkies as lock combo!

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.11.13 08:38:13 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @Saffex (Comment 86) :

    I don’t completely agree on JJ and Jacque. JJ has a lot to learn in this position. He was good in some of his games, but disappeared a little in others. I don’t know in what type of form Fourie is, but he was one of the best SA produced over the years and I’m sure JJ will benefit from learning a couple of things from him. If Jacque’s form is of, JJ will be ready to jump in of the bench.

    As for Willie le Roux, I totally agree that he should have started at 15. I’m really glad that Lambie is getting a start, but think that it is such a waste of time playing him there when one of the most exciting backs SA has produces, maybe ever, needs more game to to work on becoming a rounded international player. You can’t expect Willie to grow if you’re not going to back him against Wales, Scotland and the likes.

    And this just because HM wants to make room for a player that’s clearly better than he wants to admit, but that he just refuses to use in the position where he has been most brilliant over the years. Lambie, I think, will benefit from another start in the Springbok jersey, even if it is at 15, but Meyer should have started him at 10, or played him 20-30mins of the bench and possibly then starting him at 10 against scotland.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.11.13 08:43:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • So seeing as everyone harping on about youngesters and old timers. Would anyone like to put together 2 Bok sides. An over 30s Bok side and an under 30s Bok side. Would be interesting to compare.

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.11.13 08:44:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 91) : I think Lambie must be over the moon at least starting a game, but I can’t help think it would have been better if he rather got 30 minutes at 10 from the bench.

    I hope that HM subs Morne for a change, Lambie moves to 10 and Willie to 15. But unfortunately I am expecting Willie to replace Lambie with Morne playing the whole game

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.11.13 09:02:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 86) : Crap? You are either JJ’s agent, brother or lover but in any event what is clear is that your knowledge of centre play is non existent. He had the worst defensive record of any centre over the entire Super rugby season – that is nowhere near good enough for an international 13. A point best illustrated by his pathetic attempt on a tackle on Barrett at Ellis Park.
    I will acknowledge that JJ is big and fast and asks questions on attack but that is only half of his job at 13. If you want to see what a quality international 13 is go and watch a few recordings of Conrad Smith and you might learn something.

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.11.13 09:35:42 by steve Reply

     
  • @Saffex (Comment 85) : And if you are going to throw stats around get your numbers right. In the final game against NZ he made 3 tackles and missed 2. He actually missed 7 tackles over the Rugby Championship.
    His tackle stats of 34 missed tackles in super rugby – 3rd highest overall tell the story.

    http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/rugbychampionship.html?refresh=1383810380695

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.11.13 09:47:19 by steve Reply

     
  • @steve (Comment 94) : Cannot imagine how anyone can compare Jacque Fourie and JJ Engelbrecht. We have a serious lack of quality outside centres and this is the only reason JJE made the side. Would personally prefer Jan Serfontein to develop at outside centre should we be looking at the future.

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.11.13 10:31:28 by Bite me Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 95) : Dude ,you cant argue with a guy who watches a game with pen and paper in hand ,and conducts an unbiased statistical analysis. 😆

    JJE is kak at center. Does anyone remember when Le Roux ran a switch line ,drawing two Kiwi’s ,and Engelbrecht ran brainlessly down the touch line-either to scared to make the switch or to doff?

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.11.13 10:49:09 by Talent Reply
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  • But ,ill concede ,Meyers man management is awful.

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.11.13 10:51:53 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 97) : I am beginning to suspect he watches with his JJ blow up doll seated next to him on the couch.
    I am no fan of Heynecke Meyer. IMO he lacks the imagination to develop a game plan with sufficient variation to consistently challenge NZ.

    The glaring difference between us and NZ in the final test at Ellis Park was on defence. While JJ was not good enough he wasn’t the worst. That accolade goes to Willie le Roux, another good attacking player, who made 1 tackle and missed 6. Morne Steyn was next having made 5 and missed 5.
    Contrast that with the NZ midfield;
    Conrad Smith – made 11 and missed 1
    Ma’a Nonu – made 10 and missed 2

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.11.13 11:43:57 by steve Reply

     
  • Don’t all get too excited about Kirchner’s absense.

    I read somewhere that he and Bakkies were only joining the team on Wednesday. The article was mainly about Bakkies, but they slipped in the Kirchner comment.

    Not sure where he has been? But that’s obviously why he wasn’t selected this week. The next 2 games will see him there for sure I reckon 😥

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.11.13 11:57:42 by CS Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 99) : To listen to Steve Hansen speak he doesn’t strike one as the most creative thinker either… and yet look what he achieves.

    Meyer may yet surprise us.

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.11.13 12:01:38 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 101) : I think the difference is that he has some really good assistant coaches though.

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.11.13 12:02:42 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 102) : Rugby’s actually a simple game… all it requires is for a team to get the basics 100% right and to ensure the gameplan isn’t too one dimensional (read: too predictable).

    Did we lose to the All Blacks this year because they were more creative and dynamic than us (which they defintely were), or did we lose because our defence was weak (ie. the basics weren’t there)?

    My point: Having a creative coach isn’t going to win us games if the players can’t make their tackles

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.11.13 12:14:56 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 103) : I’m not arguing with you and I don’t think creative coaches have anything to do with it.

    My point is that the AB assistant coaches are better and more experience than the Boks ass. coaches. As much as I like Ricardo and Pieter de Villiers what other top line coaching experience do they have?

    Ricardo was the assistant coach in the junior structures of the Bulls and I’d lie if I said I knew where Pieter coached before that. Now compare them to the AB assistant coaches, one of whom is Ian Foster who has won Super Rugby with the Chiefs. It’s too completely different levels.

    I’m not saying ours are bad, I can’t say I don’t know. But I am pretty sure that having experienced being coach at a higher level and knowing what works at those levels will mean that you will be able to bring more value to the coaching table.

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.11.13 12:24:45 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 103) : I agree that it is fundamentally a simple game and that execution of the basics and “accuracy” are paramount.
    It is self evident that if you fall short on the basics in an international you will lose.
    I think that what differentiates NZ from another good international side is the dimension they bring in addition to getting the basics right – they are not predictable.
    I thought that we actually attacked far better than we have done previously under HM at times this season but our defence was poor.
    Maybe HM does have a plan.

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.11.13 12:33:26 by steve Reply

     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Willie le Roux is a boss at chip kicks though so if that is the plan why not include him in the place of Bryan Habana (to give him a break from the hectic schedule) or JP Pietersen?

  • Comment 106, posted at 07.11.13 15:28:04 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • I think HM deserves support. We haven’t had a bad season. I would liked to have seen Lambie at flyhalf but let’s see how he does at fullback (hopefully well). More has been putting in decent performances. I think it would have been better to let le Roux start in place of Pietersen but perhaps giving him a break isn’t a bad idea. 🙂

  • Comment 107, posted at 07.11.13 15:31:25 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 107) :
    Anyone who wouldn’t pick Fourie ahead of JJ or JP ahead of Willie le Roux needs to enter rehab.

  • Comment 108, posted at 07.11.13 16:08:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) :

    I would agree with you, but with one caveat. We havent seen these boys play in a long while. 2 months is a long time in rugby; two years is a lifetime.
    I’m happy to throw them into the mix in the NH, would be much less comfortable if it was a RC game though.

  • Comment 109, posted at 07.11.13 19:37:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : You, sir, are clearly delusional. Rehab doesn’t enter into it. Lord knows, I’ve been there enough, but not even during my wildest chemical-induced hallucinations (and they’ve been plenty wild!) would I have dreamed of selecting JJ ahead of Fourier or Le Roux ahead of JPP :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 07.11.13 20:13:46 by Culling Song Reply
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  • With regards to th props,anyone still remember wp nel from the cheetahs now playing for edinburgh?just saw a clip of him scoring a 40m try earlier this year against leinster.seems like he has added a dummy pass to his reportoire.he was a tough scrummager for the cheetahs.and difficult to stop close to the tryline-bit of a try scoring prop.wonder if bok coaching staff had a look at footage of him playing there?could be well worth a call-up and look at considering the importance of th.

  • Comment 111, posted at 09.11.13 02:18:23 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : Put me in rehab then…JP is pure class and should be starting NO DOUBTS. (should never have left)

    But to ignore the effect Le Roux had on the Boks attack this year is simply foolish. He offers what no classical wing/fullback in SA can. Creativity..ie. creates for himself and for others. JP, Habs and co cant create for others, they are finishers…and if no one is creating for them then what do you get?? a 65% win record for SA rugby and a 1 in 4 win ratio against the ABs(or something like that)

    That is why I would start him at 15 and let him develop and start Lambie at 10 any day!!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 09.11.13 14:52:29 by pienaar111 Reply

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